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Switching Teams

Sun Mar 23, 2008 at 08:19:05 AM PDT

Cross-posted at Fussbucket

All's fair on reality television. People swap spouses, get new and improved homes to live in, and compete for titles like "Top Chef!" And now, according to this article in Newsweek, stay-at-home mothers can try out going back to work while the whole nation watches. The show is called "Secret Life of a Soccer Mom."

Umm, I think I'd almost rather be in therapy on television (and if you're an HBO watcher like me, you're seeing this very thing on "In Treatment." Love it.) I'd like to think that people out there would sympathize with a woman who had spent years at home raising children, side-stepping her own career path to wipe noses, give hugs, and sing silly songs. Maybe even root for her to find happiness and balance with kids who were just fine with a little less mommy time. But no.

If the initial reaction to the "Secret Life of a Soccer Mom," (Mondays at 10 p.m. ET) is any indication, TLC has struck one of the rawest nerves of parenting. In the show's March 3 premier Adrian Stark, a mother of three girls in suburban California, decides to go back to work full-time as a high fashion designer after 10 years at home. Stark's daughters are awestruck by the gowns she makes, and when she's offered a job, her physician husband gets teary with joy.

But as soon as the show aired, TLC's online message boards were  with comments from women outraged that Adrian would choose a career over being a stay-at-home mom (SAHM in parent lingo). The posts said the premise of the show is "sick" and Adrian is "selfish."

There were lots of nasty comments including someone saying that going back to work is "child abandonment." What is wrong with these people?

Women have been in the workforce for decades now, but the tension between moms who stay at home and those who, by choice, have jobs outside the home continues to brew. When in mixed company, mothers on both sides of the fence tend to tiptoe around the subject. Totally unvarnished confessions of either boredom or guilt are usually left to gatherings of moms of one's own kind.

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Lately I have been thinking about switching teams and going back to work. It's a hard decision. I don't want to give up all of the time that I have with my kids, but I'm ready to bring my work back into my life.  There are a number of valid reasons for this decision, but there's still some sting associated.

You do have to ask whether this decision is one that should be made in one week as part of a TV show. We're not talking about changing the color of your living room. The critical SAHMs are right in that if the moms choose work, their children's lives will be affected and that the adjustment is tough. And while the show gives a nod to the logistical trials ahead, when Adrian's husband points out that the fashion company won't care if one of their kids gets sick, a follow-up show could start about six months into Adrian's new career when she gets to have stereophonic guilt—the kind where you feel bad for leaving work and for getting home late.

What if the follow-up show found Adrian giddy with freedom, energy, and a renewed appreciation for the time she spends with her family? What if she feels happy with her decision and that happiness permeates every interaction she has with her husband and her kids? I don't doubt that she'll (read: I'll) feel guilt. But being a SAHM isn't stress-free either. Believe me.

I think what we're all looking for is balance. According to recent federal numbers, 70.5 percent of American women with children under 18 work outside the home—including 60 percent of mothers with children under 3. And what those mothers want, the article says, perhaps more than the choice of whether to work at all, is the option to work a little less. Currently three-quarters of them work full-time, but a July 2007 Pew Research Center survey found that only 21 percent of working mothers with children under 18 saw full-time work as the best arrangement, down from 32 percent in 1997.

So what say you MTers? Are you interested in watching this show or is it too sensitive a topic? Got any advice for me as I venture down this road?

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  • I won't watch the show (0 / 0)

    because I just don't watch reality shows.  

    This is going to continue to be a topic of discussion for many, many years.  What I would like to see more time devoted to is a conversation about how most working mothers don't have a choice.  That's the reality of the situation.  

    I wonder how many having this discussion are like my daughter and son-in-law to be.  They've already had a few words over it....he wants her to get that graduate degree, then stay home for a few years, full time, with children.  He had a very good income, so this is doable...however, as she points out, why on earth is he pushing her to finish that degree and go into debt so she can stay home just long enough to take away value from that degree?  This isn't my argument, and I'm staying out of it...but I see both sides.  My daughter is very lucky in that staying home, for however long she likes, is a real option.  However, she's also right in that it would be very difficult for her to take several years off and then try to re-enter.  She's very conflicted...and you know, maybe, after she has a baby (and she does really want to have one), the decision will be easier for her.  I know a lot of women for whom it became very clear once they weren't talking hypotheticals.

  • not ashamed (0 / 0)

    to say that i have no bones about saying that i am not cut out for being a stay at home mom. i have worked part-time since shortly after he was born, though it was NOT by choice, in that my work from home job fell through.

    about a year ago i switched to working mostly from home, with jah isaac at home with me. it is grueling. it has made me feel guilty on both counts - not doing a good enough job with him or with work.

    the reality is that i am rocking out on all counts and the guilt amounts to a hill of beans - it is a useless and stultifying emotion. it gets nothing accomplished.

    i say, each of us do what we can within our limitations, and stand tall and proud with our decisions and everyone else who seems to have an opinion about them can SUCK IT.

    :)

    We cannot defend freedom abroad by deserting it at home. - E.R. Murrow

    by lorin on Sun Mar 23, 2008 at 09:41:21 AM PDT

    • me, too (0 / 0)

      Since I lack the homemaking gene, there's not much for me to do at home.  Therefore, when I stay home I feel really bad about myself and get depressed.  We are all better off when I work.  We have my income plus benefits, which are helpful.  It's true that we don't have a clean house or the kind of home-cooked meals I would prefer, but honestly we wouldn't have those if I didn't work, either.  I'm just not cut out for it.

      • Agreed (0 / 0)

        I'm a grad student right now and DH does very well. I have a choice. But I've signed for a job starting next school year b/c when I work, we're all happy. I'm willing to take a big chunk of pay to hire a housekeeper b/c regardless of my job status or income, I'm not going to be a successful homemaker.  Ever.  I'm a better mom and wife b/c I work.

        "We've GOT to make noises in greater amounts! So, open your mouth, lad! For every voice counts!"

        by progressiveinky on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 08:29:57 AM PDT

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      • same here (0 / 0)

        I'm not cut out for the 24/7 mom job - when we all spend extended time at home together, no one's happy and the kids end up desperate for a break from me.  I'm hoping for a part time position when I finish grad school but in my field these are rare.

        Housecleaning can be outsourced -  my house is so much cleaner when someone else comes in once a week, and it wasn't a big chunk of my income (back when I had income).  My big concern is chauffeur time - getting my kids to and from activities is enormously time consuming.  I haven't yet figured out how we'll manage that.

  • Almost glad (0 / 0)

    Strangely, I feel glad that I didn't have a choice. I had to go back to work, so I rarely feel like I have to defend "my choice." And thankfully, I don't have anyone in my social life who would scold me about my work/parenting arrangement. My mom made me feel bad about being a working mom once, but it wasn't her intention.

    Part of why I get to avoid (most of) the guilt and get all the benefits of having a career is because I have FLEX TIME! Which is a parent's dream. And I can work from home when I need to.

    For a reality show about this topic to work, they have to show a stark transition--someone going from full-time mom to full-time whatever. The moms I know entered the workforce in a more graduated way--by taking a part-time job first. Both they and their children were able to transition in a gentler way, and it wasn't the kind of trauma/drama that makes for successful reality TV programming.

    In general, I get freaked out when I'm exposed to too many scolding, venomous, judgmental comments from anonymous absolutists on the internets--whether they are talking about politics or excoriating working moms. I don't want to stress myself out unnecessarily!

    • I feel that way too (0 / 0)

      I could have had a choice, had we a had a well-planned baby. And I wasn't really in a position to do good work when I went back, hence getting fired a year later.  But I needed to work because we need the money, and DS is a happily-socialized daycare kid.  I'm quite sure staying home would have just led to me being (more) depressed and him being bored.

  • You ask "what is wrong with these people" (0 / 0)

    The answer is, their own issues. People who judge others mercilessly are usually projecting their own issues onto others. Like, their own guilt, their own feelings about their moms working or not working, their own frustration staying home (which they can't admit to themselves, so they have to sublimate it and project their anger onto others who are trying to change their own situation). Not that we don't all have our own thoughts and opinions, but I truly believe that that is where most of the heated condemnation and vitriol comes from.

    • totally agree (0 / 0)

      The thing that is shocking to me about it is how hurtful people can be in order to feel better about themselves. There's no awareness of other people's feelings.

    • I think it is their own issues (0 / 0)

      I had a tough time deciding whether to go back to work or stay home when my son was born, and ended up deciding to stay home.  Had a few factors been different (like the commuting situation or cost of childcare) I probably would have decided to return to work.  At first, I found myself being judgmental of working moms in a defensive sort of way, since it was so hard for me to be sure of my own decision.

      Now that I'm a few years into this mostly-SAHM mom gig, I'm more comfortable with my decision.  I see that this set up works best for my family right now, and that at some point circumstances will be different and I will go back to work full-time.  So when I see working moms I see them as role models for what it will be like when I do go back to work full time, and pay close attention.  (I do work part-time now, but only about 8 hours a week, and my husband is with the kids the whole time, so somehow I don't see that as "counting.")

      • Yes ... when you're comfortable (0 / 0)

        with your situation, it's hard to judge others for doing what they have to do.

        I work part-time at home, but I do have on-site meetings and a lot of phone work (not to mention endless hours in my office and on my computer). It's been this way for the past 9.5 years. I have experienced both the best and the worst of both worlds: working and being at home. I can completely understand my friends who work full-time (because I have periods when I am essentially working full-time, too), as well as those who have been full-time SAHMs. I know the joys and frustrations of both, and I really get it when someone wants to either work more or be home more.

        I feel like I'm so busy trying to make my situation work for me that I don't have the time or energy to judge anyone else! Compassion is really what is needed here -- toward all mothers, and toward ourselves.

  • I have seen two episodes (0 / 0)

    of the show, and the one that got me was the woman who played chef at Chocolat for a week.  Why was the offer for full-time work and not as a part-time or as a temporary, occasional, fill-in?  Couldn't there have been a compromise?  I know, that would not have made good TV...but the great thing about the experience was that she got to see she still had what it took to be in the workforce and that is a HUGE confidence booster.  Maybe she can find a way to be part-time until her kids get older.  I dunno, but I was applauding her experience because I wish I could find my niche like she did, even if she didn't take the job offer.

    I am stuck in a rut with my SAHM lifestyle.  I hate the isolation.  I don't have close friends or relatives (my mom passed away in 1995).  My DH doesn't talk to me anymore (he's actually married to his laptop, how can I compete?).  I crave some interaction with people, and the income would be great, too.  I imagine being able to afford new flooring for my house, or having the funds to fix some of my health problems once and for all.  I imagine smiling more, relating to people.  Helping people.  

    I have no idea what I could do as a career, but if I did know, I would have to consider pursing it.  But my kids (and my dog) NEED me right now.  I've seen the after-school daycare offerings around here and they suck.  If I had my MIL nearby, she'd be perfect but she lives 2000 miles away.

    So...my personal musings are that I wish I had job prospects, and child care prospects, and extra money, and a more fulfilling life.  But I don't.  This is what I have and it's a sacrifice.  SAHM is not all happy and cushy.  Some of us are really suffering.

    • I can relate to that. (0 / 0)

      I chose to be at home.  Truthfully, when you have seven children, what choice do you really have?  For awhile, I was very active in my community and with other organizations.  This did help fill that need for a long while.  It didn't put in money in my pocket...truthfully, it cost money, but I am so glad I did it.  I'm not able to keep up with such things now, and you know, I'm ok with that because I had a lot of need opportunities to do some really interesting things and meet some really great people.  

      • curious about number of children (0 / 0)

        I'm a teacher and my plan right now is to return to work when my second-youngest child enters K (so when I only have to pay daycare for one kid).  We have two kids right now, but we think we probably want 4 kids.  Having a large family yourself, does this sound crazy to you?  Is it reasonable to work full-time during school hours and manage a family that size?  My husband is helpful and I feel like we can probably keep up on housework, etc., but I'm worried about how to manage sick days and doctors appointments for that many kids while working.  My husband is in a field where he would have some flexibility, but not a lot.

        Since you once had four kids, it would be great to hear your thoughts on this.  And I'd love to hear from others with big families where both parents work, or thoughts on whether this is a crazy expectation.  I'm not sure how the spacing will end up, but my guess is if we end up having four kids they'd be about 3, 5, 8, and 10 when I returned to work.  Or I might wait until the youngest is 5.

        • it's important to think through (0 / 0)

          what "full time" means.  If you really want to work around school hours -- dropping your kids off and picking them up with no before- or after-care --  you can't really work full time, since the school day is around 6 - 7 hours.  Just something to keep in mind.

          • I think I can pull it off as a teacher (0 / 0)

            If my kids go to the school I want them to go to, they'll be getting off the bus at 3:30.  Most schools around here end between 2:00 and 3:00, so I think I can work it out.  I'll probably end up going in early every morning and having my husband do the morning shift, possible with before school care at the school.  I know how demanding it is to be a teacher and I'm sure I'll have to put in some work evenings and weekends, but I'm hoping to be able to spend afternoons with the kids and avoid after school care most days.  It's still years away, so we'll see...

            • good luck (0 / 0)

              With all your planning I am sure you'll be able to make it work.  And it really helps to have a partner who can help out at one end of the schoolday, allowing you to work before your kids start school.

        • I think four and working (0 / 0)

          as a teacher would be doable.  For mothers, teaching is a great career choice for this reason...you have the same days off, it makes child care easier, etc.  And really, after kids get nine or ten, they can be very self sufficient...especially the oldest kids in the family.  The younger ones...not so much, and to be honest, that's one reason why it would be great to be back working, or otherwise having a life of your own, by the time the youngest are that age.  My two youngest are not doing too great in that department...at 13 and 15, they really are not as self sufficient as my oldest 3 were at 10 or 12.  Its been a little too easy for them.

          Having a husband with a somewhat flexible schedule helps, too.  For the past several years, my husband has had such a schedule again, and frankly, its how we function.  He had a similar schedule when the kids were all really little, and believe me, it helped me keep my sanity.  

          I know a lot of women with four children who work outside the home.  Not easy, but since yours oldest two would already be getting a bit older, I think it is certainly more than possible.

          • thanks for the perspective (0 / 0)

            I think the fact a couple of the kids will be older will make a huge difference.  Right now, my kids are 1 and 3, so thinking of them x2 would be really tough to manage with a job.  Even though I realize older kids still need guidance and support, at least they can usually get their own shoes and coats on.

    • don't be so quick to give up on afterschool (0 / 0)

      programs -- they can be your savior and honestly, your kids would be fine for a few hours...Liza's been in daycare since 14 weeks then full time kindergarten with afterschool, then 1, 2n, 3rd grade with afterschool...you get the drift.... in afterschool she gets to hang with her friends, finish her homework (YAY!!!) and have a snack. I don't get her until 4:30 - her dad doesn't get her until 5:30 on his weeks and you know what? she hasn't wilted yet  .... there are no bells and whistles at afterschool...same old classrooms, same old teachers...same old peeps...but she LOVES it  go figure.  I'd look into a few programs and see even about 2-3 days a week for your kids so you get SOME kind of a break to take time for you and figure out what you can or want to do... my 2nd job is in a bookstore only 2 evenings and one weekend afternoon a week but he has a couple women in there who work "mothers hours' a few days a week while kids are in school and it works out great, a little extra money and some intersting work...there is something out there for you..it doesn't have to be a 'career' it's ok for it to be a 'job'  as long as you like it and it helps you that's what matters.  YOU matter too.... don't give up the ship... i'm thinking of you.
      Katie

      • My DD LOVES Afterschool care (0 / 0)

        She doesn't go often, my DH and I split our hours (school and work)out of the house, but when she does go, she gets really excited.  And you are absolutely correct, there are no bells and whistles, it's the same teachers and everything, but she just LOVES it.

      • agreed (0 / 0)

        Now that children are no longer running free in their neighborhoods, afterschool care is where it's at.  A 100% child centered environment, with an infinite variety of activities, lots of friends to play with, under the emotionally neutral supervision of young and energetic counselors, not parents.

        My neighbor is a SAHM with 3 kids, the younger two the same age as mine.  Those kids are enormously jealous of my boys.  I don't really know how much the quality of these programs varies, but my boys and I are very happy with ours.

  • Lets be honest. (0 / 0)

    I realize you were exaggerating for effect, but this is an awfully high bar:

    What if the follow-up show found Adrian giddy with freedom, energy, and a renewed appreciation for the time she spends with her family? What if she feels happy with her decision and that happiness permeates every interaction she has with her husband and her kids?

    I work.  And it is by choice, because we don't want to cut back enough to afford for me to stay home.  I don't feel a lot of guilt at all.  But I sure as hell don't feel giddy with energy, and every interaction with my kid and hubby is not suffused with happiness.

    We need to be realistic about motherhood.  SAHM, WOHM, whatever, you are tired, you are stressed, and no one is June Cleaver.  There is no perfect balance, and I'm tired of searching for it.

    • I see your point (0 / 0)

      I was just trying to look at the assumption that a woman will be unhappy if she goes back to work. Guilt-ridden. As you noted my point was not to say that she would feel happy all the time, but just to put out there the idea that maybe she'd be a happier person and a "better" mother if she made the switch.

  • Women are people and they work! Period. (0 / 0)

    It's ridiculous that stay at home moms bash moms who work. Hello, women have always worked -- and being a mom is home is work. It's just different forms of work. And most women who have done both will tell you that being a fulltime mom is much harder than any job. I work a job and I'm a nearly a full-time mom and let me tell you, when I get in the car and can stop for coffee on the way to work...it's so damn relaxing. I love my son but it's exhausting being a fully present mom. I believe women should try to work once the children are in school just for the wonderful role model they give their little boys and girls. It's good for them to see their mothers go off to work. I didn't see this TV show but it sounds like the kids were wowed by their mother's talent and saw her in a new light. Only good can come from that new perception  -- and respect!! Anyone who thinks differently really needs to reevaluate, and look at what FEELINGS this show has triggered in them: jealousy, regret, fear? Hmmmm....look inside, I say. One's reaction speaks volumes about oneself.

    • role model (0 / 0)

      One of the reasons it's very important to me to go back to work is so that my kids see that women can work and be mothers, and I think it will result in a more even division of household chores in the home.

  • Tired of the myth (0 / 0)

    Women have not worked for the last few decades.  Women have ALWAYS worked.  Sure there were a minority that did not have to work for a paycheck or in support of the family business/agriculture for familial survival but those women were generally of the priveleged class and employed nannies/used boarding schools.

    Even this evening I heard my husband's grandmother talk about how women didn't work when she had her daughter and not two hours later talk about her job (one of many) in a men's clothing store - that she worked while children are young.

    We - the corporate and goverment we - are very invested in keeping this myth alive so that they do not have to come up with real child care, not only in terms of physical care while a parent isn't available but also in terms of familial leave policies, health insurance, parent education programs, family/employee friendly policies, quality primary-secondary-post-secondary education etc.  The deviciveness these shows and this myth creates keep us from addressing the real issues in providing for our children by keeping us pointing the fingers at each other.

  • Part time (0 / 0)

    Since our first son was born I've worked part time.  For me it is the best of all worlds - keeping a foot in the work world and making a little money, but still having plenty of time to spend with the kids and not feeling they are missing out on having a parent around.

    Since I have done this for several years I have sympathy for both "teams."  

    • this is my ideal situation (0 / 0)

      I've looked for part-time work, but haven't found anything in my field. It seems like it's either full time or nothing. I envy that you've been able to find lucrative work in part-time hours.

  • Would you like some cheese with that whine? (0 / 0)

    A few observations:

    -It's pretty clear which people aren't satisfied with their choices (SAHM versus WOHM): They're the ones who are looking around and criticizing other folks for making a choice that's different from theirs.

    -With a supportive spouse who does his fair share of the domestic & childrearing duties, this wouldn't be such a big issue.

    So-why aren't men by and large not doing this?  Why aren't media articles stating that men should carry their weight around "the house"?

    Hardly anyone looks at the men and says, Why aren't you doing more at home? Media reports only analyze this situation in terms of what women should be doing and what women need to give up.

    Absurd.

    The truth is that paid employment for either spouse has the primary purpose of financing the family and home. And-It seems to be that women are expected to seek self worth via home and hearth while men are encouraged to seek self worth via their job. (Until these antiquated and impractical social views are adjusted-the war will rage on.) And, the problem with the current expectations that fall on women is that economic conditions are dangerous for anyone who is not able to keep their resume show-room ready.

  • Happiness comes from within (0 / 0)

    I find I am most stressed about my decisions when I lose what I call my "f- 'em" mojo.  As soon as I start trying to figure out what people are saying to me and thinking about me, I get stressed and sleepless.  And that sucks.  

    Then, I get so annoyed at the fact that the judgement of others is keeping me up at night that I say, "f- 'em".  And I realize what makes me happy, and I can sleep.  

    For what it's worth, I am a full time WOHM, and the primary breadwinner.  It's stressful, it's difficult to balance everything, and I often feel that I'm not doing any of it well.  But my daughter is happy, my DH is pursuing a dream, and it's where I am right now.  

    F-em.  

    --R  

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