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Should this suburban mom go back to prison?

Tue May 20, 2008 at 02:28:59 PM PDT

The story of Susan LeFevre, a San Diego mom who was arrested more than 30 years after escaping from a Michigan prison, has stuck in my mind.

Susan was a 20-year-old living in Michigan when she was sentenced to serve 10 to 20 years in prison for her role in selling heroin to an undercover state trooper. She somehow managed to escape the prison in 1976; she headed to California where she lived as Marie Walsh. She got married, had three kids and lived life on the straight and narrow for the last three decades.

That idyllic suburban existence was rudely interrupted by her arrest. Now her case has sparked impassioned debate about whether or not she should finish serving her sentence. The Free Susan LeFevre website asks people to sign petitions in support of the woman; newspapers including The Detroit News have weighed in, imploring Michigan governor Jennifer Granholm to commute the remainder of her sentence:

People who call for putting her back in jail have valid points. But in a wider context, they don't carry the day.

Prison time is partly aimed at rehabilitation. And LeFevre's life during the past 32 years indicates she managed to rehabilitate herself.

Putting her back in prison accomplishes little. Nor does it make much sense to charge her with the jailbreak. Neither course is worth the time and effort, much less the taxpayers' money.

Some say she should serve her sentence to send a message: Escaping jail doesn't pay. One woman jumping a prison fence 32 years ago is not likely to ignite waves of jail breaks.

Others say it's only fair she pay for her crime. However, it's not unusual for convicted criminals to escape jail time through parole or probation. Others are given a break in work-release programs. Compassion is built into the system.

It's been almost a month since her arrest and I'm still torn. If you read the comments attached to the first article, you'll see that for most people, this issue is black or white, prison or leniency, lock-her-up or let-her-go.

I guess I fall on the side of leniency. A 10-to-20 year sentence for a first-time offender strikes me as draconian. Yes, she was on the lam for 30 years, but she didn't go around committing crimes and terrorizing the population-at-large. And I can't help but feel sorry for her husband and kids, who must be reeling from the shock.

I wonder if there's a way to find a middle ground...maybe have her serve a 6-month sentence and then put her on probation? Although that probably wouldn't appease the most rabid law-and-order segment of our society.

What do you think? Should the outcome of this case be decided by compassion, the law, or a combination of both? Do you feel sorry for LeFevre or do you think she should be locked up?

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  • What purpose would sending this (0 / 0)

    woman back to prison serve?  Why should tax payers be paying for her support for the next 20 years?  This is the kind of case that governors were given the power of commutation for.  

    I'd have no trouble with some kind of community service or probation, but honestly, I just don't understand why it would advantage anyone to have her imprisoned.

  • I said other (0 / 0)

    because I think that she should not go back to prison but should do some kind of community service.

    I guess I can't quite see letting her go without something, since she not only committed a crime but also escaped from prison -- but I don't think it's productive to send her back to prison.

    Mom of twins, DD and DS, born 12/96

    by Lisa in Austin on Tue May 20, 2008 at 03:39:52 PM PDT

  • I'm really torn and outraged (0 / 0)

    I'll play the race/class card here. If Ms. LeFevre was African-American or Latino or escaped and was then found in the projects, would there be this same public outcry and lobbying of the governor? Call me cynical, but I think not.

    The prosecution and punishment of illict drug-related crimes is an absolute travesty (believe me, I wrote a thesis on it for my masters). It has absolutely decimated generations of certain communities and has been ineffective in reducing consumption, which is supposed to be the societal good that these regimes are promoting. Yet so long as Other People (ie, not white middle class suburban mothers) were going to jail and not US, who stood up and said no? It wasn't Billy Joel who set up a coalition in NY to undo the draconian Rockerfeller Laws - it was Russell Simmons.

    So yeah, I think that this woman's punishment was outsized to the crime. But why should this woman receive more lienancy than her sisters who live in, say, Harlem?

    • excellent point. (0 / 0)

      I think the reason this story gained so much steam was the "white suburban soccer mom" angle. Just like white women disappearing get national news coverage, while women of color suffer violent crimes every day and get nary a brief in the paper.

      MotherTalkers moderator and mom to Maya, a 3.5-year-old firecracker.

      by Erika on Tue May 20, 2008 at 04:28:00 PM PDT

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    • TOTALLY (0 / 0)

      that's what bugged about this- obviously she is getting a preferential treatment because she's a white soccer mom. I would venture a guess that she's middling-to-well-to-do? Is she more rehabilitated than a poor woman or a woman of a different race because she managed to get herself into a good situation (married with kids in the suburbs)? Should we be proud that she was a "good girl" and avoided getting into trouble again when she has essentially been IN trouble for the past 30 years? I don't know.

      I'm also with you 100% on the complete lack of affect the prosecution of drug crimes.

    • I would feel the same way no matter (0 / 0)

      what her race or economic status.  However, I do agree that we do have two justice systems.  The answer to this, however, is not to make it more draconian for part of the population in order to satisfy fairness.  We need to work in making sure we have fair laws for all...that's where our emphasis should be.

    • asdf (0 / 0)

      The article I cited below suggests this was not a one-time deal for her.

      "When she was sentenced to do 10 to 20 years for a person with no prior history... those things don't mesh with someone (who was a small time drug dealer).

      "The state police that did the investigation estimated she was making $2,000 a week when she was arrested. That's $104,000 a year. That's good money now, imagine what it was in 1974."

      At that time, minimum wage was $2 an hour. People working a 40-hour week would have made $80 a week before taxes -- or $4,160 a year before taxes.

      • I wonder what legitimate options (0 / 0)

        were available for a woman in Michigan in 1974?  Seems to me the only other way she might have earned that kind of money back in the day would have been prostitution -- also illegal.  I'm fairly certain the glass ceiling was firmly in place at GM.

        Mama to one son, born 12/93.

        by mamacita on Wed May 21, 2008 at 04:44:10 PM PDT

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      • prosecutor begs to differ (0 / 0)

        This is from the first article I cited:

        "Sure, she was buying from someone else. She did make some sales. But she wasn't targeted as a major player," E. Brady Denton, Saginaw County's prosecutor in charge during the 1970s, said yesterday.../snip

        "Saginaw had a real heroin problem at that time. Heroin was coming from Mexico to south Texas to Saginaw – they called it Mexican brown," Denton said. "People were killing each other over it."

        When homicides in the city topped 50 a year, the drug task force came to town.

        "There were many other people in her exact same situation who got 10 to 20 years," Denton said.

        If he were prosecutor today, Denton said, he wouldn't put LeFevre back in prison. Instead, he would allow her to withdraw her plea, have her replead to the same charges, then sentence her under the new Michigan guidelines, which would factor in a prior record, the severity of the crime and what she has done with her life.

        "I'd give her probation and let her go back and be with her family in California."

        MotherTalkers moderator and mom to Maya, a 3.5-year-old firecracker.

        by Erika on Wed May 21, 2008 at 05:12:14 PM PDT

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        • that is a very interesting (0 / 0)

          perspective, and carries a lot of weight with me.  He obviously knows the area, and what the sequelae of the crime were.  Sounds like he thinks the laws were too stiff at the time of the crime.

          Mama to one son, born 12/93.

          by mamacita on Wed May 21, 2008 at 07:53:12 PM PDT

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  • so she's been good the past 20 years (0 / 0)

    I'm sure she would have been productive in prison as well; working, studying, writing, becoming a spokesperson, perhaps finding religion.  the difference would have been a loss of her liberties for that length of time, the real punishment.  
    I think the race/class issue is relevent and must be addressed.  Sending her back to serve the remainder of her sentence?  Probably not, but some time served and a very lenghty probation with community service attached would satisfy my rule of law nature

    "The day is coming when a single carrot, freshly observed, will set off a revolution." Paul Cezanne

    by educonfidential on Tue May 20, 2008 at 05:15:55 PM PDT

  • I say let her go. If this happened to a woman of (0 / 0)

    color I would say let her go.  Has there been a case like this involving an African American or a Latino?

    • I agree with you (0 / 0)

      her case should be let go.  I'd feel that way regardless.  But I think the point others are making is, this quite possibly has happened to people of other races, but they didn't get this amount of publicity of sympathy.  We didn't hear about it.

      Simone (1/04) and Milo (9/07)

      by Erin on Tue May 20, 2008 at 10:31:47 PM PDT

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  • no (0 / 0)

    Prison should serve a purpose.  Returning her does only harm - to her, her family, her community, and the taxpayers - but no possible good.

    A community service requirement should be plenty for someone who is considered no threat to society.  And if being a white suburban mom is what gets her this, fine - it sets a legal precedent that can perhaps be more widely applied.  But let's not punish her just because others are punished unjustly - that moves in the wrong direction.

    mom to DS1, 7 yr old frat boy, and DS2, 5 yr old engineer

    by lyn on Tue May 20, 2008 at 07:32:21 PM PDT

    • Exactly. (0 / 0)

      We want justice to be color blind, right?  We won't achieve that by making examples of people of any race.    Putting this woman back in prison because she happens to be white would be like a sick kind of reversal of the old adage about "being a credit to one's race".

      • asdf (0 / 0)

        I don't want her in prison because she's white. I want her in prison because she committed a crime and was sentenced to a prison term, which was deemed appropriate by the judge at the time. She could have appealed her sentence. She could have applied for parole. There were legal methods available to her, yet as far as any of the accounts mention, she did not choose to exercise those options.

        If a murderer confessed and was convicted and sentenced to 10-20 years, but escaped after a short time and went off to live a quiet normal life under an assumed identity, should they be let off without consequence? An auto thief? An embezzler? A rapist? A housebreaker? Which crimes really don't matter? Some laws aren't exactly perfect, but just letting people out because they say they'll do better, or because they think they can just walk off without going through the appeals process, that's not the way to change laws for the better. That's a way to let every would-be criminal know that laws don't matter. Do what you please. Society won't penalize you, won't stop you, won't even slow you down if you commit harm against it.

        ...In the meantime, she's committed identity theft by stealing a dead person's Social Security number and fraud by using false identification, which is a pretty serious crime by today's standards.

  • program (0 / 0)

    i say she be be required to work community service, perhaps helping other women who were in a similar situation rehabilitate themselves. she obviously had the willpower to put her own lesson to work. maybe she can help others.

    sentence was initially draconian. 10-20 for selling drugs? rapists get out in 8 years these days. let her free, get her to share her knowledge with others.

    We cannot defend freedom abroad by deserting it at home. - E.R. Murrow

    by lorin on Tue May 20, 2008 at 09:01:21 PM PDT

  • asdf (0 / 0)

    I say let her rot in prison the next 20 years to play out her drug sentence.

    The judge wrote, "anyone else who undertakes to live off other people's misery". He had it right. This one really hits me in the gut. In that same general time period, in that same vicinity, my bil died from tainted heroin. He could be living the masculine counterpart of this woman's idyllic suburban lifestyle, but for her and people like her who made drugs available for a quick buck. Drugs literally tore my husband's family apart. It's probably not my business to write about the private part here, but the consequences will be felt for generations.

    There was mention in the documentation about a previous case. This doesn't seem to be a single, accidental screwup by a naive young kid caught in the wrong place at the wrong time. She knew what she was doing. How many families did she help destroy, like my husband's? "Whether you had any responsibility to getting those people addicted," said the judge. Saginaw hasn't ever really recovered. The crime rate is worse than that of Detroit, and per capita income is less than in Detroit (where you can't even get a fresh vegetable!). She, and others like her, contributed to the economic downfall of the state.

    Speaking to her life now, what kind of message does it sent to her kids, that it's okay to screw up really, really bad when you're a young adult because you can just gloss over it and escape the consequences? I'd call that bad parenting on top of everything else.

  • I feel exactly um...ZERO (0 / 0)

    sympathy for this woman.  She sold HEROIN not a joint at a grateful dead concert -- bullsh*t on this 'oohh she paid her debt"  she did not...she lived a better freaking life than I have after 42 years of nothing worse than one speeding ticket in my life.   She should go back to freaking jail and do her freaking time and get over her super duper specialness.  She's not special. she was a drug dealer.  

    and word to that Rachel -- if she were black or latino we would never even know her name....

  • she sold heroin... (0 / 0)

    i think she needs to pay for the crime.  how of course is the question. i fear i am having a hard time with "community service" alone.

    she was crafty enough to break out of jail and THEN go on to live a life in full view.  no question she is enterprising, but in my view, it is not a reason to set her free.

  • What is the purpose of prison? (0 / 0)

    That's really what it comes down to. I think it serves two purposes - to protect society from those who would do it harm, and to rehabilitate individuals so they can reenter that society with little or no risk to others. There is no need to send her back - she isn't a danger to anyone, nor does she need rehabilitation.
    Of course, there are those who think prison is there to punish. Honestly, I find that incredibly depressing. Punishment should be a means to an end, not an end in and of itself. I don't think anyone here would meet out punishment to their children just for the sake of punishing them when they do something wrong - you punish because you want that child to get better. Punishment without any purpose past "you broke the rules," is ugly at best, and an outrageous abuse of power at worst.
    IMO, when you send someone to prison, you do your best to fix them, help them to have alternatives and make something of their lives, and get them the hell back out as quickly as possible so they can be productive. Where that isn't possible, you keep them in as long as you can justify. But that's not the case here. There would be no reason to lock her up except for a misguided and brutal sense of "justice."

    "You're never more alone than when you're alone in a crowd."

    by Expat Briton on Wed May 21, 2008 at 09:01:52 AM PDT

    • ok, not prison... (0 / 0)

      how about then given the fact that the state of michigan is in such financial distress, and she has clearly lived a life of comfort if not wealth, she pay a hefty fine?  i wonder how much of the tax payers monies went towards tracking her down?

      i agree that prison is not a solution.  however it does gall me that this woman sold heroin, contributing to the destruction of lives and then skipped off to live what seems a very nice life of luxury. it also rubs me the wrong way that we are seeing the lovely professional photo shots of her and her family again clearly living a life that many only dream of.  these photos are meant to communicate what a great person she has become.  let's compare that to the life of heroin addicts...how about we see pics of that?

      lastly we all assume she has rehabilitated because of the supposed life we see in pictures.  my mind wanders a bit as to how this secret impacted her family's lives in ways that are not visible through a series of professional photographs. but i suppose that is a "whatever".

      prison?  ok perhaps not.  do i think the original sentence was absurb?  i do.  it may not fit into our laws but a hefty fine seems a good way to bring this one to a close.

      • Fines. (0 / 0)

        I have mixed feelings about fines. I tend to feel that they're there as a deterrent, and so again, given there's probably little to deter, might not be so appropriate here (I'll mostly avoid going off on a tirade about how this means fines should be means-tested, a $100 speeding ticket is not the same deterrent to different people). But separate to that issue, I don't think people should profit from their crimes, so taking monies which could be seen as the profits from her drug dealing days, I'm OK with - I don't perceive of that as the same thing.

        "You're never more alone than when you're alone in a crowd."

        by Expat Briton on Wed May 21, 2008 at 10:01:25 AM PDT

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      • Michigan has some of the most (0 / 0)

        draconian drug laws in the country.  Living just across the border, I haven't seen that such laws reduce the rate of crime in the least bit.  In fact, I would argue that the opposite is probably true.

        • draconian drug laws (0 / 0)

          are truly awful,i agree completely. and a 10 to 20 year sentence is godawful. and none of it solves the problem.

          we should be heavily investing in superior fact/science based drug alcohol and tobacco education in our public schools.  so set up a heavy fine system for those caught to fund it along with treatment/education for offenders.

          if i were advising this woman i'd coach her to talk alot about how she feels terrible about the lives she may have destroyed through her crime. and then get busy  in creating, organizing or contributing to some kind of drug education program in michigan. having lived a clean life of luxury while on the lam is not a proper nor satisfactory pay back. it reeks of entitlement.

      • I think this is a good solution (0 / 0)

        I have heard that "no one comes out of prison a better person than they were when they went in."  I don't believe in punishment for the sake of suffering, so I am not down with that punitive option.

        However, the money angle does work for me.  The taxpayers of Michigan spent resources to catch, try, and shelter her.  They ostensibly spent other resources to try and clean up any messes made by her, her cohorts, and her customers.  (Drugs are not always a victimless crime.)  OTOH, I can't help wondering if she had the resources she needed when she was growing up.  I wonder who the mysterious "older couple" were who made her bail?  Cheating kids when they're young can be quite expensive when they're old enough to do crimes.

        I say have her pay up and be done with it.

        Mama to one son, born 12/93.

        by mamacita on Wed May 21, 2008 at 07:45:07 PM PDT

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      • Yes, hefty (0 / 0)

        The fine idea seems good, although I personally think it would have to be a very very big percentage of her net worth to make it justice in any sense of the word.
        Maybe her husband could divorce her, and the courts could take a huge chunk of her settlement.

        I feel pretty mean saying that, but I would only want her to pay the fine without bankrupting her husband and kids.

        • Instinctively (0 / 0)

          I was drawn to Miranda's large fine plan.  But I'm a little uncomfortable with the unintended slippery slope aspect.  Should people with money be able to buy their way out of prison?  I understand that they do it all the time via good lawyers, but if she was able to do it, would that set a legal precedent?  

          It's always bothered me that, say, a $40 dollar parking ticket is absolutely nothing to one person, a minor annoyance to another (the intended consequence, I think) but means that another may not be able to make their rent.  I don't have a good solution, but I think it's wrong.

          Simone (1/04) and Milo (9/07)

          by Erin on Thu May 22, 2008 at 10:23:36 PM PDT

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    • Rehabilitation is not the goal of our prisons (0 / 0)

      IMO, when you send someone to prison, you do your best to fix them, help them to have alternatives and make something of their lives, and get them the hell back out as quickly as possible so they can be productive.

      That's called "coddling" the prisoners.  Most prisons don't even offer drug treatment to drug offenders.  Rehabilitation and reform are out of fashion.

      mom to DS1, 7 yr old frat boy, and DS2, 5 yr old engineer

      by lyn on Wed May 21, 2008 at 12:01:27 PM PDT

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      • So we turn them back out (0 / 0)

        with little else to do but re-offend.  Its how we have such a large prison population.  This is something that our country will have to address at some point in time...but the "throw the bums in jail" way of thinking prevails to such an extent there is zero political will.

  • I don't really care what she deserves (0 / 0)

    Prison doesn't solve anything, it doesn't fix anything, it doesn't teach anyone a lesson.  I certainly doesn't send any "message" - or if it does, the message isn't exactly getting through in the country with the worlds highest imprisonment rate.

    I've posted before about my brother the prison guard, and my opinions are very strongly influenced by him.  He believes prison should only be used to isolate the harmful ones who need to be "quarantined" away from the rest of us.

    Nothing good ever comes out of putting someone in prison, or as my brother calls it, "crime college".  I really don't care what the prisoner deserves.  We need to return to a focus on what is good for society.  

    mom to DS1, 7 yr old frat boy, and DS2, 5 yr old engineer

    by lyn on Wed May 21, 2008 at 09:03:13 AM PDT

    • I think I stole your (0 / 0)

      brother's line without realizing it! (above)

      Mama to one son, born 12/93.

      by mamacita on Thu May 22, 2008 at 02:48:29 PM PDT

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    • I totally, totally agree (0 / 0)

      I'd rather dangerous individuals just be put into token economies, in their own little world where no special effort is made to punish them or make them miserable.  As human beings it just isn't given to us to accurately dole out "justice".

      You brother sounds so great!  I'm glad there are prison guards like him.

      Simone (1/04) and Milo (9/07)

      by Erin on Thu May 22, 2008 at 10:14:28 PM PDT

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  • Would you all feel better about her being free if (0 / 0)

    she didn't have such a seemingly good life?  I don't get how this figures in.

  • Something else is bugging me (0 / 0)

    Something else is bugging me about this story and this person: she knowingly married someone without revealing her history - heck without revealing even her real name. This is major history that might rain down a ton of pain on someone else, as is happening right now to her husband, not to mention her kids. Without giving that person a choice in the matter, at all.

    I just couldn't do that to someone I respect, let alone love, personally. And I can't help but think that if she didn't respect her husband enough to tell him, she doesn't have much respect for other people in general. The whole thing could be read as sociopathic actually, even if she has never committed another official crime and was loved by her family.

    • yeah, you're right (0 / 0)

      you make an excellent point, and I wonder how her husband and family are feeling now. It takes a certain mentality for sure to totally become another person and hide your previous life.

    • I'm not sure he didn't know. (0 / 0)

      In fact, I would be very surprised if he didn't know.  Legally, I'm sure she felt that she had to say this.  

      • Oh, interesting (0 / 0)

        That is a possibility. It would be horrible for him to somehow be implicated because he knew all along that she was supposed to be in prison.

        At least that is better than the scenario I described above. Still, that's now two people who had kids with a huge risk hanging over their heads. He signed his marriage license and kid's birth certificates knowing her name is stolen. And let's say he knew. Would all of their money and house and everything be in his name? I guess what I am speculating is that if he knew all along, there would be some odd kinks in how they did things that would reveal he knew.

        My money is still on he didn't know.

        I'm curious - why would it surprise you if he didn't know? I guess it would be odd that someone has no family or very old friends.

        • bothers me greatly as well.. (0 / 0)

          perhaps her husband knew...but damn what a burden for the whole family.  and how on earth do you hide your entire family history which is what i suspect she would have had to do.

          of course these are all side notes to the original question. but all the way around it just doesn't smell right to me. and i can't get past the "picture" perfect family.  somehow it all reminds me of the opening scene of david lynch's movie blue velvet...that incredibly green grass and the sprinkler going awry...

        • I'd be surprised (0 / 0)

          if he didn't know.  Not shocked, but surprised.  But I do think that her daughters probably didn't know.  I have no evidence for backing up either of these hunches.  You make some convincing points.

          If her husband didn't know?  Unforgivable, for him.

          Simone (1/04) and Milo (9/07)

          by Erin on Thu May 22, 2008 at 08:51:09 AM PDT

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