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Reflections of Your Worst Habits

Thu Mar 06, 2008 at 07:26:42 AM PDT

KC hit on this briefly in her "Consumer Diet" diary, but seeing as though it's been weighing on my mind lately, I thought I'd expound a little- I’m worried about the example I’m setting for my kid. I will admit the typical "won't someone PLEASE think of the children" bodice clutching that a lot of adults engage in is a huge pet peeve of mine, and I think that over-sanitizing a child's world by eliminating anything remotely bad, non-educational, or Adult does more harm than good. But lately... ugh.

Lily’s almost 2 now, so mimicking is in full force. I crack up when she tries to put on makeup, and I indulge her chap stick obsession. I like that she jams to a lot of different music and how she picks up her purse, keys and says “bye, goin’ to my car”. I even thought it was pretty darn funny when she repeated the f-word right back at me-I am a big believer in teaching kids, when they are older, that there are adult words and kid words. Nothing makes me crazier than when my niece tells me I can’t say a word like “stupid”- I can say whatever I want kid. Damn.

But there are other habits that I’m not so happy to see reflected back my way.

Shopping is one of the biggies. Lily loves to shop, will ask to go shop, pretends to shop at home, and is a budding consumer. She will pick things up in a store and say “in the cart!” if she wants them. The “put it back, please” that used to work isn’t cutting it anymore, and why should it- DH and I tend to purchase whatever calls out to us. The tantrums grow, and I know that’s an age thing, but still.

Eating habits are another. When she sees the golden arches, she starts asking for chicken and the other night she walked around asking for Cheeseburgers please. She wants chips for a snack now, like Daddy has every afternoon, and though we flat out refuse to even let her try it, she’s becoming very insistent on wanting pop.

Then there’s the parent-placement technique- if she sees one of us heading for a computer, it’s “no mommy, you sit here.” If we’re zoning with our TV she points to the remote and says “bye bye” (meaning, turn that damn thing off). She’s assigned a remote to all of us, which just tells me it’s in our hands an awful lot.  She can veg in front of the boob tube like DH and I tend to, and often I won’t have noticed that DH put on the THIRD episode of the Wiggles to keep her out of his hair- hello, there’s a reason they aren’t very long!!

When we talked about having kids, DH and I had long conversations about what was cool and what wasn’t. Gone are the violent video games in her presence, as are the horror movies.  But other than that? Not much has changed. We eat out too much, watch too much TV and shop too much. Convincing DH that this is a problem isn’t working- after all, we make it work, right? But the weight of knowing I’m setting an example is starting to get to me. Any bad habits you picked up from your parents (mine is the shopping one)? Any bad habits your kids are picking up from you? Any way you can think of that I can scare my DH into making some changes with me?

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  • Whew (0 / 0)

    I even thought it was pretty darn funny when she repeated the f-word right back at me-I am a big believer in teaching kids, when they are older, that there are adult words and kid words. Nothing makes me crazier than when my niece tells me I can’t say a word like "stupid"- I can say whatever I want kid. Damn.

    I thought it was just me.  LOL

    We're lucky in that my kid still hasn't figured out that you can take anything but bananas home from the store, and doesn't yet realize that "in the cart" means that it is coming home with us.

    Don't know what to tell you about Mickey D's...my daughter is 2.5 and has still NEVER eaten there.  (which, BTW, makes me think of a tabloid article I saw on how Cruise and his wife are denying Suri a normal life.  "No Happy Meals and No TV" the headline screamed.  Yeah, well, none for Rory either.  LOL)

    Not cleaning is a habit I've picked up from my mom (as is overeating) and Rory is starting to watch too much TV (how can you avoid a TV wider than she is tall?) from the brother.

    Oh, and the profanity.  LOL

  • Us too (0 / 0)

    Dad eats Doritos, so now DH, 18 mos, always wants them.  He can have a few.  And we break them into tiny pieces so he can eat them reeeaally slowly.  It concerns me that he sees us drinking soda (DH much more than me, but...) We don't let him have it, but I don't want him to even know of it as a common beverage.  I never did as a kid, just rootbeer on special occasions, and I think that was good for us.

    • Lily (0 / 0)

      even goes so far as to eat the super duper hot Doritos, and DH isn't careful with how many he gives. The pop thing? Ai. She looks at a drink and says "pop!" or "coffee!"

      Whenever I buy a coffee she wants one. I have gotten her luke-warmer steamers, which is essentially flavored milk, and she walks around saying "drinkin' my cof-fee" and holds it out like a little metro woman on her way to work. Hilarious... but...

      • That's funny and cute (0 / 0)

        I think my parents may have let us try coffee, or even beer, thereby convincing that adults are crazy people who drink disgusting things.  

        Well, I guess it would have been my mom's coffee, since she drinks it black.  My dad used to drink it Thai-style, with a buttload of sweetened condensed milk.  That would taste like candy.

        I think with coffee and liquor, it's no big deal of they get used to people having a cup once in a while.  But to see people be addicted, and act like the normal way to start the day is with a caffeine injection, and the way to relax is by getting drunk, that's way bad.  

        My little whitebread world was introduced to the concept of addiction when my aunt had to have surgery so she didn't have here normal five cups of coffee or whatever.  She was pretty messed up from withdrawl.

        • oh (0 / 0)

          But to see people be addicted, and act like the normal way to start the day is with a caffeine injection, and the way to relax is by getting drunk, that's way bad.  

          Back to the parenting drawing board...

          I childproofed my house but they got back in somehow.

          by lonestar canuck on Thu Mar 06, 2008 at 12:15:47 PM PDT

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        • well crap (0 / 0)

          By your standard, I'm a "way bad" mother. Yeah, I need my coffee in the morning. Wine in the evening is an "if I'm in the mood and not ovulating" thing (TMI, sorry!), but coffee? Definitely.

          • I really wrote "way bad?" (0 / 0)

            I wonder if that is what I meant.  
            But, yeah, it does bother me that people are dependent on chemicals to get through the day, and it scared me as a kid to see adults drunk, and therefore not able to be in control should something go wrong.  I guess I'm coming at it from an addictive personality perspective, and the knowlege that if I drank beer every evening, it would turn into self-medication.

            • well, you did write it (0 / 0)

              But to see people be addicted, and act like the normal way to start the day is with a caffeine injection, and the way to relax is by getting drunk, that's way bad.

              Bolding added by me.

              Well, I'll own the fact that drinking 2-4 cups of coffee means I'm chemically dependent. Sucks to be me.

              • it's all chemicals (0 / 0)

                some of us just manage ours better than others. I remember when I was preggo and hippie friends would ask if I didn't feel just SO clean and SO purified by the removal of alcohol, caffiene, sugar, etc. I thought 'no, I'm just cranky and can't stay awake'.

                love, love, love my chemical management.

                if you wobba cypress trees then I will wobba you

                by thais on Fri Mar 07, 2008 at 07:56:27 AM PDT

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  • hmmm... (0 / 0)

    I guess you could say we've got a stick up the butt, but we pretty much have banned soda and junk food from the house. I'm really careful about the nutritional content of snacks.    Both my husband and I have weight issues in our family, and he had a lot of soda in his house growing up and he "can't eat just one" when it comes to chips, so we just avoid it all.  We do, however, indulge in a trip to a fast food restaurant on occasion, probably monthly.  We're not complete meanies!

    We don't watch a lot of adult TV when the kids are around. And we do watch our language, it seems hypocritical to tell them they can't say stupid and then to turn around and say it yourself.  I can actually see your perspective as well, however.

    Shopping is a toughie.  My sons don't seem predisposed to want to shop, they don't pretend to shop at home.  But they certainly do ask for things at the store. Still, I guess we've done well enough in convincing them they can't have everything they want because they don't make us miserable if we say no.  I was expecting to never hear the end of it when we banned "fruit snacks" but they got over it quickly and really never ask for them anymore.

    I love to shop myself, but I prefer to shop alone or with a girlfriend, having a 5 year old and 7 year old boy with me interrupts my clearance rack zen.

    The habits I fear I am imparting to my kids are my tendency to raise my voice, and my involuntary tendency to roll my eyes.  Miles is working hard on learning that one, and at the moment it's a real "Do as I say not as I do" situation for me because I simply cannot control it!!!

    • Seriously, do as I say not as I do! (0 / 0)

      My friend's daughter was a very verbally precocious girl and was raised in a devout Christian household. One day she heard me say,"Oh my God!" to her mother and she pipes up from the backseat of my car with, "You're not supposed to say that! That's wrong!" Well, she had been at this sort of thing all day so I turned and said, "Sweetie, its not polite to correct adults! I am allowed to say what I think!"

      Her mother actually backed me up, thank goodness. But the kid looked like she had swallowed lemon juice, she was so put out. My biggest pet peeve is mouthy kids.

      My worst habit is probably... mouthiness! I was always back talking and just thinking I was so smart and so funny! Children are a great mirror and have much to teach us, however uncomfortable the message.

      I just try to be really cognizant that Darling Girl is learning by watching me. Fortunately she seems to have inherited a lot of her father's natural compassion and respect.

  • I wish the only bad habits (0 / 0)

    my kids picked up was a penchant for Fritos.

    My kids hear yelling at them, so now they yell at each other and - I hope not - but maybe classmates as well.  Oy.  Their dad is just plain mean sometimes.  It kills me but what can I do?

    As for shopping, I decided long before I had kids that mine would never have the "I want it" tantrum in a store.  We never indulged them with impulse buys.  So they're 10 and 7 and they don't ask for things in the store.  We can go to the store and get ingredients to make a dinner or a dessert, or laundry detergent, and treats rarely ever get placed into the cart.  They can also watch commercials on TV and analyze what the advertiser is trying to communicate - that their product is great (which may be a fabrication) and the actors are only pretending to like it.  The toy will break and the sugar-sweetened cereal will rot your teeth.  So I have kids who don't ask for stuff.  Mission accomplished.

    I have to say that that my kids aren't perfect, but in terms of being consumers, they are skeptics like their parents.  And even though we're drowning in stuff in our house, it doesn't get here by way of a shopping cart.  We don't really have the "disposable income" to dispose on whim purchases.

    • screaming (0 / 0)

      I have this fight- me quietly, him loudly- with DH all the time about his yelling. When he gets angry he screams like a lunatic, right in front of her. The diary I had written about nursemaid's elbow was going to partly be about how DH lost it at me, as she's crying with her arm hurt, screaming that I don't listen to him because he doesn't want to take her to the doctor. It was madness! DH doesn't yell at her, but around her for sure. It's so frustrating. I have said over and over, look, you CANNOT DO THAT. But how do you force someone to stop? If I walk away, he yells louder... if I leave, he yells when I come back. It's a very frustrating situation to be in.

  • Road rage (0 / 0)

    My kids picked up road rage from their Dad.  My normally easy going mild mannered husband gets really bugged in traffic and swears, etc.

    Both my daughter and son picked up this behavior now that they are drivers.  I hate it.

    • My husband is the same way (0 / 0)

      He's also very mild mannered, but gets so upset in traffic and when people don't drive the way he expects them to.  Come to think of it, my dad is the exact same way, and it's the only thing he gets upset about.

      I find myself frequently making the point that when you're stuck in traffic, you have two options.  You can either be stuck in traffic and tense, or you can be stuck in traffic and just chill out about it.

      I also nag him about listening to the traffic report while we're stuck in traffic, just to confirm that we are, in fact, in traffic.  It wouldn't bother me if it didn't mean turning off the kids music, which causes screaming, so then I'm stuck in the car with three unhappy people in traffic.

    • snicker... (0 / 0)

      I'm usually very patient in traffic. But the other day I nearly got cleaned up by a road train (that's a tractor trailer with up to five full trailers attached). Not safe things. Especially not good when you're in your lane, happily cruising along, and he decides that he wants your lane. They're so big that you can't drop back...and it was the freeway, so I couldn't really speed up. So I was on the shoulder, trying to slow down. I yelled "JESUS!!". Then the idiot passed me a few minutes later, making the crazy symbol at me out of this window. I was sooo tempted to follow him and give him a piece of my very stressed mind... Anyway. Five minutes later, I hear a little voice from the back seat. "I get it, mommy!" "What sweetheart?" "The truck was Jesus just like the baby in the barn at Christmas time, right?!" "ummmm..."

  • Oh the bad habits! (0 / 0)

    Lessee.....When #1 hears a car horn, she automatically goes "F***!".  Thank You L.A. traffic.  
    We really have to watch our tone of voice and our cursing-oh and Dad has to watch his inappropriate words.
    She said "prophylactic" right after he did the other day.
    That'll be a good one for the MIL. :)
    We have limited her tv watching to one movie while I'm cooking dinner, and they have to be approved by Mom and Dad.  No hyper, in your face, "commercially" sh**.  Her faves are "Singing In The Rain" and "Fantasia".  I'll take some adult content to obnoxious "consume me" charecters any day.
    Oh and she loves to fart and say "Where's The duck?".  Dad again.

  • cursing is my worst habit (0 / 0)

    i don't do it too much in front of the kids (or in general), but when something doesn't go right, you might hear a "sh*t!" come out of my mouth. my son picked up "damn" and was saying that. we made the classic mistake of making a big deal out of it, so of course he kept doing it. now we ignore it and he's morphed into saying, "damn, traffic jam, traffic jam." as though jam were the curse word. we chuckle at him behind his back.

    otherwise, i think we're doing okay on the consumerism. my kid will ask for stuff in the store, but we usually say no unless it's something he really could use and it's reasonably priced. he knows the term "pricey" and will ask if something is too pricey. he'l accept it if we say yes.

    • Occasional lapses (0 / 0)

      This certainly happened at our house too.  

      One time my 2 year old went outside, stuck out her hand (palm up), and declared "damn rain".  It was so hard not to laugh in front of her. I knew exactly where she heard it.  me! ;-)

  • Mine says, (0 / 0)

    w/ a mournful shake of her head..."We can't afford it!" (hee!)

  • Too funny! (0 / 0)

    DS is 19 months and has just began a new behavior.  If I'm at the computer and he doesn't want me to be, he walks up, pokes me in the leg, and says "All done," with the sign that we taught him to show he's finished eating.  I think it's hysterical.

    We feed him better than we ourselves eat.  He's never had soda, and doesn't seem real interested (or hasn't noticed) when we eat things that are different than what he has.  If we have ice cream, which he does like, he can still be put off pretty easily with just a taste or two.  We watch adult TV (he's barely ever seen a kids' show) and he doesn't seem much interested.  I'm not going to stop that, though.  When I was growing up, we always watched the news while we ate dinner, and while we didn't often have in-depth conversations about the news of the day, I do remember being aware of issues when I was in 4th or 5th grade.  My niece is in junior high and still not allowed to watch the news.  I'm not sure how she's ever going to form an interest in the outside world.

    I do have to start watching the language though.  My little mimic-monkey likes to say the last thing we say, so I've been hearing "shit" a few too many times!

    • Recently (0 / 0)

      Around 18 months, we were doing so well... she ate WAAAY better than we did, and didn't look twice at the TV. It's been recently, around the 21, 22 month mark? That it's really beginning to show :(

    • I am amazed (0 / 0)

      that he doesn't care that you get different food.  Everyone I know has examples of kids wanting their parents' food, even if it was the same stuff.  DH has it rough because he's allergic to milk and we drink milk and eat chesse, and mashed pototoes and mac n cheese made with milk, a lot.  He gets his own, and it looks the same, but of course he wants to eat off my plate.

      • I'm sure it will change (0 / 0)

        But for right now, as long as he has something, he's fine.  I probably should take a clue, and eat what we feed him since it's usual healthier, but it's things like green beans.  I don't like green beans and I'm not interested in forcing myself to try, but I hope DS might like them.

  • Unless the habits (0 / 0)

    are extremely harmful, I think some of this stuff gets way-overanalyzed.  I grew up in a house w/swearing, TV, a numerous other bad habits and I turned out okay.  Well, maybe after therapy.  ;-)

    Seriously, though... no one's perfect.  Sometimes I think stuff like this is just more fuel for mommy wars.  And guilt.

    • I was thinking the same thing (0 / 0)

      I wouldn't worry about it much.  My values are hugely different from my parents, and my children are having a very different childhood than I did.  Sometimes your bad habits just make your kids rebel by doing the opposite!

  • 10% difference (0 / 0)

    This is my "go to" thought for family life decision-making. If the change will not make at least a 10% difference in our lives- I let it go.

    If I think it will make more than a 10% difference, I try to make a decision in the "choose your battles" mode.  This is to say, is it important enough to me to fight for it? and enforce it- over, and over, and over again.

    I think what is most important is making a conscious decision about what is right for your family.

  • Big picture stuff (0 / 0)

    Recently, I've been surprised at how many things that I never thought would bother me really make me crazy coming out of my kids' mouths.
    Since my oldest started kindergarten, his speech has changed dramatically.  My husband and I don't really swear much to start with, so I'm not really worried about that.  But he's come up with a lot of really pejorative words recently, and the way he says them has really changed.  We've done from him yelling, "that's so silly!" to rolling his eyes and saying, "That's the STUPIDEST thing I've EVER seen" and calling people losers.  I know, I know, there are worse things in this world, but it's a real shock to see your sweet little boy positively dripping with disdain and directing comments like that toward other people.  

    So I'm trying to take more of a "big picture" approach to it.  Rather than making it a rule that he can't call his little brother a loser, we're trying to emphasize how powerful words and vocabulary are and how they impact other people.  It's a big message for a five year old and I don't expect he'll really stop calling people stupid losers anytime soon, but I think it'll will serve him better in the long run than really trying to micromanage his vocabulary.

    Shopping and buying "stuff" is definitely an area I'm working on, hence the Consumerism Diet.  The boys really don't toss stuff into the cart or throw tantrums over things, largely, I think, because it's never worked.  But I know that I'm still not sending the right message by the "but I want it" stuff I'm buying for myself, so I'm trying to emphasize responsible choices there, too.  My oldest had a total meltdown about a year ago over a Mater keychain at Home Depot.  I told him that I didn't have money for that today, but he's more than welcome to buy it with his own money.  On his own, he decided to start doing chores to earn money, and it's worked well since.  Of course, they're 5 and 4, so I'm sure it's still a work in progress.  And the more I can get my own spending in check, the easier it will be for them to learn.

    It's VERY important to me that the boys find some sort of physical activity that they really enjoy and learn to appreciate fitness and health.  That's a message that I really missed out on growing up and I don't think I would have had to struggle with my weight as much as I have, had I gotten it.  That's a total lead by example one, I think, so even when I don't WANT to go work out, I make myself go to something.

    Eating habits haven't been that big an issue.  We don't eat fast food.  We are trying to eat out less, and when we do, I don't give them the run of the kids menu.  I pick three or four things and let them  choose from there.  If they complain, I point out that they don't get a choice at home.  At home, I do all of the grocery shopping, so there's really no argument there.  We talk a lot about how some foods make you big and strong, so that's what we try to eat a lot of, and while other foods taste really good, they really don't help your body.  So those are just special treats.  I do try not to reward with food and keep food pretty emotionally neutral.   I'm a huge emotional eater, so it's really something I need to work on that I think will have some benefit to them, long term.  I don't think anybody is feeling too deprived, other than my husband, and he can get over it and buy a chocolate bar on the way home from work whenever he wants.  :)

    I need to work on not yelling and being more patient.   I need to continue to show them that apologies and acknowledging mistakes go a long way, but it has to be sincere.

    I completely agree with happy clam about picking your battles.  I guess I try to emphasize overall attitudes rather than setting a whole lot of rules, unless it's a real safety issue.  I'd rather them decide to finish their work because they see the benefits/consequences to not doing it than to constantly harangue them about stuff that's really pretty trivial.

    I didn't mean to write a novel.  

    The End.

    • Disdainfulness (0 / 0)

      I am totally with you on that one. Man, that would get to me. I'm no angel, but I don't talk like that about other people as a matter of course. And some people do. It's a totally learned behavior.

      If my son were to go to kindergarten and start talking like that, I would closely examine his new friends, and hatch a plan to get rid of the one(s) who are like that. Or closely monitor them, and intervene a bit with the bratty talk. (ITA that it wouldn't help to micromanage the vocabulary). And I would also take a good look-see at the TV shows he is watching. Many cartoon characters and kids movies and such have really bratty tones to them, and that would be history.

      I wouldn't be expecting perfection on this front, but I would be on a big hunt to figure out where it came from.

      • It doesn't take much... (0 / 0)

        for it to creep in.  I volunteer in his class, and I know all of the kids he plays with.  They're all good kids, but most of them have older siblings, and I'm sure that's where some of it is coming from.  Our neighborhood doesn't have a lot of kids, so play dates are always planned and really well supervised, usually with two or three boys from his class that I know well.  We don't watch much tv, and we're pretty picky about what it is.  I'm sure a lot of it is coming from the playground, where they have a couple of grades playing together.  He comes home talking about how they "played" XYZ on the playground, based on some tv show that I know he's never even heard of before.  So I'm kind of in a position where all I can do is remind him that it's not acceptable to speak to people like that and work on it from that end.

        Oh, and I didn't mean that to sound like I'm OK with him calling people stupid losers, etc.  Just that instead of making a rule that we don't use the word loser ever and keep adding to that list, we talk about WHY it wasn't a nice thing to say and what kind of impact it has on the other people around him.

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