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Spanish Defence Minister's Maternity Leave

Thu May 01, 2008 at 11:08:09 AM PDT

In many ways, Carme Chacón is the same as the rest of us mothers or mothers to be who try to balance career and family. Chacón, 37, is seven months pregnant with her first child. Unlike the rest of us (unless there are some very illustrious lurkers out there!), though, she’s having to negotiate maternity leave in headline news, because her job is as Spain’s defence minister.  

There has been no announcement as yet on how long Chacón will take for her maternity leave. At least, none that I can tell from a cursory read from Google.es’s news summations. She has also fulfilled the travel component of her ministerial portfolio – as recently as Tuesday the 29th, she was in Sarajevo, visiting Spanish troops. I feel for her – I was still travelling when I was 7 ½ months along with Jessica, but boy, it wasn’t any fun at all. And having to walk around reviewing the troops while wearing heels, Ministera, se respeto mucho!

Chacón may be the most prominent woman in Spanish politics at this precise moment, but she is not alone in the cabinet  - Prime Minister José Luis Rodríguez Zapatero has appointed a majority-women cabinet, the first in Spain’s history, and the first in democratic history, to my knowledge. This is well within his political character, according to this Time article:

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By now, no one should be surprised by Zapatero's commitment to gender equality. In his first term, he passed a sweeping law against domestic violence, legalized gay marriage, eased divorce laws, and required political parties to practice gender parity. He also appointed equal numbers of men and women to cabinet positions, and named María Teresa Fernández de la Vega as his deputy prime minister.
This time around, the prime minister, who was re-elected on March 9, appointed more women than men to his cabinet. He also created a new Equality Ministry, charged with ensuring fairness in the workplace and continuing the fight against domestic violence. "For the Socialists, gender equality has become a sign of identity," says Maribel Montaño, secretary for equality during the previous administration.

But for all the preparation, the sight of Chacón inspecting troops on her first day in office, with her rounded belly covered in a stylish maternity blouse, came as a jolt. After walking firmly past a line of erect soldiers in their dress uniforms, the minister gave a brief, adulatory speech, then led the troops in a rousing cheer of "Viva España!"

I have a shiver down my spine and tears in my eyes just reading this. Chacón is Spain’s first woman minister of defence, and she has no military experience.

Of course, there is never a move forward without the retrogressive backlash. Newly returned Italian Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi has a crack at the new government as below:

Referring to the fact that the Spanish prime minister, José Luis Rodríguez Zapatero, has just appointed Spain's first female-majority cabinet, Berlusconi said on Wednesday that "Zapatero has formed a government that is too pink, something that we cannot do in Italy because there is a prevalence of men in politics and it isn't easy to find women who are qualified ... He will have problems leading them. Now he's asked for it."

Typical. Thanks, Sil. Next time we want the geezer opinion, we’ll come back to you. In any event, congratulations to Ms. Chacón. I hope she weathers the rest of her pregnancy in good health and negotiates her way through her family/career balance with aplomb.

Tags: politics, Spain, Carme Chacon, maternity leave, pregnant, feminist, work-life balance (all tags)

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  • Good for her (0 / 0)

    I wonder if Donald Rumsfeld had been pregnant, if we would be in the state we're in today.

    • Do you remember John Ashcroft being deathly ill? (0 / 0)

      It was hardly even noted in the press, and certainly there was no kerfluffle about granting him leave to be in the ICU or in docking his salary or any of those other issues that pregnant women regularly encounter.

      The only reason we know about it now is because Alberto Gonzales was trying to get him to sign an authorization in his semiconscious state over the objections of his deputy.

  • Great story (0 / 0)

    I really like what Zapatero is doing for the position of women in Spain - and a minister of defense to go on maternity leave must be a first as well.

  • Why is the lack of military experience relevant? (0 / 0)

    I mean, I guess it is a bit, but I don't feel like every time a man gets defense, it's analyzed whether he's served in the armed forces. If anything, it's a logistical position, certainly not a combat one, I'm not sure I feel military experience is necessary.

    And Berlusconi is an ass. At least the Italians seem to take him about as seriously as the rest of us should, which is to say not seriously at all. Idiot.

    "You're never more alone than when you're alone in a crowd."

    by Expat Briton on Thu May 01, 2008 at 12:40:12 PM PDT

  • On a slightly different topic (0 / 0)

    I saw an article online today that said a new study was surprised to find that a great many pregnant women stay at their job until just about the moment they give birth. Surprised?  That didn't surprise me at all.  Everyone I know does that.  I did it, unintentionally, but I was at work four hours before DS was born.  At the time, I was still fighting HR for 8 weeks of unpaid maternity leave, rather than the 6 they were offering, because I couldn't find a daycare that would take an infant younger than 8 weeks.

    I'd almost like to find those researchers & give them a kick.  I'd bet $100 there were no working moms on that study or they would've said, "Duh...let's spend the research money on something else."

    • no kidding (0 / 0)

      My expected due date was a Monday, June 7th. I worked until the Friday before. It was a press week too, my last week, so my editor was a little nervous that I'd suddenly go into labor while writing a front page piece! So I spent time making sure I never left any unfinished articles when I left for the day. When we closed the magazine and sent it to the printers, they all got me a big bouquet of flowers and a note thanking the baby for holding off until post-press day!

      However, what we find normal in the US is not typical elsewhwere (surprise, surprise). In speaking with friends in London and Paris (at the time) and now in Australia, most of my friends who have had babies stopped working at least four weeks before their due date. I'm sure you won't be surprised to hear that in London, they have six months maternity leave with a 100-pounds-per-week minimum maternity stipend; France has six months paid maternity leave as well (don't know the multiple). Australia has six months unpaid leave, but give a $5,000 "baby bonus" - yeah, flat out cash in the bank account - when the baby's birth is registered. Kinda changes the equation, no?

      • Sweden (0 / 0)

        I believe Sweden & possibly Norway has a combination of 18 months of leave that can be used by either parent, however they wish to divide it.  I think that's an awesome way to really get men involved in parenting when the child is very young.  Other countries think our maternity policies are barbaric, and I heartily agree.  

        • Norway has a really good one (0 / 0)

          I visited with cousins with young kids in Oslo. The woman took a year off (80% pay from the government) and then the man took six months off after that, when she went back to work. By the time I visited, their child was 2 1/2 (now she's going on 7, eek!), and they'd both obtained flexi-work arrangements; he worked two days a week from home (and mind you, he was like a financial director at his company - a fairly high up management position), she had a teaching job for four days a week and there was a creche at her school as well. It sounded fantastic.

    • When you've only got 6 weeks leave (0 / 0)

      And it's 6 weeks recovery postpartum, it's not like there's any choice.

      Though I worked to my due date, not until birth, which was about a two week interlude.

  • Spain has a 37 year old defence minister?? (0 / 0)

    Boy, that explains so much.

    That's ridiculous.  She's two years older than ME, and I am sure as hell not ready to be SECDEF.

    Otherwise, you go girl.

    • what do you mean (0 / 0)

      "that explains so much"?

      • European defence is highly dysfunctional. (0 / 0)

        The planning, the budgets, etc.  They have very little independent capability, really. They cannot defend themselves, and that is the fundamental reason to even HAVE a military. (And I'm talking Europe here, not the individual countries.)  The only place more idiotic in its defense planning is Taiwan, honestly.  Which also can't defend itself.  It just lives in a slightly more dangerous part of the world than Europe, so it has less excuse.

        I was being a little heavy on the snark here, because I find the culture of youth in our current administration and apparently in Spain to be over the top.  I'm sorry, there is NO WAY a 37 year old woman OR man has enough experience and perspective to be head of the defense establishment in any country (or any cabinet ministry, really).  I like the line in the article from the unnamed military officer saying they would treat her "with more delicacy."  F' that!  They are going to run roughshod over her, because she doesn't know enough to even recognize all the bureaucratic BS they'll try.  I'd like to know how much experience she has with dealing with the military, the article didn't say.  I'll have to go look up her CV.

        Whatever happened to taking your time to learn your field?  The point person in the White House for the Iraq War in the beginning was a 32-year old woman.  She had the most influence by default of her proximity to Shrub on a lot of the post war planning.  I'm sorry, but is it any wonder that the "peace" has been such a disaster?  I don't want young people running the damn show!!!  Expat Briton wants to know why the lack of military training is relevant--perhaps not the training, but the exposure, experience, and fundamental understanding of how a military thinks and operates is critical to that job.  And, frankly, for a first time woman DEFMIN/SECDEF, she's going to be hampered in the respect department if she didn't serve.  Its a credibility thing, at least in this country.

        /rant off.  apparently I have a touchy nerve on this.  Huh.

        • is this based on your (0 / 0)

          professional experience? Am I remembering correctly that you've got a specialised job with the DoD? Please correct me if I'm wrong.

          • Yup. (0 / 0)

            I've spent 10 years working day in and day out with the military.  I would not have the confidence to take that job.  Having just scanned her bio on the ministry's site, it seems she has ZERO prior defense experience.  She is going to have lots of fun at her first NATO summit.  If she's not on maternity leave, that is.  This smacks of a stunt on Zapatero's part.

            • I can't comment from a military POV (0 / 0)

              obviously. I know that from a political POV, the EU is in a weird place right now; there has been a push from some members (Germany and France come to mind, if I'm remembering correctly) to consolidate diplomatic/military responses to a single "EU" entity, rather than have country-by-country responses. I'm not sure how this move is progressing; obviously, the UK was very opposed to the suggestion at the time, and I think with the new EU countries, it's going to be even more difficult.

              Perhaps Zapatero is trying to further that agenda by de-emphasising the position of MoD? After all, he pulled Spain's troops out of Iraq after being elected, and as far as I know, Spanish troops now act as part of a concerted effort in places like Kosovo and such

        • Well, it doesn't help.. (0 / 0)

          ..that the US establishment has a vested interest in scuppering any attempts to unify European command structures. Logistics is expensive, command and control is expensive, and the ideal solution would be to combine those functions across nations (the European Rapid Reaction force was an attempt to do this, and Washington killed it through political pressure).
          All that said, European defense policy is pretty much entirely built around treaty. No one country can defend itself on its own. Yes, we know that. Even the UK with the largest military in Europe can't. But who would we defend ourselves against? The Russians? No amount of spending is going to help us against them. How about China? Ditto (although, er, they'd have to reach us first). Or America. Frankly, if Europe and the US end up at war we have a whole other problem. So then you have to ask yourself what the point is? I'd argue firstly, it's interventionism. Individual countries can mount small operations on a humanitarian basis (think Britain in Sierra Leone, or France in Liberia). Larger operations need multiple countries, and this is, yes, where we fall down. Because of the expense of maintaining larger C&C capabilities by country, our collective capacity is way less than it ought to be. The obvious answer is to combine that capacity outside of NATO so we can conduct larger operations like we saw in Bosnia without the need for the US, but the US stands in the way of that because it'll weaken their influence. I'd argue that's a mistake - we hear complaints that we always need the US to help in European operations, and it's true. But until Washington stops standing in the way of greater integration at a European level, it'll stay that way. If the US wants out of this business, they have to give a little.

          Re: Age. I think that's a difficult one. I know a number of women involved in government younger who I'm certain could hold their own in the bureaucracy (and oddly, no men that I can think of). I don't know much about Spain's military culture. I know the US seems to have a problem with military officers wanting to run roughshod over their civilian counterparts, but because that's the case here, why are we so certain it's also the case there? I'm firmly of the opinion that part of the problem we have in military operations is too much micromanagement from civilians anyway: you tell the military what you want them to do, they say what they need, you either answer "I'll get you that," or "we need to do something else," end of story. The civilians shouldn't be dictating strategy anyway, because it's never going to be their forte.

          "You're never more alone than when you're alone in a crowd."

          by Expat Briton on Fri May 02, 2008 at 07:57:55 AM PDT

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          • You make a lot of excellent points, here. (0 / 0)

            Certainly, Washington is an impediment to further EU integration on defense issues.  But Europe has some problems that are solely its own--the attempt to build the strategic airlift that fell apart is dominating my head right now.  Europe can't have full integration, IMHO, until it gives up the nationalism driving some procurement decisions, i.e. jobs at home.  The dickering over how that plane was going to be built was impressive.

            As for Spain's military culture, you again have a point that the military cultures differ between Spain and the US.  While I don't exactly think "roughshod" is the right word, the bureaucracy offers a myriad of ways to wait out a civilian boss who is likely to leave in a few years.  Mind you, I am a huge fan of civilian control over the military, and only a little bit because I am a civilian in the defense field.  Some of the best military strategists are civilians, and there are many, many smart folk out there who have actually never served.  But they've STUDIED.  A lot.  This woman in Spain seems to have no exposure to military issues previously, and that's just bizarre to me.  Please let me say, I don't care that she is a woman.  I'd have the same objection to a 37 year old man being appointed.

            • full integration (0 / 0)

              seems to be, to paraphrase Oscar Wilde, the triumph of hope over reality. I enormously respect the Europeans for trying to overcome centuries of nationalism, but wow, it's difficult. I studied EU political structures as part of my masters - concentrated in economic/trade policy and diplomacy - OMG.

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