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Say hello to the twins (as in, babies)

Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 08:59:42 AM PDT

(This was cross-posted at The Workin' Mom)

Say hello to the twins (as in, babies)

How did you know the "right amount" of kids you should have? Is there a perfect size of family, at least for you?

Personally, I always hoped for two, and now that I have them, I don’t have any desire to have more. I can't really explain why. I just always "knew" two felt right to me.

But one of my very best friends from childhood, Chasidy, has ALWAYS wanted a big family. Even as a little girl, she would talk about having lots of babies (and I thought she was crazy, even then! ha!).

Well, today, she and her husband, Shawn, officially have that BIG FAMILY. At 7:44 a.m. and 7:45 a.m. today, they welcomed twins -- Elaina and Eric -- to the world ... as their 5th and 6th children.

They have four other daughters, stair-steps in age from 13 down to 2 years old. Beauties, those girls. And the baby of the babies, Eric, is a handsome little man. Chasidy and Shawn feel very blessed, and I’m elated for them.

But I just don’t have the personality -- or the patience -- for all those (beautiful) kids. I love being their pseudo-aunt, but would probably have a nervous breakdown worrying about that many kids ... and that many babies! I thought one at a time was hard enough.  

What about you? How did you decide how many kids was "right?"

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  • well (0 / 0)

    ours was sort of decided for us. We had gone through years of infertility treatments and decided that whatever we got out of one pregnancy would be it. Originally I was pregnant with triplets and we lost one baby at the end of my 2nd month, so we have twins. But, DH and I have one sibling each, so I never though about a big family; two or three kids was always what i had in mind.

    It's funny how, after all we went through, people who know nothing about me will say to me "boy/girl twins -- how easy, get it all done at once." I am thinking, "you have no idea."

    Thanks for sharing the beautiful photo -- brought back many fond memories. Although, I have to say, the babies look tiny to me -- my twins were 7 lbs 6 oz, and 8 lbs.

  • There was no particular time (0 / 0)

    that we sat down and decided we were going to have seven kids.  I think we always knew we wanted at least four, but after that, it was just a one at a time decision.  I know that we thought that maybe we'd stop at six, but at about the time to make the decision a permanent one, I pulled back.  For whatever reason, I felt that we were going to have one more.  And we did.  I knew during that pregnancy that this was it. Afterwards, when I became very ill I was told that another pregnancy would be life threatening, but I wasn't at all bothered by the idea of never doing it again because I'd already decided that we were done.

    I'm still glad I had my twins first!

    • your comment (0 / 0)

      I'm still glad I had my twins first!

      People would ask me about how hard it was with twins and I would say that I didn't know any different. But I'd think if you knew what having "just one" was like, that would be another story.

      • Same goes for me (0 / 0)

        When people ask me how I was able to raise a child since I was 17, I always say, "I didn't know any better." If I had known how hard it was going to be, I probably wouldn't have handled it as well as I did. I'm sure the same goes for twins. :)

        • I had such a talk with my son (0 / 0)

          recently.  He's 20, and he and his girlfriend are expecting.  We were a little older and married when we had our first, but I told him that you just DO it...you don't spend a lot of time questioning how you're going to do it.  There's a whole generation of us who had our children while we were pursuing education, careers, etc.  It can be done....and honestly, when you're young, you don't perceive hardship in the same way as you do when you're older.

      • It's weird, isn't it? (0 / 0)

        Not knowing what it would be like to have an only child?  I will say that I think having the twins first made all my subsequent babies seem easy in comparison.  Talk about empowering!

  • DH and I met in high school (0 / 0)

    and talked this out then.  I always knew I wanted to adopt, and he always wanted 4-6 kids.  We realized we'd have no more than 2 biological children (barring twins in our second pregnancy) and then we'd adopt domestically out of the foster care system.

    Now we've got our two biological kids, and are figuring out when to adopt (after we move to Portland).

  • My best friend is pregnant with her fifth (0 / 0)

    her second girl. I am so happy for her - and so glad it's not me.

    I always knew I wanted two children. Now I think I wouldn't mind having three, but DH is done (and to make his point that he was, he went out and had a vasectomy). So we won't be having any more. I don't think I'd push him to adopt if it's really not what he wants. But I do feel pangs sometimes.

    This a gorgeous picture - congrats to all!

  • two is enough (0 / 0)

    I always wanted to have two kids because (1) I don't want an only child to shoulder the burden of aging parents all by himself and (2) he needs someone to complain to about his crazy parents who will always completely understand. I always wanted a significant age difference between them because the happiest years of my youth were when my older sister went to college and I had the house and my mom to myself for four years. Besides, it's easier this way.

    My BF is pregnant with her third-- on purpose! Her oldest will be 3 when it's born, her middle child will be a mere 18 months. Sounds like a recipe for crazy to me but everyone has their own reasons, and she's very happy, and that's all that matters.

    • I was an only (0 / 0)

      for almost 10 years.  My dad was an "only".  A few years before my first brother was born, my grandfather (mother's father) died.  I think that's what decided my mother...she's very close to all of her sisters, and she's often said that losing a parent would have been much more difficult had she not had them.  

    • asdf (0 / 0)

      I've known adults with siblings as far apart in age as 8 years or more, and ones as close to their sibs in age as your friend's children. I don't think either way has a special advantage as far as how much they'll like each other.

      • As someone who's closest in age (0 / 0)

        sibling is almost 10 years younger, I will say that I wish that my parents had had another child sooner.  I feel as if I missed out on a lot of what most consider to be sibling bonding.  I love both of my brothers, but I feel as if I missed that shared experience of truly growing up with them.

      • 7 years (0 / 0)

        between the brother I have been closest to. 2 years between the other brother and I. So I think it's more personality and less age that determines sibling closeness.

  • Love the picture!!! (0 / 0)

    The complications I had with my second child decided the number of children we would have for my DH.  He can't handle the thought of losing me, so he says he's done.  We have considered adopting more, but with our incomes being what they are, we feel we can comfortably provide for the two we have now (college, ect.), and if we added any more kids, we would move from "comfortably providing" to "just getting by".

  • We struggled with this (0 / 0)

    after we had DD. Now 5 years later we are 7 months pregnant with another little girl. I was so happy with Darling Girl, so fulfilled, I just didn't know if we needed to add anything else. I admit, even this far into the pregnancy I still have moments of blinding panic, "What have we done?" "Can we handle this?" "What will happen to our family?!" but mostly I am really excited.

    Its sad to think though this will be the last time I am pregnant. But I am a sucker for endings, they always make me blue.

    • Your feelings are natural (0 / 0)

      and normal.  With each pregnancy, I went through a phase of thinking "how can I do this?"....it usually involved thinking about feelings I had regarding my youngest child.  It felt almost as if I was betraying that child.  Those were very bittersweet feelings.

      • asdf (0 / 0)

        It is pretty hard to realize you're taking that special "baby of the family" status away from a child, isn't it? With 4 boys and then a girl, my youngest boy has retained a smidge of that status because the baby (who turned two last Friday!) is the only one of her gender, and defies any other qualifications besides "princess" or "pest".

      • Yeah... (0 / 0)

        Our daughter has had 5 years of our undivded attention and now for better or for worse (or for both) I am utterly upending her life. And ours too I guess. Then I think I should have had another sooner, because she would have had a "real" playmate... grrr. Its like circular logic, wrapped in an enigma, twirled like spaghetti! :)

        I watch my friends with multiple kids and its so cool though to see the kids together. It is bittersweet, very.

        • there's almost 6 years (0 / 0)

          between my sister and I. I know that I suffered the pangs of sibling rivalry and was quite vocal about it, but I always loved my sister and was so glad to have her! So, there you go.

        • I was 5 when my sister came along (0 / 0)

          and to be honest I barely remember anything before her.  I feel like I've always had a sister.  I'm sure we had our moments when we were younger but I don't remember fighting a lot - I know I grew up a little slower maybe (like playing with dolls much longer than my friends) but I don't know if that's a bad thing.  We are still very close, we probably know each other better than anyone else in the world, which is a nice thing to have with someone you love a whole lot.  I'm sure once you get over the new baby shock it will warm your heart to see them being "sisterly" together.  My favorite times with my 2 boys are watching them build their relationship with each other, even if they are mostly bonding over butt-crack jokes and their hatred of fairy princesses :)

          • Thank you (0 / 0)

            Rachel and Hazel. I appreciate some insight into what DD might be experiencing here. I was so close in age to my siblings we were raised basically as triplets, so this is completely out of my wheelhouse!

            I am glad that you still felt a sibling connection to your younger sisters. My fear would be that they felt they came from two different families.

            • all depends on how you raise them (0 / 0)

              DH has three siblings - a twin brother, a brother that's five years older and a sister that's nine years older than he. My PIL definitely put a lot of parental responsibilty on my SIL - she was in charge of "the twins" from practically the moment they were born. She is an incredibly loving woman, and doesn't harbor any resentment to DH and his bro about that. But at times, it does seem like she takes a very motherly view of DH, rather than a sisterly view.

              OTOH, my parents were at the opposite end of the pole; they wanted my sister and I to be close, but they never wanted to make me feel like I was a quasi-parent to my sister because they didn't think it was fair. I can certainly remember the time pre-sister, but I don't have any memories of resenting my sister because I had a ton of responsibility shoved onto my shoulders.

              Ultimately, sibling relationships are partially what you and your husband foster in terms of dynamics and ebb and flow, and partially what your daughter and your second child make of it themselves.

  • The babies are beautiful of course (0 / 0)

    but I'm really loving the smiles on Mom and Dad!

  • asdf (0 / 0)

    It's not like we set out to have five kids, a family you can hardly buy a house to fit, a family you need a minivan to tote around, a family that draws stares in public.

    I didn't want #1 to be an only. He was born just before I turned 20. When #2 was born, I knew right away that we'd have more kids. I was still in the hospital in the day or two they give you after the birth, and talking about the spacing for #3, and they thought I was crazy. We were enjoying our three boys so well that we decided to have #4. He was a boy, and dh had always wanted a girl from the first time.

    After four boys, I wanted my daughter to be twins because it would have been so nice for her to have at least one sister to grow up with amongst all that testosterone. Well, the pregnancies with ds#4 and dd knocked something off kilter in my hips to the point I could barely walk during my last pregnancy. I couldn't have another if I wanted. And somehow, while I was expecting her, it felt right that she was our last.

    Now I'm 35, and my youngest is at the same stage the others were when we'd add another sibling. I truly have no desire for more, no wistful longings, no indecision. Done.

  • three, but (0 / 0)

    I'm one of four, DH is one of three.  We both always said three was the perfect number.

    But with two our family feels complete, just right.  I sometimes think it would be nice to add a third - I never did get that daughter we'd planned on - but we haven't reopened the conversation.

  • what a lovely photo! (0 / 0)

    Congratulations to your friend. They look over the moon!

    This is an ongoing discussion between the two of us. We're working on making #2, so we're at least going for two (touch wood). I think DH would like at least three, as he's one of four. But I'm one of two, and I think I'll kind of feel done after two. But I can't say that for sure yet; I think it's a matter of just feeling "that's enough."

  • congrats to the very happy couple! (0 / 0)

    wow, they really do look ecstatic.. how sweet.  and they look like pretty good size twins too!

    we have 4 kids.  when i was younger, i wanted 5.  then when i adopted two as a single mom, i knew two was perfect.  even after i met my husband, i had no desire to adopt or give birth to more.  but a surprise pg which ended in miscarriage changed all of that.  suddenly, i was grieving for a baby who had slipped through the birth control pills.  charlie was conceived in the weeks after that miscarriage, not trying to conceive, but not trying to prevent either.  i am a terrible pregnant woman... sick the whole time, not enough room for the both of us, etc.  so i was never gonna be pg again ever.  once charlie was born, i almost immediately wanted 4... i know a good bit of that must be hormonal.  i was very much looking forward to adopting our 4th child.  well.. despite advanced degrees in our heads of household, we just never got very good with birth control... and a missed vasectomy ended in another pregnancy when charlie was just 8 mos. old.  i am now very, very glad it worked out this way, but if you had asked me a year ago, in the misery of pg and a summer full of bedrest with three little kids to take care of, i'd have had a very different answer.  abby was well worth all of that, i can now say in hindsight.

    but i find myself still wanting to adopt that child i thought we would before abby became a possibility.  i can't quite let go of the idea of a family of 7.  but honestly i keep trying to ask myself how much of this is my complete addiction to babies.  i LOVE babies. i just love the giggly, smiley, sweetness that comes with not being able to talk.  each baby in our house was more demanding than the one before, but i would still love 100 more babies to come our way (though not through my body, thanks).  yet what i keep trying to ask myself, in my best grown-up voice is, will i really want 5 kids?  talking, needing, arguing, sharing, wanting, PEOPLE who have more complicated needs than rocking and feeding and smiling and waving.  if i am honest, i think four is probably plenty in that department, but the idea of this being my last baby is heartbreaking.  i need to work in a nursery.

    • I have that same baby problem (0 / 0)

      I love babies too.  Ever since adolescence, I just can't get enough of them.  And my 2 kids were so close together (I got pregnant by accident when my other was 8 months too!) that the baby phase went by so quickly.  They are 5 and 6 now, I'm back working, and we really don't want the whole baby lifestyle back again, not to mention that it would set back our retirement 5 years.  And I don't know if I would be good with more actual children, I feel like I'm barely handling the 2 I have.  But, oh, the baby lust.  It makes me so sad to think I'll never be pregnant again and never again hold my baby in my arms.  Does that mean in my heart I'm not done or would I feel the same after 15 kids?  I guess I won't be finding out...

    • I used to have the baby problem... (0 / 0)

      I got around it by telling myself that while I wouldn't mind another baby, I really didn't want to raise another child.  Two entirely different things.

      • they really are 2 different things (0 / 0)

        It seems like once you get past the worries of the first baby, there is less angst with taking care of babies than older kids.  Although, maybe it's just because I haven't had a baby for 4 years so I forgot that part :)

    • Funny... (0 / 0)

      How different people are. I don't like babies very much. They don't talk. They don't do very much. I much prefer an interesting two or three year old. I love it when they suddenly turn from being babies that don't talk, toddle around and fall constantly, and aren't in any way reasonable, to being these amazing little miniature human beings. Very cool.

      Mind you my two year old boy is currently for sale. His nickname is destructobot.

      I know that I'm done. I would consider adopting, if I could get a child that was 15 months to two years old. But then I worry that they'll never recover from the early months of  not being with me (and whatever happened to them along the way). And there's the whole "can't fit in the car, can't fit in the house" problem. Plus I'd always wonder if my inlaws would love their biological grandchildren more than the adopted ones (my parents as well for that matter). So we're done. Hating pregnancy and babies really doesn't lead to a big family! Besides, I'm ready to get my life back soon. The independence is coming. I can feel it.

      • Hmmm (0 / 0)

        Maybe you could work out some kind of deal with slackermom, hazel, or tjb?

        • i'd take that deal! (0 / 0)

          i have several friends wanting to adopt toddlers and i keep saying i could grow their babies up into toddlerhood for them.  yet i've loved all of the ages so far, so it would probably be tough to relinquish a sweet toddler, or even a destructobot.  talk to me in another ten years when i have a house full of teens and tweens, and i will likely feel very differently.  

      • me too (0 / 0)

        I left the house yesterday for the first time in nearly two weeks (except for doctor visits, and this was only to pick up my older one at preschool) and the word that kept popping into my mind was "furlough."

        I will hold my baby til my arms fall off but really I can't wait for her to be able to walk by herself. And talk in complete sentences.

        • I feel your pain (0 / 0)

          Mine were two years apart. The past two years have been the hardest that I've ever had to live through. I remember being terrified when I was pregnant that I couldn't pull it off. And depressed and overwhelmed when the baby did come and I had to figure it out. And, like you, I will hold my babies and breastfeed and do anything else that I have to until I have nothing left to give. And to be honest...I'm just about at that point. But DS is two now, and I can see the light. It's coming. My life will return. But there is no way that I'm going through this dark time again.

    • or maybe be a foster parent (0 / 0)

      for infants?  Or would it be too hard to have them for only a short time?

      • I've thought about that (0 / 0)

        I think it probably would be too hard.  I think I could take care of a baby for a week or two and be okay giving it up if I knew he or she was going to a safe and loving family.  But after a year, or more?  It would be rough for sure.  I guess that's why it's such a good thing to do, though, you know?  Most people couldn't even try.  Something to think about...

      • It all gets back to taking a village. (0 / 0)

        I think that's what we've lost, more than anything. When we had real community, I'm not sure it would have mattered so much how many kids you had, because kids were communal. Those who love babies would probably have had near constant access to them, ditto toddlers, ditto teens. Distance and our social structure messes with that dynamic, so if we don't have our own, we don't get that contact, we can't scratch that itch without our own kids (or grandchildren). I think that's a real loss, as well as making things tougher for parents especially if there's a stage they're less good at dealing with (for me, it would be anywhere from toddlerhood through to when we get more abstract thought - I love babies, but I struggle to simplify my thought processes when I'm communicating verbally).

        "You're never more alone than when you're alone in a crowd."

        by Expat Briton on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 09:32:25 AM PDT

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  • Age decided (0 / 0)

    I had my first at 37, and if I am going to have another, which I'd like, it better happen any day since I'm now 39.  But two sounds right to me.  I have a cousin with five (twins at the end) and a friend with five (triplets in the middle).  They are wonderful kids, and seem a lot better behaved than many kids I know from smaller families, but there is no way.  I just know it's not in me, although who knows how I'd feel if I'd had kids younger.

    When my mom got pregnant for the third time, I was 4 & my brother was 2.  She wanted a larger family, but her mom took my dad aside and said, "What are you doing?  You know there are things you can get at the drug store to prevent this!"  My dad said, "I'm not forcing her, she wants more."  But they stopped there, although I've never asked her why.  I even begged them to try for a sister when I was 7 or 8 and they said, no, we're done.  So when you know, you know.  

  • All I know is (0 / 0)

    I don't feel "done" yet in any way, shape or form. I yearn to have another baby. I too am a victim of the crazy baby lust...never knew until I had my first how much I would love it!

    We've decided on two kids, hopefully. But if we won the lottery tomorrow, I would happily have a couple more.

    • Me, too (0 / 0)

      I don't feel "done" yet in any way, shape or form. I yearn to have another baby.

      I have two but would really like one more - it just seems like someone is missing all the time. Perhaps because I'm one of three? DH is not convinced - says he's content. However, we did talk, albeit briefly, about adopting recently. We'll see where that goes.

  • I'm done...with being pregnant. (0 / 0)

    Sadly, for me, its not about the number of kids--its the number of pregnancies.  I'm already on one more pregnancy than I wanted, but the miscarriage only inflicted two weeks of misery.

    So far, knock on wood, I'm 19 weeks and all is well.  No problems at all were seen yesterday at the ultrasound.  So, it seems our family will be complete when our son is born this fall.  I could add one more child.  But I can NEVER go through pregnancy again.  I'm too sick, I'm too miserable, and DH has to take on too much to get me through it.  And unfortunately, DH is not on board the adoption train.  So, its two for me.

  • My car was full. (0 / 0)

    "As God is my witness, I thought turkeys could fly"

    by lonestar canuck on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 06:20:02 PM PDT

  • LOL... the perfect number was two for us... (0 / 0)

    But with one 4yo son and, ahem, unexpected twins on the way, that number's been upgraded to three....

    We bought the minivan today, but we're hoping they'll be staying inside until, oh, late September or so... (due date in mid-late Oct).

    We really didn't want to be outnumbered. So much for that plan!

    -Cheryl

    • Good luck! (0 / 0)

      I managed to make it to 34 weeks with twins and had a vaginal delivery.  Natural childbirth...no drugs.  And it was my first pregnancy.  I was told that prematurity in twins seemed more prevalent when it was a first pregnancy.

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