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Is It Okay To Lie To Children?

Wed Apr 09, 2008 at 12:03:49 PM PDT

Newsweek's Kathleen Deveny recently wrote a funny confession of the lies she tells her children, including Santa Claus and this gem on the Eliot Spitzer scandal:

When my daughter asked me why it was embarrassing that former New York governor Eliot Spitzer was involved with a cowgirl ring, I didn't hesitate. "Bad lariat tricks," I explained. She looked a little confused, but let it drop. I know that I'm not supposed to lie to my kid, but I didn't feel like explaining prostitution to a 7-year-old.

Like all parents, she admitted it isn't the first whopper she's told her daughter. In her column, she examined when it was appropriate to lie to children, which made me cringe at some of things I've told my son, but validated my other fibs like Santa.

(Psychologist Alan) Hilfer assures me that Santa and the tooth fairy are not (necessarily) the stuff of future therapy sessions. Instead, they fuel kids' imaginations and make holidays more magical. Children long to believe in these stories, and parents like me are only too happy to accommodate them. Coaxing children to lie in order to spare someone's feelings—"tell Grandma you love the pair of socks she knitted for you even though they're really scratchy"—is also perfectly acceptable, according to the pros. In fact, the ability to understand these kinds of "pro-social" lies is a positive developmental milestone for children, according to Victoria Talwar, an assistant professor at Montreal's McGill University and an expert on children and lying. It shows they have developed empathy and have begun to understand that there is a world beyond them.

OTOH, experts disapproved of so-called "lies of convenience," like telling your four-year-old in the middle of a tantrum at Target that there's no money for another Transformer -- I don't know anything about this -- or calling Santa on his cell phone to tell him your four-year-old is misbehaving (again, not me).

Even though I think that what most parents lament about this particular white lie is that it can be employed effectively during only a few short months, it actually represents abdicating parental responsibility. "That's asking Santa to do your job," says Wendy Mogel, a child psychologist in Los Angeles. "That's asking Santa to do your job. Santa's job is to get down the chimney and eat the cookies. You have the courage to say 'no' to your own child."

The other lie of convenience Mogel disparaged was false praise. Praising every single one of your child's works takes away self-motivation, Mogel said. She recommended asking children about the process -- for example, why they chose the colors that they did for an art project -- rather than praise every single thing that they do.  

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The age, in which fibbing stops working is around seven or eight, Deveny wrote. It's good to know I have at least three years to stop calling Santa on his cell.

Like most parenting advice, the truth about lying is both slightly obvious and nearly impossible to follow. I'd like to think I've lied for the best of reasons—to make a holiday extra-special or because I really meant to leave work early and spend time with my child. But I've also lied because I was exhausted and wanted to avoid an argument. By 7 or 8, experts say, most kids understand the intentions behind a lie, which puts me right in the danger zone. So I'm going to try to stop lying to my daughter because I want her to trust me, and because I don't want her to learn that lying is an effective strategy for dealing with the adult world. Even if that's the sad truth.

Okay, now it's your turn to 'fess up. How do you deal with the urge to lie to your children in those trying moments?

Tags: Newsweek, Kathleen Deveny, lies, Santa Claus, parents (all tags)

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  • What about (0 / 0)

    profuse but not false praise?  I always tell my son he is doing a good job when he does stuff for himself.  

    I wrote a whole Toastmaster's speech about Santa Claus.  I don't understand why people regard that kind of practice as a lie.  Are we so out of touch with our own mystic tendencies that we have to hate on folklore now?  Nobody's under any obligation to teach their kids about Santa.  But if you're not giving them any traditions like that, you're culturally impoverishing them.

    • Cultural poverty (0 / 0)

      I don't agree with you on that, although we do talk sometimes about Santa and my kids clearly want to believe in him even though I've never pretended it was real.

      There are plenty of ways to pass down imagination, traditions, history and cultural heritage without it having to be something imaginary.

      We're not religious, either, but I don't think my kids are any more "culturally impoverished" than I was growing up in a nonreligious household.

  • I agree lonespark! (0 / 0)

    Why must everything be so literal with people? I think myths help fuel a child's imagination; it opens them to possibility.

    • My very bright 9-year-old, (0 / 0)

      who has a killer sense of logic, figured out that Santa is a myth a while ago. However ... she still seems to believe in the tooth fairy and the Easter bunny. Clearly, she wants to believe in these characters, and she still continues to support the Santa myth when she's around her 5-year-old sister. I won't do anything to disillusion her ... the world will do a very good job of that on its own, I am sure!

  • Yes. (0 / 0)

    Not only do I lie to them, I often just make stuff up.  It's none of their damned business who ate their hallowe'en candy.

    "As God is my witness, I thought turkeys could fly"

    by lonestar canuck on Wed Apr 09, 2008 at 12:35:36 PM PDT

  • not enough money (0 / 0)

    i used to tell my son we did not have enough money. then he would parrot that back to me and i realized that it was teaching him a poverty consciousness.

    so now, instead, i talk to him about how we need to make wide choices about what we buy. we may have the money, most definitely for a two dollar toy, but we should choose to save that and spend it on something more worthwhile.

    not sure if it is getting through to him, but in time i hope it does.

    as for calling up santa, i totally do that. shoot me. that time of year is stressful and any extra tricks i have i use!

    We cannot defend freedom abroad by deserting it at home. - E.R. Murrow

    by lorin on Wed Apr 09, 2008 at 12:36:10 PM PDT

    • that should say (0 / 0)

      "wise" choices.

      We cannot defend freedom abroad by deserting it at home. - E.R. Murrow

      by lorin on Wed Apr 09, 2008 at 12:37:06 PM PDT

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      • good idea (0 / 0)

        one of my best friends who I think is a terrific, awesome parent used to say things like "are we making good choices?" or "that's not a good choice, we need a time out to think of good choices". I try to parrot that all the time in regards to behavior for DD, but it makes sense to talk about purchases in that frame of mind too- as in, you can make choices, but try to make good ones.

    • We talk trade-offs (0 / 0)

      I tell him that if we were to get "this thing" then we wouldn't be able to get/do/buy something else.  And I make it a real dollar trade off so that he gets that money is a limited thing and we have to choose what to spend it on.

      "We've GOT to make noises in greater amounts! So, open your mouth, lad! For every voice counts!"

      by progressiveinky on Thu Apr 10, 2008 at 12:44:15 PM PDT

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  • Ok, ok...I confess. (0 / 0)

    I've made a few calls to Santa.  Or, sometimes, I just implied that Santa KNEW...no call necessary.

    And remember...kids are often very literal.  One of my son's favorite stories is to tell how he really believed that he was going to grow a long tail and big ears when I told him that was what would happen if he ate cat food.

  • I've heard some great 'stories' (0 / 0)

    Especially from one particular friend who told all her kids that if they swallowed their gum, they'd fart bubbles.

    Also, when her daughter was about 1 1/2, she learned how to unbuckle herself and stand up in her high chair and the grocery cart. No amount of cajoling, extra restraints or punishment fixed the problem. So the mom finally told her that if she did it one more time, monsters were going to come carry her away. Problem solved.

    I didn't know whether to be horrified or filled with admiration, but I totally understood her desperation.

    In our house, we make a distinction between telling stories and lying to achieve a dishonest goal. This really came home when my daughter was upset at a boy in her class who 'told lies' all the time. It turns out he was claiming his dad drove a Ferrari and was a baseball player, etc. What 6-year-old boy hasn't made up some fantasy about their father? We explained that it was really harmless storytelling and he wasn't a horrible person!

  • Don't want to be the downer (0 / 0)

    but my mother never made the distinction between "harmless" lies, and "harmful" lies.  She didn't stop when we were 7 either.  It taught me how to be a ceaseless liar in my youth.  It took an epiphany with an impact comparable to being hit with a falling piano for me to change tack.
    That is all I have to think of when I feel like giving the short, dishonest answer.
    We had to pick out our words very carefully when we had to euthanize our Rottweiler due to lymphosarcoma.  My eldest was only 2, and VERY attached to that dog.  We decided that although death may be an unattainable concept for a two year old, that we would present it to her honestly anyway.  
    Then my mother watches a movie with her that shows a dinosaur skeleton and she says "Ooooh, he's taking a nap!".
    Guh?

    • Crap (0 / 0)

      You're saying I have to fess up about the hallowe'en candy then?

      "As God is my witness, I thought turkeys could fly"

      by lonestar canuck on Wed Apr 09, 2008 at 06:47:27 PM PDT

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    • nap (0 / 0)

      I read somewhere that the worst thing you can do when explaining a death to a toddler is to say it is anything BUT death. Think of how terrifying anything else would be-
      our dog took a "nap" or is "just sleeping, so now I can't see him ever again- so I will never sleep. Or the dog went "away" so if mom and dad go away for the night, might they never come back?

      I guess on the tv it's not that big of a thing, but still.

      My mom is a liar, and like yours, never stopped. It's funny because she considers sharing her (sometimes brutally hurtful) opinions "just being honest" but little things, like pretending to be sick when she doesn't want to do something, she'll lie lie lie about. It hasn't affected me much, but my youngest brother just perpetrated a year-long lie and thought nothing of it at the time. He's got a tad o the mental illness with this one, but mom and I talk often about how lil' bro is just a very very good liar, without morals, and she wonders how he got that way. I just sigh.  

      • The nap thing (0 / 0)

        went through our minds the same way: "What's she going to think every time she takes a nap? That one of these times she's gonna disappear?".
        Every single euphamism was like that.  It's why we said "Well, I guess we just have to call it what it is".
        By the way, she totally got it.  
        Your mom and mine should have lunch some time.
        My mother has never stopped fibbing either, and actually rewrites history.
        She has rewritten my childhood.  Like I wasn't there and don't remember it in detail.
        Pftthhh.
        She also wonders about my sister's inability to be honest with herself.
        hmm...

    • I don't know where my lying comes from (0 / 0)

      My parents are very honest people.  But I have my mother's discomfort with confrontation and my father's obsessive thinking and difficulty with decisions.  My father's decisiveness was a reaction to his father's extreme indecisiveness when they were both dealing with the same decision-making anxieties.  But I got in the habit of lying about things great and small to deal with my problems with communication and trust.  

      I have no idea how to influence my kids to be honest.  I don't even know if I can be a role model that way, although I know I need to.  And even that might not be enough.

  • Santa & the Tooth Fairy (0 / 0)

    I read the nicest quote about Santa from a man who designs Christmas decorations: "I think of Santa as more of a concept of joy and happiness in unexpected places."  This has stuck with me for some reason; I guess it tells me that I could believe in Santa forever if I want.

    Or maybe I got that from my mom.  When I was 7 or 8 and struggling with the concept of the Tooth Fairy, I asked my mom if it was real.  She said, "It's real as long as you believe it."  That was what I needed to hear, I guess, because it let me off the hook without being traumatic.

    Of course, a few years later, when I really didn't believe, my mother said, "Look, if you want to keep getting gifts from Santa, I'd stay quiet about it around your younger brothers if I were you."  That was all the bribing I needed!

  • I don't lie to my children (0 / 0)

    At least not direct lies.  But I often use avoidance and redirection to skirt the truth.  I talk about Santa as though he were real, but when asked point blank whether Santa is "really real" I gave a long and convoluted discourse about the stories people like to believe in. I think he forgot the question by the end; in any case he still believes.

  • Really Fun--talk to your adult children (0 / 0)

    Some of our best dinner discussions with my 20 and 22 year old daughter and son concern Santa, Easter bunny, etc. and what they believed and how we as parents handled it all.  Lots of times kids figure it all out very early but go along with it to humor US the PARENTS!  My daughter was like that.

    But we discovered we unknowingly created a fear in our daughter.  Around here (Seattle) we have a seafood restaurant (Ivar's) that used dancing clams to advertise.  On TV you'd see these giant clams with human legs dancing and then in local parades, people would wear the dancing clam costumes.  Our daughter thought they were real.  I am certain my hubby told her they were real.  I mean she'd figured out Santa so what's the harm, right?

    Only after she grew up did I learn she was terrified of the dancing clams and feared she would see them when we went to the beach!  

    I had no idea.

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