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Re-entering Workforce Harder for Stay-At-Home Dads

Tue Jan 08, 2008 at 02:44:53 PM PDT

I originally spotted this piece at MomsRising.org. Thanks to father Dana Glazer for the tip!

MSN contributor Eve Tahmincioglu wrote how it is more difficult for stay-at-home dads than stay-at-home moms to re-enter the workforce due to cultural biases against fathers who abandon the traditional “hunting” role to care for their children. Tahmincioglu previously touched on the subject when she recently doled out advice to SAHMs on how to explain a resume gap. Instead, she received these e-mails from stay-at-home dads:

Victor Gonzalez of Marietta, Georgia, wrote:

"I'm 41 and had been an at-home-dad for the last 8 years. When we got married both of us had very successful careers. When our daughter came along in 1999 we decided that the best for her and our family was for me to stay at home with her.

"Now that my daughter is more independent I am looking to go back to work, first on a part-time basis. Well, forget it. There is no way that anyone understands that a man can take time off his professional career to take care of the little ones.

"While indeed it's extremely tough for women to get back to work after a long time away, it gets even tougher for a man to do the same. Society has unwritten rules for dads that decide that their family is more important than corporate America."

It does, agrees Scott Haltzman, MD Clinical Assistant Professor, Brown University Department of Psychiatry and Human Behavior.

"How does the workplace view a man that takes time off of his career to raise children? They tend to look at him as not having the kind of drive or seriousness of purpose that they would want in leadership positions," he says about what he sees as a pervasive stereotype.

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Then again, I read a stat in the book Mothers on the Fast Track that mothers in the workforce are seen as lazy or too distracted by their children to work. Meanwhile fathers are seen as mature and responsible. Hmm.

But I don’t doubt that our macho capitalist culture sends men a message that they must earn tons of money or they will have failed their families. As the MSN article pointed out, today’s stay-at-home father will hardly find anyone to relate to once he does return to the workplace since there are way more SAHMs than SAHFs. If anything, other men in the office will question why he would forego a paycheck to stay home with his kids, or even worse, what he did all day.

(To this question, experts suggest men hold their heads high and not try to justify their existence with how many diapers they changed or how many dishes they washed. They suggested presenting their time off in the most positive light.)

Just to show you that encouraging men to take family leave would level the playing field for all parents, I thought this fact about who is taking family leave was interesting:

”Men face more prejudice when they decide to return to the workplace than women do. In fact, some companies have a lot of prejudice, so many men simply take vacation leave instead of Family Leave when a new baby comes. They know it would effect their career promotional path to advertise loudly 'family is first' in many companies," says Robin Ryan, career coach and author of  "What to Do With the Rest of Your Life".

The number of stay-at-home dads still pales in comparison to women who make that choice, but the numbers are growing.

Nearly 160,000 men stay home with their kids today, almost three times the number that were staying at home just ten years ago, according to the U.S. Census. And many more men would take on the role, experts say, if there wasn't so much macho baggage out there.

Hang your heads high, papas. You are in unchartered -- but important -- territory both inside and outside the home.

Tags: re-entering workforce, family leave, vacation, flextime, resume gap, MSN, stay-at-home father, stay-at-home mother, SAHM, childcare, paycheck (all tags)

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  • I wonder (0 / 0)

    if it makes a difference if the interviewer is a man or a woman. I'd reckon a woman interviewer - particularly a working mom - would have a bit more sympathy.

    • Not sure about that.... (0 / 0)

      Since the interviewers tend to be people at the height of their careers, in other words, folks in their 40s or 50s.  I have to say the least amount of support, encouragement, empathy or sympathy I've gotten for being a (mostly) stay at home dad is from mothers in the 40-60 age range.  I get some strange vibes from them along the lines of a) I couldn't possibly be qualified to take care of children being male and b) they sent their kids to daycare at six weeks old and went back to work, why don't I?

      The most amount of encouragement I've had is from people just starting families and retired men (who typically get a far-away look in their eyes and talk about how they wished they had spent more time with their kids).

      Just my experiences.  

      • you do have a point (0 / 0)

        DH and I both find that there's a lot more sympathy from those in the same boat; the guy that's hired me for the part-time job has three kids under the age of 7, so he totally knows the drill. Similarly, DH has run into a lot of men who were big corporate men when their kids were growing up and now have a lot of regrets and are willing to make sure other men have the opportunities they didn't take advantage of. It's nice, that.

  • I don't understand this. (0 / 0)

    As the MSN article pointed out, today’s stay-at-home father will hardly find anyone to relate to once he does return to the workplace since there are way more SAHMs than SAHFs.

    Why? They can't talk to the former SAHMs? If anything, you'd think that the experience would broaden the number of people they could relate to - if we talk about common experiences, then they'd have ways to relate to both the men and the women in the company.

    I read a stat in the book Mothers on the Fast Track that mothers in the workforce are seen as lazy or too distracted by their children to work. Meanwhile fathers are seen as mature and responsible.

    My guess would be that this has to do with how much time is taken off. Do you remember if the stat took that into account? If the dads aren't taking time off when their kids need to go to the doctor etc., but the moms are, I'd expect that would explain the difference more than adequately.

    "You're never more alone than when you're alone in a crowd."

    by Expat Briton on Tue Jan 08, 2008 at 03:23:09 PM PDT

  • this is why I love being self-employed (0 / 0)

    no one that I am required to justify my schedule, my work gaps, my experience. Although I have to say, is it a problem with part-time work in general for professionals? We've heard here that women are finding it quite difficult to find part-time work, too.

    I have to say that one of the things I love about Australia is the proliferation of part-time work for professionals; I'd say about half of the parents (mostly women but some men) that I know from various kid-related activities are white-collar professionals and have part-time or flexi-time jobs in the corporate world. In fact, I'll be part of their legion soon too - I've got a part-time gig coming up that's well remunerated, good responsiblity and will allow me to work from home. My boss, a man, works from home two days per week, too, to give his partner equal opportunity for her career and to split the caring responsibilities... But it could be that I just habituate in very liberal waters.

  • a lucky transition (0 / 0)

    My husband, uber SAHF that he was, was able to ease back into the full time work world fairly easily.  He would probably have preferred a full time teaching position at the community college, but since he doesn't have a PhD, that would have been hard.  But being able to work in the administration of the college he's been adjuncting at while staying at home with the boys was a great opportunity.

    I'm sure it can be hard if you are in a different kind of environment, more corporate in other words.

  • Dh took 4 weeks off (0 / 0)

    when DD was born 2 years ago, and scheduled 5 weeks off for DS (it has since become 8 weeks due to the surgery and such).  His company has been great about the time off, and his co-workers have offered to babysit for us.

    However, his boss does hold his paternity leave against him...using it to justify passing him over for promotions and refusing to pay for advancement training.

    • I'm surprised his (0 / 0)

      boss would be so open about using that against him, since it's illegal!  Is your DH otherwise happy at this job?

      • The boss (0 / 0)

        talks about DH's "personal time off" and says that that is wh he has missed working on specific projects or whatever.  Maybe so.  However, when Dh tried to get said boss to have company pay for a professional class and test, the boss gave him a run-around about "the best financial interests of the company" etc, etc.  Dh went over the boss' head, got the company to pay for the est, did all the studying himself, and passed.

        Dh LOVES his job, they're great people.  Even the boss isn't all bad (did some timesheet manipulation to let DH use "vacation time" to stick around for DD's surgery in January of 2007).

    • that's definitely illegal (0 / 0)

      is DH planning to do something about that?! Talk about discrimination!

      How are you, otherwise? How are Rory and Julian doing?

  • i would hope that sahf going back to work (0 / 0)

    would join forces with women who have long dealt with these issues in pressing for more family-friendly policies and laws for both men and women. How about PAID family leave that is gender neutral and not dependent on employer policies?

    Would Clinton support this?

    • The best solution I've heard of.. (0 / 0)

      ..and it was never implemented, sadly, was a Scottish proposal to grant 6 months paid and 6 months unpaid to parents, to be split as desired. So if dad wants to take a month and mom wants to take 5, they can do that, but they could also do the reverse, or split things 50/50 and take 3 months each. In my fantasy world, you could extend that to other parties as you wished - grandparents, for example - but I suspect the proposal in and of itself would be hard enough to push through. I like the idea of such flexibility, though. It lets moms stay home if that's what they want, or pass the responsibility to dad if that's what's appropriate for the couple.
      I've no idea how you'd get the idea into the public sphere, though, which is a shame because I've been enamoured of it since I first heard of the idea. It would give everyone something to fight for, which would be great.

      "You're never more alone than when you're alone in a crowd."

      by Expat Briton on Wed Jan 09, 2008 at 07:30:49 AM PDT

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      • that's an interesting idea (0 / 0)

        I'd go one further, though; Norway gives 18 months parental leave, to be split as desired. I have cousins who've taken advantage of it; the mother was home for the first year (and boy did she find that helpful with breastfeeding), then she went back to work and the father had the next six months. After that, they were both able to arrange their schedules such that the child was only in daycare one day per week (they both worked from home/were off two days per week).

  • New here, (0 / 0)

    hope you don't mind me jumping right in.

    "How does the workplace view a man that takes time off of his career to raise children? They tend to look at him as not having the kind of drive or seriousness of purpose that they would want in leadership positions," he says about what he sees as a pervasive stereotype.

    So, how is that tougher (or even different)?

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