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Campus Watch: Coed Dorm Rooms

Sun May 04, 2008 at 07:31:14 AM PDT

When it came to the opposite sex, my Cuban father was super strict, not allowing us to even receive phone calls from boys. I was disappointed to discover that the floor of my college dorm room was coed, giving my father more reason to blast my decision to live on campus rather than at home.

I am just glad coed rooms, something popping up in college campuses today, were not available when I was a student in the '90s. From the Associated Press:

At least two dozen schools, including Brown University, the University of Pennsylvania, Oberlin College, Clark University and the California Institute of Technology, allow some or all students to share a room with anyone they choose, including someone of the opposite sex. This spring, as students sign up for next year's room, more schools are following suit, including Stanford University.

As shocking as it sounds to some parents, some students and schools say it's not about sex.

Instead, they say the demand is mostly from heterosexual students who want to live with close friends who happen to be of the opposite sex. Some gay students who feel more comfortable rooming with someone of the opposite sex are also taking advantage of the option.

While schools tend to discourage romantically involved couples from rooming together, it is allowed in some college campuses.

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Couples do sometimes room together, an arrangement known at some schools as "roomcest." Brown explicitly discourages couples from living together on campus, be they gay or straight. But the University of California, Riverside has never had a problem with a roommate couple breaking up midyear, said James C. Smith, assistant director for residence life.

Most schools introduced the couples option in the past three or four years. So far, relatively few students are taking part. At the University of Pennsylvania, which began offering coed rooms in 2005, about 120 out of 10,400 students took advantage of the option this year.

At UC Riverside, which has approximately 6,000 students in campus housing, about 50 have roommates of the opposite sex. The school has had the option since 2005.

This discussion is years away in my household. But would you consider letting your child stay in a coed room?

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  • Prolly not! (0 / 0)

    I mean I hope I have enough sway with her that she'll listen to me, but college is hard enough without adding that into it. I lived with a gay roomate when I was in my 20's and that was fine... but any sitch where there is sexual tension is just an unnecessary distraction.

    First and only boyfriend I ever lived with was DH. Not that I was a prudey little Victorian or anything, I just didn't want some guy around if it was a sweatpants and Ben and Jerry's night. Also, learning to live on your own or with a roommate is a rite of passage isn't it?

  • I think I would (0 / 0)

    I lived with 4 guys (in a condo) in college, and had a great (totally non-sexual) time.  And I got to meet some fun foreign students (2 from the Czech Republic and one from Japan).

    So yeah, if they wanted to, I can't say I'd have a problem.

    • Did you have your own room? (0 / 0)

      Because the article I read about this said that they are sharing a dorm room, you know the cinderblock cell with two beds that most freshman have.

      Sharing a house/condo with your own bedroom is different to me, YMMV of course!

      • You and I have quite the dialoge going on! (0 / 0)

        :)

        I did have my own room for a while, but I also shared with a gay dude.  That was weird in its own right, but simply because he was newly "out" and so decorated his whole half of the room in half-nude men.

        :)

        Still, there's not bathroom issues or whtever in a dorm (there's floor bathrooms and showers) so I don't see the big deal.  It is just where you study and sleep, right?

        • Okay (0 / 0)

          Pictures of half nude men decorating half of my room would have made me a lot more uncomfortable than simply having a male roommate. :-) :-)

          • hee! (0 / 0)

            I am so freaking addicted to this website. I have recently moved about 6 hours from my formerly large circle of friends and that is what the discussions here remind me of! Anyhow, I guess what I am saying is that heterosexual roomates seems fraught with difficulties for me.

            I had a female roomate who let her male friend stay on our couch. He came into my room uninvited and attempted to rape me. Yeah, thet can happen anywhere, I guess, but when I told her I wasn't comfortable with him staying in the house after that, she basically told me to STFU. Her name was on the lease, I moved out.

            That is only the most extreme example of what I see as being a whole host of problems rangin from that down to unrequited crushes, having a bad mood explained away by PMS. Also, women in general tend to act differently around men then they do around other women (generally!) and I guess I just hope for young women to have a room of one's own, or barring that, a room of one's own gender!

            I am not against the policy per se, I just hope my kid chooses differently when she goes off to school. Or considering the roundabout way her father and I completed our educations, I guess I should hope she goes to school at all! :)

            • But in this case (0 / 0)

              it sounds like the same sex roommate wasn't any better.

              • No she was kind of a nightmare (0 / 0)

                We were in a "dorm-like" setting. The school had expanded so quickly they outsourced their dorm rooms to a local apartment complex, eg. we had no security, no RAs to complain to and certainly no opposite sex rules to contend with... I would have gratefully been in a dorm with a "men in the lobby only" policy after that!

  • their choice (0 / 0)

    I'd probably not allow it freshman year.  After a year on campus, though, I'd expect them to make their own decisions.  Most students don't choose this option.

  • Swarthmores' policy (0 / 0)

    If you say you are a lesbian or a gay man, you can room
    with another gay student of the opposite sex!!

    Far as I know my daughters straight..but to tell you the truth I don't care...

  • Ugh, no way (0 / 0)

    Ugh. No. Sharing one of those tiny cinderblock cells with a guy.  NO THANKS!

    It was bad enough that every other room was guys/girls/guys/girls, although it did facilitate hooking up and dating and all that, not sure if that is a good thing or not.  

  • Voluntary (0 / 0)

    Since it's voluntary, I don't have any problem with it.

    I have had male housemates, no problem.  We didn't share a room, but if two friends want to, or even a couple, why should I care?  It's not like they won't find some way to be together anyway.  At least this way they won't be annoying their roommates who have to stay outside while the tie's on the doorknob, or worse, lie there at 2 am pretending to sleep while hanky panky is going on.

    • I don't have any problem with it being a policy (0 / 0)

      I'd just have a problem with my kid doing that. Of course she won't be attending college for, oh, 13 more years, so I guess I have some time relax about it! :)

    • oh yeah (0 / 0)

      At least this way they won't be annoying their roommates who have to stay outside while the tie's on the doorknob, or worse, lie there at 2 am pretending to sleep while hanky panky is going on.

      This ranks as one of the worst things about the college roommate experience, IMO.

    • sexiled! (0 / 0)

      awful!

      One of my besty friends from college (we were roomies sophomore year and half of junior year before both doing a semester abroad) had a freshman year roommate whose boyfriend slept over practically every night. It sounded so uncomfortable for my friend - total bedsprings creaking every night. I don't know how she stood it.

      • We had small apartments (0 / 0)

        and most of the people I knew had their own rooms.  But the roommate of some girls I knew barked like a seal.  Like a seal.  I didn't believe it until I heard it.

        • that's just bizzare! (0 / 0)

          OMG, how weird.

          At BU, there were some on-campus apartments, but we're talking, like, maybe, 250 apartments for 12,000 undergraduates! Subsequent to my graduation in 1999, they completed a new dorm complex with suites - rooms off a central living area, with more single rooms as part of the deal. So when I was there, it meant that unless you went to a lot of effort to lock in a single or one of the apartments, or moved off-campus, you were certain to have a roommate until you graduated.

          My senior year, my roommate started going out with a guy in grad school. The guy had his own apartment. Where would they end up ... um ... coupling? You guessed it - our room. I'd come home in the evenings from my internships and if I didn't stop to ring the room first from the common room phone to say I'd be in in two minutes, I was 100% guaranteed to walk in on something I just didn't want to see. My roomate came from a fairly conservative Armenian family. I once asked her why they didn't go to her BF's apartment and she said that she didn't want it to be all slutty. Don't even begin to ask me how that all works.

          • Florence King (0 / 0)

            has a great riff on that in one of her books. She went to college in the early sixities in the American South, and she talks about how girls would count as penance the bug bites and uncomfortableness of a tryst in the woods or backseat of the car against the pleasure of sex and then come out virgins! It was like a zero sum hymen. If they did it in a big comfy bed...well, that was too scandalous!

            Perhaps your roommate made similiar mental algebraic equations in order to preserve her self-esteem if not virgin status? :)

      • for a second (0 / 0)

        I wasn't sure if she was the one making the bed springs creak, "How uncomfortable for her.." ?????

        Then I realized she was listening to the bed springs..yes, I get it now! Mommy fog, its a lovely thing...

  • Doesn't surprise me (0 / 0)

    I went to Oberlin and even back then (graduated in early 1990's) we had co-ed showers in the hippy co-op that I lived in. We all got used to it and it was totally non-sexual, at least for me.

    Would I let my kid do it? I think if he assured me they were just friends and it wasn't likely to turn into a romantic relationship, I wouldn't have a problem with it. I would be much more reluctant to approve of it if they were a couple, only because I kind of doubt the lastingness of college relationships. I know that some people meet the person they end up marrying in college, but most of the couples I knew back then didn't necessarily make it through an entire school year. I think it would be distracting and miserable to be stuck living with your ex.

    • That is the first thing I thought of (0 / 0)

      how horrible to be stuck living with someone if you had broken up.

      Of course, I went to a college where boys and girls had separate dorms and were not allowed beyond the lobby of the other's dorm, so the idea of sharing rooms is a little out there for me.

  • Hee hee hee hee hee (0 / 0)

    I attended the California Institute of Technology, and yes, people were allowed to choose 'mixed doubles' when I was a student in the 80's. It's a small school (1000 undergraduates), and most of the rooms were double occupancy, with some singles and maybe 4-5 triples.

    "Room picks" were by class seniority, altered by any house office you might hold. So the House president would have the first pick. For non-officers, picks were ordered by class and then by drawing a Tarot card. If a situation ended up so that there was an odd number of women (that's always how we thought of it, given how few there were), then the woman with the last pick would end up getting a single.

    When women were first admitted to the campus, there was a section of a dorm that was reserved just for women - but everyone hated that. When I was a student, there was an all-female building that was part of off campus housing (but quite close in, it just didn't have its own social identity), for women who wanted that. But as far as I know, once women were allowed to live in any House, there were never rules restricting mixed doubles. Everyone just looked the other way and let it work itself out.

    While I was a student, we got a new President who came from another university. At some point in his first year, it suddenly became apparent to him that some of the students were in mixed doubles. He was appalled, and his first instinct was to crack down and end it immediately. One of our very bright, quite wonderful administrators immediately piped up with, "Before we can do that, we'll have to make sure we don't have any same sex gay couples rooming together." And he turned bright pink and that was the end of that.

    The simple reality was that it wasn't a big deal. Indeed, very few couples formally picked the same room - the room pick roster didn't necessarily reflect where people stayed the night. And not every mixed couple actually was in a relationship.

    • I love your response (0 / 0)

      because a Tarot card would have been just as shocking, if not more so, than co-ed rooms at my alma mater.

      thanks for making me smile~

      • hee! (0 / 0)

        My Tarot card in college would have been "The Fool"...

      • See, we thought it was deeply appropriate (0 / 0)

        because after all, we were sealing our fates for at least a term.

        That said, each House at Caltech has a quite different personality. I expect Page used regular playing cards. :-)

        Also, I would say that room pick dynamics were well worked out in advance as much as possible. You'd get your ranking several days before the actual pick, and the Secretary had a list of all the (available) rooms in rank of normal desirability, generally sorted so that singles with large square feet were high and doubles with small square feet were low.

        (This particular house was built in the 30's, and every room was different, with a different size, paint scheme, etc, and a few had murals and permanent skybeds. Also, one might want a room in the same hall as a friend, or downstairs vs. upstairs, or a room in the hallway with the best kitchen or the computer room.)

        So, people with low picks would know that they needed to find a roommate with a better card, and people with high picks could at their option choose double or single. We also controlled two single family houses that had been set up as student housing. Those were generally the least desirable spots, but sometimes upperclassmen would choose them because they liked the location.

        And so people would canvass to figure out exactly what everyone was going to do, because it would affect whether someone would be forced out to one of the houses (versus choosing it deliberately) and no one wants to be forced to pick a roommate during the actual roompick.

        My roommate and I got along really well and we had a room together for 3 years.

    • By the way (0 / 0)

      that pair who shocked the incoming President is still together. :-)

  • interesting question (0 / 0)

    I'm not sure, actually. Like a few others, I'm not sure I'd want my child (Jess or #2, regardlessof gender) rooming with a SO, because of the fragility of relationships at that age, plus the fact that I'm not sure I'd want my child to get so wrapped up in that so early. We all remember the total absorption of relationships at that age; I'd want my child to be out there experiencing everything of life!

    However, I do recognize that my wants for my child are purely my own conjecture. If this did come up, I hope I'd have the self-control to discuss it rather than say "no" straight out of hand!

  • I'm going to encourage them to get a single room. (0 / 0)

    "As God is my witness, I thought turkeys could fly"

    by lonestar canuck on Sun May 04, 2008 at 06:23:54 PM PDT

    • eh (0 / 0)

      I think there's good value in sharing rooms or suites; you learn how to get on with strangers.

      • Well.... (0 / 0)

        the chick I shared a room with during first year was my complete opposite.  She was a make up wearing, rich bitch, prom queen type and I...was not.    We tolerated each other.  

        Later I lived in houses with men and women but everyone had their own room - during third year my husband had the room next to mine...I definitely learned how to get (it) on with strangers....

        "As God is my witness, I thought turkeys could fly"

        by lonestar canuck on Mon May 05, 2008 at 06:47:25 AM PDT

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  • i lived with boys... (0 / 0)

    all through college and much preferred them to girls as friends (see how i've grown?).  technically, i roomed with girls, but that's only where i stored my clothes... i slept in a quad room with my favorite guys for most of my years in college and would've loved if my clothes could've lived there too.  thankfully for two years, my roommate and i dated roommates, so we just swapped.  until she went and broke up with her roommate.  it took me ten years to do the same.  but as a tomboy, i just got along better with the guys, and they seemed to tolerate having me around.

  • Scratching my head on this one (0 / 0)

    I think this policy is a matter of: administrators knowing that only a few students will ever choose to do it, and gay students have a legitimate issue here. So let's not spend a bunch of time clarifying policy that roomies have to be of the same sex, unless one of you is gay. Let's not and say we did.

    Because I don't get the point of it. As I wrote recently, one of my BFF is a man, and we were once housemates - in our mid 20s. We have traveled together, and stayed in the same hotel room (in our late 20, early 30s). Back in the day, why would I want to live in the same bedroom with him 24/7? I also had female friends. And his girlfriend at the time hated me enough, thanks.

    Would I want my son to do this? Well, honestly, if he came to me as a 19 year old young man and said he and his future female roomie were just friends - well, I can't get "But I didn't inhale" out of my mind.

    • I think you have a point (0 / 0)

      perhaps the administration is just trying to level the playing field. Interesting point.

    • Oh, I dunno (0 / 0)

      perhaps I was weird, but when I was in college I shared a (small!) tent with a male fellow student (and friend) for all of the five weeks of field camp in Spain. And no, we did not 'inhale' ;-)

      After this particular field trip, I went cycletouring with my now-DH. The original plan had been to go with four of us: DH, his GF, her brother and me, but DH and the GF broke up earlier in the summer (when I was on said field camp). Now-DH and I decided to go together and had a great time. We shared that same small tent, but we were not sexually involved. It was about 3 months later that our friendship developed into relationship.  We've been together for 15 years since...

      Perhaps it made a difference that I was something of a tomboy, as slackermom mentioned above as well, but I've always had more male than female friends. However, those friendships only very rarely developed into a relationship.

      My daughters are still very young, but, assuming they have developed into reasonably sensible young women by the time they will go to college, I don't think I would consider co-ed dorms a major issue. That said, campus housing is extremely rare here, and most students live in shared appartments, or larger units where they will each have their own room, with shared showers, kitchen and living room. So it's a different situation here anyway. But who knows where we will live by then...

      And on a sidenote, several years after college I applied for a job that would have involved fieldwork in Antarctica. For safety reasons you always work in pairs, and because the discipline is dominated by men, it would have meant sharing a small tent with a guy, and in extremely remote places too. They asked at the interview how I felt about that and I could honestly say that I did not percieve it as a problem - not for me, at least. Unfortunately I came second, because that would have been one cool job!

  • at Penn (0 / 0)

    when i was there in the early 90s, our floors were coed and the bathrooms were coed. i did not care. but i am a loner type and would have much rather had a single room.

    as for my son, that seems so long away, who knows.

    We cannot defend freedom abroad by deserting it at home. - E.R. Murrow

    by lorin on Sun May 04, 2008 at 09:09:06 PM PDT

  • I think this is a great idea. (0 / 0)

    I'll say first that the idea of having to share rooms still kind of wigs me out, and by the time I got to University (1996) all but one of the dorms had been converted to single rooms, and they were in the process of switching that over to singles, too. I can't imagine having to share a room with a stranger and honestly, if I'd had to in my first year I'd have had second thoughts about attending University at all (yeah, not a people person here). I do wonder if part of that is the prevailance of drunkenness, I did know one guy who had to share a room in his first year and it was... not good. Both with the coupling and rolling in at 3am barely able to stand, one person wants to sleep late the other has to be up early, sharing a room in College just seems like a recipe for absolute disaster to me.
    All of that said, if I absolutely had to share rooms at University, I think I would have found it tough when 2/3 to 3/4 of my friends were unavailable because of their sex. I think where people have to share a room for a year, they ought to be able to choose whoever they're most comfortable with, and that really ought to be up to them.

    "You're never more alone than when you're alone in a crowd."

    by Expat Briton on Mon May 05, 2008 at 07:42:25 AM PDT

  • Not worth it (0 / 0)

    On-campus housing wasn't ever worth it for us.  We showed up married, and we would have hated to live in dorms and have restrictions.  Much better to cook your own food, etc.  But it was a small town where-off campus housing was plentiful and cheap.  

    I think it's a fine idea, though probably not for freshmen.

  • good idea (0 / 0)

    especially for non-hetero situations. My BF in high school wound up in an absolutely horrid situation at a Big State School his freshman year. He listed himself as gay and was put into a dorm that was designated as a  gay-friendly dorm. Except the rooms were not co-ed. He found it horrifically uncomfortable to live with someone who considered him a potential hook up, or partner, and wound up leaving the whole school 3 weeks in.

    SO what I would say is great- but not for Frosh year. Make the selection your sophomore year and go from there, but leave the potential hook-up factor out of it for the first year.

    • There were no restrictions (0 / 0)

      at Caltech, but certainly the RAs went out of their way to discuss in advance with freshmen or anyone else who they felt might not know the proposed roommate well enough. I think that works better than a blanket rule.

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