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Update on diabetes death: Child not taken to doctor since age of 3

Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 11:33:05 AM PDT

Crossposted at Street Prophets

The Milwaukee Journal Sentinel has reported additional information in the death of Madeline Kara Neumann, which we discussed here on Friday.

The most damning information is that the girl, age 11, was last taken to the doctor at the age of 3.  Charges are now likely against her parents, Dale and Leilani Neumann, according to Everest Metro Police Chief Dan Vergin.

It was the action of extended family that brought the girl's condition to light.  Madeline's grandmother, who lives out of state, was reportedly concerned about her grandaughter's failing health and urged her daughter to seek medical treatment.

Evalani Gordon, the girl's grandmother, told an investigator that her granddaughter had been ill for one to 1 ½ weeks and reported that "Madeline was very tired and wanted to be held by mom."

She said three to four days before her granddaughter's death, "the girl only wanted to lie down and do homework from her bed." By Saturday, when the girl was unable to walk or talk, the grandmother, who lives out of state, told Leilani Neumann to take Madeline to a doctor, the document says.

"Leilani Neumann told Evalani Gordon that Madeline would be fine and God would heal her," according to the document.

On Sunday, Gordon spoke with Leilani Neumann and discovered the girl was in a coma. Gordon then contacted a daughter-in-law, Ariel Ness, who lives in California. Ness then called the Marathon County Dispatch Center.

That the parents did not realize their daughter was ill becomes harder and harder to belive, given the additional information.  Marathon County Medical Examiner John Larson, described Madeline as "emaciated", with an appearance of being malnutrition and dehydration.  As a parent, it is almost impossible for me to imagine watching a child waste away and not seeking out medical treatment of some kind.  That they allowed the child to fall into a coma and still not contact medical personnel is not only neglect, but sinful in my opinion.  

Police took from the home various medications, medical books, religious books, diaries, computers.   Additionally, eight Blue Cross HMO cards for the family were removed, although it was not reported whether or not the cards were active.

The three remaining children in the family are currently staying with extended family outside of the area, per an agreement made between the parents and Marathon County Department of Social Services.  They have received medical checkups.

While the outcome of the investigation is yet to be determined, one thing is clear - Madeline's death was preventable.

"Our feeling is it was an unnecessary death," Vergin said. "After everything else is said and done, it was unnecessary for the 11-year-old to die. She could have easily been treated and had a long, loving life here on Earth."

Tags: prayer, faith healing, child neglect (all tags)

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  • That's so sad (0 / 0)

    Why did the mandatory reporting laws fail this girl?  Was she home-schooled or out with a medical excuse for so long that nobody saw her waste away?

    Her siblings must be so sad, and I wonder if they're secretly worried that they, too, might be denied medical attention when they need it.  Will the parents tell them Madeleine is with her creator, so all is well?  Those poor kids.

    • The article did not say (0 / 0)

      I would have to think that as sick as that girl was, she would not have been in school.  There is no way she would have been functioning.  

      I can't imagine how it feels to be the other kids.  Particularly given the symptoms this girl had - they really seemed to mimic the flu for awhile.  To be afraid that everytime you got or someone got sick that you might die.  Horrid.

    • One reason (0 / 0)

      that the mandatory reporting laws fail in these cases is that even when CPS gets wind of a situation, their hands are tied by the state laws that assert, quite forcefully, that parents must be afforded the right to adhere to their religious beliefs (no matter how wacked out). I work as a Court Appointed Special Advocate (CASA) we see these situations so often. Unfortunately, these cases only get the attention they deserve when a child dies but a shocking number of children go without medical care for the same BS reasons this little girl needlessly suffered.  The needs of the children are almost always a distant second to the "rights of the parents". IMO, the law must be changed to put the basic needs of children first.

      • i agree the laws need to change. (0 / 0)

        Hardlyaclue,

        You wrote, "The needs of the children are almost always a distant second to the "rights of the parents". IMO, the law must be changed to put the basic needs of children first...." I agree with you And I have to say, how did this happen in this country that the "parental rights" are so entrenched? I'm in the Family Court System and its' the same thing.. giving one parent something and then appeasing the other parent and the child gets lost in the mix. I hear England has a more "child's rights' system than the US does. I don't know if that's true. I hear it's really also state to state. California, oddly, has a real entrenched parent's rights. I hear NY is more progressive and is putting children's rights ahead  in court cases. I don't know if this is true.  It's a really interesting issue.

  • Ugh (0 / 0)

    Religion is no excuse for this kind of treatment of a child.

  • Wow (0 / 0)

    That really is a lot of information that wasn't in the initial article!  Thanks for following up with more information.  What a heartbreaking case.  I also wonder about mandatory reporting in that case.  If she was so sick that she was out of school, wouldn't the school have asked for more information?

    • Homeschooled (0 / 0)

      I think she was homeschooled, but I can't find the link right now.  The parents had moved relatively recently and she had been traditionally schooled in her old town, but I think they were hs'ing now.

  • This is so sickening (0 / 0)

    I'm so glad you posted about this. I have been trying to keep up on this, and just cannot understand as a parent why they would let her wither away. Religion or not ...

  • awful (0 / 0)

    that poor girl. The heart just aches.

  • asdf (0 / 0)

    This is just awful.

    I understand putting your faith in God. But sometimes people aren't looking in the right places for God's miracles. To my mind, God has already given us the miracle that will cure our kids from grave illnesses.

    They are called "medicines."

    If you don't look at the past 100 years of medical developments and see a series of miraculous discoveries, I think you are missing something big.

  • I agree (0 / 0)

    Religious people who ignore that:

    "God has already given us the miracle that will cure our kids from grave illnesses.

    They are called "medicines."

    ... should not have children.

    As someone else posted, in the first story, do they live their entire lives like this?  Do they cross the street whenever and wherever they like?  God will save them? etc.  It is not silly.  It is as relevant as medical care is.

    They may practice whatever religion they choose -- for them, as adults.

    And make no mistake -- if they had their other children back, they would do the same thing.  

    My concern is for the remaining children.

    • they say they don't practice any religion (0 / 0)

      They believe God and the Bible are all they need.

      I wonder if this situation has changed their minds, or if they tell themselves the death was God's will.  It will be interesting to see if they ever regain custody of their other children.

      • I would bet (0 / 0)

        that they will say it was God's will for her to die. I don't know anyone who feels the way these people felt about going to physicians, but I have heard lots of religious people say it was "God's will" when someone dies, whether it's a horrible traffic accident or a long and difficult illness.

        • What makes people like this? (0 / 0)

          It's strange there are so many people who say it is God's will and are religious, yet they take their children and themselves to the doctor when sick. What makes others NOT do this? Was it callousness? Cruelty? How can one watch their child waste away? I can't wrap my mind or heart around this, but then again I can't fathom child abuse either.

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