Mother Talkers

Weekend Open Thread

Fri May 16, 2008 at 06:05:17 AM PDT

Author and activist Alice Walker is still publicly feuding with her daughter, Rebecca. Well, Rebecca keeps talking about it to the press, this time with the Sunday Times of London.

“My mother did a lot of leaving to go to her writing retreat, which was over 100 miles away — so she’d go there and leave me a little bit of money, leave me in the care of a neighbour,” recalls Rebecca, now 38.

“When I was pregnant at 14, I think it was because I was so lonely that I was reaching out through my sexuality. My mother’s a crusader for daughters around the world, but couldn’t see that her own daughter was having a difficult time. It was me having to psycho-emotionally tiptoe around her, rather than her taking care of me.”

Walker is furious with Rebecca for making such sentiments public, and mother and daughter are estranged with little hope of reconciliation. Rebecca has a three-year-old son, Tenzin, whom her mother has never seen. Their last meaningful exchange, during Rebecca’s pregnancy, ended in Walker sending a terse e-mail in which she resigned from “the job” of being her mother, and told her that in any case their relationship had been “inconsequential” for years.

The depth of her anger was such that she refused to budge even when Rebecca had a difficult birth and Tenzin’s life hung in the balance in a special-care baby unit. “My father called her to tell her what was happening. He couldn’t imagine that she wouldn’t run right over . . . In some ways, I wanted her to — but in other ways, I didn’t. I knew she wouldn’t be able to be there for me in the way I wanted. It would be problematic.”

Ouch.

In-Home Care Costs Shoot Through the Roof: The costs of in-home care for an elderly patient has risen by 17 percent since 2004 to $76,460 a year, according to the Alzheimer's Association. As the organization recently pointed out in its newsletter, many Americans are woefully unprepared to deal with skyrocketing costs and a dwindling number of options to care for their elderly family members.

Ford Recalls Pick-Up Trucks: In case you missed it, Ford has recalled its F-150 pickup truck and Lincoln Mark LT because of a faulty hose tied to the trucks' brakes, according to the Associated Press. The recall affects more than 600,000 customers in the United States and another 50,000 in Canada.

Immoral and Unconscionable: The military junta that controls Burma continues to bar foreign aid, including that from nearby Thailand, according to the Associated Press. Yet, the death toll in the country from a vicious cyclone is about to reach 127,000. Sick.

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Update on Fallout of China Earthquake: Chinese officials continue to uncover victims of a deadly earthquake that claimed the lives of 20,000 people and has buried tens of thousands of others, according to the Associated Press. As CNN pointed out, the Chinese government has acted judiciously, but the Chinese people are still in dire need of food, medical attention and water.

Big Pharma Taking Over: More than half of insured Americans are taking prescription drugs for chronic health problems, according to the Associated Press.

The most widely used drugs are those to lower high blood pressure and cholesterol — problems often linked to heart disease, obesity and diabetes...

Experts say the data reflect not just worsening public health but better medicines for chronic conditions and more aggressive treatment by doctors. For example, more people are now taking blood pressure and cholesterol-lowering medicines because they need them, said Dr. Daniel W. Jones, president of the American Heart Association.

In addition, there is the pharmaceutical industry’s relentless advertising. With those factors unlikely to change, doctors say the proportion of Americans on chronic medications can only grow.

I am spending my weekend with Erika, Papi Blez, and Maya -- who came up from Orange County -- and my Markos and Eli who are back from El Salvador. The reunion was sweet. A tired Eli simply laid her head on my shoulder as I squeezed her for a long time. In just the short amount of time she was gone, she has learned new things: She now walks holding only one of my hands, can eat a piece of fruit without making a mess and is copying everything I do. Yesterday I clipped her nails and she took the clipper away from me so she could try to do it herself. Yes, she is Miss Independent.

What else is in the news? What is up with you? Have a good weekend all!

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  • I think (0 / 0)

    Rebecca Walker has been unfairly vilified just because Alice Walker is a good author.  Not here, but I hear so many people slamming her.  She has every right to talk about her childhood.  Granted, I think Rebecca's pregnancy book seemed mundane (your jeans don't fit anymore?  Imagine!), but people are way overly protective of Alice Walker.  Honestly, it seems to me that she made her bed.

    It's horrifying to think of all the suffering people in Burma and China.  The numbers are staggering.  I can't even wrap my brain around it.  It's stunning.  The Burmese government needs to be taken down.

    • I agree (0 / 0)

      There are two sides to every story, and Alice, as an esteemed author, is used to getting a very big megaphone to tell hers. Seems to me she can't quite deal with her daughter telling a competing version of her tale.

      If she weren't "Alice Walker," she'd be (accurately) called a narcissist.

      I feel for Rebecca. She has every right to tell her story. One thing I've learned as a parent is that you often just have to suck it up. The correct response when your child yells "I hate you!" is "Well, I still love you." Alice is yelling "I hate you too!" How sad.

  • Poor Rebecca (0 / 0)

    Yeah, my relationship with my dad is sort of like that.  he disowned me at 16 and we haven't talked since.  He hasn't met either of my kids, and didn't call or email when we were dealing with Julian's surgery.

    Hard part is that he and my mom are still married, so she doesn't get to see us as often as she'd like.

    • Yes... (0 / 0)

      I felt sympathetic to Rebecca in this piece and could not believe that Alice Walker has done nothing to get to know her grandson. Awful.

    • That sounds very difficult (0 / 0)

      What a horrible position your Mom must feel like she's in, torn between the two of you. That is so sad, and I'm sorry to hear your father is choosing to miss out on such precious little grandchildren (your kids are off-the-charts adorable!). And that he's missing out on knowing the adult you.

      • Yeah, it's rough on her (0 / 0)

        He won't let us visit them or stay at their house, so we just sort of wait til she manages to fly up here, or we see her when we're visiting DH's family (but MIL and FIL get all jealous).

        Thanks on the kids.  I think they're cute, too, but the 2 times he's been in the room with DD ( a church christmas thing and my grandma's funeral) he has pointedly ignored her.  A hole.  He's never even been around boy-o

        What do you mean, uh-oh? Toddler & baby pictures

        by round peg inna square hole on Fri May 16, 2008 at 06:37:07 PM PDT

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      • Oh, forgot (0 / 0)

        the one time my bro was babysitting Rory and he came home and screamed at her.  Threatened to call the cops and have her hauled away as abandoned.

        What do you mean, uh-oh? Toddler & baby pictures

        by round peg inna square hole on Fri May 16, 2008 at 06:39:56 PM PDT

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        • Holy crap. (0 / 0)

          My father just ignores us. I think I prefer that. Yours sounds like a piece of work. Anyone that screams at my child has some major answering to do! Except me of course. I can scream like a witch whenever I like.

    • You seem like such a gentle loving person (0 / 0)

      It makes me feel really sad to hear this. Ugh, families. Mine is so loco that I just thank God that DH's is so nice.

      • Well, "gentle" has (0 / 0)

        never been applied to me, really, but I do love fiercely.  Dad and I were best friends until my teenage years, so it's just sad for me that the kids are missing out on him and vice-versa

        What do you mean, uh-oh? Toddler & baby pictures

        by round peg inna square hole on Fri May 16, 2008 at 06:38:43 PM PDT

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        • interesting that my dad (0 / 0)

          and I fell out around the same time as you and yours.  I had the feeling it had something to do with me reaching sexual maturity that he just couldn't handle, after we had been so close.  How about you?

          He's completely oblique with my son.  Has never sent a card or a gift, and usually doesn't acknowledge him when we see each other at family events.  DS knows it's his grandpa, and seems to have intuited that all screws are not in their appointed places.  It doesn't appear to grieve him much, if at all.  We just keep it light and matter-of-fact when talking about that Grandpa.  Once when DS was playing the piano, Grandpa sidled up alongside him and they noodled together for a bit.

          • Hmmm... (0 / 0)

            Me too. Except we didn't fall out...he just dropped out of my life. He's very proud of me and talks about me to other people all the time (so I've heard). But I haven't heard a peep out of him in a year...and then only because I was in the US and gave him a plane ticket to come and see us!

            His father was much the same...I was the best thing ever until I was a teenager. Then I didn't exist. I suspect the men in that family have some deep seated issues...

            • That sounds like my husband's father. (0 / 0)

              Until my mother in law died, she kept up with family.  Since then, he just doesn't even bother to call or keep in contact.  Ofcourse, when we go back that way to visit my parents, my husband will always stop by to visit him.  Most of the time he's just mean.  We did stop by on Mother's Day, however, and he wasn't too bad.  He guilted us into taking him out for lunch.  He just complained about everyone else to us, though.

              He never remembers a birthday or holiday.  No acknowledgment whatsoever.  

            • huh (0 / 0)

              My dad brags about me, too.  When we lived in the same town, people would congratulate me about this or that, because my dad had talked me up.  I guess he heard stuff from my brothers because he never talked to me.  Mostly treated me like something he was trying to get off the bottom of his shoe.

              What a peculiar pattern.  I have a hunch regarding misogyny, which was further cemented when, while watching a movie in a theatre that involved a man being nervous about confessing to his wife that he had had an affair, my dad stood up and shouted, "Kill the bitch!" (meaning the wife).

              Move away from the crazy man....

  • The Walkers remind me of a (0 / 0)

    mother and daughter that I used to know.  The mother was a locally well known civil rights advocate going back to the 1950's and still going strong in the 90's.  A very impressive woman.  She had several children, one being the daughter I knew, who was about my age.  One day, I remarked to the daughter that it must have been fascinating to have grown up with such a mother.  Let's just say that she remembered it differently...she told me that it was very nice that her  mother was out doing   the things she did, but that she had barely ever even known her mother because she was, well, out doing the things she did.  She sounded more than a tad bit bitter about this.  I have to admit that this gave me a lot to think about when I was trying in my own way to save the world...sometimes we need to make sure those closest to us remain a priority and that they know they remain a priority.

    Elisa, reading about your reunion with Eli almost made me cry...I can remember a couple of reunions like that myself.  You'll remember this one, too.

  • Going to See Thom Hartmann! (0 / 0)

    I'm excited! A little bummed because I'm going by myself, but with gas prices being what they are, it's closer for me to head over after work and not have DH and Lily meet me or anything. I luuuuv me some Thom Hartmann he's my radio boyfriend (Rachel Maddows is my radio girlfriend, I'm an equal opportunity radio-dater). He's doing a talk and a book signing. yay.

  • Another crazy weekend (0 / 0)

    Tomorrow is the big house and garden tour that our church sponsors every year in the historic town where it is located (if any of you live in the DE region and are interested, you can get information at the website). DH took over as chair this year and has changed the event in some phenomenal ways, including making sure all the proceeds will be donated to the Food Bank of Delaware and specfically to a program that sends backpacks full of food home with at-risk children over the weekend. I'm really proud of him, but today and tomorrow he is just going flat out! And tomorrow is my older son's graduation from his 2-year Kindermusik program; they get carnations and do a little recital (he will be playing recorder and glockenspiel). So I got a babysitter for the young one and will be going to that. We actually had to rent a car this weekend - normally we get by with one - because there were just too many places to be at the same time.

    But the nice thing is that on Sunday I'm being taken out for a belated Mother's Day brunch. It will be nice to relax since we've got something going on every weeknight evening next week. May is just too busy for my taste!

    I'm sure those cuddles were just the sweetest Elisa. My second one is incredibly independent too. He's only just potty trained, but he already wants "privacy" when he goes - thinks he should be able to do the whole thing himself.

  • Seeking info (0 / 0)

    Sometimes I think we should have a general advice open thread.  So often I have a basic question to ask, and I'd love some input, but it's not interesting or important enough for a diary.

    Case in point: I'm not much of a cook, and don't really like to do it, but I'd like to do more now that DS is graduating to people food.  I know the basics like how to cook chicken and/or a vegetable, but I get really bored just tossing Mrs. Dash on everything for some flavor (and I don't really like veggies "as is" so I need a little extra flavor). I'd like a cookbook on different sauces, spreads, dips, etc. for meat, veggies, salads, & sandwiches.  I've looked at B&N a couple of times, but their cooking section seems so overwhelming when I'm a novice and I just want something easy and simple. Anyone have any cookbook recommendations?

    Also, I think I've asked this a dozen times, and can't find where I got an answer, but how do you post photos here again?  Thanks much!

    • There are some really great cookbooks out there (0 / 0)

      Two I refer to a lot for the type of thing you are talking about are the Moosewood Restaurant Cooks at Home and Jaime's Dinners by Jamie Oliver. How to Eat by Nigella Lawson is good for that kind of thing too. I also am looking at buying How to Eat Supper, which was cowritten by the woman who hosts one of my favorite NPR shows, The Spendid Table.

      One thing I do a lot too is play with spices to make them more kid friendly. I make my own curry powder and leave out the cayenne, emphasizing the cinnamon. Or with recipes that usually rely on chile powder or cayenne for flavor (like bean burritos, a favorite at my house) I replace the hot pepper with paprika - either the regular kind, or if I want a smoky flavor, smoked paprika.

    • Expat Chef's site (0 / 0)

      is great...here's thelink....

      I'm a vegetarian so here's one of my most favorite cookbooks:

      The Meatless Gourmet
      Don't let the 'gourmet' part fool you. Super easy, quick recipes that run the gamut. I love it.

      I don't know how to post photos, either. Sorry!

      • beat me to it!! (0 / 0)

        I'm a huge fan of Expat Chef's stuff, and I find her recipes work really well because she writes them as as working mom. She puts a lot of thought into constructing the recipes, so they're really approachable.

    • Some ideas (0 / 0)

      As a great all around cookbook, I really like Mark Bittman's How to Cook Everything. It's a grand title, but it lives up. And it's the kind of cookbook that tells you why the ingredients are in a particular order and gives suggestions for substitutions.

      For veggies in particular, I like Mollie Katzen's new "Vegetable Dishes I Can't Live Without" which does a nice job with quick, tasty veggies.

      You might also try watching the FoodTV show "Good Eats", which I find educational and fun.

      Don't forget to try the library. It's free, so you can just pick up a book, use one recipe (or not) and take it back, no loss.

      Instead of just Mrs. Dash, you might check out http://www.penzeys.com for really wonderful spices and spice blends, for variety.

      • As a non-cook (0 / 0)

        I have always kind of wondered why certain ingredients go together in a certain order.  That sounds like an interesting book...thanks!

      • And Bittman's other book (0 / 0)

        The Minimalist Cooks at Home. Each recipe is a basic recipe, and then he puts 2 - 3 variations on the same recipe down a sidebar.
        Then at the bottom of each recipe, he lists the accompaniments and those recipes are also in the book.

        And that's not all! He then also tells you what wine to serve with each meal (or sometimes a beer).

        Awesome cookbook for peeps who don't want to think too hard about it.

    • posting photos (0 / 0)

      I post mine by having a free account at photobucket.com. I don't particularly LIKE photobucket, but it does the job. Upload pictures, and there's even a link premade for you that you can copy and paste. You need to use the one that looks like
      <img src="blah">

      where blah is the address of the photo on photobucket.

      • Question (0 / 0)

        Does it have to be photobucket?  I have a bunch of photos on the Walgreens site, which lets me copy, but when I get here, it won't let me paste.

        Dang it, I know I did this successfully once about a year ago, but for the life of me I can't remember or figure out how!

        • Has to be either photobucket or flickr (0 / 0)

          I use flickr. And you may have done it a year ago, but the site changed so it's harder now. So open a flickr account and post away!

          With flickr, I had some struggles at first. You upload the photo, and then while you're looking at the photo, you click on "all sizes" at the top. Choose the size you want, and then grab the link that ends in .jpg

    • I'm a midwesetern girl (0 / 0)

      and I learned everything from Taste of Home- but it only works if you dig Southern/ Midwestern cuisine.  Wondering if you do?  Ask yourself- "Is Jell-O salad a vegetable?"  If you answer yes- you do.

      Seriously, though- that's where I learned how to cook.  Can I cook?  I guess it depends on who you ask- but there are rarely complaints in my house.

    • asdf (0 / 0)

      There are two food blogs I've recently discovered. The Pioneer Woman Cooks! and Homesick Texan. Homesick Texan has an exceptionally good granola recipe, and Pioneer Woman's apple dumplings are phenomenal. Both sites, I could sit and read for hours. You get fat just looking at the photos.

  • It's friggin hot here in the Sierra foothills. (0 / 0)

    It makes me so happy. We're getting the heck out of here very soon. Hee hee. It all makes leaving that much sweeter.

    • 101 in So Cal (0 / 0)

      and we're not going anywhere :(

      When's your move date?

      • 101 in May! Ugh... (0 / 0)

        It's supposed to cool down to 81 next week for a last reprieve before permanent triple digits. Phew.

        We move in late July, for maximum, delightful contrast. Sorry to rub it in about escaping the heat,.... but I can't help it!

        • hey, nothing but kudos to you (0 / 0)

          I would love to make the same move you're making but rather than feel jealous, I will instead live vicariously through you :)

        • yeah, this heat is amazing (0 / 0)

          My heat intolerant son had a little league game at 1pm yesterday.  It was his last of the season and this kid lives for team sports.  We were frantic, but we want to treat him as normally as possible so we let him play.  It worked out ok; he sat out 2 innings and we avoided a reaction.  But I don't think my heart would be able to take another game.  

  • The market! The market!! (0 / 0)

    I'm so happy!!!!  The farmer's market returned today!  DD and I went after I picked her up, and bought strawberries, free-range bacon, buffalo burgers, and my absolute addiction: feta cheese.  I have missed that cheese all winter, and I'm so ecstatic its back.  (YEs, it's pasteurized.  I asked.  :)

    DD was so cute.  She told everyone as we walked out of day care that we were going to the market.  She carried the bag of strawberries around the market, and would take out a strawberry, take a bite, and put it back in the bag. A riot, if a little wasteful.  Her face was covered in strawberry juice, and then we got ice cream, so she was covered in ice cream and strawberry juice.

    I so love the farmer's market!  And really, the prices didn't seem that bad--I was expecting worse due to the gas hike.  The meat is always crazy expensive, so that didn't surprise me.  My beloved feta went up a $1.  But the pint of strawberries was $4.  Compared to the supermarket, that's pricey, but these are local grown, huge, red and ripe.  Yum.  :)

    • Feta. (0 / 0)

      You're speaking my language.  Can't you buy it at one of your local supermarkets?  All of our supermarkets carry it, as well as our meat markets and produce markets.  And guess what?  I just had a pizza topped with feta cheese!  Does it get any better than that?

      I've found our local produce market usually is quite a bit cheaper.  I can usually buy organic products there for the price of "regular" at the super market.  Ofcourse, considering its Ohio, what I buy is not always local...but those local strawberries will soon be coming in!

      • This isn't your ordinary feta! (0 / 0)

        I cannot figure it out, but this feta has this great tang that hits right at the back of my tongue, that no other store-bought feta can replicate.  I have no idea what they do to it, because its not flavored at all.

        I may have to freeze some and mail it to you, tjb!  But then I'd ruin you for the rest of the feta.  :)

        • Ohhh.....feta in the mail! (0 / 0)

          The feta I buy at the produce market is better than what I usually get at the grocery.  But, I'm not knocking the flavored fetas either...gotta love the basil and garlic!

    • strawberries (0 / 0)

      Tessa, do you have a backyard or a back deck or a balcony? If you do, you can buy strawberry plants and have a great crop of straberries by mid-summer. Seriously, strawberries are as easy as, say geraniums. Just look for plants that are "non-runner" varieties, get a biiiig pot (I have a terracotta pot that's about 20 inches across), put in some good potting mix and voila. All you have to do is keep them well watered and feed them with liquid plant fertilizer once every two weeks or so and you get beautiful strawberries by about August. I love my strawberries!!

      • I've got hanging strawberries! (0 / 0)

        I bought the Digger's Club hanging gardens of strawberries. Two lots of them. And the snails can't reach!

        • we are seriously the same person (0 / 0)

          Honest to Jebus, we are the same damn person in two bodies, C! I bought one of those hanging gardens, too - The Cambridge ones! If it works well, I'm gonna buy more next year.

      • Hmmmm. (0 / 0)

        Good to know.  We do have a deck and a backyard.  I've been trying to plant things with DD, but I ultimately dislike gardening, and the local rodents seem to be thwarting me.  the sunflowers we planted are no shows.  Course, they could have gotten washed away in all the rain.  Who knows.  But I'm open to trying this with DD, because she gets a kick out of planting things....

  • Sex & the City movie (0 / 0)

    I'm reading my trashy Entertainment Weekly and they are drooling over it.

    I kind of missed the whole S&tC thing because it got huge right around the time our first child came along and I was not following much on TV at that point, plus we never had HBO... plus I never quite could relate to the fashion obsession.  Now it is on cable but I don't want to Tivo it for fear my 7 year old will try to watch it when I'm not paying attention.  I've seen a couple of episodes but that's about it.

    Any big S&tC fans out there?  Is it worth renting it to try to catch up with the phenomenon?

    • Before kids... (0 / 0)

      My girlfriend and I had a weekly SATC date. She'd come over, DH would make us pizzas and Cosmopolitans and vanish into the study. We'd watch the episode and then have a girly chat afterwards. Lovely. I always really liked the show...although it wasn't any part of my life that I've ever experienced. It was still great chick fun...and I laughed out loud over several episodes. I'll still never forgive Carrie for being so awful to Aiden though. :)

    • Huge fan here (0 / 0)

      I think it would be worth it to rent them, certainly. You could watch them two or three at a time, to make them movie length. I watched a couple of episodes last night on on demand, I must admit! I miss that show. I used to have two other couples over every Sunday night to watch the last season. The last season of SATC was incredible TV - but watch them all from the beginning! I used to shout advice at the characters - like I said, huge and crazy fan :). Then again, I was an urban single girl until I was 37, so I lived a facsimile of that life - minus all (most!) of that actual sex and incredible wardrobe, unfortunately :).

      That said, my friends and I have a consensus that the movie can't live up to the glory of the series. We're keeping our expectations modest.

    • I'm a fan. (0 / 0)

      And I am planning on going to the movie opening weekend, if only to show there IS a market for a movie with four older women as the stars.

      Renting?  I dunno.  I liked the later seasons better.  Rent season one and see if it holds your interest.

  • what a great day!!! (0 / 0)

    This has been just the nicest day. First, it's rained all day (hooray, garden. Hooray reservoirs). Second, we went to the Melbourne Aquarium this morning. It was Jess's first visit and she was totally enraptured. They've built a massive plexiglass enclosure with a walk-through tunnel and put sharks, rays and various oceanic fish through there (and a couple of random sea turtles that have been rescued and are being rehab'ed for re-release into the wild). We were all oooh-ing and ahh-ing over the marine life.

    Finally, I got a call from one of my dearest friends, a woman I worked with in London. She's nine weeks pregnant!!! We had a lovely chat and she wanted some advice on handling the NHS. She seems to have had a fairly good time of it so far - nausea, but not vomiting, and not too exhausted. I couldn't be happier than if it was my own pregnancy. I'm just grinning from ear to ear. Now I have to e-mail her this URL with hopes we can get another lovely woman to join our show!

    So from beginning to end, what a great day!

    • What is it about (0 / 0)

      kids and aquariums?  Our zoo has a really nice large aquarium in it.  Every trip there has to include a trip to the aquarium.  We spend a lot of time in there.  (Plus, it helps that the place is air conditioned and during hot summer days is a nice little refuge).  They also have a small coral reef area where kids can touch sea urchins, horseshoe crabs, etc.  

      Glad to hear you got some rain and had a good day.  And congrats to your friend!

      • I think it's (0 / 0)

        the close proximity to a wholly different world. Most children I know (at least Jess and all of the children here on MT!) have very vivid imaginations and already spend a lot of time during the day imagining other worlds. To be up close and personal in reality, well, it must be like being given the keys to a new castle. I was so moved watching Jess press her nose up against the various displays and laugh at all the different colored fish (ok, yeah, a lot of fish were named Nemo, unsurprisingly), and how excited she was to bunch her fists up like jellyfish moving through the water! I also know for me, I was thrilled to the core to be in the plexiglass tunnel, as if I was in the ocean myself.

        • grin... (0 / 0)

          We have a great aquarium ten minutes from our house (and I've been to the Melbourne one...also great!). So my kids have been going there on rainy days since they were about three months old. As babies, they love the colors and lights. As toddlers, they love to run shrieking (cringe) through the shark tunnel with the moving walkway. As older kids...well they just love it all. Especially the touch pool and the seals.

          Our favorite game as a family is "tickle the shark". We stand in the glass tube through the shark tank (it also has rays, turtles, and lots of fish), and when a shark comes past, we hold the kids up and they "tickle" the shark or turtle as it goes over the tube. Hours of fun. :)

    • I love (0 / 0)

      hearing that a friend is pregnant.  Especially with their first baby.  It makes me giddy.  Congratulations!

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