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Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 05:09:33 PM PDT

Yes, we've discussed this before.  But today the "hygiene hypothesis" got the front page treatment from the Washington Post.

Immune systems on the attack

Now, as I've posted before, my brother has ulcerative colitis (UC).  This article was therefore VERY interesting to me.

The basic gist of the article, even though it was buried, is this:

The leading theory to explain the phenomenon holds that as modern medicine beats back bacterial, viral and parasitic diseases that have long plagued humanity, immune systems may fail to learn how to differentiate between real threats and benign invaders, such as ragweed pollen or food. Or perhaps because they are not busy fighting real threats, they overreact or even turn on the body's own tissues.

I've thought this for a while.  My brother is the only one in the family who has UC, but my dad and I both have hyperthyroidism which some say is also autoimmune based.  Now, hyperthyroidism has run in my family for about a hundred years or so, so the hypothesis can only go so far.  But the article has some really interesting stats:

Though the data are stronger for some diseases than others, and part of the increase may reflect better diagnoses, experts estimate that many allergies and immune-system diseases have doubled, tripled or even quadrupled in the last few decades, depending on the ailment and country. Some studies now indicate that more than half of the U.S. population has at least one allergy.

Yikes!  That's a lot of allergies.

One reason that many researchers suspect something about modern living is to blame is that the increases show up largely in highly developed countries in Europe, North America and elsewhere, and have only started to rise in other countries as they have become more developed.

Now, as my brother has astutely pointed out in the past, how do you distinguish who in the Third World is suffering from dysentery and who is suffering from UC without expensive tests?  This could just be a case of not having the right diagnostic tools.  This is where science comes in.

Another promising line of research involves giving patients microscopic parasitic worms to try to tamp down the immune system.

"We've seen rather dramatic improvements in patients' conditions," said Summers of the University of Iowa, who has treated more than 100 people with Crohn's disease or ulcerative colitis by giving them parasitic worms that infect pigs but are harmless to humans. "We're not claiming that this is a cure, but we saw a very dramatic improvement. Some patients went into complete remission."

Sounds gross, but man, I would swallow worms in a heartbeat if I had my brother's condition.  I'd feed them to my kid, too.  This paragraph, of course, gripped me, and was the reason I reread this article 4 or 5 times today.  Could it be this simple?  Could my brother be cured this easily?  It seems almost too good to be true.  But, man, its SO enticing.

As a mother, I spent the day thinking about the implications of this article.  Should I have skipped the chicken pox vaccine for DD, just so she could have fought it off and further developed her immune system?  (After watching my dad suffer from shingles, I really don't know.)  How long should I wait to take DD to the doctor for an earache or a fever now?  Should we get a dog, since the article mentions that kids with pets or who live on a farm have less problems?  The implications are wide ranging, and a little daunting.  All I know is that I would do quite a bit to prevent my daughter from getting her uncle's disease.

What would you do, MTs?  

Tags: hygiene hypothesis, autoimmune disorder, vaccines (all tags)

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  • Accidental immunity? (0 / 0)

    Since DS was 12 weeks early, spent enough time on oxygen to be diagnosed with chronic lung disease, and came home just in time for the start of the cold & flu season, we were ruthless about isolating him the first six months we had him at home.  No contact with anyone sick (we wore masks the one time we had colds), no contact with anyone who had kids or was around kids, jugs of Purell, no public excursions.  It worked; he didn't get sick all winter.

    It was our ped's thought that if DS got sick now, it might not be so bad because he needed to build immunity.  So we stopped being careful about who he saw, stopped wiping everything he could touch with antibacterial cloths, didn't get too concerned the times he licked the bottom of a shoe.  Oh, and I'm not the most dedicated housekeeper.  I give him a bath about three times a week because he doesn't sweat or get very dirty.

    He's 19 months now and has barely had a cold.  He's never had an ear infection.  He's around other kids, and granted, most of them are not in daycare, but we've been sick. My SIL, for example, makes her kids change clothes if they've been at a playground. She wipes off anything another kid might have touched before her kids can get to it. She scrubs her house, bathes her kids every night, and has gotten them into the habit of reaching for Purell when they're in public.  They are four and 20 months, and are each on their second or third set of ear tubes and are on & off antibiotics continuously. So I'm not sure what to think, but my observation so far has been maybe I've accidentally strengthened DS's immune system by letting him get exposed to stuff. I'm still knocking on wood though for his good health.

  • I don't know (0 / 0)

    I have celiac disease, or at least, I'm pretty sure that if I had health insurance and could afford to prove that I had celiac disease, I would be shown to have it.

    Anyway, yeah I would happily test out the worm theory, if it meant I could go near simple grains again without getting violently ill.  But I really don't know about the hygiene hypothesis.  For one thing, I am not exactly the goddess of domesticity.  My mother kept a very clean house, but I spent my early childhood running around outside, eating sand, trying out raw bird eggs, and generally doing every disgusting thing that a young child could think of.  Our house was pretty old and while it was kept very clean, we had pets and the sort of dust that just accumulates in old houses no matter what you do.

    I don't know if I'm buying it, on the individual level, because the people I know who are prone to allergies aren't necessarily the people I know who live in the cleanest houses.  Sometimes quite the opposite.  I think it must be more complicated than that.

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    by jenyum on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 07:57:11 PM PDT

  • timing (0 / 0)

    The beauty of the immune system is that it is designed to create a highly specific response to just about anything, no matter what it looks like.  The only thing it never expected was to see nothing at all.  So it's not programmed to handle that - it keeps looking for a hidden enemy that must be around.  And attacks it's best guesses.

    Some suggest it is the timing of exposures relative to the stage of development that is important here.  The immune system is very immature at birth are undergoes a great deal of development during the first year.  By protecting babies from germs until they're 'old enough' to deal with illnesses, it may be that we're actually missing the window of opportunity for training the immune system.  Of course the infant immune system continues to develop with or without challenge, but it was never designed for a germ free environment.

    I was never very good at immunology even back when I remembered what I studied, but I think the immune system is relatively mature by the end of the first (or was it second?) year.  So once our kids are past toddlerhood our hygiene practices may not matter all that much.  I'm sure there must be studies on this going on somewhere.

  • One of the things we know nothing about (0 / 0)

    is the role of our intestinal flora in our health and welfare.

    Just to start, you actually have more cells of bacteria - non-human DNA - in your gut than you have human cells in your whole body.

    So doesn't it then seem likely that the particular ratios of different species inside your gut would make a difference in your digestion, which then might be part of your overall health? After all, if you can't absorb, say, B-12, you're going to be deficient. Those bacteria are critical for digesting certain molecules, and so, it seems extremely plausible that a calorie is not the same for all humans - some people will get more energy from the same exact food than another person will, because of the intestinal flora.

    So worms sound nasty - and who knows exactly how they work - but if they do, it would be great.

    • worms (0 / 0)

      These observations were on a particular type of parasitic worm, the helminths.  Everybody knew already that industrial countries had higher rates of allergy and autoimmunity than developing countries, and that urban had higher rates than rural.  Most people assumed this was due to exposures in the urban or industrialized environment.  

      But then health workers started noticing some odd patterns as developing countries made progress in eliminating parasitic worms.  Some rural areas got rid of their worms on the early side, and the asthma and allergy rates went up along with the cities.  Meanwhile urban areas that failed to clean up their worm problems retained their healthy immune systems.  Researchers checked and sure enough, something about the worms appears to confer protection.  We're not sure what; it's still a work in progress.  DH told me that studies with ground up worms show the same effect, so it's not the living animal.  (Yes, this is considered dinner table conversation in our household.)

      • Wow, ground up ones too? (0 / 0)

        That's even more fascinating. I will be interested (as the only non-allergic non-asthmatic member of my household) in hearing more about that.

        • ground up worms (0 / 0)

          Getting the effect from worm extracts suggests that it is likely to be a simple immune response to the antigens.  The immune system looks at things in categories, and surface markers typical of parasites are among the most important.

          I didn't see the paper myself, but I'd be surprised if they don't already at least have it narrowed down to the protein fraction.  But I'm dead certain somebody is progressively fractionating this extract to figure out where the effect lies.

          • Interesting. (0 / 0)

            I'd read an article on this I think 5 years ago, now. Certainly before I came to the US. I think they used hookworms, and the hypothesis they were operating on was that the parasites, to prevent the immune system from killing them, suppressed the immune system somewhat (most parasites do this to a degree). Since we've lived with parasites for most of the history of humanity, really 'til early last century, our immune system is designed to cope with them. Remove them, and the consequent "jump" in effectiveness means it's going at shadows. Whether that's the mechanism here, or even if that hypothesis was right or not, I don't know. But it sounds right (which I guess isn't the most reliable way to decide on what's reality).

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            by Expat Briton on Fri Mar 07, 2008 at 02:17:47 PM PDT

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  • I have terrible allergies (0 / 0)

    and my folks always had at least a dog and a cat (usually more) and I was raised without air conditioning in Florida! Mildew, mold, dust all in the house.

    My Best Friend also has terrible (nearly life threatening) allergies to dust, cats, stuff and he was raised on a farm in New Hampshire.

    If they can isolate what it is exacly in n let my the environment that he and I somehow missed I would yake in in a flat minute. I can't even let my little girl have a cat because I'd have to move out! Sigh.

  • exposure (0 / 0)

    I get the hygiene hypothesis, but I'm a bigger believer that immune diseases have some sort of genetic basis, however complicated.  

    On exposing babies in their first year, I really don't get that.  They will get exposed just by being around any people.  On the flip side, RSV can be so dangerous to an infant, so keeping infants away from sick people seems wise.

    • different exposures (0 / 0)

      It presumably matters what they're exposed to.  The immune system wants diversity and complexity to chew on - it doesn't need to be harmful stuff to induce a response.  I don't think babies get a full range of exposures simply by being around people - and besides, nobody in my family has parasitic worms.  As far as I know.  :-)

      And you are right that there is a significant genetic component.

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