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The Tyranny of Dinner

Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 04:16:41 AM PDT

For many years now I've been a stay at home mom.  It wasn't my fault.  It just kind of happened.   Due to my stay at home mom status the whole "feeding the family" thing fell to me.   This was really not a good thing.   Not a good thing at all.   Although I do have several credits in Family Studies from High School I was never Mrs Moulder's favourite student.    And while the skills I learned in high school have served me at times - apparently food shouldn't all be the same colour on the plate and hockey puck is not a real "doneness" for steak - I still suck as a cook.   But the worst part of not being skillful in the kitchen is the fact that I have to make dinner every night.  Every Night...

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It used to be that every day around 3pm a dark cloud would come over me when I realized that I had to make dinner again.  That the Dude would be coming home from work and expecting that there would be food on the table.  Real food.   Real warm food.  And vegetables and stuff.   Now that he works from home he hits me with "So what's your plan for dinner?"  around 1pm.   As if somehow he thinks I have a plan.    He thinks I actually plan this stuff out and don't just stand in front of the fridge demanding that it throw something at me so I can cook it.    

It's not really the cooking of it that gets me down.  It's the deciding what to have.   I absolutely dread having to plan what's for dinner.  I even said to the Dude that I would shop and cook but I needed him to do the meal planning.  Just tell me that you want chicken on Tuesday and we will have chicken on Tuesday.  His response was to make a list of a bunch of things that were acceptable for dinner.  

"This is not what I asked for."  I said.

"Just pick something from the meat column and put it with something from the vegetable column and something from the starch column and you'll have dinner"  He said.  

"There are only two things in the vegetable column and the kids won't eat either of them.  Well, #2 will eat them but the other two kids will get scurvy" I said.

"Just pick something from each column and you'll have dinner" He said.

"You aren't doing what I asked.  Now you've made a list that makes more work for me." I said.

"Hmm..."  He said.

"I need you to pick" I said.

"No you don't."  He said.

So I ate him.  

No, I'm kidding.  I didn't actually eat him.  I should have.

Yesterday he pulled the "What's your plan for dinner?" question again.  

I said "Bacon and tomato sandwiches..."   He said "Is it low fat bacon?"   Seriously.   He asked me if it was low fat bacon.   Low fat bacon.   Bacon is pretty much all fat....Dude....

From now on my "plan" for dinner is to run and hide until everyone gets themselves a bowl of cereal or toasts a waffle.  

(crossposted at It's all good... )

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  • tyranny of routine (0 / 0)

    I actually enjoy cooking and I'm relatively good at it, but there are many days when the "what's the plan?" question sends me over the edge!  It's the routine, it's the idea that you can't skip a night.  UGH

    The planning is part of the burden - go back to your Dude and plan together - write a schedule for the week - also, cooking ahead makes the planning easier - some weeks I cook two or three meals on Sunday.  Then the refrigerator DOES actually throw something at me that we can eat.

  • So true! (0 / 0)

    I actually enjoy cooking and I'm relatively good at it, but there are many days when the "what's the plan?" question sends me over the edge!

    That's me. I have gotten really good at cooking--no cookbook required--despite being a home ec flunkie. Seriously, I was terrible at home ec-- because we had to bake, not cook, and I suck at baking.

    Anyway, it's planning the meals that I despise. Generally, if DH tells me what to make, I will make it happily, I am just so glad not to have to come up with ideas on my own.

    Fortunately, DS is easy to feed-- he eats several kinds of veggies, meat, and fish, and on nights when we want to make something he won't eat, I'm OK giving him chicken nuggets.

    I have just about given up getting DH to cook anything. He can broil a marinated pork chop with some help, but he requires so much assitance that I just do it myself most of the time.

    • ITA (0 / 0)

      And there's something WORSE about being home, IMO, and having the clock just kind of tick at you starting at 3 or so. I can make a good meal on the fly if I plan as I drive home from work, but if I'm sitting at home, 6 comes round and I'm at a loss!

  • my mother is a great cook but (0 / 0)

    she did the exact same thing when I was growing up.  Every day around 3PM she would open up the freezer or fridge and stare at it for awhile, lamenting she didn't know what to cook for our household of 5.  

    my hairdresser says she has different days.  Like, Monday=fish, tuesday=chicken, wednesday=pasta, thursday=i forget, and friday=pizza.  i thought that was a really good idea.  people then know what to expect and it's easier making that grocery shopping list!

  • hate it (0 / 0)

    Oh, how I hate cooking.  

    Let me back up. Oh, how I hate grocery shopping. That I've taken care of by switching to online grocery shopping and delivery so all I have to do is click away and magically a guy appears in my kitchen with grocery.

    Now, oh how I hate cooking.  When I lived alone, I ate well.  Random things, but all low-fat, protein, quick meals, no problem.  But people here won't eat that type of stuff or it's just feels wrong making eggs every night.  But OTOH, I'm 100% guaranteed that if I cook, the kids won't eat one bite of it, no matter what it is.

    I know a lot of older women who won't go near a kitchen because they are so traumatized of having to come up with meals for all of those years.

  • I'll admit from the outset... (0 / 0)

    that I'm pretty anal about menu planning.  I'm completely incapable of staring at a fridge full of food and turning it into dinner.  Sure, I could broil some random meat, steam some veggies, and maybe boil some pasta or rice, but I think that's the most boring way possible to put together a meal, and I really don't want to eat that.

    Every Wednesday night, I have a standing 30-45 minute date with my cookbooks and my laptop.  I plan five "real" dinners a week, plus another night with dinner just for the boys (date night), and we eat out as a family once a week or just have leftovers or sandwiches.  I try to look at our calendar for the week when planning meals, and put the really easy meals on busy night.  I make my grocery list on the same page and strikethrough items that I already have in the pantry, then I save the entire thing by date.  I know it sounds insanely regimented, but when I'm having a really busy week, I can just pull up and old menu/grocery list and re-use it.  And it's not like I can't re-arrange the days if I don't feel like cooking whatever is scheduled.  But I know exactly what's in the fridge and pantry and what I can do with it.

    The added bonus to really planning stuff out is that I've lost weight and it's really easy to keep track of what I'm eating.  It also stops me from impulse-buying at the grocery store, and we use everything we buy.  Not a lot gets tossed because of spoilage.

    • goddess! (0 / 0)

      my sil did this too.  she made a meal plan weekly and THEN headed to the grocery store. it is so smart.

      me?  well i use to love to cook and was good. then i had my daughter and well, we did ok together as on my own dinner can be hummus and vegetables. but then i married dh. and my first meal presented to him was a ginger pork prepared with 5 different kinds of ginger.  before even tasting it he poured ketchup ALL over the plate. aghast doesn't even cover my reaction.  we have real food issues.

      one thought...yahoo was running an easy 5 meal plan every week. i tried several..easy, good and healthy.

      • Ketchup? (0 / 0)

        I would have cried. I can relate. No matter what I make my DH, he has to put red pepper flakes or hot sauce on it. I've long since given up trying to explain why this is  offensive to me. As long as he keeps making me Indian food once a month, I'll let him get away with it.

        • Reminds me of "Chef." (0 / 0)

          It was a UK show starring Lenny Henry, the only scene that's stuck with me from that show was Henry screaming at a customer who put salt on their dinner before even tasting it.
          I'm a red pepper and ground black pepper junkie. I put it on just about everything (lots and lots of currys I think have messed up my palate a bit), but I do usually try food before doing that. Sometimes it's just inappropriate. How do you know what seasoning you need if you don't know what the base flavours are?

          Since I've been working full time, cooking has been really basic for us. I didn't do as many recipes as I feel like I ought to have done when I wasn't working (when my wife and I moved to Albuquerque, I spent 9 months or so not working), but I did at least meal plan for the week ahead, and tried to cook from scratch a couple of times a week. Since I've been employed, we've not really had the time for that (what is with these ridiculously long work days y'all insist on?), and lots of frozen and pre-made foods have been the order of the day. I just got myself a part time job instead of the full time one I'm in just now, and I'm hoping that'll allow me to get back to actually cooking, planning for the week ahead, etc. Until it dawned on me before that I needed to write out what I was going to cook ahead of time, cooking did intimidate me though. It was too easy to realise you didn't have one thing or another that you needed for dinner that evening. With a plan, you can make sure you have everything you need. It totally takes the stress off.

          "You're never more alone than when you're alone in a crowd."

          by Expat Briton on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 08:17:16 AM PDT

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        • yes ketchup... (0 / 0)

          let's just say dh does not have a refined palate :)
  • Tyranny of recipes (0 / 0)

    I really love food and cooking, but if I had to "plan" or 'choose something from each column,' I might throw myself off a bridge. I want to enjoy my food, not be a slave to it. I hear my friends lament that they need new 'recipes,' and I feel for them. I love to read cookbooks, but I rarely use recipes unless I'm trying something out of the ordinary. Recipes are a form of bondage. You think "Oh I'll make that--but I don't have a lemon, so I can't." It's too frustrating.

    For me, there are two keys to dealing with the dinner dilemma.

    1. Know how to shop and stock the pantry with staples that will go with any veggies or meats you have. If your kids will only eat chicken and broccoli, you can dress those up in a hundred different ways.  
    1. Simplify. Somtimes the simplest food is the best. For example, my kids love spaghetti with parsley, olive oil, lemon juice, pine nuts and parmesan. Stick a caesar salad with that puppy and you've got a beautiful meal that takes all of 20 minutes. Your DH wants more protein? Throw some bacon, beans or grilled chicken on top. You're done.

    Here are two ideas. The first is a link to an article by one of my food idols, Mark Bittman (a.k.a., the Minimalist). He's a food writer for the NYTimes and he's a total genius. This list is 101 Simple Meals for Summer. It's worth reading even if you never use any of the ideas. To me it was a great reminder of how simple a meal can be (and often is in other parts of the world). The meat/veg/starch formula doesn't have to be your standard.

    The other is this book: How to Cook Without a Book by Pamela Anderson (not THAT Pam Anderson!). I gave it to my sister when she moved into her first place and she said it was really helpful. It covers basic techniques and shopping strategies. Basically the idea is that if you have the right staples around, you can go to the store once a week, buy what's in season, and make a variety of easy meals on the fly.

    This is one of my favorite subjects. I could go on all day, but I'll spare you!

    • no cookbooks.. (0 / 0)

      i rarely use them either.  we aren't big red meat eaters so chicken has to be dressed up in many different ways.  i love marinated artichoke hearts...throw them on chicken, add a little olive oil and balsamic.  or lime chicken with tarragon, or one of those great Trader Joe's soy sauces.
    • Going off recipe - not as easy as it sounds!! (0 / 0)

      I can not go off recipe without the thing turning out horrible. Sure, sure, throw some olive oil and stuff on pasta, I can do that. But once you get to "throw some whatevers on the chicken, and then some whatevers, and it turns out great", you've completely lost me. I have no intuitive feel for the seasoning, so throwing stuff on stuff ... not a good thing.

      My husband still laughs his a$$ off about the time I tried to make soup by the "throw some stuff in the organic chicken broth from Trader Joes" method. I honestly thought that even I could make up soup. I threw some rice in there, and I can't remember what else, veggies of some sort, and it was truly inedible.

      I am intrigued by this How to Cook Without a Book. I'll check it out, because the dinner thing is the bane of my existence. I do love love love Mark Bittman and have one of his books, which tells you the side dishes and wine to serve with each recipe. Genius.

  • that night off (0 / 0)

    much as i love cooking, and I really do, we always have a frozen pizza or a roast stashed away for the night when you absolutely cannot imagine cooking. It helps!

    if you wobba cypress trees then I will wobba you

    by thais on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 07:24:48 AM PDT

  • This is not my favorite thing (0 / 0)

    Cooking -- not something that is a talent in my family. Literally, my Mom cooked ONLY on holidays when I was growing up. The rest of the time, either my stepdad cooked (which was rare), or we went out to eat. EVERY. NIGHT. No kidding. My friends used to love coming over to go out to eat, and I used to love going to their house to eat at home! It's a wonder that I'm not as big as a house! ha!

    When I left home, I started cooking ... because I was too poor to go out, and I had a little boy I needed to feed good things to. But I wouldn't say I was great at it.

    It wasn't until I got married almost 9 years ago that I really started practicing. I made lasagna every single weekend for months until I got it right.

    Now, I rely on the crockpot. And my DH does all the grocery shopping, so all I have to do is figure out what makes a meal. Not so bad!

  • I'll match your "What to Cook Conundrum" 'n raise (0 / 0)

    you a "Grocery Shopping Paralysis."

    I entered the "I don't know what to make for dinner" phase a few years ago and if that wasn't bad enough, I then tacked on the "I don't know what to purchase to turn ingredients into meals" problem.

    I walk through the grocery aisles and go to check out, discovering I have one package of chicken and a bag of pretzels in my cart.  Oops. Can't feed the family for a week on that!

    I'm stuck in a major rut.

    Luckily, my entire family is ecstatic when I make grilled cheese sandwiches for dinner.  Three times a week.  Do potato chips count as a vegetable? <gr>

  • God bless you, Lonestar... (0 / 0)

    You cook EVERY NIGHT? Yeah, I would dread it too!

    I admit, that for a while after I had Eli, we hired someone to come in, make three meals that would last us the whole week. But DH and I agreed that this would be temporary as it is a luxury we ultimately cannot afford. I ended up copying that woman. I now spend Saturdays, while Eli naps, cooking three huge meals that last us the whole week. Sometimes it is a drag. But for the most part, it is relaxing to peruse cookbooks, go food shopping and cook.

    A typical menu for me consists of a meal I actually know how to cook without a cookbook -- er, pasta. The second meal is a dish I stole from the cookbook that we liked and I am trying to memorize. The last one is something we have never had before, and let me tell you, there have been stinkers. I am with you Lonestar: cooking does not come naturally to me. I have ended up throwing away burnt food, or seeing DH and the kids ignore it in the fridge. "Why am I cooking, if you all are not eating it?"

    My husband: "Um, why aren't YOU eating it?"

    "Because it's disgusting." There you go! Have you considered spending one afternoon cooking? Of course, that would mean not minding microwaved leftovers. :-)

    • Oh and yes... (0 / 0)

      there is definitely a TV dinner night thrown in! Amy's mac and cheese and pizza all around!

    • I gotta start doing this (0 / 0)

      Maybe it's time to buckle down and do that on a Saturday. Dh could watch ds for that chunk of time, and I'd be done with it for the week. Heck, I could even wash and dry all the salad greens and be done with that part, too. Sigh.

      I, too, have burned things, once even by forgetting it was on the stove, and made things that are just yuck. Double sigh.

  • I cook nightly as well (0 / 0)

    and I subscribed to the Dinner Diva website. They give you shopping lists and 6 nights worth of menus a week. (7th day go out, order pizza whatever)

    Thye have a bunch of different types of menus you can subscribe to as well, vegetarian, low carb, frugal, all crockpot! I lurve this service. I ordered a one year subscription and then when my year was up I just strated at the begining and made them again! The menus are all seasonally based as well, so you know no fresh tomatoes in the winter or anything.

    My husband literally told me, "I have never had a bad meal from this thing." and he is the pickiest eater in my family. They also have lots of substitutions, I don't eat pork for instance, so they tell me what to sub in (usually chicken breasts). I find that we spend less on groceries now too, because I don't buy extra stuff that never gets eaten.

    I have been cooking long enough that I can use the recipes as jumping off points too. "No lemon, no problem, what acids do I have? Vinegar and lemon pepper? Sure!" I hate to sound like a commercial, but it really helped me out.

    • thanks! (0 / 0)

      will check out dinner diva, sounds fabulous.  i can't tell you how much spinach i throw out weekly...oh and apples ...grrr
    • Hey Suzanne, (0 / 0)

      What's the link to that site?  I did some searching but I'm not sure I'm coming up with the right one - mostly I'm getting personal chefs and while that would be awesome it's not practical.  

      "Nothing worth having comes without some kind of fight. Gotta kick at the darkness til it bleeds daylight"

      by lonestar canuck on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 08:16:41 AM PDT

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      • Also places (0 / 0)

        you can go and make a weeks worth of meals at a time - they provide the ingredients, step by step recipes, pre chop the stuff, and clean up - you assemble, bake, and take home to freeze. My SIL does it and really likes it. I'm a vegetarian so the entree options are too limited for my needs.

        • It would be great but (0 / 0)

          part of my ongoing dinner dilema is that my family won't eat that stuff.   They don't eat anything with sauce or casseroles or any of the easy to prepare kind of things.  

          When I was a kid we ate what was put in front of us...apparently my husband was picky as heck and it has come from his side.   When it doubt, I blame him.

          "Nothing worth having comes without some kind of fight. Gotta kick at the darkness til it bleeds daylight"

          by lonestar canuck on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 08:34:56 AM PDT

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          • Good point (0 / 0)

            part of my ongoing dinner dilema is that my family won't eat that stuff

            I dread the dinner making event each night, too. How is it I spend $200 at the grocery and have NOTHING to make for dinner? Ugh.

            I've been buying that V8 juice for DD - the one with the serving of veg in it - just to give myself some breathing room on the daily  fruit/veg serving requirements!

  • cooking strike (0 / 0)

    My friend's mom went on a cooking strike for years. Seriously, like 8 years. She would make something for herself when she felt like it, and that was it. She had three boys plus her husband, and they figured it out on their own.  I'm not sure what started it, but I can sympathize with you because I feel the same way. I have to decide what's for breakfast and lunch already! Why do I have to be responsible for dinner too?

  • I cook every night (0 / 0)

    Part of living in the sticks is that there is no take-out, not even pizza delivery.  And taking the kids out to eat can only happen about once a week, to save all our sanity.

    But, I don't plan the meals all on my own.  Everyone has to come up with dinner for one night during the week.  Saturdays is always pizza. That leaves me with two nights to fill and I can do that.

    I have tons of cookbooks but find that we eat a lot of recipes that aren't in cookbooks.  I have a 3-ring binder and I put recipes from magazines, computer, etc in page protected sleeves and that's my main cookbook.  The kids can also flip through that one when they don't know what they want for their night.

    I enjoy cooking but doing it every night has become something of a chore.  Kinda like grocery shopping - as soon as it's done, you have to think about starting all over again.

  • out of desperation (0 / 0)

    I have relegated cooking to the spirituality aspect of my life, so I don't get harried or resentful. I basically invoke home/hearth imagery and elevate it to almost meditation. And now that my daughter is bigger she is helping me cook and learning too. I remember scraping carrots for my Mom and grating cheese and just talking to her. I still treasure those memories and I want Darling Girl to think of me that way.

    Now...if I could get housework into the same sacred space! Or even just IRONING!!!! <grrrr>

    • emptying the dishwasher.. (0 / 0)

      i hate it,hate it hate it.  why is that?  and everyone in my family feels the same.  so kinda of like you, out of desperation i elevated the task to a meditation status..you know, enjoy the moment.  i swear i did this so that i am no longer aggravated by this dumb task...because it is kinda dumb to be so aggravated by such a dumb thing :)
  • love cooking, hate the "what's the plan" (0 / 0)

    whenever DH asks that question, my answer is always, "make you do it!" Consequently, he rarely asks the question anymore.

    I do a lot of bulk batch cooking - spaghetti sauce, soups, pesto - and just freeze family-sized portions. Usually, two nights a week are taken care of that way. Then, I always do a curry or a stir fry and because I'm from the "more is more" school of veg-adding, there's always enough for a second night. So that's four nights. Fridays are pizza night. Five nights. On the weekends, DH almost always does one barbeque - sometimes both nights. The seventh night can be a roast chicken (love baking!), or I'll cook something a bit special on Sundays (because I like cooking).

    Do you have a croc pot or similar? I mean, if you have to do something you hate, why not do it in large quantities to save yourself the rest of the week?

  • The conversation seemed familiar (0 / 0)

    I'm mostly a SAHM, but I work Saturdays.  So Saturdays is my husband's day to cook. He's a great cook, and did nearly all of the cooking before we had kids because he enjoyed it.  Now that he doesn't do it regularly, though, he finds it very overwhelming. Our rules are that he plans the meal for Saturday (though it can't be a meal I regularly cook), I'll buy ingredients if he tells me before I shop, he cooks, we eat.

    Nearly every Saturday, I get home from work and we have a conversation like this one (which we just had this past Saturday):

    Him:  So... what should I make for dinner?
    Me: I don't care what you make, as long as I'm not involved.
    Him: Hmmm... well.... what do you think we should have?
    Me: I don't care.  You decide and work it out.
    Him: (looking through fridge)  Well, we have all this zucchini, so how about I make that zucchini dish you make that we all really like?
    Me: Um, no.  The reason we have all that zucchini is because I'm planning to make that zucchini dish on Monday.
    Him: (sighing and looking at the fridge) I guess I have to go to the grocery store.

    I also hate planning meals, but I have a system that I like (that sounds kind of anal). I have a three week rotating schedule, and plan three meals a week.  When we get tired of dish, we replace it with a new one.  One meal is a big casserole that always leaves leftovers, my husband cooks one night, and the other nights we'll eat leftovers or just do something simple and kid-friendly (like toast and peanut butter with a side of veggies).

    I have a printed out shopping list and it's coded by week.  Every week, I highlight the items I need, and I know if it's "Week 1" on my rotation, I need to highlight all the items with 1 after it.  The shopping list is organized by aisle in the supermarket.

    It seems like a crazy system, but it takes most of the stress out of meal planning and shopping for me.  It's not as rigid as it seems, and the schedule tends to go out the window in the summer when we eat more in-season produce, but having a set plan to work from is important to me.

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    "Nothing worth having comes without some kind of fight. Gotta kick at the darkness til it bleeds daylight"

    by lonestar canuck on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 06:14:43 AM PDT

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    "Nothing worth having comes without some kind of fight. Gotta kick at the darkness til it bleeds daylight"

    by lonestar canuck on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 06:15:18 AM PDT

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