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Update on Affair That Ended In Pregnancy

Thu May 15, 2008 at 01:35:53 PM PDT

God I love the soap opera that is Berkeley Parents Network. Remember that letter I published last week about the husband who had an affair that resulted in a pregnancy? The wronged wife wrote BPN, wondering how they could fit the child into their lives.

Well, the responses have started trickling in...

i believe G. Getty had a secret family. i hope you are VERY wealthy. you found out a few weeks ago? um, this is a lifetime commitment. i am an optimist but this sounds disastrous unless you and hubby and the other mom are the coolest folks on earth. when our relationships are rocked we all seek an explanation. in my humble opinion you are in the denial phase. consider your needs as you work through this.

This is EXACTLY what I thought when I first read her letter! She sounded way too calm, as if she were numb and in denial. Here are more responses:

I admire you, for your selfless perspective, thinking first  about the baby and the families' futures. From your letter, however, it seems that your husband and his mistress are as concerned to keep their relationship as the baby. Be wary of this! But for the baby, what should be decided first is for him or her to live in a single family, preferably with a two-parent family. One of the following needs to be decided: whether you and your husband adopt the baby, or whether the mistress (assuming she's single) gives the baby up for adoption to another family. If you adopt the baby, it is the birth mother that will be driving the long distances for occasional visits. Either way your husband will need legal recognition as father. You have already decided that you and your husband should not divorce - presumably because there are other children that should not live without a two parent family. You have already done the right thing for your children, and hopefully your emtional strength will help your husband's child as well!

I completely agree with this writer:

I'm sorry to hear about your story. I also realize you are asking for advice on how to make this work. I kept on thinking and realized there's no way for this to work and let me tell you why: your husband has a pattern of cheating and there is a pattern of you forgiving him. You even say you are not too caught up in the affair right now. He's going to therapy bc. he's scared of what's ahead. But my gut feeling is that once he gets out of his shock he will go back to his old ways. The woman is in another city; he had an affair with her two years ago and again a few weeks ago. How do you know he won't cheat on you again when he goes there in the future? Why have 'they' decided to keep the child without asking you, the wife and mother of his current child? If the woman is pregnant that means he didn't use protection: he didn't mind putting you at risk of getting a disease, he didn't mind that by putting you, and himself, at risk, your child might end up with sick parents...or no parents at all. How are you going to explain to your child what happened and how are you going to explain you condoning that? We judge people by their actions, not their words. And, up to now, his actions tell you he's very likely to cheat on you again and maybe get someone else pregnant. What will you do then? I honestly do not judge you bc. I believe that for you to put up with something like and allow him to do that to your child it must be bc. you are scared to be on your own. I'm hoping it's not that he makes a lot of money and you don't want to lose your current position. I am divorced myself and it's scary but it's very possible and there's a light at the end of the tunnel. If he's willing to be responsible, then he will support your child after you divorce him; if not, then he will not be responsible while you are married to him either. I worry bc. this is not a new thing: he consistently cheated in the past: it's not shock that's making you forgive him. Have you considered doing some therapy? Do you have family, friends in the area? I feel really bad for you but a million times worse for your child. Pls, sit down calmly and with as much hope as you can think of and think of yourself, but MAINLY, of your child: you have to; he's obviously not thinking of either of you. I trully wish you good luck and the strenght to do what's right for your child and yourself.
It takes strenght

I grew up with a lot of machismo and saw many wronged wives suffering in silence. This husband put his wife at risk and has clearly shown what he thinks of her. Where is this woman's pride? Grow some cojones and move on, mujer!

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  • I felt so bad for this woman! (0 / 0)

    I felt terrible for this woman when she first wrote in. I think you're right that she was in denial and trying to keep a brave face up, but that's just me perhaps projecting. I also thought, "Gee, who knew Eliot Spitzer had a midwest mistress." (ba-dum-bum, ching)

    Maybe I'm too parochial or projecting too much of how I would react, but I don't know how the hell she can make this work without a lot of self-abdignation. I couldn't fathom it and I couldn't accept the fact that my husband will have an enduring relationship with a woman with whom he cheated. But I admit that I'm pretty traditional when it comes to marriage - monogomy, faithfulness, etc. Polyamory is not for me/us.

  • The woman who is (0 / 0)

    all about the 2 parent family...that the only options are for wife and cheating dirtbag to adopt the kid or for the mom to give it up for adoption makes me boil inside.  What, the mom can't raise the kid? Yes, dirtbag will have visiting rights and child support, but how is that bad for the kid (other than having a dirtbag for a dad)?

  • my take (0 / 0)

    she needs to get the hell out of there, and FAST.

    her child watching her being treated this way will only teach him/her that it is cool, and it is NOT.

    We cannot defend freedom abroad by deserting it at home. - E.R. Murrow

    by lorin on Thu May 15, 2008 at 03:57:02 PM PDT

  • what a mess (0 / 0)

    i just went back and read the original letter-

    i think she'd be nuts to let her husband go to visit the other child/woman w/out her

    i don't think most men consider sleeping w/ former girlfriends and wives cheating, and this guy most definitely would sleep w/ her again

    and i think men who are caught cheating w/ one woman haven't just cheated w/ that one woman- just like drivers who get a ticket for running a stop sign ran only that one stop sign

    that poor woman

  • seen this movie before... (0 / 0)

    and most recently with a friend whose husband has clearly been conducted an affair for last 3 years. my friend has convinced herself it is entirely an emotional affair not physical,but every indication says differently. she worries about disrupting her children's lives, yet she knows that their lives are already in chaos due to the tension. it's hard to watch.

    i have been there.  divorcing my dd's father was the hardest thing i have ever done. but living in denial and disrespect is no life for anyone, mother or child.

    my advice would be to empty the bank accounts and put them into your name, get hold of all the financial statements and assets and hire a very good lawyer.   a reminder... hubby has been squandering the marital assets on the other woman(women) in case she should feel in any way squeamish in doing the above.

    • asdf (0 / 0)

      Imo, an "emotional affair" is worse than a physical one. One can argue for lust on the spur of the moment. But three years of emotional involvement is cheating your spouse of the focused attention they expect after a wedding ceremony bonds two people together.

      My advice is one step further than parentalunit1: empty the bank accounts and take the cash to an undisclosed family member, who will hold said cash without putting it any accounts. Everything on paper is traceable.

  • re: 2d family. (0 / 0)

    I also love BPN but just flinched when i saw this letter.

    How awful for the kids, all of them, no matter how you slice it. The OP was waaaay too numb to own up to the fact that her husband is a serial cheater and that she should get a really good lawyer and  dump his lying, cheating ass.

    The best predictor of future behavior is past behavior.

  • she could check out polyamory resources (0 / 0)

    If "the wronged wife" decides to keep down this path, she can call on the "polyamory community" for some support. The alt.polyamory community on USENET has some good resources on (1) how in complex relationships you have to communicate EVEN more (2) how to have multiple partners in a principled way (3) handling jealousy.

    Having said that, in this situation it's a bit too late for honesty up front and all the other things in the "official" poly philosophy. And of course I know some polyfolk who don't follow the guidelines either. But it's an ideal that's out there.

    I would urge the wife to take whatever time she needs to listen to her gut. (Scientists have just discovered there are nerve endings in the stomach - which I've felt for ever.) This is NOT a "head" problem!

    • (my favourite guideline) (0 / 0)

      Des histoires: when I was married, my husband decided unilaterally that he wanted to be poly. (So I read up on it - deciding his was a marginally classier statement than "I want to start sleeping around". And I appreciated him TELLING me.)

      The poly guideline that I liked best was (paraphrased) Don't get any more complicated, or go any faster, than all parties in the relationship are comfortable with. In other words, the "slowest" person sets the pace. A few of my (now) ex's partners didn't follow this guideline when I was the "slow one", but I'm following it still. Monogamy is very important to my current partner and so that's what we are.

      Whew, that was a digression. Hope the woman in this story figures out what feels right for her and her kids and acts accordingly.

      • it's an interesting digression (0 / 0)

        but if I was a member of the poly community (which I am not), I would be less-than-pleased to have this guy claim kinship as a way of disguising a$$hat-ish behavior. Seems to me the guy is just sleeping around, not trying to build a mutually respected, respectful poly union.

        Again, I do come from the perspective of being different-strokes-etc, but knowing that polyamory is not for me at all.

        OT, how are you, M? How is the partner and DSD? Are you still going to Curves?

        • * waves * (0 / 0)

          Hi Rachel! I keep meaning to post on your lovely exercise thread, but am shy as we are not yet training for a race! I liked Curves, but DP could not get on and off the machines as quickly as they needed, so we joined Fitness First. It's about 20 minutes away but they are allegedly building one very near us, with a pool.

          (As we drive by Fernwood, which is closer, on our way to our current FF, DP sometimes muses out loud how we should have checked that out...)

          Both DP and DSD have personal trainers and it's going well so far. The head trainer took DP on himself because she has so many interesting interlocking problems, and has designed lots of personal workouts. (The only problem was he was pushing her bad knees too much, so we had to get her physio to tell him to back off.) DSD's main problem is not caring that much, so she got a much younger zippy trainer who boxes with her. She is also seeing a dietitian, whom she lies to about what she eats. (I am trying to decide whether to open side communications - but the scales do not lie so maybe I just need to chill for a bit longer.) Meanwhile I am going to the group classes - Les Mills and yoga and suchlike - and doing my own lifting from what I remember from my program in Boston, sets I get off the internet, etc. - I am having the most fun of any of us. When we get more money I might go for a trainer too, esp when I get to a plateau.

          Gah, it's winter already! Hope you and the family are all well, and talk to you again soon!

      • Eeeek (0 / 0)

        I would freak if my husband came to me and said he wanted to be a polygamist. Oh my gosh. That must have been a shocker.

        • well.. (0 / 0)

          at least it would have been an upfront discussion.  not that it would have changed my reaction as in...don't let the door hit you in the ass on your way out.  but that's just me.  there are plenty of open marriages and likely some even work :)
        • Yes (0 / 0)

          Yes, I was shocked. I thought our prenup covered EVERY darn thing (money, religion, housework, children), but we had never discussed monogamy.

          To be fair, we already had kind of a weird marriage, but it got a lot weirder at that point. I hung in for another 7 years - combination of "I still really like the guy", low self esteem, and inertia (had a great job, active in church, lots of distractions).

          He had never wanted kids, so I am thrilled that my current relationship includes very active step-parenting. Despite the heartbreak - this is what I had been missing out on! :)

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