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Girls Night Out

Sun Apr 27, 2008 at 06:49:25 AM PDT

I don't have very many female friends. The ones I do have I've had for over 10 years, and have been with me through thick and thin. But, our relationships are not as "tight" as they once were. I remember the days when I would be on the phone for hours, just planning our next night out. Yeah...those days are pretty much over. We are all in different stages of our lives, and our paths are not crossing the way they once did.

My friends are amazing women, but lately we don't seem to have much in common. We do make it a point to get together a few times a year, but as time passes...it just gets harder and harder to find the time to schedule a night out. I often hear how important it is to maintain outside adult relationships, to assist with the objective of not losing YOU. So, does the fact that I enjoy hanging out with my kids make me a freak? Don't get me wrong, I enjoy a good "Girls Night Out" as much as the next person. In fact, the picture I've attached is from a recent night out with Erika. We got together to see Margaret Cho's stand up...and we had a great time. So I do manage to get out and spend time with amazing women...but lately, most of these women seem to be members of my family. Is that bad? Do I need to step out of the protective bubble of my family and sustain the relationships I've developed over the years?

What about you? How important are adult relationships to you? How old are the friendships that you've been able to sustain and...how do you do it? Also, how often do you get out without your kids for a "Girls Night Out"?

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Tags: Relationships, Friendships, Family, Nuturing (all tags)

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  • Great Diary Gloria... (0 / 0)

    It is tough to maintain adult relationships when your kids are little, particularly as a single parent. Your diary reminded me of how lonely I sometimes felt when I first moved to SF with my dd and without a partner. I relied on family for a good 3 years and any friend relationships were conducted at work. It is very hard with little kids.

    Over the years and as dd has gotten more independent my time with girlfriends and  some men friends has grown substantially.  I have girl friends who have much younger kids than dd as well.  Here are some ways in which we keep contact:

    1. We formed a Mah Joong group!  None of us knew a thing about the game,but my friend introduced me to her Chinese friend who has played since a kid.  So she taught us the game and 4 of us get together once a month.  We spend the first 2 hours eating as we all bring food and then we stay up till 1 am playing and yakking.  Great fun.  Reminds me of my grandmother's Bridge Club..which btw I hear is coming back!
    1. One friend and I took a 2 month  (once a week) meditation class together.
    1.  Another friend and I make sure we get together for dinner at least every couple of months
    1.  Several girlfriends who I used to work at same company with have lunch together regularly.
    1.  And a couple of friends are from east coast. Many of us travel on business so when we travel to one anther's cities...we make sure to at least have a drink together.

    One way I keep close contact with friends is through regular email coorespondence which helps keep the relationship live and fresh.
    It gets easier as you get older. And I found it really works to invite around an activity.

    Love that picture of you and Erika.  That looked like a fun night out.  May you have many more :)

    • That's just it... (0 / 0)

      I'm not lonely. I've come to rely on my family for my adult stimulation. I go out and have "me" time with my sisters and Erika, primarily. That's not to say that I don't go out with my girlfriends, but most don't have children and it gets harder and harder to relate.

      You offer some great ideas on ways to sustain these relationships. Thanks for that!

      P.S.  Thanks for the comment on the picture! We did have a great night!

      • i get it... (0 / 0)

        and know what you mean about enjoying your family.  what i meant about sometimes feeling lonely was the weekends when my dd was with her father, well sometimes early on i felt i was missing out. most of my friends had kids too and just weren't available. however i loved being with dd.  i guess there is a season for all things.  and what i found was later when my dd was more independent i got connected again.
      • just remembered one more :) (0 / 0)

        after giving birth to my dd my two closest friends drifted away, neither of them had children.  and one of these friends had a miscarriage while i was pregnant with dd.  they both lived close to me in montclair,nj and it was hard to lose them.

        however, i reconnected with them both after moving to SF and we are once again very dear friends.  i missed them when dd was a baby,but i am very grateful to have them back in my life.

  • it's just where we are in life (0 / 0)

    the gratification that comes with going out with the girls diminishes next to our myraid of other jobs; sometimes it just feels exhausting to even contemplate a night out. I'm sure it gets better.

    Most of my own girlfriends are scattered across the country, but many of them are in Austin, which is one of the things I'm looking forward to in this move (3 weeks and counting!). Being stranded for so long, I can't even imagine what it will mean to have good friends nearby, the kind of friends who will just drop in on a whim. I can't wait!

    if you wobba cypress trees then I will wobba you

    by thais on Sun Apr 27, 2008 at 10:57:10 AM PDT

    • I'm SO happy for you! (0 / 0)

      It's an awful feeling being "stranded" and far away from family. When I was pregnant with Cristian, I lived in a remote town about 2 hours away from friends and family. THAT was awful!

      It was great coming home.

  • Over the years (0 / 0)

    I've always had good female friends, but it dwindles more and more.  It makes me so sad, because I love having girlfriends.  I never laugh more.  I think I've had so many female friend relationships and breakups that I have some serious trust issues.

    However, I have a couple of good female friends.  It's hard to get together, but I think a little easier because one has grown children and the other doesn't have kids yet.  They're both understanding of my situation, and I understand theirs, too.  We try to go out the first Friday of every month, but it's only happened once so far.

    By the way, Erika, when you said you'd heard Ashley Judd, I didn't see it, because as you pointed out, she's, um...white.  But in that picture I totally see it.  Lucky woman--I love Ashley Judd.

    • aw, thanks! :-) (0 / 0)

      By the way, the reason I'm making that silly face is because we were posing with Tyra Banks-style "fierce" eyes. You know how on America's Next Top Model, she always tell them to look "intense"?

      I didn't think she'd post it for all to see...sigh. But it just goes to show that we DO have a ton of fun together!

  • We try to (0 / 0)

    have dinner with other couples who have children our children can play with every few weeks or so, and that helps a lot.  I have friends who do girls' nights out but we don't do it very often.

    Dinner with other families where both kids and adults can have fun works out well for us.

  • It's tough (0 / 0)

    All my closest friends live hundreds, if not thousands of miles away, so I only see them a few times a year. Since moving to Orange County, I have not made a single close female friend at my new job. Everyone is friendly enough, but most are either single, childless, or have much older kids. So our social schedules don't jibe well.

    The bright side is that we're now close to family so we spend lots of social time with relatives. Gloria is the sister I never had, and we're always doing fun stuff together. I have also reconnected with old friends from high school and middle school, so spending time with them and their kids is a treat.

    I guess I think having female friends and "Girls Night Out" is important only if you feel a need for it. My life feels very full with my husband, kid and extended family, so I don't feel a void, really. So having the occasional night out with girlfriends is like a cherry on top of my life sundae. Very sweet!

    • Totally Agree (0 / 0)

      I guess I think having female friends and "Girls Night Out" is important only if you feel a need for it.

      Totally. A good i-chat can be more satisfying than a drunken night of dancing. My best friends are also scattered across the country. I adore seeing them, and am actually quite fortunate in that I generally get 1-2 times a year where I DO get to see them.

      That said, I have some pretty amazing mom friends with kids crazy close in age to Lily, so I'm not usually without a good friend date for very long. I find the number of my close friendships growing over the years, which I know is lucky and worth investing in.

      My mom did not have many friends. When she and my dad started having problems relating (they've never been the "we're close friends" kind of couple to begin with) she was extremely lonely. She had a tendency to over-impose herself in our lives and as we grew older, it became intrusive and not very fun. I do keep that experience in the back of my mind, and take time to invest in the friendships that are worth it. That is the real key- NO TOXIC PEOPLE. I'm choosy about who I share what little time I have with!

  • Love the picture Gloria! (0 / 0)

    Wow.  You both look gorgeous.

    When I was quite a bit younger (but even into my 30s) I always believed that if a deep friendship formed it would last a lifetime.  I've come to learn that friendships often don't last in the way I thought that they would.  They come and go and differ in intensity  depending on so many factors including stages of life.  Another aspect I didn't realize would happen is the unexpected outcome when everyone's lives become more complex adding children, careers, partners, etc.   I've found now that there are some predictable cycles that run through friendships that can make them seem and feel tremendously important and at other times for whatever reason they can drift into something that feels much less so.  

    When my kids were little and my husband traveled a lot, a group of Moms would get together at each other's homes in the evening typically after kids had gone to bed (depending on who could leave their home w/a spouse or partner, or had a babysitter) either for a book club, or during a couple of years we would get together and watch ER, a favorite TV show of all of ours at the time.  That lasted for awhile, and then slowly faded due to lots of individual reasons.  .... but while it lasted it was a lot of fun and companionship for all of us.

    I'm finding as my kids (and my friends' kids too) are older and far more self-sufficient, long-ago friendships are popping up again in new ways.  It's fun to reconnect "old" friends, and still have a sense of shared history, even with the holes of time in it.

    I think as long as you don't perceive a void of some sort and your relationships whether family, or friends, provides what you desire and need, you're doing great -- if you wanted something different, you sound like you would pursue it.

  • how timely (0 / 0)

    I just had a girly afternoon out yesterday with a good friend. Lunch, window shopping, coffee and cake, and tons of chat. I felt so relaxed when I came home. It was just wonderful to spend multiple hours doing all that female bonding stuff without having to chop and change to look after (run after) Jess. DH and I try to give each other one weekend day "off" per month, but it doesn't always happen and once you get out of the habit, it's so hard to make time to pick it up again.

    Love the photo - you look ferosh!

    • timely (0 / 0)

      I just attended a birthday for a sorority sister- I have a tendency to, um... revert when I'm around that bunch? Yeah. Chocolate martinis are not my friend. At. All. But it was fun to pretend to be a social-butterfly type again last night! DH DID leave me to clean up most of the mess that resulted from the evil martinis this morning, but all in all a good time. This bunch is the once-every-two-years-maybe? bunch of friends. Still a ton of fun, we exchange our books of pictures (and stop ourselves from the "really, you had a kid and i missed it totally? blunders) at the beginning of the evening and by the end we're drunk silly girls again.

  • asdf (0 / 0)

    i get out a lot, actually, due to the nature of deejaying. for instance, this week i gigged wed, thurs, fri, and sat nights. i have friends who come out to support me, but specific girls nights out rarely happen. i do have a standing monday night hang out with "the boys" who are my deejay friends. not the same, but fun. we do tend to get a little too toasted, hah!

    thankfully, a couple of my deejay friends are girls and we do a lot of stuff together, working at what we love, geeking out about music.

    my closest girlfriends are not able to get out much. my best friend has two kids and works the graveyard shift at the ER on weekends. we talk everyday on the phone, but do not see each other much.

    nothing like a girls night out. sometimes, though, since i am out a lot anyway, the only thing i want to do with my time "off" is lay on the couch and watch movies, in the lovely quiet.

    We cannot defend freedom abroad by deserting it at home. - E.R. Murrow

    by lorin on Sun Apr 27, 2008 at 07:21:03 PM PDT

  • Sniff (0 / 0)

    I would give my right ARM if my two best friends ever lived nearby again. These two friends are central to my life. I can't imagine my life without them actually - well, I can, and it would be a crying shame if we ever let the friendship fade or blow up. They both just friggin' know me, and I them. (Funny, they've only met a few times, but through me, they know so much about each other!). These are long friendships - 21 and 17 years.

    We have had some periods of adjustment, for sure. A big one was when I met my future/now husband after all those years of being single. It was just kind of weird at the beginning, esp. since one of these friends is a guy. We had a series of conversations about how our friendship had to change now that I was really going to marry someone (and he was dating someone at the time) - nobody would be able to stand how exclusive our friendship was and we had to make a shift. Another was during the final stages of the other friend's dissertation; a lot of acute anxiety in there, for a long time. It was tough. Funnily enough, when this friend married and had kids (her oldest is 11), the transition was really smooth. I never had the feeling that we no longer could relate now that she had kids, and she didn't feel that way either. My guy friend is most likely going to marry his current girlfriend, and I will be so happy when he does. (I love her, but given our age difference, 12 years with me, and 19 with my husband, I don't know what she makes of us!). He and my husband have become really good friends also, and he is my son's godfather.

    So yeah, friends night out - I WISH.

  • I spend a lot of time with family, too. (0 / 0)

    Girl-wise, usually I'm hanging with my Mom, who's like my best friend, or my little sister, Diana. But I also keep in close contact with my best friends who grew up with me here, and still live here ...E-mail is awesome for those "down-times" when everyone is busy with their husbands and kids. And we often incorporate the kids into our girly-get-togethers, going to a park where the kids can play so we can visit.

  • friendship time (0 / 0)

    I go to a monthly book group with a very great group of women.  A couple of them are friends and the others are just fun to spend an evening with.  The other "group" gatherings I go to are moms I know from DS's preschool.  There are 7 of us and we get together about every other month.  One's husband is in a band so we sometimes watch him play, sometimes we go to a gallery or a concert and then have drinks, sometimes we meet for breakfast.  We have taken long weekends together in the mountains or at the beach, cooking and doing crafts while gabbing and listening to music.  

    And sometimes I'm able to meet for coffee or lunch with individual friends.  Everyone else, it's email or the phone.  And I consider it pretty easy to get out because DH will always step up.  The bigger obstacle for me is fatigue.  I hate missing out on stuff just because I'm too danged tired, but I don't bounce back from exhaustion.  We do less as a couple, which I would like to fix if we can.  We are realizing that we need to get better at entertaining so we can see more of people.

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