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Playdate hell

Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 09:56:59 AM PDT

My son is 7 and a bit socially awkward, so I feel like it's important for me to try to get him into social situations whenever I can.  DH and I have enrolled him in some sport or activity every season and those group situations are fine. But I've always avoided the kid-on-kid playdate.

I do it not because I think Harry would struggle, but because I hate it.  I hate that the mom hangs around, waiting for me to entertain her.  It's always the mom, never the dad (which would require DH to do the entertaining), and I end up sitting there staring awkwardly at someone with whom I have no connection beyond the fact that we both had sex and gave birth on about the same schedule.  My sense of humor tends to be a bit snarky- with a healthy does of pop culture references- which typically leads to other moms looking at me politely but blankly, with these "holy crap, get me out of here and away from this crazy lady" expressions.  (I apparently missed the Stepford shot when I gave birth.)  

But I love my kid, so today I'm going to gut my way through the misery and awkwardness and my own exhaustion for two hours.

So how do other people endure it?  I have acquaintances that do this all the time.  They live for playdates.  And I have friends with whom I hang, who have kids the same age, and who I don't dread time with- so I guess that means it's only new people I dread.  But "old" people start out as "new" people, right?  So why can't I just look at this as a wonderful opportunity to connect with someone new?

7 minutes until Playdate Hell begins.  If I don't post in 24 hours, assume that the mom either ran screaming from the house, clutching her progeny to her bosom and speed dialing CPS as she laid down rubber in my driveway and that I'm currently under lockdown in some facility awaiting a psych evaluation.

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  • hugs (0 / 0)

    I don't have any great advice but I sympathize.  When DS was younger and having lots of playdates I would sometimes silently wonder, Why is this woman in my living room?  But most of the time I enjoyed it, and I'm not particularly sociable.  I think it's because I prefer one-to-one rather than groups.  When I could tell that my snarkiness wasn't going over well I would switch to question-asking mode.  Very enlightening!

    Now that he's older, the only parents who usually hang around are the ones we've grown friendly with.  But, he's having a sleepover tonight with the spawn of Competi-Mom.  And for some reason, I am compelled to spend time today cleaning up the house and yard for the (blessedly brief, if there is a deity) drop-off chat.  Because it shouldn't matter to me when she sweeps her eyes around the place and makes a sweetly smug comment like, "I just realized that it only takes me 90 minutes to get my house in For Sale condition.  Isn't that great?" But it does.  Sigh.

    Good luck!  And good on you for helping your boy.

    • did (0 / 0)

      Did she really say that?  About the 90 minutes?  As someone who recently sold a house, yuck!  I was so glad once that house was sold so I didn't have to clean it anymore!

      • yeah (0 / 0)

        She's the same one who faux-kindly told me that DS would definitely get into the arts high school because, "Have you seen any of their productions?"  in a tone that clearly implied, "They'll take anyone."  She's kind of the queen of the masked put-down. Meanwhile she took a job at the school she wanted her son to go to; cozied up to everyone but especially the admissions director; he got in; she quit the job.  And my DH thought it was unbelievably catty for me to say something to her like, Mission Accomplished.  But, come on!

        BTW, my DS got in!  And he's so excited.  And she can suck eggs.  But not in my clean house :)

        • congrats! (0 / 0)

          I don't know.  I wouldn't call that a masked put-down!  

          Congrats to your DS!  That's great.  Is that the public school?  I remember you were tossing between a pricey private school and a public school.

          • Yes! Public! Free! (0 / 0)

            He now has a decision to make, as we already registered him at a private school.  (Not the most expensive, which was $30K / year -- and that is just nuts.)  We've told him we would support either of the two remaining choices.

            Thanks!  

        • Congrats to DS and to you (0 / 0)

          All the angst and excitement has come to fruition. Way to go!!!

        • congratulations to DS (0 / 0)

          I know you both were really focused on this happening. I hope DS loves the school and really finds his niche!

          • thanks! (0 / 0)

            He decided today -- the arts school it is.  We all feel like it's the right place for him, as long as we shore up the academics.  And maybe we're wrong, maybe the academics are better than we think.  As for the niche, it kind of feels like he's already been a student there.  He knows a lot of students and faculty, and even more people seem to know him.  As he was being shephered around on his audition by an assistant principal, she commented, "I keep hearing your name."  His reputation precedes him; I hope that's a good thing :)

            Anyway, yay!

            • I've found that often (0 / 0)

              performing arts schools are actually very good academically.  They might not have as many course offerings, but they will usually offer the standard college prep coursework and do it well.  Sometimes too much choice isn't always a good thing.

              Congratulations and I'm sure he'll be happy.  

              • thanks (0 / 0)

                It's been hard for me to figure out how strong it is because many of the kids go on to conservatories and I am not knowledgeable about that world.  Others do go to good 4-year universities. We'll just keep an eye on it.... Like anywhere else, I've heard there are great and lousy teachers/courses, so I just need to get my boots on the ground and figure out which is which.

            • Congrats! (0 / 0)

              Sounds like a really nice place, I'm sure your son will love it there!  Must feel good to have that decision made!

            • Wow, congratulations! (0 / 0)

              You must be really pleased! And I love it - "I keep hearing your name" - of course, it's a good thing :).

              Cool.

        • congrats (0 / 0)

          to you and your son... sounds like a great school!

  • keep it light! (0 / 0)

    Yeah, I say, just keep the conversation light, in terms of content and expectations.  No one is perfect and we're all in different places.

    As to your question, how do other people endure it? Some people just love to be with other people, I guess they are extroverts. They aren't necessarily looking for deep friendships every time, but still enjoy talking to just about anyone.  Other people would rather have one deep, quality conversation with someone they really connect with than ten less-deep conversations.

    It sounds like these types of events exhaust you though and you should honor that, and give yourself time afterwards to unwind and re-energize.    

  • I'm really glad I had my kids (0 / 0)

    when I was young.  I would put up with a lot more in those days than I'm presently willing to put up with.  

    • Ain't that the truth! (0 / 0)

      I'm finding myself realizing that the hard way, now that I have a new baby (15 years after the first child). Things that didn't bother me then are grating on my nerves now.

  • do the moms always hang around (0 / 0)

    Having a mom come on a playdate for a 7 year old sounds a little outside the norm to me. I quit going on my kids' playdates by the time they started kindergarten, and I can't remember a mom coming over after that age, either.

    I am quite sure I could not have survived them, either, if I had to entertain the kid and the mom. I haven't been into that whole "our kids are friends so let's be best friends" thing. I didn't get the Stepford shot, either.

    Maybe you can encourage the mom to enjoy this time to herself and run some errands while her child is over?

  • why are the moms hanging out? (0 / 0)

    your son is 7 years old? i dunno, maybe things have changed, but why would the mom stay?  i only experienced this once and frankly i was appalled.  the mother sat down in my living room for the entire play date. my solution?  i left her there to read her book while i kept busy doing other things.

    even when my dd was 4 years old, kids were left off and picked up and i did the same...so this scenario seems odd to me.  and man, i would dread it too.

  • Hooray! (0 / 0)

    I dropped a series of hints about how tired she must be (she's 7 mos in with her 3rd baby) and that I was just fine with both boys and why didn't she take a little "me" time?  

    She bit and went.  And came back 2 hours later.

    Plus DH did all the kid entertaining.

    L

    • woo hoo! (0 / 0)

      glad it worked out!!

    • Is staying the norm in your town? (0 / 0)

      I don't think I stayed with my kids on playdates past about 4 years old.  Before that I would stay because I was trying to make friends with the mom or my kid was in diapers and I didn't want anyone else to have to deal with my kid's poop.  

      I had two kids over all afternoon to play with mine and their parents went golfing.   I hope the invite for my kids to play at their house all next Saturday afternoon comes soon...

      I childproofed my house but they got back in somehow.

      by lonestar canuck on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 02:27:35 PM PDT

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    • you never know (0 / 0)

      she may have been thinking "god, I would really love some time to myself, but I don't want to be rude and just drop my kid and dash. Don't want Laura thinking that I'm just using her for cheap childcare. Maybe I'll stay and have a chat."

      • could be... (0 / 0)

        but golly by age 7 how much more work is it?  in my playdate days it was just reciprocated playdates and no parent ever stayed. i do remember my nanny being annoyed with one parent who would drop her daughter off, say she'd be back at a certain time and then be more than an hour late.  i had to step in on behalf of the nanny as that WAS free babysitting and taking advantage.

         i am not anti social, there was always nice chit chat before and after. i did become friends with most of dd's playmates parents.  but i wouldn't have wanted to entertain during the playdate.

      • That's how I feel, until I get to know the scene (0 / 0)

        better, knowing for sure that the kids will do well together and that it will all be smooth. I wouldn't feel super comfortable leaving my daughter for hours with a family I don't know - more because I'm not fully confident that she'll be happy/fine/behaved than because of anything else.

        But yeah, if you just want me to drop her and go, heck, I'm good with that. :-) Just say, "You know, the kids are fine - if you've got stuff to do, feel free."

    • That's the way to play it! Brava n/t (0 / 0)

  • Laura, FWIW, (0 / 0)

    I would love to meet more people with a snarky sense of humor who make pop culture references and who missed the Stepford shot.  I feel exactly the same way that you do!

    My daughter is ultra social and she has regular play dates with a few girls and I make certain those are drop-off playdates because I would whither in these women's presence for more than 20 minutes.  I can only have so many conversations about shopping at Nordstrom before my head explodes.  I am pretty sure the last time I bought something at Nordstrom was 1993 when I needed a specific color of M.A.C. lipstick for my wedding.

    That said, there may be a diamond in the rough for you someday, a special gem of a real connection.  I waited a long ass time before meeting a woman who I loved to be around and our daughters get along famously which sweetens the deal.  Just my luck, she put a for-sale sign in front of her house in March.  I cross my fingers that the house doesn't sell (hey, RE is slow these days).

    As for what to do in the mean time, have you straight-out asked if it would be possible to have a drop-off play date?  Just be up front and make it sound like this would give the mom an opportunity to go run errands to make some phone calls or something.  The afternoons are your time to prepare your meals or read a magazine and having a playmate for your son actually makes that easier - not that you aren't fully present to intervene if someone gets hurt or something.

    Come to think of it, one of the Stepford women who hosts play dates at her house makes it a point to get one boy for her son and one girl for her daughter and she tells me that's the only way she can get her house clean!  She does laundry and cooks dinner while the kids play with their friends.  I think the truth is she is on the phone the entire time but heh, at least the kids are happy.

    There's nothing wrong with blatantly carving out some time for yourself by inviting kids over to play.  You are not expected to facilitate games if the kids can play together nicely.  You can have some YOU time.  It's okay.

    • I see you did just that (0 / 0)

      Yay, I see in your update (that I missed on the first read-through) that you did get the "right" kind of play date for your son.  Hooray!

    • Oh my god. (0 / 0)

      That sounds positively marvelous. You give me hope for the future. Right now, I invite a child over for my daughter (who's four), and I spend the whole time keeping the peace between them and my son (who's two). Bring on the double playdates!!!!!

      All my daughter's friends' parents stay, unless we're really close to them (of which there are four or five). She's only four, so this could change...but I wouldn't drop her at someone's house unless I knew them quite well first.

  • no playdates here (0 / 0)

    Miles is more than socially awkward, obviously, as he is borderline Asperger's.  He is friendly with almost everyone in school but playdates have never been something he has expressed an interest in.  

    I don't know. Life is so busy, he is with kids all day and at aftercare, I think he just likes the down time and time with us on the weekends, and weeknights are too nutty to even imagine kids coming over or dropping him somewhere.

    Does anyone else here not bother with playdates?  Am I massively screwing up here?  

    Eli has occasional playdates with his best buddy, but in that case I am also having a playdate because his mom has become a great friend.  But again, they see eachother and all their other buddies at pre-school everyday, so you know, how much more time together do they really need?

    • We really didn't... (0 / 0)

      but we had a lot of kids, and live in a neighborhood that allowed for a lot of going back and forth.  Several of my kids' friends are still in and out of my house several times a day.

      My socially awkward son did just fine with kids coming over...however, he still doesn't like to go to other people's houses very much.  He'll go next door with his friends, but that's about all he's interested in.  He likes it when they're here, though.  With so many kids around, he can, and does, just go to his room when he's tired of being around other people.

    • I think you go with the flow (0 / 0)

      I don't do enough with my daughter, no question. She needs more time just interacting with other kids. It's been hard for us to make the connections necessary to do that.

      But you know, he's got a brother, he's happy playing by himself, you've got activities... I wouldn't worry.

    • I don't (0 / 0)

      My kids are all two years apart so they just play with each other.  I thought that my oldest might show more of an interest now that he is in preschool but he seems content with his brother and sister -not that she's really playing much yet but she smiles at the boys.

      If we do have playdates it's because I'm hanging out with one of my friends who has kids around the same age.

    • Our pediatrician (0 / 0)

      who's also a friend, observed him in action and suggested that a the playdate thing would help with some of the social issues. He just doesn't get much mainstream "kid time" beyond his school which is very structured.  She felt a little one-on-one with a couple of kids we like would apply the right kind of peer pressure to help him figure things out- plus it would give us a chance to do a little coaching before and after on the whole "reading non-verbal clues/ interacting in an appropriate way" thing.

    • I have to set them up (0 / 0)

      because we live on a street with no kids.  Just old people who go to Florida for half the winter.  I love where I live but we don't have that "kick open the door and find someone to play with in the neighbourhood" thing that I had as a kid.  

      And we do them because the kids ask to have their friends over to play - but there's nothing wrong with having a kid who doesn't want to have people over and likes his time alone either.  It's all about their comfort level.

      I childproofed my house but they got back in somehow.

      by lonestar canuck on Sun Apr 27, 2008 at 06:25:25 AM PDT

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      • still doesn't work (0 / 0)

        We have SAHM neighbors with kids around our kids' age and we still can't just kick the door open and find someone to play with.  Because the SAHMs are all scheduling activities for their kids; kids no longer just hang out any more.  

        I've never been one for playdates.  Because my schedule is erratic and changeable my boys have both been in after-school care.  But as it turns out, that's where their best opportunity for free play with their friends is.  It's so much more fun than a single kid on a formal playdate, and they're supervised by cool counselors instead of boring old parents.  So even when I have no afternoon classes I make sure that they still get to hang out there several afternoons per week.  There's not much childhood left in the neighborhoods anymore.

    • rest easy (0 / 0)

      to me the idea of going out of the way to create a playdate sounds horrifying. i am just not into it. did our parents do that? i just remember playing with neighbor kids.

      and i am not cool with leaving my kid with very many people at all, so it would take forever and a great connection for that to be realistic.

      and my kid is gregarious and extremely social.

      thankfully we live on a kid populated block and a few doors down from a longtime friend who has two kids.

      thank maude spring is here - the kids can play in the yard while i sit on the porch and read a book!

      We cannot defend freedom abroad by deserting it at home. - E.R. Murrow

      by lorin on Sun Apr 27, 2008 at 10:54:45 PM PDT

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  • I'm glad this worked out (0 / 0)

    Here's my thoughts from reading this.  By the way, I'm glad the drop-off worked out and 7 is a little old for the mom to stay around my where I am too.

    FWIW I don't really do playdates as my kids are content with each other and if I do them it's because I'm getting together with a friend who has children close in age to mine so it all kind of works out.

    I don't feel like I fit in with the other moms at my son's preschool.  They seem a little cliquish and for many of them, their lives revolve around where they vacation which they tend to do in packs.  I haven't even been able to afford my honeymoon yet so I'm way out of the loop.

    However, I wouldn't necessarily assume that someone got the Stepford shot because she doesn't have a snarky sense of humor or get my pop culture references.  One of my good friends is like that.  She's just not into the same stuff and she is completely without guile so I just tone that down while she's around.  Likewise, I get along with the other preschool moms at the school functions even if I'm not in their circle, by trying to draw out other things that interest them and make polite small-talk. Maybe your expectations of the other moms are a bit high.  Sometimes it's nice just to talk to another adult even if there's no obvious connection.

  • I hate play dates. (0 / 0)

    I refuse to schedule play dates with people that aren't in my circle of friends. I guess that might come off as a little selfish, but I justify it by the fact that my kids get lots of kid interaction with out me having to endure doing small talk with someone I probably won't like.

    ...and I end up sitting there staring awkwardly at someone with whom I have no connection beyond the fact that we both had sex and gave birth on about the same schedule.  

    LMAO! I couldn't have said this better myself. I live in a very conservative neighborhood so most of the moms I come across drive me crazy.

    Good luck!

  • I hear you (0 / 0)

    I don't think I'm cut out for playdates, and I think DS will be OK without me making too much of an effort to force social interaction on him. I mean, I didn't have play dates.  I played with whatever kids wandered into the neighborhood.  I made quick friends when we visited the pool or the park, but my mom didn't make an effort to meet those kids later.  If my mom's friends visited with their kids, I played with them, no matter what the age difference.  When my brothers were born, I played with them. When I went to school, I made friends.  And I think I'm a fairly normal person.

    I definitely agree about the compatibility.  It's like when I was single and I'd have attached friends try to fix me up.  "What's he like," I'd ask.  "Well, he's single, like you."  That's not a character trait!  I feel the same way about meeting other women who are moms.  Having a child is not enough in common for me to be friends with someone.  I'll give it a chance that something will come of it, but I don't have a lot of time to waste if it doesn't.  I've been fortunate in recently connecting with a woman I met at a SAHM group.  Her son is still a baby so our kids can't play, but we enjoy each other so we get together with the kids just to hang out.  And she's even fairly conservative...I'm proud of myself!

  • This post inspired me (0 / 0)

    to call a woman I have made friends with since we moved to the Keys. Our daughters (2 for her, one for me) love to hang out, and now we are friends and our husbands are even friends now, its like, amazing!

    I called her and said, "Its so awesome that DD's friends have such amazing parents that we enjoy spending time with; we are so lucky!" She concurred, it was very reassuring!

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