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You All Die at 15

Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 12:09:53 AM PDT

Now a famous remark that French philosopher Denis Diderot included in a letter to a young female friend presumably on the verge of womanhood.  These words haunt me, perhaps because in my experience they ring so horribly true.  I am currently living somewhere in the middle of my own adolescence and that of my children's.  By the time my kids are teenagers, I would like to have made peace with the fact that I used to be one.  Right now?  I can't.

Without going into to much personal detail, I will say that my teenage years were normal.  I am not thinking about major trauma or violence.  Nor have I blocked any incidents out--journals from the time reveal that I remember everything in vivid detail, exactly as it happened.  I've only glanced over them once, though, and once was enough.  I remember too well.  I would "eternal sunshine" the whole period in a heartbeat if I could.  

Like anyone, I have faced a certain amount of adversity as any adult.  Less than most, but still, miscarriage, the surprising demolition of my house, employment troubles, financial troubles, bla, bla, bla...and I have successfully integrated all of these things into the person I am.  I rarely think about them, and neither do I live in denial about them.  It is what it is, and I'm at peace with that.  In the grand scheme of things, I know that these minor traumas don't rate high on the human misery scale at all.

I cannot do this with my adolescence.  I remember my first year of college, when my roommates would discuss their high school years--frequently.  I felt so mature and evolved.  "High school is over, losers!" I would unkindly think.  "Move on!"  I never, ever spoke of or thought about high school.  

Not until my late 20's or early 30's did these years come back to the front of my mind.  Suddenly, out of nowhere, a memory would hit me like a ton of bricks.  It was a new experience and I can't say that I cared for it.  Which brings me here today, triggered by Erika's recent story on the subject of teens involved in an incident that bears no resemblance to my own teenage years.  WTF?  

I am very worried about being the parent of a teenager, especially a teenage girl.  I wonder if the extent of my own scars may result from just how far out of their league my parents were when it came time to parent a teenager.  Simone is only four now, but I feel like I may need at least nine years to sift through my neuroses.  

Any teenager will tell you that parents should draw upon their own experiences as teens.  Remember what it was like.  They will say this with as much conviction as they will tell you that you couldn't possibly understand what it's like now.

However, a more interesting idea comes from Ariel Gore's Whatever Mom.  Forget.  At least put it on the back burner until your kids are done.  They are not you.  Stop projecting.  One brilliant mother says,

I've had to distance myself from those memories.  When I was full of my own teenage memories, I was a worse parent.  I projected on to my daughter.  I wanted to help her.  But she is not me.  I thought I knew that already, but I learned it once more.  She was very opposed and shitty to me until I learned how to detatch

This is not easy for me to write.  It is not easy to think about, either.  Yet I feel such a need to prepare.  And no, it does not feel too early.  Not by a long shot.  

A friend and I discussed this recently, and I was surprised to find that her feelings weren't so different from mine.  "I used to feel sorry for my infant self," she told me.  "But now I just have so much sorrow for my inner teenager."

What about you?  How do you feel about your adolescence in retrospect?  For those of you who have been there or are there now, how can your inner teenager and your teenage offspring live in the same house?

Tags: Adolescence, trauma, mothering (all tags)

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  • wow, Erin (0 / 0)

    you really write such insightful diaries. I am in total synch with you - total lockstep. I had a normal teenage experience. Normal for a nerdy, mouthy, feminist girl in the 90s, that is. No serious traumas, no repressed memories, no harm, nothing like that. But man, it was painful. I was so happy to turn 20 and feel that for me, life began when I was in the second half of my freshman year. I credit some wonderful friends and a few, slightly older women (like, 24 to my 19 and 20!) who were great mentors to me in teaching me.

    But I'm not willing to project that on to Jess - more than that; I refuse to project that on to Jess. I think Ms. Gore is totally on the money there. I hated some parts of being a teenager, Jess will probably feel frustration and angst against some parts of her life too (I'd be worried if she wasn't!). But my experience will not be her experience and I can't allow myself the luxury of thinking that all I have to do is keep her from experiencing the negatives that I experienced and she'll be fine.

    • me three (0 / 0)

      My high school experience wasn't traumatic or filled with horror, but I would not relive it for all the tea in China. I would not go back to feeling the way I did then if you paid me. I "found myself" in college.

      If I do bring anything of my own experience into my child rearing it'll be this: compassion when kids are feeling down (no "oh please, things are fine!), an ear to listen and a mouth that stays closed (adult advice so rarely works in the teenage world) and the ability to say, when it's appropriate, that life gets better the longer you live it- you aren't missing anything if you're not having the best time in high school, it just means your best times are yet to come.

      If only. To this end, I've written diaries to my future daughter since I was 17 in an effort to make sure the 17 year old me approves of the 45 year old mom I become when my own daughter is 17. I'll probably be my own best critic in that regard.

      • It's so weird to me (0 / 0)

        that people don't take teens' problems seriously.  I think maybe it's a lack of empathy borne of denial of their own experiences?  Teenagers are very capable of love, heartbreak, disappointment, despair...and they don't have the life experience to know that things will get better, either.

        • I think we forget the intensity and speed. (0 / 0)

          As we all get farther away from the raging hormones and the mood swings, we forget, unless we put an effort in to remember, how intense emotions could be over what now seem like small things. And so, because they often wouldn't affect adults as strongly, we brush off the teens because we assume they must be being dramatic about it. That's my gut feeling, anyway.

          "You're never more alone than when you're alone in a crowd."

          by Expat Briton on Mon Apr 14, 2008 at 07:41:38 AM PDT

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    • I like your phrasing (0 / 0)

      you refuse to project your own stuff onto Jess.  We do have a choice in these matters.  I don't even see that much of myself in Simone--in some ways she is very much like I was at her age, but so different in other ways.  I really like and enjoy her, and I have such a curiosity about how she will be in the future.  Hopefully a curiosity that I couldn't feel if I thought she was just an extension of me.

      The 90's, though.  I thought it was a great time to come of age.  I've always worn my child-of-the-90's badge with pride.  In grad school when I wrote a paper about my own ethnic background, I felt like more than where my ancestors came from, what really shaped me was growing up in Seattle in the 90's.  I will always be a little homesick for Bill Clinton and fishnets with runs in them.

      • I agree with you (0 / 0)

        I'd much rather have come of age when I did than in either the 80s or the naughties. Funny, that - it's a weird dichotomy; I have no wish to relive my teenage years, but I'm happy to have been a teenager when I was a teenager.

        The only thing is that being the age that we are, we really had the heavy-duty scare era of unprotected sex. AIDS hit so hard in my circle of family/friends, as we were very close with people my parents worked with in the mentally ill community of NYC. I do kind of wish I could have been a teenager when tjb22 et al were; it'd be nice to have had an era when sex wasn't a death sentence.

  • hope (0 / 0)

    I went to a Catholic K-8 school with the same twenty kids for elementary school.  The same twenty kids.  It was like a big family.  I can honestly say that we were all nice to each other (because God and the nuns were watching us!).  

    Then I went to public high school.  And again, everyone was super nice.  I had an awesome group of friends, guys and girls.  But even everyone else who wasn't my  close friend, was really nice too.  I don't remember any angst.  We hung out in the woods a lot, we hiked a lot, spent a lot of time outside.  

    I really liked high school.  Don't get me wrong, I liked college more, but I liked high school too.

    • That's good to know (0 / 0)

      If you had asked me at the time, I would have said I loved high school.  Mostly I knew nice kids, and rarely had contact with deliberate cruelty.  I guess it was maybe just finding my footing as a person that was so difficult.

      • footing (0 / 0)

        "Finding my footing as a person," now that you mention  it,  I don't think I did any of that in high school.  I think I just floated along.  I think I did that in college more, which is probably a better place for it!

    • You're that kid (0 / 0)

      When the Columbine shootings happened, there was a coffeshop discussion at my tech U. that revealed some interesting things about cruelty and endurance and and the horrible abuse often inflicted on nonconformists.  But there was one kid, who I believe also went to a small private school, who had no idea what we were talking about.  Doesn't everybody like high school?

      Although, actually, high school was ok.  It was middle school that was the real hell.  My parents, though, never knew anything was bad.  They knew I enjoyed school and my hobbies.  Which I did, and I don't feel I'm scarred for life, but it was obvious to me why some kids don't survive.

      • middle school (0 / 0)

        I guess I am that kid.

        The middle school model is a disaster in my opinion.  Throwing a bunch of preteens into a new school, letting them act like its high school, in some name of getting them ready for high school (because it takes like a day to learn how to open a locker and find your classes)-- creates a situation ripe for insecurities and hence, bullies.

        In K-8 schools, the older kids get to be the "older kids," already have their friends, and even get to mentor the little kids in school (we had a big/little brother-sister program with the K and 1st graders), all in an elementary setting where they are still taken care of as the elementary children that they are.

        I may have carried that positive K-8 experience into high school now that I think about it.

  • ouch (0 / 0)

    High school.
    I too found myself revisiting this period recently, and shrinking every time an old, buried embarrassment reared it's head.
    I was so awkward.  So uncomfortable in my own skin, and diving for the path to self-destruction.  I was like the Bob Dylan lyrics "You never turned around to see the frowns on the jokers and the clowns when they all did tricks for you..".  I kinda steamrolled over everything.
    I think preparedness as a parent is the key.  My parents were not prepared, nor did they prepare me for that hard time.  I too will do my best to approach both of my daughters as individuals in thier teenagehood. I will also do what I can to instill important tools within them during thier childhood that will help them to be stronger in thier grapple with high school.

    • Oh, the embarassment and awkwardness (0 / 0)

      I was such a nerd.  Not that I was bullied for it--if anyone held it against me, they didn't tell me about it.  But I still cringe at so many of my memories.  

      I think if my parents could have accepted the passing of time, things would have been a lot easier.  I feel like all they cared about was their own peace of mind, which I can understand.  But it had less to do with what was best for me and more to do with what was best for them.  I'd like to say that I could do it differently, but I can't make that promise.  My parents didn't know they were functioning in preserving their own best interest rather than mine, and I find that it's a skinny dance that I don't know if I master, either.

  • I know its scary right now, (0 / 0)

    but as your children get older, it becomes less and less so.  You're laying the groundwork right now...you're sharing who you are, and your values, with them on a daily basis.  They grow up seeing this, and it does make a difference when they get older.  

    My teenage years?  They were all right.  I'm happy now that I was part of a generation that was allowed a lot more leeway than our children are today.  We got to have "sex, drugs, and rock-n-roll" in what was really a very innocent time.  I did the usual things...but, I suppose I don't have many left over feelings because I felt I did these things, and at an early age, I was ready to say "been there, done that" and move on.  I've never regretted it.  Sometimes I think that today, we're so busy sheltering our kids from what our reality was that we're the reason we're seeing this extended adolescence.  Maybe we don't give them a chance to do in their teen years what they should be doing?  Arguments could be put forth for this being a good thing...but personally, I'm glad I didn't spend my 20's doing what I did when I was younger.  

    And really...the projecting never came up.  Kids are all so different, that for me it was difficult to draw a lot of comparison to my teenage self and the teenagers that each of mine either were or are.  Maybe that's the benefit of having more than one child...you get to see this more clearly.  With each one, I've tried to keep a distant guiding upper hand, if that makes sense...always steering them in what seems to be the direction they need to go.  A light touch with this...or, in today's  lingo, a "small footprint".  

    And ofcourse, now that some of them are adults, its kinda fun to let them get to know the real me...the me that isn't just "mommy". And ofcourse, maybe there's still enough of my teenage self left in me that I get a kick out the shock this occasions from time to time.

    • Seems to me (0 / 0)

      that you were born to be the mom of teenagers (although it seems that you enjoyed their early childhoods, too).  Do you think it's that you have so many, or that you just have a knack?  

      Were you a teen in the 70's or 80's?  For me it was the 90's, and it still felt pretty innocent.  I don't know many teenagers now, but from what I observe from afar, they only thing about them that seems any less innocent is the current trend toward consumption.  When I was a teenager, wealth was just embarrassing.  I'm so glad that I got to be a kid before the word "bling" was invented (yes, I know they don't say that anymore, but I think the idea is still there?)  What I'm getting at is, I wonder if teenagers are always pretty innocent, but parents get increasingly comfortable with encroaching on youth culture?

      • I was a teenager in the 70's. (0 / 0)

        I guess by "innoncent", I mean that we didn't have to deal with AIDS or crack cocaine.  We were still close enough to the 60's that "materialism" was viewed quite negatively.  

  • the hardest part (0 / 0)

    for me in parenting a teenager has been dealing with the independence/autonomy stuff.  Sometimes, as a normal part of growing up, DS doesn't want to be as close to me.  Which makes all the sense in the world to my brain, but there's a childish part of me that feels rejected and gets pissy.  

    Seeing that really attractive quality in myself, and trying to wrassle it to the ground so it doesn't damage our relationship, has turned out to be a challenge for me.  

    My own adolescence was not pretty but it doesn't seem to color things much now.  DS is so different from me, in so many good ways, that I don't find myself projecting.  Maybe because he's a boy?

    • I have daughters and sons, (0 / 0)

      and to be honest, my own teenage experience doesn't color a lot of my view of their teenage years.  You're right...they are each just so different, and quite frankly, the environment that they are growing up in is different, too.  

      And yes...I thought I was doing pretty good with the independence/autonomy issues.  Well, until my first one left home.  At that time, I was really glad that my mother had shared her experience with this with me. A couple of years after I left home, she told me that emotionally, she felt really abandoned by me....couldn't help feeling a little hurt that I had decided I'd rather live elsewhere.  She said she knew it wasn't rational, but that's how she had felt.  At that time, I thought this sounded a little batty.  However, when my first one left home, I really understood exactly what she meant and I was grateful that she'd shared this with me...otherwise I would have thought I had a screw loose.  

      • it does feel like (0 / 0)

        abandonment, doesn't it?  That's what's so irrational.  I am glad I'm not the only one who feels it as it's a bit shameful for me.  When my feelings are hurt I tend to withdraw, which I know can feel punishing.  Aaargh.

    • The rejection (0 / 0)

      scares me, even though I know that when the time comes the right thing to do would be to be happy to see my little people take wing.

      I think maybe your ds being a boy is a factor, though?  My fears of projection seem to apply more to Simone than Milo.  I worry about how he will fare, but I don't  feel like I have a sense of how he will feel inside (I don't with Simone, either, but that's what projection is all about, huh?), which I'm fairly certain is a good thing.  My sweet boy is so active and sociable, always smiling.  But for whatever reason, I have fears of depression and/or addiction.  I don't have specific fears like that with Simone; all I'm afraid of for her is an emotionally difficult journey.

      • Oh, I know! (0 / 0)

        I'm afraid that she will "die" at 15.

      • my sense from watching friends (0 / 0)

        is that so much of this stuff is easier with boys than girls.  Of course it depends on the kids.  I think I got lucky with DS's temperament.  Things don't seem to fester with him.

        As for depression / addiction, yikes.  I worry about those things too, as well as worrying about the fact that just as those fears are amping up, my knowledge of who he spends time with is plummeting.  When he goes to HS next year I won't have the same parent connections.  Maybe that's false security, anyway.

        • I worry (0 / 0)

          what kind of a horrible mother worries about her six-month-old becoming a drug addict, especially when he's such a delight?  If he does have problems with drugs, alcohol or depression, I will always wonder if it was a self fulfilling prophecy.

          • ya know (0 / 0)

            One of DS's best friends has parents who have worried about him becoming a drug addict since I met them when the kids were in first grade.  He is aware of their worry, and he jokes about drinking and taking drugs.  I've long thought it was a set-up for the kid for the parents to worry about it so openly and jovially.  I really hope he doesn't succumb.

            But I think we can have our private worries without scarring them for life, no?  I know what you mean though.

  • anyone? (0 / 0)

    I had such crap teenage years...and I do mean totally crap. On paper, I looked really successful and driven. But in reality I was truly miserable. I had so many issues that I won't go into them here.

    But I'm finding myself more and more reflecting on the treatment that one teacher doled out to me during high school...and getting angry all over again. I was too insecure at the time to realize that what he was doing was mean and over the top, but now that I reflect on the things that he said and the way that he treated me, I realize just how awful he really was. He must have really hated me. I have no idea why. But because he was my orchestra and marching band teacher, he had more opportunity than most teachers to make me miserable. I have this terrible urge to track him down and let him know what a miserable sack of *** I think he was. I won't. I have restraint. But does anyone else find themselves getting upset about things that happened when they were teenagers...despite the fact that it was a good twenty years ago?

    • Oh, yes. Definitely. (0 / 0)

      Someone above said that they wouldn't relive their teen years for all the tea in China (and that's a lot of tea - you'd be a rich person). I'll go one farther. If you told me I had to relive my life again, all of it, starting with the teen years, I'd put a gun to my head. I couldn't do it again. I don't think anything, anything could make going through that again worth it. Some wounds just always leave scars. Some days it feels like they never healed up at all.

      For me, there were teacher issues. I was a very talented musician, and way beyond where my classmates were at 11, so at my (pushy) mom's constant request, I asked to be let into the senior orchestra/bands. It was totally the right place for me to be (and I wasn't the only one, but I was the first to ask), but the music teachers really took that as an excuse to target me. I guess I probably seemed arrogant, and the funny part is I'd have never even asked if it hadn't been for my mom, it wasn't even my idea. Combined with butting heads over other things (most notably, the composition requirements where someone had had the bright idea of letting kids "explore" how to make music rather than actually teaching how to do so, something I'm utterly unable to do without rules to follow, so I skirted with failure on that and kept asking to be taught, and being knocked back), I had real issues with the teachers with whom I had most contact with.
      All of which pales in comparison to the bullying. I've read that 90% of kids with Asperger's are bullied on a daily basis. That was certainly my experience. There seems to be something about us that might as well be a shirt with "Target" written across it. I'd be shoved, kicked, spat on, and verbally abused by kids I'd never even met before just walking through the corridors. I can't explain it, there was just something about me. By the time I was 14, I wouldn't even use the school restrooms. It wasn't safe. I'd try to get home during my lunchbreak instead.
      I was suicidal for years, and did my fair share of cutting. You'd think that when you never wear short sleeves and have to keep laundry detergent hidden under the bed to wash the blood out of your clothes, parents would notice. Mine didn't (except once, and I refused to talk about it, and amazingly my mom never followed up).

      Since I've started reading about autism, it's brought a lot of it flooding back. It was always there, but the memories are a lot more raw again. In a lot of ways, I'm still emotional wreckage left over from my teen years. As for projecting? Not so worried about that onto any potential child I might have. Onto the other kids if they ever give my own trouble? Now that's a risk, and one I'll have to work hard on not doing.

      "You're never more alone than when you're alone in a crowd."

      by Expat Briton on Mon Apr 14, 2008 at 08:36:39 AM PDT

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      • Oh, I was going to mention to you (0 / 0)

        that I read Look Me in the Eye and would love to discuss it.  I've always felt that my dh had a mild case of Aspergers.  He read the book, too, but he wasn't really interested.  

        I can't believe the abuse you went through.  It's stunning to me that that can happen and is allowed.  So often it seems like teachers don't just allow it, but join in, as they did with the two of you.  I can't believe that a professional and an adult would participate in such a thing, but I've heard so many stories that I know they do.

        As for still feeling anger so many years later?  I do, but mostly at my parents.  I had some teachers I didn't like, some that were awful teachers, but none were deliberately harmful to me.

        • Sure. Do you want to E-mail, start a diary.. (0 / 0)

          ..or something else? You might find my wife's insight more helpful than my own, in that regard (she saw more of me in the book than I did). Some of the asides that weren't biographical were right on the money, I think, but much of the rest it's hard to tell sometimes both because of his personality and background. But I'd definitely be interested in discussing, sure.

          You know, mostly I got on OK with my teachers at school, I just hid what was going on. My gut was always that if what was happening was ever reported, the attempts to rectify the situation would make things worse, not better (and it did, at one point, get back to them and it did, in fact, make it worse not better). The situation with the music teachers was more like... we often hear the phrase "benign neglect," I think what I had developed after a few years into "malicious neglect." I think.. in my case there was just a perfect storm of different things going on. School, I'm mostly angry with the other kids. And.. disappointed with my parents. But I understand. My sister was a lot of trouble, and I think she managed to take up all their time and energy. So since I was quiet, it was just easier for me to be left to my own devices and.. I'm not so angry with my parents, but I really despise my sister.

          "You're never more alone than when you're alone in a crowd."

          by Expat Briton on Mon Apr 14, 2008 at 11:12:47 AM PDT

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          • I'll start a diary (0 / 0)

            that way, if anyone else read it, they can participate in the discussion, too.

            I'm not saying that this is the case with you, because obviously I know so little about your background, but do you think that some parents set up their children so that they will never be able to have a good relationship?  A friend and I were talking the other day about her challenging relationship with her siblings, but knowing what I know of her family, it's amazing that they get along as well as they do.  In her situation and so many others, I think, consider a dog fight:  do you blame one of the dogs, or do you blame Michael Vick?  

            My own anger at my parents isn't all encompassing.  I know that they were good and loving parents.  It's just that I think I've only recently allowed myself to admit that they made a handfull of big, stupid mistakes.  

            My daughter is calling me, but I'll post that diary this evening.

    • I hear you (0 / 0)

      Maybe I just think that being miserable is part and parcel of the teenage experience that I think my experience was normal? I know there were some definite abnormal aspects to those years that I hope I won't repeat.

      Yeah, I do actually get quite upset about a lot of things that happened to me when I was as teenager. Things not worth going into here at all. But recently, I've been practicing detachment - a.) I like me now, and I am who I am now because of who I was then; b.) Getting mad about it and confronting people is so not going to solve anything. So I'm just trying to let go. Being 3/4 the way around the world from places and people does help with that, you know!?!

      • I enjoy the distance. (0 / 0)

        I often (mostly) joke the best thing about living 7,000 miles away from my mom is I'm 7,000 miles away from my mom. I definitely relate to your "a", but at the same time what happened really shouldn't have happened. Obviously, confronting people isn't something I'm able to do, and I probably wouldn't even if I could, it's just still raw in a lot of ways, and a few times I've felt like I was finally moving on, only for it to turn out that I wasn't. I suspect the best I'll ever manage is detachment and suppression of the memories. I think part of the problem is I'll still tense up and feel a palpable sense of panic if I pass by a group of teenagers, and honestly I still (and I pass by a lot more now I have to walk the dog 3 times a day) find I'll occasionally have them shout random bits of abuse at me. What's with that? You know, people say it stops when you become an adult, but for whatever reason, not for me. So I still kind of feel like a target, and I can't get away from that feeling because although it's no longer daily, I do get to experience it first hand every 2 or 3 weeks. (Of course, having a dog that would quite happily protect me with her life at the time, I don't feel threatened in the same way I once would have.)

        "You're never more alone than when you're alone in a crowd."

        by Expat Briton on Tue Apr 15, 2008 at 08:37:14 AM PDT

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        • Really? (0 / 0)

          Do you ever try yelling back at them?  Do you live in an area where the kids are like that?

          I lived in Philly for a few years, and some of the young teens were really out of control in so many ways.  The girls would say things to me too when I was walking the dog (stupid stuff, like look at her big white butt, which I didn't even have back then).   Or real dumb stuff, like flat out "You ugly!"  Which I'm not.

          I would yell back at them and say "How do you think you make people feel when you say stuff like that?"  I also had a young teenager try to steal my dog once in Philly.

          Even here, in this neighborhood we live now, which is considered quite nice and sheltered, I caught a bunch of teens trying to kick down an association fence and I yelled at them from my yard.  First, they laughed at me, but then I said I was calling the cops and they scattered.

          Anyway, my point is, it's not you, it's them.  I don't like walking by a bunch of teens I don't know either.

          • Oh yeah... (0 / 0)

            I wrote in another diary about the group of five or six that we have here in our neighborhood...and yes, they're just brats.  We had a few in the neighborhood like this back about 12 or so years ago.  Only good thing is that they tend to grow out of this behavior a bit after they hit 16 or so.  

        • sure (0 / 0)

          accepting point a. doesn't mean that the bullying I went through was acceptable. It wasn't. Neither was yours.

          While I don't have a particular problem with confrontation, when I think about, say, going to the 15-year HS reunion and having a spray at people, I think, what exactly am I going to get out of this? Are people going to abjectly apologize? Nah. Although I do have to say that one guy who was particularly nasty to me at certain points in the middle and high school years did actually apologize. He's the best friend of my best friend's husband (they were deferred high school sweethearts). We were all in the wedding party together, and we were at the rehearsal dinner chatting. He did actually did say, "you know, I was really a sh*t to you during high school for no real reason and I'm sorry about that." Totally rocked my world. I wouldn't say we're friends or anything, but it really felt good that he said that.

          Now, remind me, EB - you're doing tutoring now? With what age group? I find it interesting that you have this palpable panic around teenagers but are working with kids. Not "interesting" in an amateur-shrink sense, of course. Perhaps working with teenagers one-on-one is different than seeing them in group situations?

          • Yeah, individually is better. (0 / 0)

            Although also remember that I'm mostly dealing with the administrative side of things. I only have one student, and he's a 5th grader, so he's pretty young, and so it's really not the same sort of dynamic as it would be with a teen. But even with teens... actually, with individuals I know pretty quickly whether one is within my comfort zone or not. We have a guy who comes in who's aiming to do baseball at college, and even though he's quiet and respectful (and I've actually helped him out with a couple of things, mostly letter writing) that feels weird. But there have been a couple of girls, more the shy type, that I knew were inside of my comfort zone. (That does make me wonder if, a bit, it has to do with sex - all my friends in High School were female by the time I was 14, I don't think I had a male friend 'til I was into University.)

            "You're never more alone than when you're alone in a crowd."

            by Expat Briton on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 12:28:50 PM PDT

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