Mother Talkers

Spying To Get Into College

Mon May 05, 2008 at 09:05:25 AM PDT

Cross-posted at Fussbucket

New software programs enable parents to learn of everything from their child's daily class attendance and homework completion to test scores and overall grades throughout the semester,  according to this article in the NY Times.

Boy am I glad I'm not a kid anymore. What a nightmare. Sorry if you're one of those parents who likes to use these programs, but this seems like an invasion of privacy to me.

The article profiles Nicole Dobbins, a mother of three from  Alpharetta, Ga. who regularly logs on to ParentConnect, and reads updated reports on her children. By the time she sees them after school she already knows what happened because she's been spying on them all day.

When her ninth grader gets home at 6 p.m., there may well be ParentConnect printouts on his bedroom desk with poor grades highlighted in yellow by his mother. She will expect an explanation. He will be braced for a punishment. “He knows I’m going to look at ParentConnect every day and we will address it,” Mrs. Dobbins said.

Apparently there are a bunch of these tracking programs out there with names like Edline, ParentConnect, Pinnacle Internet Viewer and PowerSchool. They are being used by thousands of schools, kindergarten through 12th grade, the article says.

Kindergarten? Huh?

  • ::

But schools do seem to like them. More and more are using them to help teachers communicate with busy parents. Studies have shown that parental involvement can have a positive effect on a child’s academic performance and educators praise the programs’ capacity to engage parents, the article says.

But there has to be a downside.

At an age when teenagers increasingly want to manage their own lives, many parents use these programs to tighten the grip. College admission is so devastatingly competitive, parents say, they feel compelled to check online grades frequently. Parents hope to transform even modest dips before a child’s record is irrevocably scarred. “I tell my son, ‘What you do as a freshman will matter to you as a senior,’ ” Mrs. Dobbins said. “ ‘It will haunt you or applaud you.’ ”

This is fear-based parenting. Is that what we want? To be so terrified of college admissions that we harangue and spy on our kids for four years in a desperate attempt to keep them from fucking up? I don't want to do this.

Kathleen DeBuys, a mother of four in Roswell, Ga., used to check her e-mail first thing in the morning: the ParentConnect alerts would fly in by 6 a.m. The subject line might read, “Claire has received a failing grade. ...”

“And I’d freak out,” said Mrs. DeBuys, speaking of her oldest child, then a high school freshman. “I’d be waking her up, shouting: ‘Claire! What did you fail? What is wrong with you?’ She’d pull the pillow over her head and say, ‘Leave me alone!’ ”

Claire was in the gifted-and-talented program at her school and usually the notices were mistakes due to her missing class either because she had been sick or because she was off being gifted and talented along with the other Harvard-bound kids in her class.

So where's the trust? The kid is in the g&t program? Why doesn't it occur to the mom to ask her daughter about it instead of flying around the house like a lunatic at six o'clock in the morning?  “It was horrible,” Mrs. DeBuys admits.

Part of the problem is that these kinds of programs are addictive. You want to know whether your surly sixteen year old handed in his English paper? You don't have to try to pull it out of his reluctant mouth, you can just check your email and find out.

I kind of think that parents use the excuse of competitive college admissions to keep tabs on their kids because it sucks that teenagers shut us out. But isn't that just the way it goes? Aren't teenagers supposed to separate? What do you think of these programs?

Tags: ParentConnet, parents and teens, teens and college admissions (all tags)

Permalink | 29 comments

  • My daughter's school (0 / 0)

    has a similar program.  We get weekly updates through email or through logging onto a website.  She's in 7th grade.  I think it helps her more than it helps us.  She can keep track of her grades and its like a "heads up" if an assignment is missing or she didn't receive proper credit for it.

    I think you're right on the money, though, in your statement about parents wanting to keep tabs on and control their teenagers.  By high school, I certainly want my kids to take charge.  In fact, my oldest two spent one year in a high school in which is was expected that parents would do so and we all hated it.  Sorry, most of us just don't have the time, energy or inclination to make a full time job out of acting as our children's "education agent".

  • C'mon, that's not Spying (0 / 0)

    Jeez, what's wrong with parents using online resources to access their child's daily class attendance, homework completion, test scores and grades?  It's our job to stay on top of our kids’ educational progress. Spying would be obsessively viewing online cams of our kids and teachers in their classroom.  These tools aren’t for spying, they’re for quickly and efficiently communicating our kids status.  

    Would you rather teachers to spend their valuable time handholding parents through progress reports on our kids?  I’d much rather the basic details were automated so teachers can focus on working with parents to resolve the problems they show, or enhancing the promise they indicate.  It’s time for parents to step up to the plate and take responsibility for tracking their kids progress.  These resources give us the tools we need.  

    Oregon Mom

    • taking responsibility (0 / 0)

      I could see the value in knowing test and quiz scores throughout the semester, but honestly I think that it's up to kids to be in class everyday and to get their homework done. Not that parents shouldn't ask and offer help, but at some point kids need to take responsibility for themselves. If they know that they need to be in class and turn in all the homework to pass the class or get a good grade, then they should practice being accountable to their own goals. I think we have to let them make their own mistakes (or rise to the occasion) sometimes so they can learn what it means to be a responsible adult.

      • I agree to a point (0 / 0)

        That's cool if it was the commonly held view that kids need to take responsibility for their own actions, but quite often it's the teachers who take most of the blame for poor-performing students. I really don't hear NCLB taking students to task if they don't achieve standards. I don't believe that parenting supervision should end when kids are 14 or 15, with the rare exception. Teachers have enough on their plates, and if there's a tool out there to help them ease their workload and make it easier to communicate with parents, I'm for it.  How the parents use is their prerogative, as with all parenting strategies.

        • agree (0 / 0)

          How the parents use is their prerogative, as with all parenting strategies.

          The examples of parents in the article portrayed people looking over their kids' shoulder all day. I'd be interested to hear how parents use these programs productively and respectfully.

          I don't think that parental supervision should end when kids are 14 or 15. Things like internet use, social relationships, after school activities and academic progress all need a hands-on approach. I guess I'd like to find a balance between trust and letting them have some private personal experience and doing my job to keep them safe and relatively on track for a successful life.

          • Our school uses Edline (0 / 0)

            It's not bad really.  My DD (11yo 5th gd)uses it more than I do.  Most of the time I don't check it, even when they send an email announcing an update.  Usually she asks if I checked it because she is looking for the grade on an assignment.  
            She has missed a lot of school this year, and it's helped her keep track of what needs to be turned in.  She also caught a mistake, the teacher entered in a 59 instead of a 95.  The website also provides links the teachers think may be helpful for different subjects.  Her school has always used this program, so to her, it's nothing new.
            OTH, I can totally see how this could be bad for the helicopter parents out there.  While I rarely check, I know parents who CALL THE TEACHER if something isn't posted in a timely manner.  I have to be honest, I just don't care about my DD's grades that much.  Bad mommy, bad, bad, mommy.  
            Seriously, my emphasis has always been on putting forth your best effort.  My DD does really well in school, and she has hopes to go to a really good high school.  If she gets in, great for her (bad for our wallet), if she doesn't, it won't make or break me.

            I think that might be what it comes down to.  People living vicariously through their children.  They see their child's every move as a direct reflection on who they are, not just as a parent, but as a person.  Seriously, we all know someone who is a wonderful person, did everything humanly possible for their children, had 3 or more kids turn out to be every parent's dream, but that 4th (or whatever) turns out to be an addict, murder, drop-out, that lands in jail or meets an untimely end.  Most people who don't know the family would blame the parents.

            Wow, that was long!

      • ITA (0 / 0)

        If they know that they need to be in class and turn in all the homework to pass the class or get a good grade, then they should practice being accountable to their own goals. I think we have to let them make their own mistakes (or rise to the occasion) sometimes so they can learn what it means to be a responsible adult.

        Couldn't have said it better.

    • When I was in hihgh school (0 / 0)

      (just over 6 years ago), we had quarterly progress reports.  Even if yo were failing at the quarter, you had enough time to get your grades up but the time semester grades happened.

      Parents got the quarterly reports, and if the kid was in trouble academically, they would send home weekly reports.  But only if the kid was at risk of failing.

      This makes sense to me.

      On the other hand, if you were so much as tardy one period, you'd end up getting an automated phone cal home.  "This is XXX High school.  Your student was marked absent for one or more periods today."  When you got home, you'd have to justify your nurses' office trip.

  • The middle school (0 / 0)

    our kids will attend next year has an online program where you [or your child] can check grades. I guess to me this is not spying, anymore than when the elementary school sends home graded work. This is just the way they have chosen to share academic info with the parents.

    Now, as for the parents freaking out and waking their kid at 6 a.m. -- that's a whole other issue, to me.

    • seems reasonable (0 / 0)

      checking grades seems fair to me.

    • It's all in how you use it (0 / 0)

      I used to tell my parents what my grades were on major tests.  I don't see this as any different really.  They could choose to yell and harangue me if I got a poor grade, or they could choose to be supportive.  It seems to me the same with this software.  Students and parents have one more way to keep track of the student's progress.  Whether parents freak out as a result isn't a necessary byproduct of the software.  I figure with a parent like that, she'd be freaking out if she saw the grade on paper, as well.

  • Wish we had a program like this. (0 / 0)

    My 6th grader completely zoned the 1st quarter - too overwhelming.  We got a 5-week interim report that showed he had turned in almost NO homework.  All of it was folded in tiny squares on the bottom of his locker.  After trying this, that, and the other, I am now one of the parents who gets an end-of-week report, by e-mail, from the guidance office, re homework, in-class assignments, and current average.  Grades 7-12 have what is called the "ineligible list" - if you're failing, no sports.  This weekly e-mail is just our version of the same thing - missing homework? 62 in math? no extra curricular activities unless/until the deficiencies are cleared on next week's report. Simple rule, simple consequences, and only a weekly report. (No obsessions here!)

  • OMG (0 / 0)

    I would have totally hated this as a teenager. I spent a large amount of time butting heads with my mother over control, oversight and other issues. It totally devolved into the stalemate of me saying "Trust me, I'm doing well and everything's fine" and her saying "If everything's fine you shouldn't have a problem with me seeing what you're doing." If she could have done an end-run around with this programme, egads. I'm specifically thinking of AP Bio, where I really struggled (my only C class, ever!). I would routinely get 60s and stuff on tests, and I can only imagine what would have happened.

    FWIW, my folks did raise my sister and I to be take charge, take responsibility people, so I don't know how they would have used this. But sometimes I appreciated not being forced to tell my folks about a bad test grade, knowing I would make it up on averages with a good report or whatever!

    • I would have hated it too (0 / 0)

      I also butted heads with my mother in high school and I'm quite sure this would not have helped, although I didn't really have any academic issues during that time. I stuck with the things I was good at- AP English for me, no AP Bio thank you very much. But I still was protective of my space and wouldn't have wanted to hear about every blip along the way during the school year.

      To her credit, my mom also wanted to raise my siblings and me to be independent and I kind of doubt she would have done too much with this kind of thing anyway.

  • hmmmm (0 / 0)

    I think it's one of those things where it kind of depends on the child, and the relationship between parent and child.  My DS rarely shows me his schoolwork.  It concerns me, but he's old enough that I don't want to pry.  The system at his school has worked for me: If the student doesn't turn in homework on time at any point during the week, they are forbidden from going "across the street" to the strip mall the following Tues.  Those who complete everything on time get to have lunch there.  Parents get an email from the lead teacher if the student will not be allowed to go across.  So that has initiated some convos in our home.

    The system doesn't address the question of grades.  In our case, there are two teachers who will call or email me if they are concerned.  They'll ask if there's anything going on to explain a low score.  That gives me a chance to let them know of extenuating circumstances, if I haven't already, and also gives me some data to use in my conversations with DS.  It is a surprisingly effective incentive -- the kids love to go across.

    I don't know if his high school is using the system highlighted in the article.  If not, I will make a point of asking his teachers to touch base with me via email every other week or so.  Unless he is more forthcoming, which is pretty much up to him.  I don't consider it spying because he has the option of keeping me in the loop.  I use the info  as a way to encourage and guide him.  We don't holler about grades around here.

  • To this day, my parents (0 / 0)

    don't know that I failed Algebra and English first quarter of 10th grade (25+ years ago).  Not sure how I managed to keep it from them, but I did.  Made the credits up in night school w/ some story about taking an SAT prep class...

    Our district uses something like this.  Not sure if my kid's school does or not, because so far (2nd and 4th grades) I'm able to keep track of what's going on and they don't yet have a need to deceive me when I ask how they did on a test or how if they turned in their homework.  Wish I'd had something like this when my oldest was in high school.  He was the master of deceit and apparently of skipping class too.

    I can't say I agree with the way in which the parents profiled in the article use the tool, but I can certainly the value of having it.

    • wow (0 / 0)

      To this day my parents don't know that I failed Algebra and English first quarter of 10th grade (25+ years ago).  Not sure how I managed to keep it from them, but I did.  Made the credits up in night school w/ some story about taking an SAT prep class...

      That's amazing that you were able to keep that from them. And I gotta believe you learned something from that - resourcefulness? it sucks to fail classes???

  • You've got to be kidding! (0 / 0)

    How will these parents cope when their kids go off to college? If there isn't trust there before they go you can be sure it doesn't grow after. It is almost impossible to get info on your college kids without their permission. I know because my 2nd one is graduating Friday. There was an issue at school that she wanted me to help with & they refused (nicely) to talk to me til she signed permission to ok it.

    My daughter was in Gifted too & she was harder on herself than I ever would have been. Both my kids knew they were able to talk to me about anything- good or bad. We didn't pay for good grades & we worked to overcome bad ones.

    It's ok if the tool is used to keep track of missing work but I would start off viewing it with your child. Let them see that you are simply monitoring their progress- not checking up on them. They need to learn to police themselves because the parents don't go to college with them.

    My kids' colleges had a site online where they could check grades, fees paid,etc. This helped them head off potential problems. I had no access to this site even though I paid the bills. It wasn't an issue because my kids called to rave about good grades or complain about poor ones. I joked that when she graduates I should walk across the stage too because I have proofed so many papers & it seemed like I was getting the degree too. But she chose to keep me informed & I earned it by giving her support but not propping her up.

  • Whatever happened to just talking to your kids? (0 / 0)

    I know this is a radical idea, but sitting with my daughter for at least a few minutes every day is how I keep track of her work and her performance in school.  And, shocking as it may be to some parents, you can do this without treating it like a 3rd degree!  "how'd the french test go?" said in a sympathetic voice, gets alot more from a teenager then "so...I know you got a C!  What are you going to do about it?!!"

    I know that not every teen and parent can have this conversation, and not a day goes by that I'm not grateful for the fantastic kid I have....but I also can't help but think that if the foundation for this conversation were set at a younger age, more teens and parents would be able to talk about these things.

    Some of my DD's friends have terrible relationships with their parents, and probably couldn't have the conversation above.  But pouncing on them via an electronic report wouldn't improve that at all!

    And I know I out on the lunatic fringe, because not only do I actually talk to my daughter (and son, too, but he's still young), we actually eat dinner together, or sit together if someone is eating late, at  least 3 times a week.  Shocker! A new parenting gimmick!!

    • eating together (0 / 0)

      As I was reading your comment I was thinking about how we've just instituted a policy where we really try to eat with our kids every night. Ours are little and they need to eat early so we had gotten into the habit of me feeding them and then DH and I eating together after they were in bed. We changed course purely for the reason you cited. I hope when our kids are older we'll have as good communication with them as you do with yours.

    • no kidding!! (0 / 0)

      I should have amended my above post to include that. While I definitely would have resented my parents checking my homework, tracking me on an online program or what have you, we did all discuss what I/we (my sister) were working on at the dinner table. So while I stopped "allowing" my parents to reread/proof my work when I was in 6th grade, my parents did have a good idea of what I was up to. And I certainly always knew that if I was going through a rough time and my grades were going to reflect that, best to discuss it far in advance of quarterly reports or report cards. Surprising my parents (particularly my mother) with an unexpectly poor grade on a report card was not a winning strategy. OMG.

      And yeah, we did eat dinner together as much as possible. Certainly, my mom always sat with my sister and I when we ate on weekdays, as my dad usually didn't get home until 7.30 or 8 p.m., typically (commute from NYC to NJ).

  • this is sick.. (0 / 0)

    it has everything to do with the parents needs to have their kids get in to the "right" school.

    I have diaried here our journey getting my daughter in to college. What i didn't write is how focused and self directed she is. And she got into her i st and 2nd choice. She will go to Swarthmore in Sept. It wasn't so for a lot of her friends. And it had nothing to do with their grades,extra curriculars, or sat scores. It has to do with record applications..

  • late but oy! (0 / 0)

    i frankly think this is a bad trend. granted i have a kid who does well in school...but if she didn't i think there is far healthier approach.

    and by high school?! this is over parenting and certainly not teaching kids to be responsible and learn from their own missteps.  mommy and daddy managing every homework assignment and quiz accomplishes just what?

    the pressure kids are under to get good grades is out of control.  and the stress it creates in our teenagers is evidenced by some very unhealthy activities.

    parents have to learn to loosen and tighten the reins appropriately.  making kids responsible for their own work is important.  oy, i could go on...but this is bad news imo.

Permalink | 29 comments