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Let Dads Do Their Thing

Wed Jan 09, 2008 at 03:44:35 PM PDT

I remember perfectly the first moment I realized my husband had a different learning curve with our daughter. He had just finished bathing her and was putting on her diaper and sleep sack in her room. I'm sitting on the couch comatose and I can hear some distress coming from her room. He walks out with the baby crying, her sleep slack half on, trapping her arms, and I kid you not, her diaper on backwards.  He needed help.

He was frustrated because she was so resistant to getting dressed. I was annoyed because how come I have to learn how to do these things, but he just got to pass her off? He has gotten much, much better, but I have had to learn to let some things go. I arrived home from a committee meeting the other night and the baby was crawling around without any pants on. Apparently she didn't want to wear pants after her diaper change. When my husband feeds her it looks like she fed herself and he generally does not include clean up as part of the operation. He allows her to sooth herself by gnawing on the television remote control. The list goes on.

But what I have to remember through all this, is that he's spending quality time with our baby. He may not do things the way I would like them to be done, but I feel confident leaving the house knowing he worships her. Many people comment on how nice it is that he spends so much time with her, like it's unusual. I grew up without a dad so I guess I live in extremes--since she has a dad, why wouldn't he be my parenting partner? I've come to realize I am pretty lucky, and that a lot of dads aren't as involved as  he is. And I must say, I definitely get a charge out of the fact that she gives a huge toothy grin when her daddy gets home from work. So if my remote control has bite marks in it, I'll just learn to live with it.

Tags: dads, learning, letting go (all tags)

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  • There is more than one way to survive (0 / 0)

    childhood, and "perfect efficiency" is seldom it.  I wish my husband would get that through his head.

    I have put my kid's diaper on backwards a few times.  He lies still for DH but usually not for me, although now he tries to help some.  So DH wants me to learn his "fun" way of changing diapers.  I say, if it's on and no one's bleeding, that's good enough.  I guess my family is backwards of yours, and it is based on our upbringings.  

    My mother has a sign that says, "a clean house is the sign of a misspent life."  DHs family clean with military precision several times a day.  They were all military, so I guess that explains it, but I think it's hard on kids.

  • let DH do it his way (0 / 0)

    as the person who spends more actual time with our children than my husband, i have felt at times like i knew how things were supposed to get done. but the truth is, there's a million ways to get through the day and all that goes with it when you're taking care of kids. somewhere along the line i decided that as long as no one was getting hurt, i was going to stay out of it when DH was in charge. he does a great job with them and maybe he doesn't remember to bring a sippy cup for the ride home or to pack an extra snack in case things take longer than we expect (which they always do). he does lots of things better than i do. as far as the kids are concerned, the thing that matters most is that their dad is nurturing and caring for them.

  • What they both said... (0 / 0)

    I agree completely!  My husband does pretty much everything differently than I would.  As long as we have the same safety and discipline rules, I'm completely ok with it.  We may take different routes, but we both get there in the end, so I just let it go.  Sure, it's going to take him 20 extra minutes to get everybody settled down to bed because, instead of reading a book or two, they raced a RC car up and down the hallway.  But the boys are clean, have teeth brushed, and are in bed, and it's HIS 20 minutes, not mine, and they had a blast.  I also think it really helps the boys be more flexible and handle changes in routine in stride.

    Mind you, it did take me a while to figure this out.  :)  

  • Dads are certainly different (0 / 0)

    The Ex used to put DS's shoes on the wrong feet every single time.  It was like he just couldn't figure the left-right thing out if he wasn't putting them on his own feet.  He might still be doing it for all I know.

    A friend's dh claimed for months that he couldn't figure out how to bathe their baby. So he watched tv while she did it. Come ON! Wash, rinse, repeat has no age requirement!

  • Alone time is crucial (0 / 0)

    Letting Dad do his thing has always been a challenge for us because of both our personalities.  I had tons and tons of experience with babies and kids before our son was born, and I'm a micromanager by nature.  I'm also a teacher and just know a lot about raising kids and have a good sense of the big picture (read all the child development books, etc.).  My husband had no experience with kids and was perfectly content to be micromanaged, but in some ways I really wanted him to take a more active role in the day-to-day stuff (although I'll admit I like being in charge of the "big picture" stuff, like choosing a preschool).

    Since we have traditional gender roles (he works, I'm mostly at home), his learning curve with the kids has been really slow.  Since my oldest was a year old, I've worked on Saturdays which gives him consistent alone time with the kids.  It was a huge struggle for him at first, and it took him a really long time to get the hang of things, but now it's second nature to him (even with two kids).  I pointed out that since I was in charge of our son 5 (OK, 7) days a week from birth, of course it would take him longer to figure out the routine and basics like what to pack in a diaper bag when he's just doing it once a week.  We're much more balanced partners as a result, and the boys have an awesome relationship with their dad that they might not have otherwise.

    I've been trying to bite my tongue when he does something I don't like with the kids, and I'm getting better at it.  Like it drives me crazy when he'll ask my bath-hating 3-year-old, "So, do you want to take your bath now?" whereas I'd just say, "OK, bath time!"  Or when he asks me what they should have for snack, and I tell him he's the dad and can figure it out, but then I disapprove of his choice.  Both really petty things, I know, so I try not to mention it and save my comments for the big stuff.

    When we're both together, I'm still overseer of the day-to-day tasks and end up delegating to him, rather than him stepping in, but him having a day a week where he's totally in charge gives him a lot of confidence and also helps me really trust him as a parent.

  • There are times (0 / 0)

    when having twins has its advantages. It's much harder to pass a child off to mom when she's already got one in her arms. My DH jumped right in and had to learn it all from day one.

    Now, that is not to say that he did things like I would have. But there was no chance of not knowing how to bathe them or how to change a diaper.  In fact, since I had a c section, he probably changed more diapers than I did in the first few days.

    I think letting go of "this is how you do it" is hard for a lot of us, though. But I have to say I have ultimately found it's easier to let go than to do it all myself and pile up resentment over "why do I have to do everything."

  • I took a photo (0 / 0)

    of DS the first time DH dressed him.  Footy-pj bottoms & a sweater?  Would he dress himself that way?  Had he not ever noticed what I put on DS?  Every freakin' infant outfit is a matching set, which is how I laid them in the drawer.  But I did it in fun.

    I mostly take care of DS, so I have developed a set way, basically because I've tried a lot of stuff & figured out what works best & easiest.  But yeah, there's a lot of what DH does with DS that just makes me shake my head & say "bless his little heart."

  • He's there (0 / 0)

    I just had a huge middle-of-the-night argument about my apparently unconscionably terrible housekeeping skills and lack of perceptiveness.  I'm so worn out by notions of "the right way" to do things.

  • Men have a steeper learning curve. (0 / 0)

    I think women forget that. The first time I held a baby, I was already into my mid 20s. Why? No one ever offered before. My sister had had plenty of opportunities before she even hit her teenage years, but I was never asked, and even if I showed some interest I was given the brush off, because I was a boy. My perception is that that's pretty common. It's assumed boys have no interest, and assumed girls do have an interest in babies.
    Babies wriggle, holding them is different to holding any other object, it's a learning experience just to pick them up, sometimes, and I think it's hard to concentrate on other things when you're worried about even whether you're holding them right. I think because women are generally given more opportunities to spend time with and hold babies, they're more in their comfort zone with them and so can conentrate on other things more readily.
    All of which, of course, doesn't help your frustration, but I would take it as a reason to try to give any sons you might have experience with babies as much as, if not more than, daughters.

    "You're never more alone than when you're alone in a crowd."

    by Expat Briton on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 08:55:37 AM PDT

    • In my experience (0 / 0)

      That is in no way true of boys raised in relatively large families, or of most kids with younger siblings, and that it also often goes for girls who are younger siblings or only children, except that some women may be really hesitant to admit their incompetence and discomfort with babies.

    • Hmmm. (0 / 0)

      As the younger child and the youngest granchild, I held a baby only once when I was fourteen (my cousin's firstborn). The look of horror and discomfort on my face in the picture says it all. I never babysat. I refused all offers to hold babies. The first diaper I changed was my son's. But I somehow caught on.

      To this day, I don't like holding other people's babies. I'll do it to be helpful to the mom but I'd rather have my hands free. I liked holding my own well enough, though.

      I think when it comes to dads and babies, there are a few guys who really get it right away, even better than their wives (one of my friend's husbands is like that-- so nurturing and sweet with kids), a few who get it at the same rate as their wives (probably describes my DH, to a point), and the rest, who struggle to competence. For the last category, I think societal expectations do play a role. It's perhaps easier for a woman to believe she's competent with babies because every message she's ever heard is that she is supposed to be.

      Also, women are just better at mutitasking in the domestic realm, and perhaps in general. My friends and I all agree that our husbands are great with the kids, but while they are watching them, nothing else gets done, whereas we can watch the kids and get loads of laundry washed and folded, dishes dried and put away, and taxes prepared at the same time. Why? Who knows.

      My cousin-- the same one whose first baby I held-- has two boys, and she raised them as you suggest, to hold babies, to play with little kids, to be good babysitters. Indeed, they babysat in junior high and took jobs in high school working with kids. It is so nice to see, and they will make their future wives very happy!

  • People can get very critical of their partners (0 / 0)

    and I think this goes both ways - when a task isn't done "the way I do it."

    Well, people, that's fine. As long as you're always prepared to do it, every time for now and for always.

    When someone is taking on a new task, they're bound to do it differently. Sometimes this works out and sometimes it doesn't. If you want the person (whether it's your spouse or your offspring) to do the task again, the first thing to do is to praise the effort. Say, "thank you for mowing the lawn." Or, "I really appreciate that you did the dishes tonight."

    And then, before the next time the task comes up, you might mention casually, "By the way, I noticed you mowed the side yard, and it looks great. I've planted some flowers over there, and if you skip that section we'll probably get some nice blooms."

    If you are teaching a child to write her name, I think it is pretty obvious that you can't be critical of the first attempt because it wasn't straight and the letters are shaky. It's good to remember this when anyone is learning any new task.

    If you want to be equal in your home responsibilities, you have to be open to letting the other partner do things their way, and to the occasional mistakes.

    • More flies with honey (0 / 0)

      I cannot get my DH to understand that positve reinforcement works best.  People like to feel good.  I guess it's just mostly that he had exclusively negative reinforcement in his childhood.  This is concerning me a lot, now, because, ok, we don't get a long, we need to split up, whatever.  But he needs to understand how damaging it will be to treat Kid Sparky the way his family treated him.

  • I've gotten so mad (0 / 0)

    at my husband at times, for all the reasons stated above. When we had our first kid, I just couldn't believe how DEPENDANT we were on each other, logistically, every minute of the day. Really painy to get used to, when communication is an imperfect process.

  • Back when I was (0 / 0)

    fairly active outside the home, a night or two a week I'd need to be away for meetings and such.  I'd leave instructions, with my husband, about what to prepare for dinner.  Now, I left him extremely easy meals...we're talking grilled cheese or hot dogs or spaghetti type meals, not gourmet, slave over a hot oven type meals.  Almost every time I'd leave, I'd come home to find pizza boxes.  Yep.  He'd send out for pizza rather than grill a cheese sandwich or boil a hot dog.  Made me so angry...

  • I'm all for letting DH do it his way (0 / 0)

    I showed him a few times and let it be.  I have more important things to worry about.  Right?  But what happens when 4 years has passed and DH still can't do it?  Or rather, won't?  

    He tries to appeal to my ego, "You do it so much better than me!", but my ego needs some time off too, so it's dirty looks and me exploding, "I can't believe you won't learn to do this right after 4 years!" and him happily settling in to play some video game.  

    I even said, "Imagine I'm dead. How will you get this done?"  The answers fluctuates between, new wife, nanny or getting rid of the offending item/body part.  

    But I never interject because the time they spend with him is valuable and they love it.  My husband's job is to bathe the kids.  That's my Calgon moment. I got outside, do some gardening, enjoy the night air.  My luck is that it takes him forever to do anything, so this could easily stretch into an hour - 90 min, operation.  Yes, he still leaves conditioner in Ilia's hair and he still forgets that Alton hates to get out of the tub, but at the end of the night, Ilia is full of all the pretend they got to do in the bathtub, knowing that when mommy gives them a bath, it's no more than 10 or 15 minutes long.

  • remote (0 / 0)

    For what it's worth, though my niece has all the cool toys in the world, her favorite is the remote control! Mom and Dad eventually broke down and got her her own remote so she'd stop eating theirs.

  • Even now that the kids are 7 and 10 (0 / 0)

    My wife and I relate to them differently.

    We have different styles for doing things.  Different styles for feeding, dressing etc.  Different priorities; We're just different.

    We have been since the kids were born.  And you know, I think the kids are better off for it.  They have adjusted, they know that when it is "Daddy" time, there is one set of procedures, and "mommy" does others.  They've figured it out and adjusted.

    Now, mom and dad agree on "rules" and the "big stuff" but they have learned to deal with us in different ways.  

  • You can have different 'styles" (0 / 0)

    and different ways of doing things  

    BUT

    You'd better be consistent on basic discipline and rules

    and try holding your hubby to higher standards.... some guys deliberately do a lousy job to get out of certain tasks.....

    no excuse for NOT getting diapers right, feeding kids without making a total mess, etc....   it's HIS job to remember the sippy cup, extra diapers and all else.... would he get away with doing as 'good' - or poor - a job at work?

    • Absolutely, though there is of course (0 / 0)

      a difference between doing something "differently" and doing something "wrong."

      There's no inherent male inability to do anything right, and any attempt to weasel into that shouldn't be tolerated.

      I think the key is to wait a day before "explaining" how DH did something "wrong." If you can't remember what it was, or if there's no apparent difference, the next day, then it probably wasn't worth bringing up at the moment either.

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