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Does motherhood count against you at work?

Tue Mar 18, 2008 at 10:29:01 AM PDT

(Crossposted at the Quad-City Times)

The baby has been healthy as a horse since she got her ear tubes (knock on wood).

But for months, and I mean MONTHS, she was really sick off and on. Mostly on. And I got sick a few times, too.

Even though my husband and I took turns staying home with her when she was feverish and yucky, I ended up having to take a lot of days off work. In fact, I think I’ve used up all of my sick time and personal days for the year already.

I was really worried about her, but also, I was worried about my job. I didn’t want anyone to think I was using the baby as an excuse to miss work -- because in the past, I didn’t even use ONE sick day all year.

I’m probably crazy, but I was so worried that I even told one of my bosses, "Please remember what it was like before I had the baby, and realize I’ll get back to that point again when she gets a little older and healthier."

She laughed and told me not to worry. She knows I’m a hard worker, she said. That was a relief.

But isn’t it sad that parents with little children feel the need to worry like this at all? If we’re keeping up with our workload, and still doing our best -- even if we aren’t getting the office face time -- we shouldn’t punish ourselves, or get punished by the bosses, right?

That’s not always the case. And for many of us, the worry about getting penalized for our parental status is legit. I read a story today that says motherhood really does count against women trying to get jobs in several states - and shockingly, it’s LEGAL. Check out the story the story by clicking here.

Here’s an excerpt:

"When Kiki Peppard applied for a secretarial job, her prospective employer asked if she was married and had children. After the single mother of two answered, she was told she wouldn’t be hired because she would cost the employer too much in health insurance.

At her next interview, the same questions came up and the Monroe County mom was turned away again because, she was told, "mothers take too many days off."

But the biggest surprise for Peppard, 53, of Effort, was learning this type of questioning is not against the law in Pennsylvania. Employers can and do ask questions about marital and family status and make decisions based on the answers.

Peppard said in more than a dozen job interviews in a row, she was rejected because she was a single mother. She ended up supporting her two children with temporary work supplemented by welfare and food stamps.

"It’s Pennsylvania’s dirty little secret," Peppard said. "I was forced into poverty because of an archaic law."

And Pennsylvania isn’t the only state that allows this. Questions about marital and family status -- and even childcare plans - are allowed in 28 states, according to the story.

The HR people at my job say that line of questioning certainly isn’t legal here in Iowa, and were surprised to hear it was legal anywhere.

What have you experienced? Do you think any form of "parental profiling" should be allowed? Do you think some employers have a point -- that employees with kids really do cost more money and time than maybe they’re worth?

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Tags: motherhood, work, penalized, sick, children, marital, family (all tags)

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  • my local paper! (0 / 0)

    This is my local paper -- you beat me to the punch.

    It's kind of breathtaking to me to think this is legal even though I've known about it for about a year, thanks to Moms Rising bringing it to our attention.  

    I think a lot of this kind of questioning during interviews takes place at more blue collar and secretarial level positions at bigger companies where HR directors know what they can get away with. It seems unthinkable to me that anyone interviewing at an arts organization would ever be asked this. I could, of course, be sadly mistaken.

    • I think it depends on the company (0 / 0)

      At the company I worked for in PA, we were part of a bigger corporation and our HR dept didn't allow us to ask such questions.  

      I'm not sure about arts organizations but I do know that in the ministry, such questions about a personal life are common and not prohibited.

      • But (0 / 0)

        family probably wouldn't count against ministers?  Or am I wrong?  

        • Ahhhh (0 / 0)

          Depends on the family.  Two mommmies/two daddies probably does count against you...

        • I don't actually know (0 / 0)

          Although most congregations really like a married pastor and some kids.  When Mr Mrs P and I got married, the pressure for kiddos came not from our families, but the ladies at church!

          I think that, depending on the denomination and part of the country, that what tessajp says below is true.  

          I believe that while Church & Ministry (the group that decides to ordain folks in the UCC) did not ask directly about sexuality, they had some "ballpark" questions that they'd ask that were supposed to lead to the discussion.  DH was single when he went through his process and he was ready to refuse to answer, on the grounds that it wasn't any of their damn business.  

          • Huh (0 / 0)

            I know the UUA is always bemoaning the low numbers of women and GLBT folks in certain positions (and especially, ministers of color), such as large churches, so I imagine they would try for a bit of affirmative action if you brought it up.  I don't know if they view family status in the same way.  (We have been minister hunting for 2 years now.  Nobody is that enthusiastic about Phoenix.  I guess I can't blame them.)

            I suppose it really isn't their business.  We had two minister-tossing scandals in the UCC church I grew up in.  If I recall correctly, one was about money and one was about sex, both with married guys.

  • Parental profiling (0 / 0)

    While they could make the line of questioning illegal, I don't see how it is possible to make unspoken assumptions and choices on the part of employers illegal.  

    The employer who sees a three year gap in an applicant's work history perhaps assumes it's due to birth/parenting even if they don't ask about it, and perhaps chooses another candidate instead who seems equally qualified.  Or who chooses not to hire someone because she wants to work part time, or just got married and (the employer might assume) may leave relatively soon if she has children.

    Kind of like equal housing opportunity.  They can make the landlord accept applications from anybody, but they aren't able to make them pick a nonwhite renter.

  • Wow! (0 / 0)

    I can't believe that's legal!  

    (On a totally unrelated note, her daughter and i share a name...it's unusual enough that I'm thrilled everytime it happens!)

  • I have some sympathy for the companies (0 / 0)

    Health insurance costs have become too much of a burden on small employers.  The addition of an older or sicker employee, or one responsible for children, is going to push the premiums higher for everyone.  If an employer is trying to do the right thing and offer insurance to his current employees but is having trouble meeting the cost, can you blame him for wanting to hire only the youngest and healthiest single candidates?

    We need to take the responsibility for health care away from the employers.  

  • I feel very lucky (0 / 0)

    to work in a child/family friendly field - we work with children and families, and many of us at work have kids.  In my experience, as a boss and as a worker, organizations that recognize that people have lives outside of the work environment (whether it's kids or parents or other things) and that create some flexibility in their work environment, have happier more productive employees.

    Another division in our agency is less flexible and their staff are less happy, report less satisfaction with jobs and supervisors on their staff surveys, and turn over more quickly.

    Someone who wouldn't hire me because of my children is (IMHO) someone for whom I wouldn't want to work because it signals an unfriendly work environment.  That said, not everyone is as lucky as I have been to have choices about where to work.

  • I have a sorta contradiction in my office. (0 / 0)

    My boss says and does all the right things--happy for me about the pregnancy, says he will do all he can for the pregnancy to be smooth at work.  Asks me all the time how I'm feeling.  I have good happy feelings.  Last week, one of the coworkers' FIL died, and he sent out a nice email telling the staff and telling us to remember what's really important--sets the right tone, y'know.

    But.  He's a total workaholic.  He has no family, so 16 hour days at the office are the standard for him.  He does not hold anyone else to the standard, but those in the office longer than me say he does have expectations that his staff is dedicated to the job, willing to log the time if necessary, and that he would never entertain a shift to PT hours, which is supposedly an option.  So I guess there is a limit to his family friendliness, but for now I can cope.  I don't know if I would want to go PT, its something I thought about.  But I would have to find another office to do it.

    I do talk about the pregnancy in the office a lot right now, because i've just come out of the closet and everyone is asking me questions.  I'm also still sick, so I look terrible and walk around muttering that I'm going to puke.  (Its like I have tourrette's--I can't control what comes out of my mouth.  Oy.)  but I've also been busting my butt on a project, so I think I'm balancing it out.  One of the senior guys today did say something about not wanting to ask the pregnant woman to go get something (in a nice, chivalrous way) and I was very clear that he shouldn't do that, and that I would tell them when I couldn't handle something.  We're looking at having to move soon, and I KNOW I can't do any lifting, so I already made that clear to them.  And that I can't travel out of CONUS for now.  (CONUS-continental US). So, there's a balance there, and I feel good about it right now.

  • Double assumptions (0 / 0)

    It's interesting: I think sometimes lesbians and gay men get caught in a double trap. Companies that are willing to hire us (and have DP benefits to match), may also secretly assume that they're getting a deal because we're less likely to have kids vying for our time. That may have been the case years ago, but the gap is closing fast, and it's a dangerous assumption.

    --Dana
    Mombian: Sustenance for Lesbian Moms
    http://www.mombian.com

    by Dana on Wed Mar 19, 2008 at 09:27:09 AM PDT

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