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Parents charged in child's death

Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 12:02:16 PM PDT

Cross posted at Street Prophets.

I thought I couldn't get any sadder over the story of Madeline Kara Neumann, the 11 year-old Wisconsin girl who died due to untreated diabetes.  

I was wrong.

Her parents, Dale and Leilani Neumann, have been charged with second-degree reckless homicide, carrying a maximum penalty of 25 years in prison and a $100,000 fine, according to a report in the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel.

The police reports detail interviews with the couple, their family and friends.  They describe how Madeline grew sick and how the parents felt that the symptoms were due to "puberty" or a "spiritual attack" by the devil even as she became sicker and sicker.  An aunt advised Leilani to have Madeline drink Pedialyte, only to be told it would be "taking the glory away from God".  

Also notable in this report from CNN  is discussion of the parent's faith.  Formerly Pentecostals, they were starting their own ministry in their coffee shop.  Meeting weekly, there were only 5 people in their Bible Study and their views were described as a narrow interpretation of the bible.

Everest Metro Police Chief Dan Vergin said the parents once belonged to the Lighthouse Pentecostal Church but later became what he called religious "isolationists" involved in a prayer group of five people.

"They have gone out on their own," he said. "... They have a very narrow view of Scripture and I would say not many people hold to that narrow of view."

But that's not all the police reports tell us.  They also tell us that the three other children in the home all appeared healthy.  Even the family members who pleaded for the Neumann's to get medical attention say that the Neumann's were loving parents, who would not intentionally harm their children.  

Except they did harm their child.  

I don't know what I find the most tragic aspect of this case to be.  That a child suffered and died a needless death.  That the parents of the child had such a narrow and distorted faith that their actions led to that death.  That those same parents now face charges and jail time on top of the anguish they must be feeling.  That there are three children without a sister and possibly without their parents.  

As a social worker, I've read more than a few court reports.  Some of them brought me to tears, some of them made me angry and some of them made me sick.  This case is right up there with the worst that I've seen.  What differs here is that in the other cases, I was working with a child (and sometimes their parents) at a better life.  In this case, that child is gone. And while charges may feel like the way to hold her parents accountable, they can't bring her back.

Tags: Madeline Kara Neumann, faith healing, prayer (all tags)

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  • Sad, sad, sad (0 / 0)

    This story just makes me sad. Of course I think these parents failed their daughter, and the fact that they used faith to do it makes me sick to my stomach. But I don't know what putting them in jail for 25 years will accomplish. I don't know what is the right thing to do.

    • I don't know if there is a "right" thing. (0 / 0)

      In those other cases, it was easy to figure out what was needed.  Here, I have hard time seeing the parents as monsters or as victims.  Maybe a bit of both.  

      That they were so isolated and alone in their faith is what really scares me.  I know that for us, being part of a faith community keeps us on the right track.  As I said to my husband "if you ever started going off the deep end in your preaching, there'd be someone in the congregation to tell you how messed up you were".  That nobody could challenge their beliefs in a way that made them stop and think is really scary to me.

      • someone did challenge them.. (0 / 0)

        both family and friends it appears urgently urged them to take their daughter to a doctor.  this is indeed sad. there is no perfect solution here, but there ought to be consequences beyond the loss of their daughter's life.  the first responsibility of society is to protect and particularly a child. and while i hear that they were great parents, it is hard to fathom that this line of thinking is in isolation to "illness".

        i believe society must apply the law here.

        • consequences (0 / 0)

          Punishment is for wrongdoing.  It's a lot harder to justify when the parents genuinely believed what they were doing is right.  What does punishment accomplish?  There's no punishment more severe than what they've already experienced, the death of their child.

          Yes, there should be consequences.  In this case the appropriate consequence should be the loss of custody of their other children.  Not primarly to punish the parents, who have shown that they cannot be trusted with their children's safety, but to protect the children.

          • Punishment is also for consequences (0 / 0)

            I'm no lawyer, but there are laws, such as laws about criminal neglience and manslaughter, that are about the consequences of actions, rather than deliberate wrongdoing. I think that applies here.

            • which consequences? (0 / 0)

              I believe in letting the punishment fit the crime.  Loss of their remaining children is a severe punishment.  Will imprisoning these people enlighten other religious extremists, causing them to seek out medical care?  Because if not - and I rather doubt it - then society gains nothing by locking the parents behind bars.  

              Just because someone deserves prison is in my opinion not a sufficient reason to put them there.  We have far, far too many people behind bars already.  Unless they are a danger to others, the hell they're already in seems to me a fine place to leave them.  

      • Gosh...I think I understand that. (0 / 0)

        At times, I have to remind myself this in regards to political beliefs...that's why its such a relief for me to have places to go to share those beliefs and feel as if I'm still within somewhat normal limits.  

    • Oh, I know. (0 / 0)

      I think we're too quick to always want to "throw the bums in jail" in this country.  This is how we came to have such a high, high rate of incarceration and such thinking should be discouraged as much as possible.  It really is just a way of not dealing with the problems that can, and do, rise in society.  

      I could live with these parents being place under strict, strict supervision.   We don't know if they're thinking about modern medical care is different now than it was before.  I'm assuming that maybe it's different.  If so, maybe strict supervision while making sure the children are healthy and getting adequate healthcare.

      • a death of a child.. (0 / 0)

        at the hands of parents who obviously neglected her seems different to me.  the high rate of incarceration is dreadful and the prisons are filled with 3strikes and you're out and ridiculous drug offenses.  i admit to getting very riled over these kinds of crimes against children. and i strongly believe that society must have laws and enforce them in protection of children
  • What is the meaning of (0 / 0)

    a law against child neglect if an extreme situation such as this one does not bring down any consequences?

    Why have a law at all, if you don't plan to enforce it even when the result of the consequence is a child's death?

    • I don't really disagree with the charges (0 / 0)

      I am struggling with the situation, though, and am so glad that I'm not the district attorney in the case.

      I agree - we need to hold the parents accountable.  It's not the charges that make me so sad, it's the whole combination.  That there are charges and accountability does not make things right.  Nothing will make things right in this case because nothing can bring that child back.

      • No, nothing will (0 / 0)

        True, unfortunately, of any homicide or accidental death. This isn't any different.

        • That occurred to me (0 / 0)

          I was thinking in those terms and thought of families who have lost a loved one in an accident/DUI/other circumstances.  Putting the offender behind bars may provide some closure but it doesn't always heal the hurt that has happened.  

          • nothing heals this kind of hurt... (0 / 0)

            ever imo which is why it is so important for society to stand up and say it is not to be tolerated.  i think the best anyone can hope for is to live with the pain and enjoy what you can of what is left.
      • but isn't that the case always? (0 / 0)

        whenever there is a life taken the punishment will not bring back that life. the purpose of these laws is for society to state loud and clear what is tolerated, who is protected and the clear consequences.  while sad, ALL life taken whether from neglect or outright intent is still the same, tragic for all.

        i am not particularly panged by this one.  that isn't to say i don't feel very badly for the loss of that child or for the remaining children.  as for the parents?  woefully misguided and deserving of punishment.

  • Sort of like the Texas case (0 / 0)

    At some point, religion cannot be an excuse to break a law.  I think the harming of children is definitely that point.  We can argue that punishment cannot bring the child back, or make 14-year-old girls in a polygamist sect un-pregnant, but part of legal consequences is determent to others.

    I've never understood blind devotion.  Personally, I think my faith benefits from a good questioning now and then.

    • yes, you took (0 / 0)

      the words right out of my mouth and I think it goes back to what lyn posted above. The parents of the FLDS church also thought that they were genuinely doing the best for their children.

      Intention is important and perhaps there is no reason to believe that there was a malicious intent on the part of the Neumanns.

      However, good intentions do not always result in good consequences. Therefore, I don't think that totally letting them off the hook just because they had good intentions is a responsible message to send.

      • good intentions vs denial (0 / 0)

        I am having a problem defending either here or feeling particularly generous.  Can any of us imagine watching our child in pain, slipping away and despite several family and friend's attempt to persuade us to call for help, to make the choice these parents made?  it is truly beyond my ability to understand. These parents have a hard attitude motivated by who knows what, but I find it nearly inhuman. I no longer feel these parents should have custody of their other children.  How can anyone possibly monitor them enough to ensure their safety?  It seems they have relatives who love them and would provide for them.

        As for the cult in Texas.  The more that comes out about these children the more I feel that what the Government is doing is very appropriate.  These girls are being abused,and now the report isn't so good for young boys.  Plus they are finding a disturbing history of broken bones in these children. IF these parents feel this was in the child's best interest then all the more reason to intercede and take them out. It is tragic for sure but this kind of abuse begets further generations of abuse.

      • effective intervention (0 / 0)

        I'm absolutely opposed to letting them off the hook.  Not only do I believe their parental rights should be terminated, I wouldn't even grant visitation privleges unless a judge determined it was in the children's best interest (though I suspect it would be), and then only supervised.  But I think that does send a message of what our society tolerates.

        • i see.. (0 / 0)

          with you there lyn.  i can see your point about prison, although i am still inclined to apply the law and punishment.
          • the reason for my opinions on prison (0 / 0)

            My brother the prison guard believes that for many offenders the best thing you can do is lock them up and throw away the key.  But he also warns that nobody ever leaves prison a better person.  So if you're not planning to throw away that key, he says that prison is just a very expensive way to take a bad person and make him into a much much worse one.  

      • intention (0 / 0)

        I think that plays a very large role in how I view situations.  I haven't read everything about this case so may be misinformed, but I haven't picked up a sense of neglect, more a sense of terribly misguided decision-making based on religious belief.  I think if I were Judge of the World, I would recommend that the parents continue to care for their children, with the proviso that the children's medical care is overseen by either a social worker or a visiting R.N., and that someone also monitor their general parenting practices (e.g., are they excessively isolating their kids from other kids?  Is the diet healthful? Are the children adequately educated?)  The parents have demonstrated that their judgment WRT healthcare is faulty.  But do their two other kids deserve to lose their apparently loving parents?  Many child protective service agencies have nuclear family stability as a core value, and might be willing to do the monitoring rather than foster the children out.

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