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I Give: The Disney Juggernaut Sneaks In.

Tue Apr 15, 2008 at 06:13:10 PM PDT

Folks, I have lost the battle against the Disney Princesses.

I feel like pre-WWII France:  I focused all my attention on building the Maginot Line against the threats I could see (my MIL, advertising) just to be completely sucker punched by the blitzkrieg of three year olds at day care and the early onset of peer pressure.

I am a tomboy, pure and simple.  I don't wear makeup, I don't wear lots of girly clothes, my hair is a godawful mess.  The only concession to my extra X chromosome is a love of cute but reasonable shoes, and an ability to pick out complimentary colors.  (According to DH, the colors thing is because I'm a girl.  Sure.)  When we found out that we were having a girl the first time around, I cried.  Later I confessed to DH that it was because I was scared about raising a girl, because there was a lot I couldn't teach her about BEING a girl.  I felt that I would be a bad mother for a girly girl.

So, yes, I confess to pushing my tomboy ways on my daughter.  I attribute a lot of my strengths to being a tomboy--I don't have body image issues, for one.  But primarily I just had an irrational hatred of all things girly girly.  Pink was BANNED at both of my showers.  I deliberately shopped in the boys section for cute clothes, especially for career-decorated clothes like little bear astronauts (since all the girl clothes had flowers and hearts on them, puke).  I send her to day care in jeans and sweats and rough and tumble clothes.  The one time she came home from being babysat with polish on her toenails made me vaguely nauseous.  (That could have been the morning sickness though.)

Disney Princesses in particular embodies everything I hate about girly girlness.  Perhaps the perfect marketing packaging adds to my hatred, but I have strong reactions to the sight of Belle, Aurora and Jasmine.  Makes my skin crawl.  MIL has been pushing the girly girl from the day DD was born, leading to some wonderful arguments between me and DH, and awkward phone conversations between him and MIL.  I have fought her with all my might on this.

Well, it was all for naught.  I have been defeated by a three year old.  

This morning, my daughter ran away from me as I tried to convince her to put on her formerly beloved Elmo panties.  As we stood in the kitchen, I tried to convince her to put on the panties, she shook her head NO and said "Don't want it!  Want Ariel panties!"  Given the typical toddler pronunciation mangling, it took me a minute to even figure out what she had said.  As soon as I realized what she was saying, I literally screamed out loud, and put my hands on my head.  Oh. my. god.  She wants Disney Princess underwear!  Once I expelled the demons in my head, I calmly and reasonably point out that we don't have any Ariel, or any princess for that matter, underwear.  To which DD says "In my purse!"

The Dora purse she carries to day care every day.  The Dora purse that should have been the final sign that I had lost the battle, because in the store I offered DD the choice of a Dora baseball hat and the Dora purse, and she picked the purse.  Sure enough, I look in her purse, and there is indeed Disney princess underwear in there!  Its Aurora, not Ariel, but really who cares?  The more pressing question, of course, is WHERE THE HELL DID SHE GET THIS HORRID CONTRABAND???

That would be from Jasmeen, her little friend at daycare.  Who is wearing a tiara and princess skirt EVERY SINGLE DAY when we get to school.  I still don't really understand the logistics of how Jasmeen got Aurora undies out of her bin and put them in my daughter's purse, but life is full of eternal mysteries.  Jasmeen seems to have inordinate influence on my daughter.  DD came home from school wearing her new shoes about a month ago calling them her "princess shoes" and insisted on only wearing those shoes for weeks straight.  We don't watch Princess shows; we don't even watch Dora, we watch Diego, the Backyardigans, and Kai-lan (a tomboy if ever there was one, yay!).  So she has to be picking up the princess fascination at school.

How do you explain not following the pack and blazing your own trail to a 3yo?  How do you teach her to question gender stereotypes?  You don't.  You look at your naked toddler, and then at the clock which is telling you you are running ridiculously behind, and you open the city of Paris to the invading hordes.  You take the nice, clean princess underwear and let DD wear them, and then get her dressed.  You explain to her in the car that this is the only pair of princess panties she has, so she has to be really good about going on the potty or she'll have to wear the Elmo panties instead.  (And then you hang your head in shame when DD brightly explains from the backseat that Mommy can go to the store and buy more princess panties, because you know you've instilled this rampant consumerism in her.)  And then, when she's NOT careful, and she's peed all over your couch after a long day at work, you solemnly promise her that if she will JUST START USING THE POTTY, you will go to the store and buy her lots and lots of princess panties.

Call me Marshal Petain.

So, I have a girly girl.  a girl who always wants to wear skirts instead of pants, and wants to be a princess.  I need to sit down and seriously examine my assumptions and biases about girly girlness, and figure out why exactly I think it's so bad.  WHY do the Disney Princesses bother me so much??  Especially when the fact that Ryan at daycare wears Spiderman clothes every single day doesn't bother me in the slightest.  What's the difference, really?  Why do I think its okay to gender stereotype the boys and not the girls?  If this new baby is a boy, am I going to go out of my way to dress him in pink and flowers just because I resent the fashion edict that boys must like lizards?  No, or course not.  My husband would kill me, for one thing.  So, it looks like I have a double standard.  Not good.  It takes a toddler to make me realize this.  God, I hate the thought of admitting this to my MIL.

I'll just have to hire someone to teach her about makeup.

Tags: Disney Princesses, stereotypes, girls (all tags)

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  • i lost the EXACT same battle today (0 / 0)

    i really, really could've written your entry, though not nearly as well.  i am tomboy, hear me roar, but i do like pink on my daughters, maya and abby.  but princesses? hell no.  and disney princesses?  hell hell no.  much of it is the princess mentality... the fact that even when disney makes clever independent princesses, they are always happiest in the end when they find their man.  and the fact that NONE of the independent clever stuff gets translated into the caverns of material CRAP that disney puts out for sale.  it's all about being pretty and sweet and boy crazy and definitely not about being black.  the fact that it's taken disney over 58 years to start working on an african-american princess makes my skin crawl.  we avoid disney and said princesses like the plague.

    until today, when i was beaten by a virtual 5 year old (thought i was out of the woods, but she's a preschooler too).  maya's 5th birthday is next monday, and she wants a "princess cake".  my skin itching, i asked why.  because becka and lillie and annie had princess cakes, of course.  i suggested scads of other things maya likes better... even a barack obama cake (i was desperate, ok?). but no, it's a princess cake she wants. it's her birthday. she is 5.  i said yes.  it was the right thing to say.

    but i developed a plan.  i found a cute princess cake and figured i could put a very princess-y looking black doll in the middle, satisfying both of our agendas.

    http://jas.familyfun.go.com/...

    i showed it to her and asked what she thought.  her answer?  no mama, i want one with belle and jasmine and whatever else all their names are.  uggggggh.  so i've lost.  a disney princes cake it will be, but we're going with jasmine, who is brown and loved to outsmart jafar.  

    i absolutely feel your pain, but i guess if the disney machine is the worst we come up against as moms to girls, we will count our lucky stars?

    • could you make the Barack Obama cake for us? (0 / 0)

      I'd love to see it...

      --R

    • LOL! (0 / 0)

      There is a special feeling to being defeated by a toddler, isn't there?  A combination of helplessness and tiredness and love.  You can feel your principles slipping away, but you can't care anymore.

      This is one of those moments where you just want to go back in time and shake your pre-mommy self.

      Now, DD is white and blond and blue eyed.  Obviously, she can identify with many of the princesses.  I can totally see where the lack of a black princess is galling.  What the heck is taking them so long?  I heard about the first African-American princess some time ago, where the heck is the movie?

      Guilty confession: I own all the princess movies.  On VHS.  And I've even bought a few repeats on DVD.  Sad, no?

      And I agree with Rocky--I want to see the Obama cake!!

    • Feeling your pain too... (0 / 0)

      I've got a rainbow pony cake request. Vomit.

  • I feel your pain (0 / 0)

    You and I were separated at birth.  Give it time, this too shall pass.  

    --R

    • What will pass? (0 / 0)

      The agony of conceding victory to my MIL, or the agony of forking money over for Disney Princesses?  ;)

      • agony lives forever (0 / 0)

        especially if there is a relative to lord it over you.  

        But let's pretend that for now, she's just getting the girly phase out of her system early so that she can be a 4-year Math Team letterwoman in high school.  

        --R

        • I agree with you Rocky... (0 / 0)

          Karina was the epitome of a girly girl. She wore pink, loved to wear ribbons in her hair, sparkly wizard of oz shoes, bracelets, and necklaces. One of my friends used to call her Mrs. Roper!! She loved the princess movies and was even star-struck when she met any of the princesses on any of our trips to Disneyland. When she was 3, she met Snow White and after taking the picture, she leaned in and warned Snow White, "Not to eat the apple...ok!?!?" Karina is 13 now, and is very much her own person. She isn't boy crazy, she is no longer a girly girl, and she isn't even into make-up...except for the occasional racoon eyes.

          This too shall pass.

  • It will all turn out OK (0 / 0)

    My daughter likes to play with her cars wearing her cinderella dress and ballet slippers.

    • I like... (0 / 0)

      to see my daughter wearing her frilly princess dresses, fifteen feet up our tree in our front yard, telling the boy next door that maybe he'll be able to climb as high as her next year (he's two years older). Does my heart much good. There may be hope. Despite the insistence on pink. Which I hate.

    • So does my son! (0 / 0)

      My daughter likes to play with her cars wearing her cinderella dress and ballet slippers.

      LOL!!

      My DD loves Bratz dolls, which I do not allow in my house. So, as a compromise, she can get Bratz brand panties. That way she feels like she's 'winning' something and  it's a compromise I can live with. Plus, she is such that if I make a huge stink about something she wants it even more. Ugh. I so dread the teenage years with her.

    • I agree (0 / 0)

      Madeline loves the princess stuff.... but she also loves to dig up worms and and bugs in the backyard.  Just because they like the princess stuff doesn't mean they won't like other "tomboyish" things too.

      "We are the music makers, and we are the dreamers of the dream..."

      by 1plain1peanut on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 06:54:23 AM PDT

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  • If I'm ROFL, don't take it personally (0 / 0)

    your post brought back vivid memories of the "Barbie Birthday" of my daughter's early childhood.  After years of telling her "no Barbie" and coaching her to say "Barbie has a weird body" and buying all sorts of non-girly toys, she got FLOODED with Barbie stuff for her 5th birthday.  Why? Because most of her friends were boys, their moms didn't know what to buy for a 5yo girl, so the boys asked my DD and she said (to each and every one) "I want Barbie".  LOLOL all my hard work down the drain!  She then went on to insist on wearing a dress or skirt every single day in kindergarten and first grade, and growing her hair long to have a long ponytail ("like Sarah's" lol)

    Well, we rode it out. And I can reassure you that right now (16 3/4), she is SO not a girly-girl!  She likes clothes, but not overly-girly and not in the obsessive way that many girls her age are.  

    I think your longterm relationship with your daughter will have more influence than some Ariel wannabe in a tiara LOL

  • it passes but the key is (0 / 0)

    "what you resist persists"

    DD wasn't gonna wear pink, or love princesses or play with Barbies.... yep.  She knocked em down one at a time.  We have moved beyond most of the Princess stuff (DD is 6 1/2 now), but are fully into Barbie, Hannah/Miley.  

    Good luck and embrace your wonderful new pink princess future...it will pass soon enough.

  • branding (0 / 0)

    Like so many of you (what is up with that?!), I could have written this same story. Except my nemesis is at kindergarten and her name is Ella. Is it permissible to really hate a child that you don't know? I hate Ella. Ella has big sisters, and thus has access to completely age-inappropriate crap that I really didn't want to have to deal with yet. Ella likes to say things like "your shoes are ugly". Then my daughter won't wear those shoes anymore. I live in fear every time she goes to school with new clothes. If Ella decides that they are unacceptable, it's all over. And Ella loves Barbie.

    I'm a tomboy from way back. I never played with dolls. I was given Barbies for Christmas one year, and I promptly decapitated them to find out how their hair was attached and sliced into their knees to find out what made them click. My mother thought I was destined to be a serial killer. So when DD came home asking for Barbie, I nearly blew a gasket. No way. No how. If it's a choice between Bratz and Barbie, I'll go for Barbie. But it isn't that choice. She hasn't ever even seen a Barbie. She doesn't know what it is. She just wants Barbie stuff. Over my dead body.

    I took her to the shops the other day to buy fishing rods for our trip. We chose rods for her brother and her friend that came with us. Then she looked up, saw (ACK!) a Barbie pink backpack fishing rod kit and said "I WANT THE BARBIE ONE!". The conversation follows:
    me: No.
    DD: Why not?
    me: I don't like Barbie.
    DD: Why?
    me: I don't like what she teaches girls about their bodies.
    DD: But Ella likes Barbie.
    me: That's Ella's mommy's choice. Different families have different rules.
    DD: But I like Barbie.
    me: You don't even know what Barbie is.
    DD: But I like Barbie.
    me: sigh. Okay. Let's try something else. That fishing rod isn't a good one. The people that make Barbie want to make lots of money, so they put a picture of Barbie on a flimsy fishing rod to make you want to buy it. The red one is a better rod. It has more things in the set and it will last longer. You won't even be able to fish very well with the Barbie one.
    DD. But I want the Barbie one.
    me: I give up. No. You may have the red one. If you keep asking, I'm going to buy your brother one and you'll have to ask him to borrow it.
    DD: silence

    I won. Barely. But I've been doing a lot of thinking. Is it really Barbie that bothers me so badly? Not really. It's not age appropriate, and I'm keeping her from it for as long as possible. But it's just a doll. What bothers me is the endless amount of crap that is marketed at my daughter with Barbie on it. And the endless arguments that we could have based on whether or not she NEEDS the Barbie sunglasses. So I've put my foot down. No branding. I don't care that much about the toys and movies. Watch Dora and Ariel all you want. But I am not buying Ariel pencils. I refuse. And I don't give a damn what Ella has.

    • My feeling is (0 / 0)

      I'd be okay with Barbie herself (DD has not wanted one), but I don't like the loosely associated licensed merchandise, like the fishing rod you describe. DD wanted a Barbie video and I said, "You know, I just don't think Barbie is a very convincing actress." I vetoed the books too.

    • I'll stash the Dora branded stuff (0 / 0)

      before y'alls come over to visit. I've submitted to it. I've even bought Dora fabric and sewn Jess a quilt with it and use the remnents to sew on fabric touches on stuff I make. But I'll hide it all before you come over!

      • Oh don't be silly!! (0 / 0)

        Besides, Dora got in before I put my foot down. She's kind of over the Dora stage now, but she's got a Dora umbrella and a few other things. If you had Bratz stuff i might be worried...

        And she'll always see it with other kids. I can hardly help that! I'm just not buying something just because it's got a big pink Barbie logo on it!

        • oh, god no (0 / 0)

          No Bratz. No. No. No.
          • yep - house rule No Bratz (0 / 0)

            and my kids tell everyone that...LOL  and they will tell you why too.  

            We have ALL of the Barbie movies.  I resisted but actually they have good story lines (don't expect great  quality, esp the early ones).  Uplifting and acceptable, although i would rather something else.  She went through the phase and alas we now have them all.  One of these days, we will pass them along happily.

  • you know I'm a big believer in not making a big (0 / 0)

    deal over this stuff.   I have said this over and over again here -- I had EVERY barbie known to man -- I had the skipper that grew boobs when you twisted her arm and she was my favorite.  I had the plane, the beach bus, the pool.  I performed daily girly heterosexual weddings between barbie and ken in my room where assorted midges and skippers threw confetti at them.  

    and I grew up to be a feminist lesbian who gives a fuck about body image don't wear makeup short haired strong independent woman.  

    sometimes a pricness is just a princess you know?   Besides i always tell Liza that my favorite princess is Belle b/c she loves to read and doesn't want anything to do with the stupid handsome man -- I like Ariel b/c she rebels against the role her father created for her -- I like Jasmine b/c she sneaks out of the palace for a ROCKING carpet ride over Agrabah.  

    and my new favorite princess?  Whatsername from Enchanted -- who ROCKS.  What an awesome movie.  

    sometimes a princess isjust a princess....

    • you are my princess mentor (0 / 0)

      your previous comments about princesses totally calmed me down about them. I'm like "bring it on" with Rebecca. Of course, my son voted not to let her have Barbies. Like she is ever going to ask his opinion about it. lol So far, she prefers cars. We'll see.

    • Perfect comic strip for this thread (0 / 0)

      I have a Six Chix comic up by my computer.

      First panel: Mom looking concerned at her little girl dressed in full princess garb. Little girl says, "Don't worry, Mom...I'm only dressing up as a princess!"

      Second panel: The Mom stands with arms folded and little girl continues,"I'm STILL a Feminist!" as she gives a little curtsey

      Third panel: Mom's arms unfold, wry smile on her face and little girl says, "Just a pretty pink one!" as she does a twirl and waves her wand.

      Love it!

    • I do love Belle and Gaston (0 / 0)

      That is one of the slyest movies ever written - and it still makes me cackle that the religious right endorsed Beauty and the Beast as wholesome family entertainment that everyone should see. The lyrics are brilliantly funny and rather subversive.

      Gaston:
      Who does she think she is?
      That girl has tangled with the wrong man!
      LeFou:
      Darn right.
      Gaston:
      No one says "no" to Gaston!
      Dismissed! Rejected!
      Publicly humiliated! Why, it's more than I can bear.
      LeFou:
      More beer?
      Gaston:
      What for? Nothing helps. I'm disgraced.
      LeFou:
      Who, you? Never! Gaston, you've got to pull yourself together.
      Lefou:
      Gosh it disturbs me to see you, Gaston
      Looking so down in the dumps
      Ev'ry guy here'd love to be you, Gaston
      Even when taking your lumps
      There's no man in town as admired as you
      You're ev'ryone's favorite guy
      Ev'ryone's awed and inspired by you
      And it's not very hard to see why
      No one's slick as Gaston
      No one's quick as Gaston
      No one's neck's as incredibly thick as Gaston's
      For there's no man in town half as manly
      Perfect, a pure paragon!
      You can ask any Tom, Dick or Stanley
      And they'll tell you whose team they prefer to be on
      Lefou and Chorus:
      No one's been like Gaston
      A king pin like Gaston
      LeFou:
      No one's got a swell cleft in his chin like Gaston
      Gaston:
      As a specimen, yes, I'm intimidating!
      Lefou and Chorus:
      My what a guy, that Gaston!
      Give five "hurrahs!"
      Give twelve "hip-hips!"
      LeFou:
      Gaston is the best
      And the rest is all drips
      Chorus:
      No one fights like Gaston
      Douses lights like Gaston
      LeFou:
      In a wrestling match nobody bites like Gaston!
      Bimbettes:
      For there's no one as burly and brawny
      Gaston:
      As you see I've got biceps to spare
      LeFou:
      Not a bit of him's scraggly or scrawny
      Gaston:
      That's right!
      And ev'ry last inch of me's covered with hair
      Chorus:
      No one hits like Gaston
      Matches wits like Gaston
      LeFou:
      In a spitting match nobody spits like Gaston
      Gaston:
      I'm espcially good at expectorating!
      Ptoooie!
      Chorus:
      Ten points for Gaston!
      Gaston:
      When I was a lad I ate four dozen eggs
      Ev'ry morning to help me get large
      And now that I'm grown I eat five dozen eggs
      So I'm roughly the size of a barge!
      Chorus:
      Oh, ahhh, wow!
      My what a guy, that Gaston!
      No one shoots like Gaston
      Makes those beauts like Gaston
      LeFou:
      Then goes tromping around wearing boots like Gaston
      Gaston:
      I use antlers in all of my decorating!
      Chorus:
      My what a guy,
      Gaston!

  • Lost a battle (0 / 0)

    But not the war!  Your post was funny, but I do understand your distress.  I only have a little boy, and I know it's not nearly as bad, but try finding anything that doesn't have a baseball, basketball, or football on it.  Our idea for DS is that his worth isn't dependent on his athletic skills.  I admit, I have a lot of problems with the sports culture, particularly in the professional leagues, in this country.  My hope is that DS likes an activity he can participate in all his life, like cycling, swimming, running, or climbing.  But I'm also getting sick of clothes with trucks, tools, & dinosaurs.  DS wears a lot of animal- and music-themed clothes.

    I was also thinking the other day, why don't little boys want to be princes?  Princes seem cool.  They are rich, handsome, brave, adventurous, get to ride a horse and have a sword and slay dragons.  Not enough sparkle?  Boys don't like sparkle?  DS likes to put on my slip-on shoes and shuffle around (they're smaller than his dad's, so I think it's easier).  He also has a sunglasses case that looks like a small purse.  He will sling it over his wrist, walk to the door, and say, "Bye bye!" like he's going shopping. Not too hard to see where he got that!  I think it's cute, but I bet it would freak out my conservative FIL.  He once told me it was a "good thing" DS doesn't care for stuffed animals.

    • Boys love sparkle (0 / 0)

      At least small ones.  The ministerial candidate's son showed up at church wearing a tiara, so DS had to run around the house later wearing his.

    • princes are boring (0 / 0)

      The boy equivalent to the princess isn't the prince, it's the knight.  Knights sparkle (shining armor).  They carry long wooden lances, and what could be cooler than a round ball with spikes sticking out of it at the end of a stick and chain?  They get to do interesting things like slay dragons and joust.  Princes are boring.  The only thing they ever get to do is rescue a princess, but what self respecting 5 year old boy wants a princess?

      • That makes sense (0 / 0)

        But I still wonder why we see so many girls in the three-year-old range yearning to be princesses, and little boys just don't seem to fall into the equivalent.  Has society just not caught up yet with what it's acceptable for girls to be, and boys are still perceived as having so many more choices?  

        • I don't know (0 / 0)

          princesses don't just come in one flavor.  You can have ballerina princesses and woodland fairy princesses and the previously mentioned elf princesses and princesses from outer space... I don't the pink thing myself, but I sure get the sparkly, which, as we discussed below, many boys also love.

          Princes are boring.  They're not sparkly or frilly or particularly magical. There's the allure of being a king and making decisions, but I don't if princes are perceived to have such powers.  Princes are so boring they have to have secret action-hero identities.

          Knights are more fun and shiny, but they're also socially complicated.  There may not be a princess equivalent, but there are equally fantastic counterparts like shiny, frilly pirates.  Of course, you have pirate princesses too: the best of all worlds!

  • I keep meaning (0 / 0)

    to post about our Disney vacation last month, but just haven't had the chance.  

    This diary reminded me about the "Bibbity Bobbity Boutique"... a new place in the Magic Kingdom where you can turn your little girl into a princess.  

    I knew it would be expensive... it's Disney for cripesakes.  I kept seeing little girls in the park... hair all done up with sparkles and beautiful princess gowns, shoes, crowns... you get the picture.  When I looked into it, I found out it cost $300.  Yes... three hundred fricken dollars!!!!!!!!  I could NOT believe it.  I can't imagine spending that kind of dough for my daughter to be a princess.  Yikes.  

    "We are the music makers, and we are the dreamers of the dream..."

    by 1plain1peanut on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 06:59:05 AM PDT

  • no pants! (0 / 0)

    I have boys and haven't had to deal with this, but a good friend of mine is in a very similar situation. She's a mountain climbing, soccer playing kind of woman and her four-year old daughter is obsessed with pink and purple clothes and is very into the ballerina/princess thing.

    The other day my friend went to pick her daughter up from preschool and her daughter was very upset. She had had an accident and the teachers had dressed her in some extra clothes they had at school. (I guess her bin was empty.) My friend thought her daughter was upset b/c she was embarrassed about the accident. Nope. She was crying because her teachers had dressed her in pants.

  • Just can't do it (0 / 0)

    Our 9 month old has beautiful dark brown skin and very very curly hair.  I can't let the Disney stuff get into our house.  I just can't.  It may be marketed to our  3 year old but it does absolutely nothing for our 9 month old.

    Case in point -- in Under the Sea the sea witch, Ursula, looks far more like my our 9 month old than Ariel does.  What exactly would that teach my daughter?  Disney just doesn't have many positive images for children who aren't white.  

    I feel the princess pain but it's the Disney stuff that I just can't handle.  And on this one I'm just going to be the mean mommy.

    • LOVE urusula (0 / 0)

      I have an Urusula doll on my windowill at work -- I shake it at people and say 'it'll cost ya" when they ask me for things -
      I also have Dorie the fish from Finding Nemo  ;-)

      • I see Ursula (0 / 0)

        as the epitome of the American corporation. Smart but in desperate need of a soul. :-) :-)

        [Ursula:] Have we got a deal?
        [Ariel:] If I become human, I'll never be with my father or sisters again.
        [Ursula:] But you'll have your man. Life's full of tough choices, innit?
        Oh - and there is one more thing. We haven't discussed the
        subject of payment.
        [Ariel:] But I don't have any -
        [Ursula:] I'm not asking much. Just a token, really, a trifle. What I want
        from you is...your voice.
        [Ariel:] But without my voice, how can I -
        [Ursula:] You'll have your looks! Your pretty face! And don't underestimate
        the importance of body language! Ha!

        The men up there don't like a lot of blabber
        They think a girl who gossips is a bore
        Yes, on land it's much preferred
        For ladies not to say a word
        And after all, dear, what is idle prattle for?
        Come on, they're not all that impressed with conversation
        True gentlemen avoid it when they can
        But they dote and swoon and fawn
        On a lady who's withdrawn
        It's she who holds her tongue who gets her man
        Come on, you poor unfortunate soul
        Go ahead!
        Make your choice!
        I'm a very busy woman
        And I haven't got all day
        It won't cost much
        Just your voice!
        You poor unfortunate soul
        It's sad
        But true
        If you want to cross a bridge, my sweet
        You've got to pay the toll
        Take a gulp and take a breath
        And go ahead and sign the scroll!
        Flotsam, Jetsam, now I've got her, boys
        The boss is on a roll
        This poor unfortunate soul.

        Man, it's a shame that Howard Ashman did not live to make more movies and soundtracks like The Little Mermaid and Beauty and the Beast.

    • Good luck, Anu (0 / 0)

      It's pervasive and once she hits preschool it's hard to stop the tidal wave!

      How's the baby?

      • Good! (0 / 0)

        Not perfect, but good.  We still have moderate mitral regurgitation, a left visual field deficit from the stroke and a (current) inability to eat by either breast or bottle.  I was worried about a g-tube for a bit and then I realized that what really worries me is that he won't grow.  So however he needs to be fed is how it'll be!

        My mood is decent right now which is good.  We found a nanny for next week (maybe longer) so that's not bad either.  We're paying an arm and a leg but we need her desperately!

    • It is a problem (0 / 0)

      There are Jasmine, Pocahontas, Mulan, and Lilo, but they're not set up so much as princesses. You might also look into the Miyazaki movies, from Japan. Disney imported them (I think probably because of the urging of John Lassiter at Pixar), but they are full of strong female characters. Kiki's Delivery Service and My Neighbor Totoro are good for all ages.

      • Actually Jasmine, Pocahontas, and Mulan (0 / 0)

        are all considered by Disney to be part of the princess gang.... they are marketed that way by Disney and I know this b/c Liza has about 3 jasmines, a mulan and a pocahontas doll.

        • I noticed that (0 / 0)

          They were included in the Disney Princess Pez dispenser set that was at AC Moore around Easter.  I noticed it because someone here said that they weren't included with the princess marketing on another princess thread on here a while back ago.

  • Oh no. (0 / 0)

    I've been fighting the Disney Princess demon with my 2 YO, but she still calls herself a Princess. I have no idea where it came from because she is the ONLY girl at daycare.

    WHY do the Disney Princesses bother me so much??

    IMHO, and to put it simply... they SUCK! At least super heroes go around saving people, have special powers and talents.... Princesses have stupid man problems, they rebel against their fathers (cause Mom is always dead) and all they want to do is wait around to be saved. Not at all the type of woman to be admired.

    (sigh)

  • Everything is a phase (0 / 0)

    This is my mantra of parenting that helps to keep me quasi sane.  It comes and I hate it, it goes and I miss it.  

    Truly.  I hated the bright pink sandals that DD had when she was 3. They matched nothing and she wore them every day.  It drove me crazy. But now, I remember it somewhat fondly. I mean when I see pictures, she was so little and so cute and loved the shoes so much....why did I care?

    DD at 14 looks girly (petite with long curly hair) but is a green belt in tae kwon do. She likes jewelry and nailpolish, but hates pink.  She's a mix and her own person for sure.  

    The teen phases also come and go just like the earlier ones did... but now I handle it with more grace.  This too shall pass!

  • Oh, we got Disney princesses. (0 / 0)

    And we've got My Little Ponies out the wazoo.  (One interesting progressive side effect of the ponies is that, since they're all female, the Pony Castle is matter-of-factly presided over by a "two mommies" couple!)

    But we've successfully avoided Bratz, and have very little in the way of Barbie.

    And my princess-loving, dress-enthusiast girlie-girl also loves creepy-crawly things and wants to be an entomologist when she grows up.

    Every home must find its own balance! :-)

  • We had the same outlook (0 / 0)

    When I was pregnant, we said we wouldn't put anything pink on a girl until she was old enough to ask for it.  Then I had a boy, and then another boy.  So you can imagine how amusing I found it when my 2-year-old son demanded exclusively pink clothes!  Over a year later at age 3.5, he just ended his "pink phase," though he still wears pink sometimes.

    Now that I've dressed my son in pink, I feel like I might dress a baby girl in pink (if we ever have one).  I've warmed up to the color a bit, and no longer see it as gender specific.

    • interesting update (0 / 0)

      so DS is passing through the pink phase? I always did think you approached it with great sensitivity.

      • I think it's ending (0 / 0)

        It's actually making me feel kind of sad.  He still loves pink and says it's his favorite color, but is becoming bothered when people think he's a girl.  To my knowledge, he hasn't faced any overt peer pressure, but he's starting to get the message from preschool that some things are expected of boys.  It's come along with a lot of talk about killing and pretend weapons, which I see as so sad, but also him socially assimilating, which I guess is sort of a good thing, right?  He's not the most socially aware kid so I guess he needs some skills to fit in with the boys in his class.  He really wanted to be part of the girl culture and play ponies and butterflies with them, but they totally rejected him, since that kind of play is only for girls (according to them).

        So I think he's just a kind of quirky kid who doesn't fit easily into boxes, and it should be fun and challenging to raise him!  Getting him dressed every morning is a huge battle, because he really wants to wear the pink clothes, but knows that it's not what society expects of him.

        Thanks for asking!

        • I'm sorry to hear that (0 / 0)

          he's feeling the social pressure so young. That really sucks. But he is lucky that he has you guys to be supportive of him!

          • We're trying to be supportive (0 / 0)

            I've been telling him that if he wants to wear pink, it's OK, and he can just tell people he's a boy.  But I feel like my influence in his life is already diminishing and he is looking more to the outside to see how he's supposed to act.  I'm trying to see the positive in this, since he does need to learn how to fit in with a group, but I want to make sure he maintains his sense of self as well.  I guess this will be an ongoing struggle through adolescence!

        • ponies (0 / 0)

          We need more boys who play ponies.

    • Okay. (0 / 0)

      THAT's funny.  :)

  • Princesses (0 / 0)

    I was just wondering the other day, whether I ever had a princess phase.  I think I sort of did: I was obsessed with jewelry, which I think is somehow tied up in the early Tolkien influence.  And Thailand was a great place for such an obsession.  

    But the jewelry-laden princesses I was obsessed with were always the sword-fighting kind, and often elves to boot.  And I didn't want to be them, just hang out with them or write their adventure stories.

    As far as Disney goes, I'm a huge fan of Lilo and Stitch.

  • :) (0 / 0)

    I named my daughter Aurora, so we got hit early.  My rule, so far has been: only the blue dress Sleeping beauty is allowed in the house.  Not the pink one.

    It stemmed from hating pink, but I got lucky, Aurora is limited to almost ONLY pink here in the States (Cinderella gets blue).  Rory loves Batman and Spiderman, and I'm hoping those will stick, even against preschool (she starts her first program in May).

    ::crosses fingers::

    I think the princess thing is so terrifying because they. don't. do. anything.  Spiderman is a hero...the girls all need rescuing.  I see the distinction, let me tell you.

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