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Don't You Love John McCain?

Sat May 17, 2008 at 10:05:11 AM PDT

At this point, most of us have caucused or voted.  There is no point in defending our preferred candidate.  There will be a winner soon enough, and I won't presume to predict who that winner will be.  Yes, I know that it looks like it will be Obama right now, but HRC has fought her way back before and I don't rule out the possibility of it happening again.  At the end of the day, I don't care.  I will support our nominee regardless.

If you live in one of the tiny hand full of states who are undecided, or if you are talking to an undecided democrat from one of those states, by all means promote your candidate.  However, I would like to honor the fact that both Hillary Clinton and Barak Obama have fought the good fight.  Both of them have many, many devoted supporters.  The nominee cannot win without the other candidate's supporters.

I'm not worried.  I have faith in democrats.  For the moment, though, I thought it might be fun to discuss all the things we oppose about John McCain, just for morale.  

I don't need to actively wish John McCain harm.  Heaven knows he's been through enough in his life.  Still, at the risk of appearing malicious, I'll go first.

  1.  He is, currently, a pro-life advocate who wants to overturn Roe v. Wade.
  1.  He thinks our economy is better now then it was in 2000.
  1.  He projects that our country will be in Iraq for 100 years, long after he's gone.
  1.  He called Chelsea Clinton ugly when she was a teenager.
  1.  He feels don't ask, don't tell is working.
  1.  He continues to attempt to block the Webb GI bill.
  1.  Two words?  Bomb Iran.  

That's just the beginning.  I know you all have many, many more reasons.  

Irrelevantly, a friend of mine bemoaned Edwards dropping out of the race in part because he's pretty.  But you know what?  All three of our democrats have got it going on.  If this was a beauty contest, we'd have it in the bag.  But every one of us is smarter then that.

Tags: John McCain, republicans, democrats (all tags)

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  • This is a fine quote (0 / 0)

    http://rawstory.com/...

    Three reporters from Arizona, on the condition of anonymity, also let me in on another incident involving McCain's intemperateness. In his 1992 Senate bid, McCain was joined on the campaign trail by his wife, Cindy, as well as campaign aide Doug Cole and consultant Wes Gullett. At one point, Cindy playfully twirled McCain's hair and said, "You're getting a little thin up there." McCain's face reddened, and he responded, "At least I don't plaster on the makeup like a trollop, you cunt." McCain's excuse was that it had been a long day. If elected president of the United States, McCain would have many long days.

    Also, his nickname in high school was McNasty. That's not a good sign.

  • Well, it is nice that our candidates don't (0 / 0)

    make me want to retch.  I've spent the last 9 years doing just that everytime I had to see or hear GW on the television.   Like nails on a chalkboard to me.

    McCain.  My latest problem with him is that he wants to make healthcare even harder to come by for most of us.  His idea is to eliminate the tax advantages that employers now have for offering coverage to employees.  He also has proposed that those of us receiving employer based coverage be taxed for it.  And, he would make it even easier for people to be turned down or charged excessively high rates if they have anything that would qualify as a "pre-condition".  

    He would also appoint judges across the country who would set us back even further in almost every cause any of us here care about.  

    And Social Security?  Well, another republican elected as president will likely be thought of as providing that "mandate" to privatize it.  

    And I could keep going...

    • Yes, his "$5000 tax credit" (0 / 0)

      might just cover the additional taxes you'll owe on an average family policy. This year. Not after a couple of years of 10% increases.

      • $5000 wouldn't begin to cover (0 / 0)

        a family in my neck of the woods.  Basic HMO coverage would run at least $10,000-$15,000/yr here.  

        • No, it's worse (0 / 0)

          The deal is that he'd make your employer-provided health insurance taxable income to you - ie, increase your taxable income by an average of $12,000+, roughly.

          This means that you (and your employer) would have to pay social security tax + your marginal tax rate. That's 16% for SS and say 25% (or more) that would be additional IRS bills for you... ie, roughly $5,000.

          So his plan does NOTHING to give you any money towards paying for your insurance, unless you're one of the very few purchasing an individual policy and not getting any tax break.

  • He's in violation of McCain-Feingold (0 / 0)

    He used his certification to get public financing as collateral for a campaign loan when he ran out of cash last year. Normally, that locks you into public financing which locks you into spending limits.

    He's trying to pretend he didn't do that, and he's already spent more than the funding limit for the primary season.

  • john.he.is (0 / 0)

    I don't think the dude is worth discussion, but for anyone who hasn't seen it yet, this video sums things up nicely:
    jon.he.is

    As a funny aside, I had always assumed McCain opponents were unfairly cherry-picking depressing quotes to use against him in this video.  So imagine my surprise when I heard the by now familiar opening line from this video on the radio on primary night:
    "In a time of war, with the terrible sacrifices it entails, the promise of a brighter future is not always clear."

    NPR was broadcasting his victory speech.  This is his idea of an inspirational victory speech. What a douche.

    • oh, awesome! (0 / 0)

      I just clicked on my own link to make sure it worked - there was a prominent campaign ad right beside it!  "John McCain for President.  Join Our Team."  Looks like somebody at the campaign office is asleep at the wheel.

  • Shallow comment (0 / 0)

    Nah.  I voted for Edwards, supported him, but...Barack is way hotter.

    Of course, JE is the only candidate of this cycle I've seen in person.  I find most people are more appealing in person than on TV.  

    (Not to the point of Howard Dean, though.  My god, man.  Get a smooth, telegenic surrogate and stay away!  He's gotten a lot better, but it was so frigging awful in '04 to go to live events where he would connect with all these diverse people, and give thoughtful, brilliant answers to a million questions, and then watch him go on tv and look and the wrong camera and laugh like a lunatic, trip over words, etc.)

    PS brains are hot.  See Gore, Clark, et al.

    • Is he really good in person? (0 / 0)

      I like Dean now and gave him money in 2004 but when I was a first-year student at Middlebury (about a million years ago) and Dean was the lieutenant governor of Vermont he was invited to be one of the  people who spoke during the seminar on electoral politics that was our ice-breaker weekend (I won't say which election). He was so stiff! I remember thinking that he reminded me of the eagle character on the Muppets - his head was kind of a rectangle and seemed to go directly into his body with no neck. I couldn't focus on anything he said.

      Bernie Sanders, OTOH, was great and very funny. And this was back when he was mayor of Burlington, before his first run for the House. Oh, I am old.

    • I saw Edwards in person back in 2004. (0 / 0)

      And Kerry and Edwards together.  So far, this season, I've only seen Obama.  They were all pretty awesome, but when I saw Edwards, it was at a very small event and my daughter and I were in the first row.   Just inches away from where he was speaking.  

      Obama looks much younger, and even thinner, in person.  We were sitting up in a balcony, but we were the first row, and looking right over the entrance way where he came in.  Before entering, he spoke, just around the corner, to those who couldn't get in.  He has a wonderful voice.  

  • He decided to side with Bush (0 / 0)

    That to me says it all. And I'm glad that Barack Obama has started playing it that way too.

    • ooooh, yeah (0 / 0)

      Front page of today's NYTimes talks about how the Bush-McCain wing of the Repub party is try to rattle him on national defense.  His response is one I have been waiting a long, long time to hear from a Democrat, something along the lines of, "You both have a lot to answer for," followed by a list that includes stalled diplomacy in the Middle East (hello, did they not just screw up Lebanon?!), Osama's no where to be found, Al Qaeda's gotten stronger, Iraq's a mess, etc.....  But the best? this direct quote:

      If George Bush and John McCain want to have a debate about protecting the United States of America, that is a debate I am happy to have any time, any place.

      Bring it, Obama!!

  • He's a loose cannon- (0 / 0)

    'nuff said.  I just don't like someone being in charge of our country that has such a short fuse.  Just too scary.

    I also don't like the fact that he called his wife the c-word.  It takes a certain kind of man to do something like that, IMO.

    • And apparently he did it (0 / 0)

      in front of other people...strangers!  If that isn't just a tad unbalanced, I don't know what is.

    • yeah (0 / 0)

      I got a problem with someone who feels free to use a nasty slur that insults half the world's population. Just a little thing with me.

      I can't wait for us to start on the campaign trail. Our candidate and their proxies and supporters are Going. To. Kick. Some. A$$. Look at our people versus their people. McCain covers Big Business with Carly Fiorina - a fired CEO. We've got Warren Buffett and George Soros. Ching! McCain runs on his military experience. We've got Wesley Clark, a guy who not only served with distinction, but also, y'know, didn't graduate second-from-bottom from his school.

      I could go on, but puh-lease. We just kick a$$!

  • For me, all of the above (0 / 0)

    Plus, he doesn't understand the very founding premise of the Executive, as defined in the Constitution. From Slate, bold by me:

    This week, McCain sent further shudders through the body politic (or perhaps he would have, had the mainstream media covered the event) by pretty much promising, if elected, to abrogate his constitutional responsibilities. At the Associated Press' annual meeting on April 14, McCain was asked whether he would divert U.S. troops from Iraq to Afghanistan in order to quash the resurgent Taliban and capture Osama Bin Laden. McCain responded: "I would not do that unless Gen. Petraeus said that he felt that the situation called for that."

    That's right, folks. John McCain thinks that the military tells the president what to do. Wonderful. This is so wrong on so many levels, not the least of which being that old feeling from Vietnam by the military that if the politicians had just butted out, they could have won the war.

  • ok as a wife of a former (0 / 0)

    member of the military and a pilot - here are a few things that says Mountains about McCain to me.

    These are from memory but i would be happy to find the source materials if anyone cares.

    1. He graduated from Annapolis 894th out of 899.  Was considered a serious "party animal"
    1. His daddy and granddaddy were both Navy Admirals, which are likely the only reason he was allowed to train as a Naval Aviator.  (Trust me those grades would NEVER get you into flight school without your daddy being an Admiral)
    1.  He crashed 4 jets before he went to Vietnam. This is a very high number of jets to have lost and still be flying, especially with no combat flight time.
    1. Once he got to Vietnam, he had flown less than 28 hours before he was shot down.

    I could go on and on about his "military career" but it just sickens me to even think about it.  He is the man George W Bush attempted to be, but failed.

    Trust me we don't want the "Real Deal".

    • Love this (0 / 0)

      He is the man George W Bush attempted to be, but failed.

      That sums them both up perfectly.

      I do hate McSame gets to, dare I say, hide behind his POW experience. Yes, it was a horrible ordeal that no one should have to suffer, but it does not make him a better leader, politician, or person than the rest of us. His POW experience is exploited to make him somehow untouchable. Couple that with Obama's flag lapel pin issue and you've got the militaristic right going full speed with jingoistic zeal.

  • John Hagee (0 / 0)

    McCain deliberately has courted John Hagee's endorsement in an attempt to get elected. He knows he needs the crazy people to vote for him to be elected, and he knows that they're crazy.

    We checked out Hagee's book from the library. I was just thumbing through it absently and opened it to a random page. On that page (97) he says that God sent Hitler because he loved the Jews so much that he wanted to herd them to Israel.

    My jaw just dropped. (This book is from 2006).

    If I believed in God acting in such ways, I believe he'd send train tickets instead of death squads.

  • NY Times article (0 / 0)

    http://www.nytimes.com/...

    Long discussion of McCain's positions/experience/policy on wars, from Vietnam through Iraq.

  • I keep coming back to this thread (0 / 0)

    because there are two essential question. Can anybody think of a single area that Bush has improved in the past eight years. Anything, domestic or international. Economic, social, enviromental, political. Any branch, any agency. Can anyone tell me if there is a single instution that is better off today than it was in January 2001? I honestly can't think of Any. Single. One.

    Second question. Can anyone think of a single area where John McCain would change direction from the Dubya years for the better? Can we look at his platform, his supporters and his proposals and think, yes, we're going to be better off as people with John McCain in charge? Again, I can't think of a single thing.

    We gotta do everything we can to prevent another 1968. I hereby pledge that no matter who the selected candidate is, I will go out there and work my buns off for that person. I will go after uncommitteds, I will stand on street corners and preach if necessary. We have to make it clear to everyone exactly what we are risking by not coming behind the party's candidate and doing everything we can to get that person elected. I want every one of us to be able to look at our reflections on the day after Election Day and say "I did all I could and I am proud of it."

    • You're so right (0 / 0)

      I'm so scared of the outcome of this election, for so many reasons.  I guess I'll have to get on it.

    • Interesting thought (0 / 0)

      I tend to be of the opinion that there's always some redeeming feature on the other side if you just look hard enough; at least one teeny tiny thing you can point to and say, 'he did that right'.  But you're right, I really can't think of any.  Amazing.  I'm going to keep trying - I love a challenge.

      I agree that another 1968 is our worst case scenario.  But remember that it was not political attacks that took out our best and brightest.  :-(

      • you're right (0 / 0)

        assasination is not the slightest bit like a strong primary season. I was thinking more about the end of the general election when Humphrey came within a ridiculously small margin of winning, but ultimately lost.

    • I will say one nice thing about GWB (0 / 0)

      I can't imagine any future president being told or saying that only white males would have the qualifications to hold cabinet positions. Clinton did better than GWB, but as a Republican, I think he has done a great deal to make permanent the idea that women, blacks, and hispanics all belong at the highest levels of government, and make it a non-issue for conservatives as well as liberals.

      Interestingly, I don't think that would be one of McCain's strong points. And I think there's no doubt that Obama (or Hillary) would do fairly well on this point. ;-)

      • yes, that's true (0 / 0)

        that is very true.

        • My favorite comment (0 / 0)

          along those lines was Madeleine Albright's story that somebody's young son was shocked when a man was appointed to replace her.

          • isn't it lovely? (0 / 0)

            that's a lovely anecdote. I take a lot of personal inspiration from the "kids" stories. Like your daughter and MKatherine's Liza being inspired by Hillary, Gloria's son seeing Barack as someone just like him. This is what it's all about, you know? Some may say that it's a fatal flaw that every four years, we Americans look for a hero/savior, but I think that if we're not looking for someone who will inspire the best in us, what's the damn point?

    • I thought of one! (0 / 0)

      Can anybody think of a single area that Bush has improved in the past eight years.

      Yes, he has done WONDERS for the Democratic party.

  • Low blows perhaps but ... (0 / 0)

    "Things Younger Than McCain..."

    Anyone who surfs more than me (which would be most people with a pulse) has probably already seen this - apologies if it's been on here before.

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