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Depression - The Elephant in My Closet

Thu Feb 14, 2008 at 06:30:51 PM PDT

A very quick Google search just revealed a fact to me that is somewhat shocking. According to both the National Institute of Mental Health and the American Psychological Association, women are twice as likely to be depressed as men. There are numerous factors that may contribute to this including biology, poverty, and the way girls are raised in our culture.

I suppose I should find this statistic to be comforting in some way, since I'm one of the women it includes. Maybe I'm not so weird and crazy after all.

My mother was depressed, often severely, for most of my life. I have also suffered intense periods of diagnosed depression, the two most severe being when I was a sophomore in college and then about ten years later, when my mother died of asbestos cancer. The first time I was treated with therapy alone; the second time it took 18 months of therapy and Zoloft.

Now it's almost ten years past that and for the past year and half I have felt myself slipping in and out of a depressive state. I've learned lots of behavioral tricks for handling my depression (I had the best cognitive-behavioral therapist after my mom died who really taught me how to talk to myself in the dark hours of my soul) and have also found yoga to be a way I can control it without medication. But lately, I've been feeling like I may need more help. And it's just so darn frustrating. Here I am, trying to be this responsible, responsive person, and this wall of blackness just comes at me. I'm bruised from slamming up against it, tired of trying to dig my way under it, incapable of climbing over it.

And although I know I shouldn't feel this way, I feel ashamed and weak. My DH has never been depressed in his life. He doesn't have a depressive bone in his body. There is no way for him to understand and I know that if (when) I tell him I have to go to therapy (again) and spend time and money to get treatment he will tell me to go but will not really understand why I need to.

Now, I'm an overachieving type and I've gotten really good at keeping pretty much all of this to myself. But what has me raising a mental eyebrow lately is that I'm on a really short fuse with my children. And this bothers me immensely. I hated how sad and angry my own mother often was, and I have repeatedly vowed to myself that I will never subject my children to the same thing. Now, I'm pretty far off where she was, but I know that despite all of my efforts, the strain is starting to show.

I don't want to need or get help. I just want to feel better. But I'm not sure I can this time and so will likely be trudging off to the doctor soon. Anyone else in the same boat? If the statistics are right, I'm guessing the answer will be yes.

Tags: depression, cognitive-behavioral therapy, Zoloft (all tags)

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  • I'm not in this boat. (0 / 0)

    But I really just wanted to give you a ((hug)).  

    There's nothing wrong with getting help, as you already know.  Go.  You'll feel better if history is any guide, and you'll stop feeling worried about what you're doing to your children.  This IS the most responsible thing you can do, you're not failing.

    ((HUG))) again.  I'm sorry you're having trouble.

    Mom to DD, 3yo, and DS, on the way (Sept 08)

    by tessajp on Thu Feb 14, 2008 at 06:34:55 PM PDT

  • Sucks (0 / 0)

    A lot.  More hugs.

    I've suffered from depression for most of my life.  I feel like it's robbed me of any joie de vivre, even when I'm not actively depressed.  I worry horribly about passing it on to my children.  

    I guess I don't feel weak about needing help, but I don't want to "manage" it, I want to cure it.

    Simone (1/04) and Milo (9/07)

    by Erin on Thu Feb 14, 2008 at 06:37:23 PM PDT

    • Can I just say "amen"? (0 / 0)

      I don't want to "manage" it, I want to cure it.

      Amen!  I don't have depression, but there are enough other chronic illnesses in my family that I regularly rant about doctors just treating symptoms and not the disease.  My mother the retired nurse tells me I'm being unfair to the medical establishment, that treating the symptoms is sometimes the best they can do.  But I want a cure damn it!!

      Mom to DD, 3yo, and DS, on the way (Sept 08)

      by tessajp on Fri Feb 15, 2008 at 03:24:48 AM PDT

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    • Thanks Erin (0 / 0)

      I know what you mean. But at this point, I'd take a little management.

      What's frustrating is that you can work and work at this and feel so much better and then when you least expect it, it comes back to bite you in the tuckus.

      Mara, mother of Tommy (5/02) and Teddy (3/05)
      The Mother of All Trips

      by mpg on Fri Feb 15, 2008 at 04:32:10 AM PDT

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      • I know (0 / 0)

        and the second it hits, I have no insight at all.  I don't even have the perspective to think "I just got depressed today."  I'll feel like it's been months.  Of course, the last time I had that particular day was two years ago was two years ago and I've never felt completely better since.

        Simone (1/04) and Milo (9/07)

        by Erin on Fri Feb 15, 2008 at 08:50:08 AM PDT

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  • My boat (0 / 0)

    is alongside yours.  But I am new to the diagnosis; for years I did not realize what it was that made my thinking so irrational.  I lost my job and my insurance and since getting the new job have not got any therapy or meds.  It's bad and I have no excuse...I just put it off every day.  

    Regular exercise is good, almost eliminates the need for drugs, but of course depression and anxiety make it hard to be motivated to exercise, yay vicious circle.

    I think a lot of guys are depressed but not diagnosed.  DH is depressed and angry since the pregnancy/birth craziness.  He says he won't go to the doctor because it won't help because his problems are real.  He doesn't believe he could ever feel better, and that it is because of all the people in his life screwing him over.  

  • big hugs (0 / 0)

    I'll go with Tessajp and reiterate that there is nothing wrong with getting help at all. Depression is something that can be managed, and going for assistance in managing it does not in the least indicate weakness. I think it shows you're courageous for standing up and taking it on. I heartily recommend that you pick up the support network that you built up over the years. You owe it most of all to yourself in achieving the promies you've made over the years.

    Big hugs from me, and good luck.

  • I'm not in the boat (0 / 0)

    but I know several people who are. (((big hugs))) and I hope you find your way through.

    Mom of twins, DD and DS, born 12/96

    by Lisa in Austin on Thu Feb 14, 2008 at 07:45:30 PM PDT

  • We'll need a bigger boat! (0 / 0)

    I've been off and on meds for about 12 years.  I suspect members of my family may suffer from it as well, but we never talk about it.  Both sides of my family are strewn with alcoholics for years back, and I really think that's depression showing.  There wasn't a good way for a man in the 1920s & 1930s (or probably women for that matter, although they were allowed to be more emotional) to deal with depression, so I think they drank their feelings away.

    I like counseling, but I find it so hard to go.  When I had a full-time job, I didn't see how I could explain a two-hour time-off I had to have every week, coming back looking like a wreck.  Now I'm at home and I wonder what I'm supposed to do with my child.  He's only 18 months, so it's more that he wouldn't sit still than that he'd hear somthing that would upset him, but it still weirds me out to think of taking my kid to therapy with me.

    Depression is, among other things, a really inconvenient disease to have.  The one thing I do hate about therapy is telling the same stupid story over again to someone new.  I'm not sure I've ever made progress; I've just faded away from certain issues and others have taken their place.  It used to be problems with my mom; now it's with my brothers.  It does just seem like it will never end.  Erin said it so well: I'm sick of managing; I want it cured.  Maybe someday.

    Gus (7/06), Susanna (due 11/08)

    by cynmill on Thu Feb 14, 2008 at 08:51:39 PM PDT

    • do you have childcare (0 / 0)

      for Gus? Even a babysitter that could come in a few times a week for this purpose?

      • Nope (0 / 0)

        There's no drop-off care near us, most of my friends work during the day, and the ones who don't live pretty far away.  I have no family near me.  I have one neighbor who has sometimes watched Gus when I've given a speech, but she has an odd work schedule so it's hit and miss if she's home.  It's so hard to get a good counselor, that when you do, you want to hang on to your spot, so I couldn't be changing appointment times every week.

        We've been talking about part-time daycare, mostly because we think Gus would benefit from the interaction, but we have a hard time justifying the expense when I'm not working very much.  We're just making it now on one salary; the thought of finding an extra $100 plus a week is pretty daunting. Childcare options are better in Australia, are they not?

        Gus (7/06), Susanna (due 11/08)

        by cynmill on Thu Feb 14, 2008 at 09:51:08 PM PDT

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        • It is hard (0 / 0)

          and I will admit that this is part of my reluctance - I have a hard time imagining where I'll find the time and space to fit in the treatment (for me it's not just the actual session time but the time to deal with what it dredges up).

          But at this point I think it's costing me a lot of time not to go - I am tired and less efficient, find it hard to get things accomplished. Just writing about it has made me realize I'm ready to rearrange things to make it work.

          I'm VERY lucky being married to an academic. We have amazing insurance. That helps too.

          Mara, mother of Tommy (5/02) and Teddy (3/05)
          The Mother of All Trips

          by mpg on Fri Feb 15, 2008 at 04:29:43 AM PDT

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          • Yes. Yes. Yes. (0 / 0)

            The time and space and all the hard work... I'm currently spiralling toward a third go-around with treatment but resisting it because it feels as if the treatment embodies elements of the circumstances that are pushing me toward needing help this time: being overwhelmed with too many appointments and therapists and trying to alleviate challenging situations (my 3-year-old has autism and epilepsy, and we're not having a lot of success managing either aspect right now.)

            It's good to hear that you're ready to take your situation on, though!  Maybe I'll get to that point myself...
             

        • for me, personally, yes (0 / 0)

          because my PIL are around the corner and retired. Childcare is still expensive; Jess goes two days a week and it costs $132.

          If Gus went to daycare, would you be able to find work? Maybe it's just a matter of being able to get going once you have Gus squared away in daycare?

          Geez, I wish I lived in MN; I'd definitely take Gus during appointments for you. Damn, where's that teleporter when you need it?!

          • Ooh, that is pricey (0 / 0)

            Family would help, but even if they lived nearby, it would probably be more of a once-in-awhile babysitting thing, unless they offered to set up something on a regular basis.  I have a friend who, when her parents & in-laws retired last year (they live in her town) asked her if they could each take one day a week to watch her son.  So she's only paying for three days and her son gets two days with his grandparents.  

            I think maybe I'd have to find work first.  That's been the most difficult for me; I don't seem to be very good at finding jobs, much less desirable ones with flexibility and a salary that would make daycare worth it.  I'd have to really love something to be doing it just to pay for daycare.  But maybe later this year we can get on better financial footing and Gus can go for the socialization and I can have the time to actually put some work together.  I have hope for after the election!

            Gus (7/06), Susanna (due 11/08)

            by cynmill on Sat Feb 16, 2008 at 08:35:36 PM PDT

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            • it is pricey (0 / 0)

              but the creche has lunch service (they make lunch every day from scratch, with organic veg. Part of a state government push to improve childhood nutrition/obesity rates), plus a breakfast at 9 a.m. for the kids who arrive early, and afternoon snack too. So I don't have to spend time/extra money preparing food for the day. Plus, the centre is also open from 7 a.m. to 6 p.m. So, if you take into account the expense of food and preparation and average the cost out over the 11 hour day, it's probably only about $8/hr. That's not so much, considering.

              Hugs from me on your situation. Again, I wish you lived in Melbourne or I lived in MN; we'd definitely help each other!!

              • I think I'd rather live in Melbourne! (0 / 0)

                I could use the good weather.  This might seem like an odd question, but are depression numbers lower in Australia, perhaps because of the weather?  I spent the summer in Sweden once, which was just lovely, full of the most friendly, open people.  But I was surprised to learn it has some high alcoholism, depression, and suicide numbers because the winters are so long and dark.

                Gus (7/06), Susanna (due 11/08)

                by cynmill on Sun Feb 17, 2008 at 09:44:51 AM PDT

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    • Hmmm (0 / 0)

      When my DS was very little, I took him to shrink with me.  And I think her office had a place for kids to play, so maybe I could have kept taking him.  Maybe that is a question to ask when I look for a new counselor person.  

      Good luck to you.

  • I am a chronic sufferer (0 / 0)

    this latest incident is two years long, and has not been responsive to pills.   My family were occasionally abusive and still are.  This latest incident started with an abusive incident.  I really do think I need therapy. Unfortunately pills are all my insurance will cover.

  • Not me, but my DH (0 / 0)

    has had several incidents of major Depression - the most recent one in the second year we were married.  I  think it scared him that he might lose me and our DD if he didn't figure it out - found a great research study that was looking at sleep cycles and exercise as triggers, and for him that (plus the talk therapy) has worked.  But he's definitely a "depressive" personality, and has been scared that our kids would inherit the predisposition (we have mood disorders on both sides of the family).

    He feels guilty sometimes, but I see it as a real illness, and wouldn't hold him responsible for it anymore than for any physical illness.  It's hard when he's in a low mood - harder for my DD, who just gets frustrated.

  • depression (0 / 0)

    Sorry you're not feeling well mpg.  Sorry about your mom too, that's an awful cancer.  How did she get that?  Did she work with asbestos?

    I find the mental illness stigma in our country is alive and well, so even when we need help, part of our reluctance to get help may stem from that stigma.  In other words, if our foot wasn't working one morning, we'd rush ourselves to the hospital, but when our moods are off, we tell ourselves to snap out of it.

    Don't worry what your husband thinks.  He sounds like a very kind man and I'm sure all he wants is for you to feel better.  He doesn't really need to understand how you are feeling, you know?  

    I've had experience dealing with depressed friends and relatives, and I decided that even though I may think I can understand, I can't.  I've never been depressed.

    Now anxiety and I are good friends.  Excessive worry about things that I can't control or aren't important, sign me up.  My husband doesn't understand either, but he can't, he's never been there.

    It sounds like you know the path out, you've navigated this before.  I wouldn't worry too, too much about the short fuse with your kids right now.  Some of that could just be normal mom stuff too.  And make things as easy for yourself at home right now as you can.  Streamline a bit til you feel better. Do the minimum that has to get done, order pizza when you feel like it.

    Anyway, I hope you can feel better soon.  And get to spending some of that nice insurance coverage on whatever you need to feel better  : )  You deserve it.

    • My mom's dad (0 / 0)

      worked on the plubming and heating systems of ships and buildings. She did the laundry. This is apparently a typical way to get this cancer (fibers come home on the clothes, and the person washing them shakes them free).

      My DH is the best and I adore him. He just doesn't really understand this kind of thing because it is so foreign to him. I think it was aussieyank who posted recently about Meyers-Briggs types. He and I are almost the same except he's a strong S and I'm a strong N. This means that whereas I'm all about intuiting, he wants a clear explanation. I can't really tell him what I'm feeling in a way that satisfies him and he doesn't know how to respond and we both end up feeling kind of mad and unhappy as a result.

      I know that part of why I'm feeling bad about the kids is because I've been on my own with them so much lately. My older son is a lot like me and he's definitely onto the fact that something isn't quite right. It's easier to keep from him when my husband is there to help.

      I know all about the anxiety thing too (I will say I was surprised to hear you say you suffer from it as you are such a calm and balanced voice here at MT). My earlier therapy did wonders to help me manage mine, and I will say that I don't suffer from it nearly as much as I used to. I just get sad.

      Mara, mother of Tommy (5/02) and Teddy (3/05)
      The Mother of All Trips

      by mpg on Sat Feb 16, 2008 at 05:36:23 PM PDT

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  • It's not weakness (0 / 0)

    If you had hypothyroid and had to be on thyroid medication for the rest of your life, or if you were genetically predisposed to high blood pressure, and, despite exericising and maintaining weight and eating right, couldn't keep your BP down, I don't think you'd feel "ashamed and weak" for having to take medication. Why do we view depression like some sort of character flaw or moral failing? It's a chemical imbalance that may require medicine to correct.

    There are different kinds and degrees of depression and people respond to different kinds of treatment.
    We have a mild depressive streak in my family and it affects us all in different ways, and we all find something different helps us.

    I had PPD after my son was born and it was like something foreign had taken over my normally happy, high-energy, brain. In a couple months, the hormones leveled off and so did my emotions. I went to therapy in the meantime, and that worked wonders. Now I am able to avoid depression by taking a lower-stress job, exercising regularly, and knowing and managing my stressors (my family, for one, financial strain, for another).

    My sister is a high achiever, one of the last people you'd ever think of as "depressed," but she was having severe insomnia and irritability. She's been on Zoloft for several years and feels like it changed her life.

    My mother is more prone to situational depression (kind of like me) and she'd probably benefit from therapy and anti-anxiety meds for short-term use during stressful periods. But she continues to see depression as a moral failing, drugs as unambiguously dangerous, and doesn't get the help she needs, which annoys the hell out of the rest of us who bear the brunt of her emotional outbursts.

    I'd like to add that my best friend's husband had depression so badly at one point he couldn't get out of bed. HIS brother attempted suicide a couple years back. My BIL has depression and anxiety that requires medication (you can tell when he goes off the meds-- it's not pretty. Fortunately, his wife makes him take them, and he listens to her). So while women may get depression more often, the men in my life are represented as well.

    If you need medication and therapy, for goodness sakes, get it. Don't put it off and don't feel ashamed.

  • There is (0 / 0)

    a book , I buy multiple copies of and give to my friends at the drop of a hat.

    It really hit home for me when I read both as a child of someone with depression and as a mother.

  • I've been a long-time passenger (0 / 0)

    on the depression boat. My parents dropped me off at the psychiatrist's office at the age of 12. I was very heavily medicated until the age of 25. Coming off the meds and getting in the right therapy for me (Dialectical Behavioral Therapy) made all the difference. I still have bouts of depression but they usually don’t last as long or feel as hopeless. Of course, I remain open to the possibility that at some point I may need medication if I fall into the abyss again.

    The message I felt my parents were sending me as a child was that my depressed mood was an embarrassment to them and should be dealt with in the utmost secrecy (they NEVER even asked me about the medications I was taking).

    Point being, if you suffer from depression and are aware that your children may be catching on to a difference in your behavior it may be an opportunity to share a few things with them. Feeling sad is so often frowned upon that we feel obligated to hide our sadness, especially from children.

    I’m not suggesting that you need to engage in an extensive explanation but  openly acknowledging the fact that you don’t feel like yourself and that you will try to do something about it may be a comfort to your children. It may also make them feel more secure and confident that if they experience sadness or even depression, they need not feel ashamed or as though they have failed in any way.

    Someone said that we suffer because we deny our pain. Feeling pain is part of the human experience but I think we can decrease the extent of our suffering by accepting the fact that pain is part of the human experience. It just is. It is not something for which to be ashamed.

    I think there is great courage in acceptance of ourselves as unable to be perfect all the time.

    I know how much it can hurt and I wish you the best in making it out on the other side.

  • my husband who was bi polar (0 / 0)

    killed himself in July. He was in treatment on meds...saw no way out. My mother also bi polar and my sister My husband was unable to get help and in the end I believe what killed him was his inability to separate from his mother. My therapist believes that too.

    I had absolutely no mothering.I basically raised myself. My earliest memories of my mother was of her crying in the corner. Fast forward...It was the very same thing with my husband..In the 5 weeks before his suicide, I used to listen to him cry until I thought I would go out of mind.

    I also decided that my daughter would have a different experience. And she has..In the early years I protected her as much as I could from her Dads depression. As she got older I talked to her. But in the end...she grew up too quickly and felt
    that she was often the adult. That came out 3 weeks ago when I dragged her to therapy.But shes an unbelievable girl..almost woman..And I can be proud
    of how I found a way to be a loving mother to her despite my circumstances.

    If you want to chat off line post here and we can connect

  • Thanks to all for the support (0 / 0)

    I definitely felt the love. I went to yoga today for the first time in almost a week and am feeling a little better (despite two hours this afternoon at Chuck E Cheese). This has been an unhappy month with my husband gone a lot.

    I'm about 75 percent sure I'm going to get some outside help. Just discussing the possibility of doing so has been really helpful.

    Mara, mother of Tommy (5/02) and Teddy (3/05)
    The Mother of All Trips

    by mpg on Sat Feb 16, 2008 at 05:29:38 PM PDT

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