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Mon May 05, 2008 at 06:18:12 AM PDT

What's been on my mind lately? Summer camp. What do I do with my son when school lets out?

His Spanish school offers its own summer program, but I want him to feel like he is getting a break from school. So far, I have signed him up for a two-week-long zoo camp and and a week-long science camp.

We will be in Austin for the Netroots Nation Convention in July and  I will attempt to head to New Hampshire for a couple weeks to see my parents. But what do we do the rest of the time especially since we work?

What are your plans? What do you do with your children the long summer months?

My rant for the day: It's so annoying that these camps are half days, only a week long and cost $300. What's up with that?!

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Tags: open thread, summer vacation, summer camps, zoo camp, science camp (all tags)

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  • On a more sad and serious note... (0 / 0)

    my heart goes out to the people of Burma, who this past weekend, experienced a terrible cyclone, which claimed the lives of at least 3,000 people.

  • summer camps (0 / 0)

    Where do you live? How old is he?  In Silicon Valley, there are tons and tons of options and many offer full day camps.  My son will be in two full day camps which are called the traditional camps--outdoor, sports, swimming, games, some indoor science and art and crafts...just about having fun.  I have signed him up for one week each.  Another week of science camp that is full day as well.  The rest are half days--two weeks of music camp at a local symphony and one week of lego camp.  The cost starts from $325 for two weeks of half day music camp (good deal!) to one week of full day camp for almost $600!!

    Even with this schedule, there are still weeks that he is not scheduled for anything and those will be his free, unscheduled time to hang out.  I have the luxury of my mom helping him:-)  Good luck in finding the right summer camps for your son.

  • I'm looking at sleep away camps (0 / 0)

    for my older two.  I went to camp as a kid and loved it so I'm hoping to give them that experience.   There are things they want to try as well - my daughter thinks she wants to go to gymnastics day camp.   That and trips to my parents' cottage should fill the summer.  

    I childproofed my house but they got back in somehow.

    by lonestar canuck on Mon May 05, 2008 at 06:55:47 AM PDT

    • How do you research those? (0 / 0)

      I never went to sleepaway camp as a kid, so there's no family tradition around any particular camp. Her friend goes to a sleepaway camp, but it's religion-based and we're not into that. Are there Web sites that review camps or other resources you're using to research camps?

      • There are two fairly close by (0 / 0)

        that are run by the YMCA.  I went to Y camps as a kid and they were great.  (as with all things, it depends on the camp and the staff) One is about an hour away and the other is in the Adirondacks - more like 4-5 hours away.  

        Mostly I've talked to other moms who've sent their kids off and they all seem pretty happy.  

        I'm sure there is a camp site (heh!) that would have reviews of camps in your area.   Another idea is to pick a camp for their interest - hockey, gymnastics, horseback riding...that kind of thing.  

        I childproofed my house but they got back in somehow.

        by lonestar canuck on Mon May 05, 2008 at 08:35:13 AM PDT

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      • I would look into Girl Scout camps (0 / 0)

        though there are also many good privately operated camps. This time of year is when they're advertising - pick up your local Parents-type magazine guide and you'll probably see many listed.

  • Wow (0 / 0)

    and I was complaining about $165 for Camp Invention and that's from 9-3 for a week!  Grant's doing Camp Invention in late June, and Madeline will do playcamp at her preschool for 2 weeks/3x a week for $125.  I am probably going to sign Madeline up for princess/ballet camp for a week.  It's an hour and a half, 5 days for $45.  

    Grant's in baseball, and that'll take up a huge part of our summer.  We'll join the local pool... a great deal at $115 for the whole family for the summer.  We go to the zoo a lot, and this year a new waterpark is opening up next to the zoo called Zoombezi Bay.  We are batting around the idea of a membership there too, as I think we'd end up going quite a bit.  

  • Liza gets out June 18th (0 / 0)

    thanks to our snowy winter of 122 inches of snow.  She will start day camp at her school on June 23rd and do that for four weeks (it's 95 a week so you can't beat it and all her friends go) then she'll do four weeks of acting camp which is $550 for the whole shootin match.  Then I'll take two weeks off the end of August-- we'll go to the cape for fourdays with Kelly and then I'll be home that wacky first week of school with all the half days that make me crazy...!

  • I'm excited (0 / 0)

    about summer.  We're going to Schaumburg to see my cousin get married, and after that my dad is as excited as a kid about showing Simone Chicago.  After that, Austin.  In August, we have a beach cabin in Oregon for a week and we're going to pop over to the Redwoods, so I'm even more excited about that.

    This past weekend we got a swing set that's bringing hours of fun, and I found a breed of four leaf clovers in our backyard.

    • Schaumburg (0 / 0)

      is right next to where I grew up... Hanover Park.  That's where we lived until we moved to Florida when I was in 9th grade.  

      We visited Chicago 2 summers ago and had a blast going to the museums and a Cubs game at Wrigley.  It brought back a lot of memories.  Have fun!

      • Schaumburg connection... (0 / 0)

        here, too. Markos graduated from Schaumburg high school! We have gone back to visit as well as go to see the Cubbies in Wrigley. What a small world.

        • LOL (0 / 0)

          I went one year to Conant HS, back in '80-'81 before we moved to FL.  One of the coolest places in the area, was an Italian beef/Chicago style hot dog place called Tri Village on the corner of Barrington and Irving Park.  It was one of those old diner-type places with bar stools.  I think everything was 60's aqua.  It was still there in the early 90's when I went back for a visit, but they eventually tore it down and put a Walgreen's there.  You'll have to ask him if he remembers that if he was living there during that time.  Small world!  

        • That's crazy! (0 / 0)

          I bet my cousins went there.  But the oldest is only two years older then me, so he probably wouldn't have known Markos.

      • They grew up there (0 / 0)

        my cousins (my dad is from Chicago proper), but my cousin is actually getting married in Streamwood.  Do you know it?

        • I do! (0 / 0)

          Streamwood's really close to Hanover Park... just to the north.

          My father was born and raised in Oak Park.  I have family in LaGrange, Berwyn, and Oak Brook.  

          All this talk about the windy city has me craving a trip out there this summer!

          • I can't say (0 / 0)

            that I enjoy Illinois summers, but I'm super excited to show my kids fireflies.  We don't have them here.  

            We were in Schaumburg a year ago today to see my grandma one more time, but firefly season hadn't come yet.

            • We have them here too (0 / 0)

              but I was disappointed to find out they didn't have them in Florida when we moved there.  I remember going up to Atlanta for one of my brother's soccer tournaments in high school and seeing them there.  

              We have them big time in Ohio.  I love them too.  Out where I live in the country, you can see them dancing about on the cornfields.  Very pretty.

    • Chicago is so fun with kids (0 / 0)

      We live in Chicago, near Wrigley.  Sounds like your Dad has lots of plans but let me know if you need kid-friendly tips for restaurants or activities!

      --R

  • We're not hugely into camps (0 / 0)

    in our family. Our kids go to camp with our church group [sleep away camp for kids who have completed 3rd grade] and they love it, and we love it.

    But, both DH and I grew up in a household with at least one parent who was a school teacher. We grew up doing nothing all summer, basically. So, for us, summer is about hanging out, sleeping late, riding bikes and going to the pool -- doing a whole lot of nothing. DD will continue her weekly hip hop class, and DS will do tennis for an hour three mornings a week [getting back into it since he had the broken leg all spring]. But otherwise, we are super lazy.

    But, I think we are a family that really enjoys down time. YMMV.

    • Hey I'd love to spend my summer that way (0 / 0)

      but that pesky job I have to go to every day to pay the mortgage intervenes :-)  
      I have to use my vacation time to cover the weeks when there's no school AND no camp options so for us a lazy week in the middle of July ain't gonna happen b/c she CAN be in camp then...that's why Id on't take time off until late august when camps are done and school hasn't started yet.

      I had one person say to me "oh you're so on the GO during the summer, we like to sleep in" um... yeah. I'm on the GO b/c I have to go to WORK!  LOL

      • I remember (0 / 0)

        my last year of law school, our winter vacation was about 10 days shorter than undergrad's was. We were all complaining and one professor said, "you will never have as much vacation time once you start working as you have while you are in school."

        Maybe I should look into teaching...that is the schedule that appeals to me. Not sure that's a good enough reason to teach, though.  Once I start looking for a job in the fall, those lazy summers will be over.

        • I think what bugged me (0 / 0)

          was the smug way she would say it "ohh goodness not us  oh we like to just go where the wind blows us....but you're so go go go !"

          uh huh.  you wanna pay my mortgage toots I'll happily "go where the wind blows me" but until then the winds blowin' me to work and the kid to camp.... LOL

  • Yes, isn't the half day annoying? (0 / 0)

    As a working mom these things annoyed me to no end! Both Nick and Alex ended up in the summer at the Boys &  Girls Club since that at least gave them a change of scenery and different kids, plus there were weekly field trips and movie and pool outings. I would sign them up for a themed camp maybe twice in the summer when I could more easily arrange to leave early to get them. At least Alex goes to Sweden for 6 weeks - that's a huge relief to only have to cover the month of August.

  • Ah, summer camp (0 / 0)

    My rant for the day: It's so annoying that these camps are half days, only a week long and cost $300. What's up with that?!

    1. You live in Berkeley
    1. He's at the bottom age for summer camp.

    Next year, and the year after, you'll have more options for longer days and more affordability.

    I just found out that DD's favorite summer camp is going to be the week of Netroots Nation. Sigh. It's a great camp, very close, and very affordable.

    She's old enough for sleepaway camp, but now I have to find her a buddy. I don't think she's ready to go for multiple days knowing no one.

    • I hereby award yee todays Cranky Yankee (0 / 0)

      award for point #1 -  hee. I love it.

      I agree on your points too - and also to Elisa I wouldn't rule out the camp at the school - this will be Liza's fourth summer at the daycamp run out of her school and she loves it -- her friends are there, she knows everyone and it's given her a much closer relationship to many of her teachers - for $90 a week plus another $10-$15 for field trips each week you can't beat it -- they go to the beach and mini golf, movies, bowling, nature centers, they do special days like "camp idol' and "camp olympics" -- it's not like 'school' at all.  

      • Indeed (0 / 0)

        I would think that that could be quite nice, very relaxed, to be with people you know in a familiar space, but doing FUN stuff instead of schoolwork stuff. Even academics - when I took chemistry in summer school, it was so much more fun than trying to do it in a regular class. We had 3 hours in the morning and then went home.

        Also, if it's a day camp, I'm strongly in favor of camps that run for several weeks. It is very hard on both me and her to have a summer where every week has a different schedule.

  • Mama #3 (0 / 0)

    Liza announced last night that when Kelly moves in (we think maybe next year?) she is going to call Kelly Mama #3 -- her reasoning being she has a mom (#1) a step mom(#2) already - and then she said "but Kelly to make it shorter when we're in public I"m just going to call you "three""  

    you know the kid DOES bring the funny.

  • Everything for summer is pricey around here (0 / 0)

    I would love to enroll my kids in a class but they're too darned expensive.

    An art class I would like my son to take is $410 for 3 hours per day, 5 days a week, 6 weeks total.  The problem is, it's in a different city and with gas at nearly $4/gal I estimate it would cost $160 in gas...so that's $570 for 6 weeks for only one kid.

    Summer school through the district costs $204 for 2 hours per day, 5 days a week, 4 weeks total.  That's right by our house (no gas) but it only fills up 2 hours each day!  It has an 8am start time (ugh) and the class for my DD is already sold out.  Oh, well.  I didn't have an "extra" $408 anyway.

    For my son, I may pay a small fee to let him do Taekwondo 3 days per week instead of 2 days per week which is what he's doing now.  Plus, my daughter may want to try it, that's yet to be determined.  

    Summer is going to be LONG.  I'm kind of dreading it, actually.

    I know one thing I'm not going to be doing and that's petting any neighborhood cats.  The cat that bit me on April 25 caused me to need 10 days of antibiotics.  The punctures looked infected for a couple of days until the medicine really kicked in.  Chatting with a dozen or so neighbors revealed that the "friendly" cat had a reputation for biting and I was the last to know.  He had never shown me or my kids anything but sweetness. My advice would be...don't pet cats unless you know they don't have a history of aggression!

    I'm still very thankful it was me he bit and not a child.  My arm will heal - although I clearly have a scar from one of the punctures- but I still worry a child will have their eye scratched by that monster.  

  • So worth it (0 / 0)

    I always enrolled Zach in day-time summer camps, and they were well worth it (especially when he was in grade school). He attended ones at the YMCA in whichever town we were living in at the time since kindergarten, and learned a lot ... like swimming, lots of funny songs and we still joke about the "ghetto bus" that one YMCA had for field trips (which was missing a footrest on one of the pedals, and once had to stop on a rural road when its great-big-long muffler fell off. They abandoned it and keep driving!!!!).

    He also did sleepaway camp once, for a week, but didn't especially like that.

    Some camps are expensive, but I always thought they were better than parking him in front of a TV at a sitter's house all summer.

  • summer, hey? (0 / 0)

    Hmph. We're locking  down for winter - or what passes for it in Melbourne. I made my mom laugh when talking about the winter flowers I'm planting.

    We're finishing the cycle of colds here; DH is officially sick and, ye gods, he's taking a sick day today. God help me, I hate it when he's home and underfoot. Jess? No worries. DH? OMFG. If he's not demanding hot drinks and cosseting, he's taking the computer when I need to work, demanding various chores of me that I'd have no intention of providing were he not home, and generally getting in my way. I think I might just leave the damn house after I get the weekly clean out of the way.

  • camps (0 / 0)

    I totally agree Elisa, they are way over-priced! In Seattle it's a little less than Berkeley - generally $200 for a week of half-day camp. I couldn't stomach it. Luckily I found a reasonably priced program that runs half-day sports camps for kids in the local parks. They even offered a season pass for the cost of a couple weeks of pricey camp and he can go as many weeks as he wants. Yay! I signed him up for a bunch of weeks thinking he can decide to skip some days if he doesn't feel like going or the nanny decides to take him and DS#2 on a special adventure.

  • The awesome power of Disney. (0 / 0)

    So, I bought the Disney Princess panties.

    I told DD she could only wear them if she went all day without an accident.

    We are on DAY TWO of no accidents.  Today she wore Princess Jasmine panties to school.  And lasted the whole day.  Even did poopy on the potty.

    Disney's power is just godd*mn scary.

    • hey, it gotcha there! (0 / 0)

      It was just an assist to the parenting process. Don't worry about it and congratulations on DD's progress!

    • I remember when #2 was training (0 / 0)

      and he had Bob the Builder underpants on - I must have said "don't pee on Bob" a million times.

      Congrats on two dry days!  

      I childproofed my house but they got back in somehow.

      by lonestar canuck on Mon May 05, 2008 at 06:35:41 PM PDT

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    • Happy Choo-Choo's (0 / 0)

      Congrats on your success with potty training! When my son was going through it, I bought him Thomas the Tank Engine undies. He didn't know about the brand because we had carefully kept him away from it. But he still gravitated to the underpants and I wanted him to want to wear them so we renamed them "Happy Choo-Choo's." He loved them. Hey, whatever works.

      • Parenting: By Any Means Necessary :-D n/t (0 / 0)

      • Thomas (0 / 0)

        When our son was 2 we had him in the big thick Gerber trainers and he was doing well with #1 but not #2.  So I took him to the store and let him pick out a package of Thomas underpants "for when you poop in the potty".  He wanted them badly, but everybody knows they're only for big kids.  So I let him open the package and admire them, then casually left them lying on the bathroom floor to torment him.  He held everything in for 2.5 days to the point where I was worried about constipation, then earned his reward.  He immediately went right over and put on all 3 pairs, one over another, with great satisfaction.

        • That's so cute! (0 / 0)

          I'll have to remember this for when potty-training days arrive in our house - shouldn't be too long anymore, with DD1 approaching her second birthday... I dread the process....

          • No no no no! (0 / 0)

            don't push it, Swissclogs!  Save yourself!  DD is 3, and the daycare insisted on starting this ridiculous process when she was 2.8 years, around the new year.  I have been living in a hell of incredibly stinky laundry and pee and poop since then.  Her pediatrician just shook her head at the check up and said 3.5 is really the time, anything before that you're just training yourself to the child's schedule.  And you run the risk of traumatizing the child about the bathroom.  So maybe that's all that I've accomplished here.  But I don't have any laundry from the last two days, so hooray!  I didn't really think DD was ready in January, but I followed daycare's lead.  Once we were in the process, I didn't think it was a good idea to stop and then restart it.  I've learned my lesson.  DS-to-be will NOT start until he is ready, day care be damned.

            Ya got time, embrace it.

            • Ah, good advice - thanks! (0 / 0)

              DD's daycare tends to be very helpful when it comes to transitions (like formula to normal milk, etc), so I have good hopes that potty-training will also be a fairly joint effort. They tend not to push.

              I will certainly take your advice and won't push DD until she is ready, unless I absolutely have to (which is when she goed to kindergarten at 4.

              Hooray for no stinky laundry for you! And wow - you're online at MT at 6.40 AM?!

              • definitely don't push it (0 / 0)

                especially with DD #2!

                I also found Jess's creche to be wonderful in the assist to potty training; firstly, it was easy for Jess to see her little friends using the potties as the facilities are all kid-height (I love the little toilets that don't go any higher than my calves. So funny!). Plus, they're happy to encourage the transition. I found they were really helpful in the joint effort.

              • Eating breakfast. (0 / 0)

                I try to eat a slow breakfast to keep my stomach calm.  So I eat and surf, and then go to do battle with the child to get her up at 7am.

            • emphatically disagree (0 / 0)

              I've heard there is a window of opportunity roughly between 2 and 2.5 for potty training, but if you wait until they've fully entered the "terrible twos" you are more likely to have a struggle and may need to wait for that period to be over.  For my older son the "terrible twos" were between 2.75 and 3.5.

              We didn't push potty training, but by age 2 we started sitting them on the adult toilet as part of the diaper and bath routines.  No big deal.  For actual training we waited until they were interested and ready (long periods of dryness between diaper changes, telling me when a change was needed).  Both boys were trained and in underpants (daytimes) by age 2.5.  And we had none of the battles late training parents report.  Trauma?  There were no power struggles involved at all.  No bribes, sticker charts, or rewards (except the underpants); we kept it very low key.

              Were they easier to train because we started early?  Or did they train earlier because they were easy kids?  There's no way to know.  (Though my younger son is NOT an easy kid!)  In general the parents I know who trained early had an easier time, and the ones who waited until their child was old enough to resist had the battles.  Perhaps not all kids are physically ready at this point, but if you have a chance at the easy way out, I'd recommend grabbing it.

              • one more thing (0 / 0)

                My elder son is a type A control freak, and almost never had accidents even as a toddler.  My younger son did have them now and again for the first month or two, then stopped.  Then around age 3 started peeing in his pants daily for 2-3 weeks.  This was no accident.  This was the terrible twos in full force.  I had to find the emotional issue and resolve it to get him to stop.  He continued to have accidents once a month or so just because he'd be busy and wait too long, but never again did he pee out of defiance.

              • We tried started (0 / 0)

                at two and half with our twins (our oldest).  At least a year of pure living hell.  We did wait until at least three with the rest of them and let them do it when they were ready.  I can't even call it "potty training".  We had little, if any struggle.  I handed them underwear and we talked about it being time to using the potty.

              • Thanks, lyn. (0 / 0)

                I wholeheartedly agree. Based upon my first child experience, and watching the various techniques of my friends, I think there's a window between 18 months and 2 and a bit (depending on the kid). If you miss it, you're better off waiting until the 3.5 window. You know the window is there when they start telling you about their pee, wanting to sit on the toilet, etc. I missed the early window (18 months) with my daughter because we were traveling in Sweden. No way was I potty training in a strange country with five layers of clothing on! She had another window around 2.3. Success that time. My son has refused to wear nappies since he was 18 months old. He has about a 75% success rate. But on the days when he isn't successful, my head nearly explodes. Nothing like a kid that won't wear nappies and is pooing in his undies. Four times. sigh... I would never push the toilet training. It has to be their idea, or it won't work. But I'm not going to make a kid that is really trying wear nappies either.

                Anyway...to each his own. This was definitely true for my kids. But I've got friends who waited longer and liked their decision too.

                • Ah, that's useful! (0 / 0)

                  You know the window is there when they start telling you about their pee, wanting to sit on the toilet, etc.

                  That's very good to know. Seems like the window isn't here yet for DD, but I will have my ears open for clues.

              • Thanks (0 / 0)

                for the alternate point of view. Can't say I have my mind mind made up, but it very good to get different perspectives. Guess I'll be asking around some; and check with daycare as DD1 is moving up to an older age group in a few weeks.

        • Okay. (0 / 0)

          I'm totally going to the shops tomorrow and getting big boy undies. Our situation is just as you describe, and I'm over it. I'll try anything.

  • $300 for a week of half days! (0 / 0)

    Wow, that is a lot.  We live in WDC and even the camp at the swanky school near our house is a less than $400 for seven hours/day, lunch included.  My kids attend a camp in Georgetown run by a fabulous woman with a great staff -- the half day cost is half of Ari's camp fee.  While I loved the three-month summer concept as a kid, it really presents a child care challenge for families.  

  • Dolls (0 / 0)

    Hey...My daughter wants a doll for her birthday. I don't do dolls. Never have. So I need help. She's four and wants a "baby" doll. So far I'm thinking the American Girl "Bitty Baby" (pardon while I vomit quietly) or one of the Corolle dolls. I like the American Girl one because we could get a different outfit for presents on birthdays, Christmas, etc. And you can get lots of accessories (hey, if I have to play with this thing too, it needs stuff. Otherwise I won't know what to do).

    Anybody have a favorite, good quality doll that they can recommend? Or an opinion on the two above (besides the obvious "they're bleeding expensive")?

    • I've heard good things about (0 / 0)

      Bitty Baby. I know, lousy name. Thus far, Jess's baby dolls have come courtesy of MIL, so I haven't had to do any purchasing.

    • Liza and her peeps were hugely into (0 / 0)

      baby bjorn for a while - wefound a discounted one somewhere so we didn't have to remortgage the house to get it for her.

    • We have (0 / 0)

      Bitty Baby and you are right.... there are tons of outfits and accessories.  Once you get the doll, which BTW is a lot prettier than a lot of baby dolls out there, you can sometimes find the other stuff on sale.  Ebay sometimes has outfits cheaper too, like the ones they've discontinued.

      BTW, we recently had a total body replacement on Madeline's Bitty Baby (Gabrielle).  My mom's dog got a hold of it and tore up the feet pretty bad.  Get this... there's an American Girl Doll Hospital.  You send in your doll with prepaid operation fees and in a couple of weeks you get your doll back in a hospital gown...all better!  :)

    • My DD has a Corolle (0 / 0)

      It is a Caitlin/Calin 12" doll.  She's soooo pretty.  My DD is not so into the outfits so she's fine with only having a couple of sleepers.

      I've never seen a Bitty Baby in person, but she's very pretty and measures 15 inches.  I think bigger would be better.  The prices for the dolls are comparable ($30 vs. $42) but it's the accessories that get ya'!  

    • Thanks everyone! (0 / 0)

      At least I've got some real people data now. Thanks for your input! I tried to order one last night, but the site doesn't take international credit cards. Sometimes I hate living around the world...

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