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Giving & Receiving

Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 12:48:26 PM PDT

Over our lifetimes, we probably have all heard and been taught it is better to give than to receive.  It's an interesting notion this idea.  Being the ripe age of 53, I definitely have a different view of it now.

When I recall times of great anguish or hardship, the early lessons of my childhood made it difficult to ask for anything from anybody.  Think of others, my Mother would intone.   My Mother was a living example of "selflessness".... What an odd descriptor when I think of it now.  Selfless -- yes, the very term sums it up for me.  If all one does is give, one loses one's self.  Not a good outcome for anyone.  

Our family has had its share of upheavals.  We had an unhealthy dose of dysfunction in our home what with two brothers in trouble most of the time, my Dad unsuccessful in business, my Mom working since I was age 5, and her Mom living with us for over a decade after my grandfather died.  We lived an existence on the outside that looked darn good - beautiful colonial style house, 2 acres of land, food and clothes enough for all of us.

And yet, on the inside, our lives were fractured.  But through it all, I do not recall my parents ever asking anyone for help, or even admitting or sharing the daily disappointment.  They were raised in a generation that believed one shouldered one's own burdens alone.  

I find this fascinating because what I have come to learn since I was a little girl in that house is that when you never ask for help or you never share your burdens, other people are not given the opportunity of giving of themselves which enriches both the giver and the receiver.   Ironically, by receiving help, the recipient is still giving --- allowing another human to help is definitely a gift.  The give and take enriches each life exponentially as we all take turns on both ends of the proverbial stick in life.

It's taken me years to loosen myself up enough to lean on others both emotionally and physically.  Through many trials - my Mom's death from cancer and my Father's battle with the disease and recovery from it, my own cancer scare and hysterectomy, my being a Mom without family nearby for support and a husband who travelled most of the year for work all were situations that begged for support.  Little by little over the years, I have gotten better at asking and receiving.  What freedom there is in the ability to do so.  And what an act of grace that happens when we help each other.   The community we can find even with one other person is a cherished and valuable interchange.  And if we let ourselves be revealed in our strengths and our "weaknesses", we all will be the better for it.

I wish I had known this earlier....but I'm glad I know it now.

How about you MTers.....do you allow others to help and support you?  Do share....

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Is it hard for you to:

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Tags: giving, receiving, creating community, helping others (all tags)

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  • I have to admit (0 / 0)

    to having trouble with that.  This is rather like the topics being explored in the "grandparents" diary, isn't it?

    I think many times, we aren't totally honest with ourselves.  We want the help, but we're afraid of how asking for that help might make us appear.  I think we women have probably really had a double dose of that.  We're the ones who were expected to be "super" in every area of our lives.  How could such super-beings ask for help?  And are we sometimes resentful when that help doesn't magically appear?

    • I agree with you (0 / 0)

      Often we internalize what we want and when we don't get it, we may feel angry or frustrated.  It's hard to ask, but I think for me, the outcome is harder when we don't connect with others in this way.

      • It backfires on us, doesn't it? (0 / 0)

        I think we should be able to recognize it for what it is.  I think that's the service we women can best provide each other.  

        • Yes. (0 / 0)

          I'd like to help my children feel safe enough with others to ask for help and share their times of need along with their ability to give.  It seems cliche-ish but in everything there is a balance - and this topic is no different.  

    • I don't want the help (0 / 0)

      because of how I feel it means admitting failure.  But I need the help.

      • I know the feeling. (0 / 0)

        I still get pangs of that sometimes, but so much less now than when I was much younger.  I really, really prefer life now.

      • I don't think it's failure. (0 / 0)

        I think that's the part that collectively, many of us need to get past. No one lives in isolation, no one is on their own. Needing help doesn't mean you've failed, it just means you're human.

        Culturally, I come from the other side of the divide on this. I'm probably too used to seeing things as collective - sure, we help out our friends, but if anything I'm too quick to ask for help (and probably also too quick to give it, although since no one ever asks now I'm in the US, that's not a real problem), and not self-reliant enough. But I see friends, not as resources to be relied upon necessarily, but as people who ought to be available to be called upon if needed, and I expect them to do the same, and it's kind of weird to be living in a culture where that's not the case.
        One instance sticks out in my mind, when I was back in Scotland. I sang in a choir, and after rehearsals, we usually all went to the pub for a drink and a chat. One week, a couple of people who were in the choir, Americans, confided that they felt kind of exploited - we got to the bar, people bought drinks, and they always found themselves buying more drinks than they got in return, and they were wondering when the hell they were going to have people return the favour. They were greeted with a kind of blank look. Like.. where's the problem, if you can afford to buy drinks and others can't, you do, that's how it works! Totally different to US culture, where ideally you'd make sure everyone paid the same, and if someone couldn't they'd try to make it up some other way - cooking dinner, for instance. In Scotland, that obligation just doesn't exist. It's assumed those with more will subsidize those with less.
        It's also a sort of "pay it forward" logic. It's assumed that for the most part, those who can't afford to pay now will be able to pay later, so those accepting charity today will be giving it tomorrow. And while that won't go directly to those who're paying today, those who're paying today were probably accepting charity yesterday. The culture just assumes that in the end, it all works out, and that because we're part of a wider society, whether someone individually ends up paying a bit more in the end, well, that doesn't matter so much. FWIW, it seems like this is actually fairly uniquely Scottish - it's certainly not part of English culture, and I don't think in continental Europe, either.

        All of which is a long-winded way of saying that I'm used to the idea of asking for help at the drop of a hat, and I find it kind of weird to live in a culture where you don't. But I certainly don't think it's weakness - I think there's a strength to be found in knowing you can go to friends when you need them (or even when you'd just like to have them about, needs be damned).

        I do find it particularly difficult to have the discipline to give to more abstract causes - individuals who I know is easy, charities, institutions, that sort of thing, I find harder to do.

        "You're never more alone than when you're alone in a crowd."

        by Expat Briton on Wed Apr 23, 2008 at 08:16:18 AM PDT

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        • Interesting differences. (0 / 0)

          Your post is great to read - thanks for commenting.  I remember lots of experiences with the dreaded splitting of the bill -- who pays what, etc.  For now, my dh and I can afford to pay more and do, but often that is uncomfortable for others who don't want to accept that "gift"  for whatever reasons they have.  I've experienced watching the discomfort  with people when some who don't drink alcohol at a function get paying for a lot of bottles of wine or other drinks that have been consumed by others at the table and then feel taken advantage of....or when groups  go out and some  elect to eat just a salad while others eat an entire entree plus, and then want to split things as if everything was equal.....complicated mess, really.

          sigh.

          Your description above seems easier all the way around.

  • Hi Karen! (0 / 0)

    I was just thinking about you today and wondering how Treigh and the kids are doing?

    But I agree with your piece. I think it is hard for us in this country to accept help since we were raised on good 'ol rugged individualism. I feel guilty when I feel like I can't do it all at once and have been known to martyr myself once of twice. :)

    But I am trying to get better at it -- reaching out to friends when my husband is out of town, for example. I've found that locking ourselves up until Papi gets home from work has not been good for us.

    • Hi Elisa! (0 / 0)

      I can still see you vividly in my mind's eye after Eli was born!  How time flies.  We are all WELL - and Treigh is doing amazingly well.  She is back working part-time and back enjoying being with her children without the thought of having to leave to go to LA for chemo, or the thought of a 12 hour surgery ahead.  

      We just spent time down in San Diego and saw family.  I am SO much better at embracing the rollercoaster ride of life - yikes.  I'm reminded of that scene in the movie Parenthood with Steve Martin when he visualizes a rollercoaster as a metaphor for his life and how he learns to keep his equilibrium even in the face of daily perceived  "disasters..." (real or imagined..)

      How are you?  It sounds like you've been able to get away a little bit....that is so restorative and challenging too, to fit in and make the effort to get outside the routine.  Life is complicated that's for sure.

      Thanks for your comment --- I don't have nearly the time these days to post or comment, but I do STILL LOVE this site.  It's a keeper.  ">)

  • my answer to the poll: neither. (0 / 0)

    I give happily and I receive without any guilt or compunction.

    The actual asking is the only thing that I find hard sometimes, but I'm getting over that now that we're surrounded by friends and family. When we lived in Sacramento, we got used to doing for ourselves and not depending on anyone to help.

    Moving down here was one of the best things we have done.

    • Good for you (0 / 0)

      So common to have a hard time asking -- that's the crux of it most of the time....I think.  It's a shame I think that we're all a bit wired that way.  Giving and receiving are such natural acts of the life cycle....but oh well....sigh.

    • I got in a hurry (0 / 0)

      posting this and should have thought more about lots of choices around giving and receiving.....the poll is a bit narrow.  But I had to fly out of here, and couldn't give it much more thought.

  • receiving (0 / 0)

    Giving was never a problem - my mom is a rehab counsellor and my dad is a social worker and both have worked for non-profits for most of their working lives (35+ years in both cases and still counting, as mom is still full-time at 64, and dad, while officially retired at 70 still consults on various projects that constitute about a part-time load). We grew up in an atmosphere where getting out there, volunteering time, and helping others was absolute, bedrock normal. I still suffer pangs of guilt for working for-profit and have the sneaking suspicion that my life isn't complete until I figure out a way to "give back."

    Receiving, on the other hand? I think the flipside to the upbringing we had and the communities my folks worked into is the feeling that we had it good, really good, and therefore should be able to deal with things on our own. Part of that was circumstance; as mentioned on the grandparents' thread, my paternal grandmother died long before I was born and my maternal grandmother (who is an amazing, inspiring woman) was not inclined towards babysitting, etc., in the slightest. No blood relations in the immediate area either, so we handled everything in-house.

    I marvel at it now, particularly given the fact that my sister had severe asthma as a child and spent fair chunks of time in hospital from when she was about 2 until she was nearly four and my folks finally found the right specialists and treatments. All that and both of them working full time and having a full life surrounding. I remember one Christmas, the last time my sister spent any time in the hospital. My folks had committed to hosting two Christmas parties - one for dad's colleagues, one for mom's colleagues. My sister went into hospital for about a week and a half (got out December 23). Mom and Dad basically did shifts at the hospital and carried on with the parties, with me as co-hostess. It was a huge effort, and I suppose it must hav been incongrous for me to be cooking and cleaning for a party, but there you go.

    As a result, yeah, I have a hard time asking for help. I came to rely on DH (and vice versa)throughout our international travels, so that doesn't seem strange anymore, but as for the rest, I've come to see it as something that benefits Jess; if I can get help on certain tasks, I'm better equipped as a parent. Funny the hoops we have to go through to rationalise things.

  • very hard (0 / 0)

    I think it's hard to give and receive.

    When someone is having a hard time, it's so hard to know how to reach out to help them.  We all say, "Let us know what I can do to help," but unless you are really close family or friends, it's very hard to really do it.

    On the receiving end, same thing.  You know you need help, but who and how do you ask for it?

    I think one of the best things we can do, even if we can't "help" is to keep calling, emailing, and checking in with someone who is struggling or having a hard or sad time in life.  

    Sometimes in the beginning, there is a rush of calls and emails and letters, but then it all dies down, whether after a death or a sickness or any personal stress or tragedy.  It's when everyone stops reaching out that reaching out becomes even more important.

    • So spot on (0 / 0)

      We had a really, really rough summer and fall and were just so swamped that I literally couldn't even figure out what I needed in order to ask for it.  Some people noticed that we'd fallen off the radar, and reached out and visited and pitched in and made me realize how hard it was to go it alone.  

      --R

    • Good point NJMom (0 / 0)

      It's sometimes hard to figure out what is needed at any given time, much less explain what is needed to someone else.  Sometimes it feels as if it's best just to get whatever needs doing done, rather than ask for help.  

      In hindsight, just for my own life, I wish I could have figured out a way to reach out more.  I wouldn't have had such a stressful life during the years when my kids were little, and I think I would have loved the community I would have built by doing so.  I still had great times and friends, but I know I could have had deeper relationships had I known how to be more vulnerable by stopping myself from thinking I had to do everything ....I was busy trying to survive, being virtually on my own with no family and two small kids and sick parents 3,000 miles away.  But looking back, it would have been to my benefit to not go so much of it alone....

      I'm sharing this out loud here on MTers if in some way it can benefit any Moms or others here that feel isolated or that they can't or shouldn't ask for help if they need it.  

      I think you're right about keeping contact even after firestorms have subsided in our lives -- when all the frenzy stops is often when people feel the loneliest.

      • great diary -- sometimes in the moment (0 / 0)

        it seems "easier" to just plow ahead and shoulder everything myself....when in fact I can get help and breathe easier if I just ask for help. I am finding this out every day and every time I don't ask for help.  This is the hardest thing I am learning to do right now.

      • it's very hard (0 / 0)

        It's so hard to open yourself up and be vulnerable.  

        I know for me, when I've needed help, part of it is that people already seem too busy and sometimes overwhelmed themselves, that I don't want to add to their burden.

        And part of it, in my case, is just plain old pride.  Pride is a problem for me.   Not wanting to tell people the real deal about whatever it is that is going on in my life that causes strife, and puts up walls.

  • I love to give help to people (0 / 0)

    ...everything from organizing meal deliveries for people with new babies or recent surgeries to driving someone to a doctor appointment.  I love to help strangers find things in grocery stores or give my neighbor some eggs when she runs out.  I love passing on clothes, toys, or books that are still usable.

    What I have trouble doing is giving organizations money.  We live so frugally and deny ourselves outings and things because of a lack of funds, I can't bring myself to give cash to charities.  My time and energy I can be generous with but when my own kids are wearing worn-out sneakers, I can't bring myself to give my family's money away.

    Asking for help - well, I don't do that enough I suppose.  Even from the members of my own family.  But sometimes I do ask and get nothing. It makes asking again less likely.

    • Thanks for your comment (0 / 0)

      When you've asked for help, and none is forthcoming, that can really make it difficult to ever want to risk asking again.

      The supporting of outside organizations has a time and place, I think.  If you have extra that you can give away, have at it, but if not, it's just not the right time for you.

      I agree that giving is always the easier and more comfortable thing to do.

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