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Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 08:16:43 AM PDT

Randi Rhodes was suspended from her Air America talk show yesterday in response to some clearly ignorant remarks she made towards Hillary Clinton, Geraldine Ferraro and Dina McGreevey. I'll get into what she said after the jump since it isn't even something I want to post on the front page.

For those who don't listen to Air America or the show, I'll give you my take. Randi Rhodes was the first "progressive" talk radio show host I listened to, and the reason I tune in to WCPT 850 in Chicago (go progressive radio!) She is crude and edgy and really really pissed off about the War in Iraq. While she was the reason I started listening to the station, she was also the reason I started getting podcasts of Thom Hartmann, so I could listen to someone else during her time slot. She is not unfamiliar with being suspendedfor content. Most recently, she let loose with her "true feelings" about Hillary Clinton and her presidential campaign and the rhetoric became... monotonous at best, even for a hardcore Obamaniac like me.

I thought a discussion about Ms. Rhodes' suspension was timely due to some recent discussions on this blog about polite discourse and appropriate discussion in certain forums. The details of her suspension are pretty clear, but definitely discussion worthy.

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So first, see the video the video if you can- the language is not safe for work.

Apparently, Randi was giving a stand-up like performance for a San Fransisco  radio affiliate where she made comments that Clinton and Ferraro were"f*ing whores". Whether it was a public event or a private function is up for debate- it wasn't quite "open to the public" but it wasn't as if she was having a conversation at a dinner party with friends that just so happened to get taped. Regardless, a video of the routine ended up on YouTube and yesterday and Air America suspended her, releasing this statement.

Air America has suspended on-air host Randi Rhodes for making inappropriate statements about prominent figures, including Senator Hillary Clinton, at a recent public appearance on behalf of Air America in San Francisco which was sponsored by an Air America affiliate station.

"Air America encourages strong opinions about public affairs but does not condone such abusive, ad hominem language by our Hosts," said chair Charlie Kireker.

Seeing as though an on-air personality can be suspended for suggesting Chelsea Clinton was being "pimped out" by her parents, it's no shock to me that Rhodes's rant has ended in a suspension. What has many panties (boxers, thongs, high-cut briefs and pull-ups alike) in a twist is the forum where the comments were made- unlike Imus and Shuster, she wasn't on the air at the time. Her routine was more stand-up than political, and the language, while unwise and quite frankly, lazy, wasn't much different than any stand-up routine. This morning there are a lot of people who are angry that she was suspended from her job for doing something "off the air." I say, eh. That's kind of weak. She is a famous personality, her show is centered around her personality and political opinions, and her words on air and off are a reflection of the show.

Which brings me to my point. If there is a lesson of this week, I think it's this: you can say whatever you want to say, but you're gonna pay the consequences. Sometimes those consequences are that your boss is going to fire you; sometimes, it's that you're going to start a flame war in a relatively peaceful blog. We here are the queens of snark (with a king or two thrown in the mix) and sarcasm, but like I titled my post about Obama, words matter. I personally find the claims that Rhodes' suspension is somehow and affront to the First Amendment laughable at best. If my brief stint as a wanna-be journalist in college taught me anything, it's that the First Amendment protects you from being prosecuted by not from dealing with the ramifications of your tone, your words, your spoken thoughts. And I don't think that's such a bad thing- learning to censor my thoughts has taught me to listen better, to take in points I may have spoken over when I was younger, and that respect, above most everything else, keeps discourse at its highest level.

Tags: radio, manners, tone, first ammendment (all tags)

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  • Randi Rhodes... (0 / 0)

    In general, she is so rude.  Am I wrong in feeling like she didn't used to be?  I remember before he hysterectomy, she was snappy but kind.  I noticed a huge change after that.  She only gets away with it because she's so brilliant and informed.  

    Yeah, but unacceptable about Hillary Clinton.  Can we please remember that the enemy are republicans, not each other?

  • Is there any such thing (0 / 0)

    as a "private" affair these days?  Maybe that's the lesson we should take away from this.  Unless its whispered in bed, under the covers, maybe we should not believe that anything we say won't be somehow overheard and repeated.  Back in 2004, Whoopi Goldberg lost several bookings and commercial ventures when she went on such a rant about George Bush at a democratic fundraiser.    If a republican had spoken this way about Hillary, we all know we'd be demanding some sort of similar response.

    And I'm sorry...as a woman, I am offended when I see women spoken about in such ways.  We haven't "conquered" sexism, and quite frankly, most of us feel like we have to fight on a regular basis not to be viewed as a set of walking, talking reproductive organs.  You don't like Hillary?  Fine.  Find other ways to criticize or mock her.

  • McGreevey? (0 / 0)

    What did she say about Dina McGreevey?

    IMO, Randi Rhodes has always been over the top, at least on the air.  I never liked her show, ever.  It was just too much for me.

    I think your point is right on.  You can say what you want, but there may be consequences.  And when people invoke the First Amendment for every little thing, it only makes it clear that they don't understand what it is.

    (BTW, M., I think you do a very good job on here of covering events that are hard to talk about.)

  • I empathize with the anger. (0 / 0)

    During this administration there have been countless times that I have gone bonkers with the unmitigated EVILLE (meant to say like Montgomery Burns) that Bush and friends turn out every damn day.
    I understand the diarrhea of the mouth that happens when one is so ticked off about these injustices.
    That being said, when Randy Rhodes is kept within the context of her radio show, I feel like she can more eloquently relay her opinions.  I have found that people turn their ears off to you once you lose focus and just start yelling obscenities.  
    I think Randy Rhodes is great in her particular idiom (I think I just said "keep your day job"), and this just sounds like she wanted to get on stage to get all of her "F" words out.
    Like MTers, I'm sure Air America was devoted to keeping an intellegent, civil and open platform for all of us to benefit from.
    I wouldn't doubt that they weren't, achem, "Feelin' it".

  • So that's what happened (0 / 0)

    I wondered why Sam was on again yesterday so soon after she just took a vacation.

    Man, I love her...but..this was certainly grounds for a suspension. Yes, it was "off air", but it was still an event sponsored by the local AA Affiliate and therefore associated with them directly. Also, she's savvy enough to know that it would be videotaped one way or the other. For her not to think it would end up on you tube is just plain dumb these days.

    And when I say I love her..she makes em cringe sometimes, but I generally like how she pushes things and challenges her listeners. I actually love when she goes off on a more comedic type riff - but this was just lazy and crude. She's so much more intelligent than that drivel!! Ugh. Too much Amber Boch in her system that night I guess.

  • There are things you don't know .... (0 / 0)

    ... and that I don't know, either.

    First of all, she has given this "cussing" gig several times.  No problem.  Why now?  I think you can guess why.

    Secondly, Air America is NOT liberal.  Do they have some liberal talk show hosts?  Yes.  But since they drummed out the ones who thought up and started Air America (The Drobneys), it has gone downhill fast.  They got rid of most of the really funny, cutting ones.  (Marc Maron, Mike Malloy, Thom Hartman, Mark (can't remember his last name -- was the partner of Marin), Sam Seder (not completely out the door yet, but went from a daily show to one day a week).  And there are more I have forgotten.  Say and believe what you will, but Air America is NOT liberal.

    Look at your radio talk shows now.  How many are unabashedly LIBERAL?  A handful.  Thousands of right-wing talk shows.  Just this week, Sacramento lost all its liberal talk shows -- and went to gospel music.  Why?  Because they could get no advertisers.  You would think businesses would want to advertise on a station that got super ratings.  Not so.  The liberal talk shows had very high ratings.  Still no advertisers.  You can guess why that is, too.  Cut off your nose to spite your face.  And exactly why CNN went into the dumpster after Ted Turner sold it, along with MSNBC.  Most of their talking heads are GOP, or GOP-Lite.  How long was Tucker Carlson given time on MSNBC?  4 shows?  More?  Finally, they scrapped his show, after years of very poor ratings.  But he will still be on.  And Keith Olbermann, who has great ratings (best of all of them on MSNBC, I think) is still alone in his liberal program.  When Tucker's show was taken off, why didn't they give the slot to Rachel Maddow?  She is sharp, always knows her stuff, and (VERY important to teevee), is young enough not to have gray hair.  (Funny how men aren't required to cover the gray.)  But no -- just like they say about Obama:  "She hasn't paid her dues yet."  EXACTLY!  That is one reason why she is good -- new blood!

    It is laughable how, when Fox's numbers drop, the others try to imitate them.

    Third, comedians (Randi was doing a comedy schtick) are the ones who can always (through history) speak truth to power.  (Lenny Bruce anyone?)

    I swore I would not get into this Hillary vs Obama rap again.  But since it was brought up, through this article, I will.  Geraldine Ferraro and Hillary both have done horrible things.  And then they whine about others doing it to them.  I am an OLD feminist, and I will tell you, as sure as I know anything -- women will NEVER get equal rights if they whine and cry like this.  I don't think Hillary is a racist -- she just wants to win.  But I do think Geraldine is.

    Bottom Line -- I hope Randi uses this as grounds to get out of her contract with Air America, the GOP-Lite place.  And I also hope she goes to Nova-M.  Since they canned Bernie Ward, Nova-M is the only place where all liberals can go.

    I realize that, after this post, I will be persona non grata (or however you spell it) here.  So be it.  What I said was the truth.

    • Air America (0 / 0)

      That is interesting about the ratings.  I had assumed they were not doing well financially because the ratings were not high.  

      But on the topic of why there are so many right-wing radio programs and not many left ones...  Am I wrong to assume there may be a difference in what wingnuts and liberals want to listen to on the radio?

      Most liberals I know would probably rather listen to NPR than to a ranting Limbaugh-style who happened to be of the left rather than the right.

      • FCC rules and corporations (0 / 0)

        WCPT is only on sunrise to sunset thanks to an FCC regulation I'm not sure I understand. I can hear Hannity all night long. And Chicago is damn liberal. I do not think it's a case of the liberal audience not listening- before finding 820 I could not stand talk radio because they sounded so ignorant to me.

        Pres. Clinton killed small radio stations with deregulations- the corporations that own talk radio support conservative talk show hosts that bomb rather than a progressive one that kills in ratings. Why have someone like Thom that rails against big business and corporate greed when it's your bread and butter?

        • Wasn't this .... (0 / 0)

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          "Pres. Clinton killed small radio stations with deregulations"

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          ... what he once remarked about:  "Maybe I went too far."?

          Uh ... yes!  I remember when stations had to be roughly 50-50.  How times change!

          You live in Chicago?  I have fond memories of my childhood, when we could get WLS at night, in Oklahoma.  Then, I wasn't into politics, so I have no idea whether they were political or not, or which side, but man!  They had powerful signals!

      • Yes, that is true .... (0 / 0)

        ... but when I was working and often had killer commutes, I longed for GOOD liberal/progressive talk radio.  Sometimes I was in the mood for NPR, but not always. And, in my town, NPR isn't always on/accessible.

        I almost got road rage because I was forced to only pay attention to other drivers!  LOL  

        All I can say is that, at that time, it wasn't against the law to talk on your cell phone while driving!

    • persona non grata? (0 / 0)

      never :)

      I shied away from saying "liberal" and went with "progressive" because I agree, there are some views (cough*EdSchultz*cough) that seem less liberal than I'd prefer.

      BUT I love my WCPT. Thom Hartmann is still on Air America, and WCPT (which is 820 now, silly melissa). I share your love of Ms. Maddow.  

      Say what you will about Randi, and I do still support her, the suspension shouldn't shock her. And if it gets her out of a bad deal with Air America, the more power to her, I guess that's just one of the consequences too- they need not always be bad!

      I'd never heard of Nova M but I'm checking it out.

      And yeah, I have a sneaking suspicion that Geraldine has a tad of the racism bug in her.

      • Thom Hartmann (0 / 0)

        He might be with AA (or he might never have been), but I know he is no longer on the NYC AA, or is the flagship AA station gone now?  I forget.

        But something everyone should remember is that if a local station is "the Air America station" in town, they can have others, too.  An example is Stephanie Miller.  She is on many local AA stations, but is NOT a part of Air America.  I think that Ed Schultz (shudder) is the same way.

    • Nova-M (0 / 0)

      I was wondering if we would get her.  Since the Drobney's are involved, and we even have Mike Malloy!  I guess she will do what makes business sense.  

      • Mike Malloy? (0 / 0)

        I dared not mention that name here (as a favorite of mine), because I am sure most here would hate him, but he is my favorite!

        "Have I mentioned yet today how much I hate these people?"

        He is the type most at Daily Kos would like, but most at MT wouldn't.  LOL

        • I find him hard to take some days (0 / 0)

          and just right on others. Same with Randi.  Nobody uncorks the righteous fury like Malloy.

          Initially I didn't like Stephanie Miller, now I love her show.  

          Hartman is consistently good.  Generally doesn't do anything to piss me off.

          • Thom Hartmann (0 / 0)

            is a protectionist, and I agree with him most of the time.  I love how he points the finger squarely at Reagan-a lot! Especially when it's in fashion to call him "great". I enjoy Stephanie Miller as well.
            I like Randi Rhodes, and I know she was doing a stand up shtick.  THere was a comedian who died back in '94, and his name was Bill Hicks.
            He was the Jimi Hendrix of stand up, in respects to his artistry.  Highly offensive (especially in the realm of politicians and pundits), and completely liberal. Perfect delivery. He also worked for himself, so he didn't get gigs sponsered by an employer.
            I don't think Randi Rhodes had the delivery to really make a punch.  It really just sounded like a slurring rant.  I like her better on her show for sure.
            It sounds to me, and correct me if I'm wrong, that she has had friction with Air America for a while.
            I remember how ticked she was when they cut Sam Seder's hours.

            • loved Bill Hicks (0 / 0)

              his routines make me cry with laughter - particularly his take on Christian fundamentalists - something along the lines of questioning if Jesus and Mary would appreciate having the cross as one of the symbols of the religion, considering it was the murder weapon, so to speak. OMG.

              • YES! (0 / 0)

                Comparing it to going up to Jackie Kennedy with a rifle pendant.
                I have all of his CD's, I put them in when I'm driving alone in the car and laugh 'til it hurts.

                • that's the one (0 / 0)

                  I didn't want to go on and on. And then the meta next part to the story, when he tells about how he did that bit in front of a fundie crowd in the south and one of them said "Hey, Funny Boy, we're Christian and we don't like what you said." And Hicks goes "you're Christian? Forgive me." OMG, I'm howling with laughter just thinking about it.

          • Exactly (0 / 0)

            Those are the talk show hosts that are my favorites.  It depends on my mood.  Do I always feel like listening to Malloy?  No.  (But it really pisses me off when I am in a mood to want his usual schtick, and he is mellow.  haha  But let me say this -- in person, he is quite different.  I have called in, several times, and he was very nice to me.  Also, I went to a live show here, and he was extremely nice, too.)

            I know what you mean about Stephanie.  With most of my favorites, I didn't care for them at first.  It takes a while to get used to them.  And Randi!  That accent!  But, with all hosts, I don't listen every single day.  Just when I am in the mood.  And when I want to listen, I want them there!  haha

  • left vs right talk radio (0 / 0)

    Part of the definition of liberal has to do with being willing to look at things from multiple perspectives.  The old "I'm right and everyone who disagrees is an idiot for not seeing that" doesn't work so well.  So liberals who take a hard line, absolutist position have a hard time holding their audience, even diehard liberals like me.  And there just doesn't seem to be a market at all on the left for Limbaugh-style ranting, so we'll probably never have a Limbaugh-equivalent.

    The problem is that people like my brother get a warped view of the political media spectrum. To him, the poles are represented by Limbaugh and Coulter on the right, NPR and the NYTimes on the left.  (NPR and NYTimes are the furthest 'left' he is aware of, so to him they represent the extreme.)  So he figures 'center' is halfway in between.  He consider McCain a centrist.  Seriously, he said that.

    In my opinion we need people like Rhodes, even if she offends.  Perhaps when she offends is when we need her most.

    • I agree (0 / 0)

      but... when she offends because she is bringing truth to power, great. When she offends because she wants to be funny and call powerful women "whores" well, she kind gets what's comin, IMO.

      • I agree Lilianna (0 / 0)

        since when is it "edgy" to call someone a "whore"? It might make sense to call her husband a slut, but that's, you know, apropos.

        Which I am sure I just offended 1500 people right there... but I am trying to make the point that insults to women are always sexual, you're either a whore or a frigid bitch, and in Hillary's case she gets to be both. Arrgh!

        • But, to me .... (0 / 0)

          ... this is so ridiculous, it is funny.  Yes!  I am frigid AND a whore!  I guess you have sex for money, but don't really like it?

          I am always chastised for saying this, but what is wrong with being a "whore" -- if said as the literal meaning, involving sex?  I guess it is my age -- when I was 20 years old, women were coming out of that "If you have sex before marriage, you are damaged goods."  We'd ask, "Well WHO do these 'damaged goods' have sex WITH?"  Oops!  Men are studs -- women are whores.

          It is just so ridiculous.  America needs to get OFF its sex obsession.  Sex is private -- whether it be Bill Clinton, the NY gov. ... whoever.  It is between a husband and wife.  If she doesn't want to make a public deal out of it, why do the man's supporters/enemies?  And no, I wouldn't like it at all if my BF cheated on me, BUT I wouldn't want the whole world to know either.  (And no, to me, just because they are "famous" makes no difference.)

          Now, hypocrisy is another story.  When you go on and on about so-called Family Values, and comment on others having affairs (or worse -- see Clinton, Bill, impeachment), you are fair game.  I can't STAND hypocrisy.

  • I'm one of those (0 / 0)

    Obama supporters who would not vote in November if Hillary got the nom. I just think she's mostly negative and her attempts to be positive seem transparently false, IMO.

    HOWEVER, I watched the video of Randi Rhodes and felt it was an unnecessarily hateful rant without the slightest attempt at an intelligent discourse. This is the kind of crap you'd expect from a petulant child. Totally lame and uncalled for.

    I don't know that she should be suspended but she should definitely be ignored (at least on this issue).

  • She has a right to say whatever she wants. (0 / 0)

    Air America has a right to suspend her.

    This has been a super touchy election cycle.  I've even noticed it here and you guys seem to be a pretty tight group.

  • Randi Rhodes (0 / 0)

    was one of the reasons I fell in love with AirAmerica, and one of the reasons I've been searching the dial during the late afternoon.

    In the beginning of AA, she was consistently informative and ahead of the curve (sort of "our" Drudge).  When she became more like "our" Hannity - I got tired of it.  I feel like I could tune in any day, any part of the show and hear the same thing.

    I love Rachel Maddow, and I hate that she's on after 6 here in NY - by then I'm with  my DS or home, and can't listen as much.

    Still miss Franken, too.

    • Ahhh Franken... (0 / 0)

      I remember when he told a story about his black lab eating poop, and listeners from ALL OVER called in saying "OH DEAR LORD! DON'T EVER TELL THAT OR RELATED STORIES AGAIN!".
      So he spent the whole next day's opening half hour talking about it some more. Now THAT"S funny!

      • Oooohhhh (0 / 0)

        You are bad -- I love it!

        Bottom Line:  If you like to listen to a certain host, do it.  If you don't, don't.  Is that so hard?  If something offends/annoys you, JUST DON'T LISTEN.  

        My problem is that the right-wingers don't even want everyone to have someone to listen to.  

  • UGH--hate her. (0 / 0)

    Randi Rhodes is the liberal version of Rush Limbaugh.  She rants and rants and rants right out of the facts and straight into hyperbole and pedantics and inflammatory b*LLSH@T.  I gave her show a chance, I really did, I listened almost everyday on the ride home, but she just annoyed me that much.

    Sam Seder I LOVED, and they got rid of him.  I even preferred Franken's show, because he let his guests actually TALK.  I love Rachel Maddow, too, but her show isn't on during drive time, and I live in DC and the only way to get the station is on the XM in my car.

    There really is very little reason for me to listen to the station any more, which is too bad.  tjb, I loved your comment--liberals read!  How true!

  • air america.. (0 / 0)

    just can't get into it. over the top and to me same as limbaugh..rants.  i hear the argument that liberals have to fight on same playing field, but somehow i just don't buy it.

    as for calling women whores..i was absolutely livid with imus and i see no reason to cut randi whatever her name is any slack either.  cut it out for god's sakes...lenny bruce was funny back in the 60's when it WAS provacative. now comedians are just posturing to be..i don't even know what.  it isn't  new, ...it's lowest common denominator and what everyone other lame ass comedian resorts to.

    • Some of them are .... (0 / 0)

      ... some aren't.  It is ridiculous to  think all comedians of the current day are bad.  I tend to not lump Randi Rhodes in the "comedian" category.  She is a talk show host.  And, although I haven't listened to her in about a year, I know her background.  She ain't a comedian.

      • oh not all comedians.. (0 / 0)

        i love comics, and in a family full of them.  but randi's comment is just as offensive as imus'.  air america is to me, the same genre of rant that we abhor in limbaugh, perhaps not as toxic, but too similar imo.

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