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Those Smart Finns

Fri Feb 29, 2008 at 01:06:32 PM PDT

The Wall Street Journal has a fascinating article about the Finnish education system, which can boast of posting the highest overall scores in science, math and reading in a recent international comparison. (The U.S. scored just below average among 57 countries.) This is despite the fact that they eschew much of what we demand in our schools:

High-school students here rarely get more than a half-hour of homework a night. They have no school uniforms, no honor societies, no valedictorians, no tardy bells and no classes for the gifted. There is little standardized testing, few parents agonize over college and kids don't start school until age 7.

What's more, there's  no marching band, no prom, so sports. Just school. Notably, Finnish teachers are paid the rough equivalent of U.S. teacher salaries. How can this be?

Well, it seems that Finnish teachers are treated like...professional adults.

The Norssi School is run like a teaching hospital, with about 800 teacher trainees each year. Graduate students work with kids while instructors evaluate from the sidelines. Teachers must hold master's degrees, and the profession is highly competitive: More than 40 people may apply for a single job. Their salaries are similar to those of U.S. teachers, but they generally have more freedom (emphasis mine).

Finnish teachers pick books and customize lessons as they shape students to national standards. "In most countries, education feels like a car factory. In Finland, the teachers are the entrepreneurs,"

I would  have a master's in education, but I changed course during student teaching, realizing that I'd never survive the "soul crushing bureaucracy." As the child of two teachers, I was horrified to learn how little respect teachers received from their own institutions. I didn't know which force was more infantilizing: the government, the parents or the union.

I am interested to hear the opinions of our many MT teachers. What do you think of Finnish education, and could we ever apply their techniques to our admittedly more complicated educational system?

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  • Good article (0 / 0)

    Thanks for the link.

    The interpretation I've always heard is that Finland is a more homogeneous society, so has more homogeneous outcomes.  I'm not sure I quite buy this.  But I imagine it's easier to teach to a group when everyone in the group comes from a similar background, socioeconomic status, etc.  It seems like in the US these days every other kid's got an IEP - how does a teacher manage a class when half of them must have individualized lesson plans and accomodations?

    If the applicant pool to jobs ratio is 40 to 1, teaching must be a pretty sweet job.  So yeah, good and motivated teachers have got to be a factor.  But I've always heard that the academic research doesn't show much benefit to homework, so I guess I'm not surprised by that part.

    My favorite quote was from the US superintendant:

    He says he is trying to make his schools more rigorous by asking parents to demand more from their children.

    Good luck with that strategy.

  • My favorite subject! (0 / 0)

    I first moved to Finland in '97 as an exchange student during my senior year of high school and ended up staying for two years of college after that. Finland has an excellent educational system, and I'm not surprised by their test scores.

    My husband is a high school physics teacher, and we talk about the difference in education systems around the world quite a lot. One of his pet peeves is students who shouldn't be and don't want to be in high school. Before everyone gets offended, let me explain... Not everyone is cut out for academic life or even a white collar job. You don't necessarily need a  college degree to support yourself and be successful. Brick layers, factory workers, miners, etc make more money than my husband does with his masters degree + 60 something credits. Good for them.  One of the main reasons for working is to provide for yourself, so I don't understand why career choices tend to be so ego driven.

    Finns start vocational school if they wish during middle school, and it continues through the high school years. Their votech schools aren't all auto shop and hair salons like I remember our votech in the US used to be. They offer training for careers in nursing, media production, etc. That means that everyone that is in the academic high school is there because they want to be.  

    There are no attendance requirements in high school (that I remember) because they believe that if you expect to pass the class, you should probably show up. I loved the freedom.  I have to admit that I spent many sunny afternoons skipping chemistry to have a few beers with my friends by the river, but I valued school that much more because I was given the opportunity to blow off steam when I needed it.

    The culture is very different from ours. It's hard to explain. I remember being surprised by how little people talk.  When they say something, they really mean it. They have a hard time understanding small talk. Children are very independent. I used to have to walk under a small bridge on the way home from school, and during the winter (when it's always dark) a small gang of elementary school kids would pummel me with snowballs from the top. I loved it. I'd never see that here. You don't even see kids in their own yards anymore.

    I'm so "homesick" now! When I lived there, I wanted to stay forever and raise my kids there. Violence is minimal, the environment is stunning, and the people are so practical. They elected their first woman president before 2000. A single woman with a son who lived with her boyfriend and doesn't belong to the church. Not a problem! She was even re-elected. Can you see why I liked it so much?

    • Wow... (0 / 0)

      If it wasn't so cold and dark, I'd like to live there! We visited Denmark and Sweden in December. I could deal with the cold...but the dark got to me.

      However...I like your point about high school not being for everyone. And ten years ago (before I moved to Australia), it might have horrified me. After all, everyone has the right to an education. But after being here, where people choose in year ten whether or not they are going to uni or whether they are leaving school to enter an apprenticeship (or various other ways of entering a vocational trade)...I can see the merits. The tiler that I'm paying right now is making $1500 a day. I wish I was a tiler.

      Having said that, I've had to realize that I'm an intellectual snob in some ways. While I realize that this idea has merit, and even helps society run a bit more smoothly...if my child wanted to quit school in year ten to be a plumber, I would have a really hard time dealing with it. I hope that I would be able to realize that they could always decide to go to uni later, on a different path, and that being a plumber isn't a bad thing...but my first reaction is horror. Luckily I have a few years to prepare my reaction...

    • Thank you (0 / 0)

      for sharing your fascinating experience. I think offering tracks to kids is a great idea that has been largely lost. The article mentioned that the tests were administered to the entire nation, regardless of tracks, so I'm guessing Finland has the smartest mechanics in the world!

      How about instead of 'No Child Left Behind' we have 'No Child Forced to Become an Academic Against Their Will'?!

      OT: LOVE your name (IF that's your real name!). I have a Mina in my family, and I think it's a beautiful name. Do you pronounce it with a long 'e' sound?

      • not my name (0 / 0)

        Thanks for the compliment! It's my 22 month old's version of mommy. He pronounces it "may-nah", and I have to admit that I'm fond of it too.

        I've been hearing stories on NPR about the importance of creative play in early childhood, and it has me thinking a lot. I think that Finns are onto something starting school later. On a side note, some of you will be excited to hear that they start Swedish or Finnish that first year because the country has two official languages. They start learning English their second year.

        Being pregnant I have the hardest time organizing my thoughts, so please bear with me! Because they start later, they're allowed to be children. Because they have so many acceptable options for their educational course, they don't have as much angst towards their schooling. Without that, I believe they are more effective learners, so they score higher on this exam.

        This explanation seems too simplified to me, so I'd love some help figuring it out exactly. We have a wonderful opportunity to possibly remake our educational system in the near future. I'm excited to have a new secretary of education. Someone who actually knows something about being in a classroom would be a good start!

        I'm sure that the freedom teachers are allowed also compliments the system. DH gets so irritated with curriculum guidelines that he says that the material he has to teach is "a mile wide and an inch thick". That doesn't lend itself to in depth understanding or true comprehension!  

  • I forgot (0 / 0)

    There actually is a prom, but it's a little different. The seniors get to take the last 6 weeks or so off from school to study for their exit exams. When that happens, the juniors are officially the oldest kids in school, so they have an "old" dance to celebrate. They wear costumes from the 1800's and dance waltzes and traditional Finnish dances. They have to practice for several weeks beforehand, and there are two performances. One for parents and friends, one for the community. It was fun. My girlfriends and I got our hair done and went shopping for dresses together. As you can imagine, there wasn't really another opportunity to wear them, so they were rented which made it affordable.

  • Another story about Finland (0 / 0)

    I've spent some time trying to learn Finnish; didn't get very far, but hope to continue one day. One of the interesting aspects is that the language has no gender (and uses cases where most other modern languages use prepositions - 20+ of them). I would totally agree with Mena who said:

    I remember being surprised by how little people talk.  When they say something, they really mean it. They have a hard time understanding small talk.

    Exactly; my experience also.

    One of the most moving stories in recent Finnish history is about the evacuees from a part of Finland called Karjala or Karelia. When they were thrown off the land by war, the rest of the Finns took up a collection to buy them new land to farm. A whole generation of Finnish women (now mostly passed away, but their descendants remember) did not have wedding rings or candlesticks or any extra gold stuff to hand down because they donated their valuables to help the evacuees. I don't know what this has to do with schooling but it's an example of how the Finns have a history of pulling together (even though some of them speak Swedish).

    I couldn't find online info on the wedding rings specifically in English, but here are some history links: History of Karelia | Karelian page at Virtual Finland

    To get back to the topic, it's not clear that ALL the lessons of such a distinctive culture can be applied outside it, but we could TOTALLY give teachers more respect and autonomy; I think that would be a great start.

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