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Puberty comes earlier every year

Fri Jan 18, 2008 at 11:03:48 PM PDT

There are several interesting health-related articles over at the Los Angeles Times at the moment, but this one in particular caught my eye:

Girl, you'll be a woman sooner than expected

Earlier breast development is now so typical that the Lawson Wilkins Pediatric Endocrine Society urged changing the definition of "normal" development. Until 10 years ago, breast development at age 8 was considered an abnormal event that should be investigated by an endocrinologist. Then a landmark study in the April 1997 journal Pediatrics written by Marcia Herman-Giddens, adjunct professor at the School of Public Health at the University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill, found that among 17,000 girls in North Carolina, almost half of African Americans and 15% of whites had begun breast development by age 8. Two years later, the society suggested changing what it considered medically normal.

The new "8" -- the medically suggested definition for abnormally early breast development -- is, the society says, 7 for white girls and 6 for African American girls.

Like some of the mom-scientists quoted in the article, this whole thing makes me twitchy. My daughter the second grader was upset because one of her classmates is getting breasts, and where are hers? What the heck is going on with this? No one knows, and no one is really even sure how we can do the experiment at this point. We're awash in all kinds of potential culprits - or maybe it's just a result of better nutrition? Mother Nature doesn't expect us to have such reliable access to food. But even then... it just doesn't seem like a good idea for the reproductive plumbing to mature so far ahead of the rest of the body structure.

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  • This makes me shudder. (0 / 0)

    Honestly, this thing really disturbs me.  I didn't hit puberty until I was 14, didn't get my period until I was 15.  Yes, I was late.  But 8???  Dear god.  I don't think its better nutrition.  Humans in this country at least haven't had to stave off starvation for quite some time.  Maybe it is all the fat, though.  I think its all the damn hormones in our food.  This is the number one reason DH and I try to buy as much organic/hormone free meat and milk as we can.  I don't want my daughter to deal with puberty before she's mentally still engaged with My Pretty Pony or whatever it will be in 5 years.

    What depresses me is that changing this situation is so hard.  Its a radical alteration of business and social models that we have fallen into for decades.  I don't see a huge groundswell of public outrage demanding change.  Maybe its coming, I pray that its coming.  But it seems that we've had several modern versions of "The Jungle"--"Supersize Me," "Fast Food Nation," "The Omnivore's Dilemma."  And they haven't really sparked huge cries of outrage.  Americans have lost their sense of revolt.  We don't look at change that way anymore.  Now its more personalized--people think all they can do is change their own habits, buy organic or shop the farmer's market or whatever.  So real change is never demanded.  

    Bleh.  On the positive side, maybe DD won't be as late as I was.  Maybe she'll fall into the old normal range!

    • It's so overwhelming (0 / 0)

      I'm not surprised most of us tune it out and don't call for change on a larger scale.  

      Also, I don't think the long-term studies are there yet to prove many of these things.

  • Fourth Grade (0 / 0)

    I'm pretty sure I got my first bra in fourth grade, and it was overdue by at least six months.  It was my older brother, mortified at the sight of my blossoming bosom, who insisted my mom buy me a bra before his bar mitzvah.  So I guess I was nine to ten years old.  

    At any rate, shenanigans, I'm not a scientist, but I'm going to throw caution to the wind here and suggest some of this might be related to the growing overweight problem.  A bigger girl has bigger breasts, and that might make what would otherwise seem like (again in my brother's words) "mosquito bites" look a lot bigger.  It seems logical, especially given the statistics for overweight and obesity in the African American community and the survey's results.

    Unless they controlled for this in their survey?  I definitely worry about all the "stuff" out there in the air, water, food system, etc., but I'm wondering about the weight part of this as well.

  • It also seems unlikely to me (0 / 0)

    that the cause is good nutrition. My mother was perfectly well nourished on three meals a day and she didn't get her period until she was 14. Interestingly in my family, I got mine at 11 and my sister also didn't get hers until she was 14. And I didn't drink any milk because I've never liked it, whereas she drank quarts of (presumably) hormone-laced milk daily throughout her childhood!

    I don't know what's causing this and I don't have girls, but I also try, and I think mostly succeed, to avoid hormones in our food. My younger son has never had milk that isn't organic and grass-fed. Just seems like a good bet for all of us.

    • Have to agree with you on the diary link (0 / 0)

      From what I've read and heard from nutritionists, it's not only ok but better to avoid diary milk if you have adequate intake from other sources for calcium.
      We have allergies on both sides of the family so it's another reason for us to avoid it.

    • the dairy link.. (0 / 0)

      i have a good friend who has a 10 year old daughter.  this family has never eaten meat, buys mostly organic and local. and she has never served her kids milk ...kids have only had soy.  her dd has developed early.  my friend was also a late developer...didn't get her period until 15.

      go figure.

      • no dairy link? (0 / 0)

        Yeah, I think the evidence really doesn't implicate dairy - even anecdotal stories don't point this way.  Soy of course is rich in phytoestrogens, which some people have speculated may be a factor.  But cultures with soy rich diets don't have early onset puberty (I think).

        • I am suspicious of soy (0 / 0)

          Now I will admit that I have somewhat of an anti-soy bias as my second son has an allergy to soy.  That allergy is way more of a pain to deal with than the peanut allergies that my boys have.  

          Soy is an additive in EVERYTHING.  It is as ubiquitous as HFCS.  It's in most commercial breads and bread products and creeps into even minimally processed foods like canned vegetables.  When you consider that much of the soy grown in the US is a Monsanto monstrosity it makes me wonder whether soy rich diets are that healthy.  

  • I'm worried too (0 / 0)

    I'm 40 and periods came at 11 for me and at 15 for my mother.
    I have 2 daughters and I DREAD the elder one who will be 6 yrs old in a couple weeks to be starting to develop boobs next year! At 11 I wasn't emotionally ready to have periods and really suffered so wouldn't want my daughters to go through it too.

    Let's hope there is something we can do about this.
    Thanks for sharing.

  • It's alarming (0 / 0)

    I was almost 15 when I got my period too.  And, my parents were Adele Davis/Shaklee nuts... very healthy.  So, I doubt nutrition is tied to it as well.  There are so many things in our environment that could be causing this, it's going to be hard to pinpoint it.  Processed foods, hormones in meat and dairy, chemicals in our clothes.  All of these things could be disrupting the endocrine system.  I'm hoping we find an answer to this soon.

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    by 1plain1peanut on Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 08:45:57 AM PDT

  • hormones, and fats not found in nature (0 / 0)

    I too suspect diet-based hormones (among other possible causes), though not the ones yet mentioned.  Here's one reason why:

    rBST is invisible to human receptors - this we do know.  If it is having a deleterious effect on human health it's indirect, via what it does to the cow.  Which is possible, but with so many other possible culprits this wouldn't even appear on the first page of my list.  Human hormones are IMHO much more worrisome.  

    There are two major classes of hormone. We don't have to worry much about peptide hormones because our bodies maintain tight control - we break down foreign proteins and rebuild the proteins and peptides the body needs (or thinks it needs).

    But many hormones are built from fats (as are many proinflammatory and anti-inflammatory molecules).  Our lipid biosysthesis machinery isn't as smart as the protein machinery, it accepts whatever raw materials it sees.  Garbage in, garbage out.  When we hydrogenate oil we produce whole families of lipids not found in nature, so our bodies aren't adapted to handle it.  When a hormone synthetic pathway sees a building block similar to one it normally uses, it may turn it into something similar to the highly bioactive molecule it normally makes.  

    How often does this happen?  We don't know.  Do the end products have negative effects?  We don't know.  But with highly bioactive signaling molecules you only need trace amounts to have biological activity; there may be new undetected hormones running around in our bodies.

    • huh (0 / 0)

      That's very interesting. What about the massive amounts of estrogen and progesterone in the water from birth control hormones? I suppose that would make the effects localized, striking out communities that drank from aquifers.

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      by thais on Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 11:27:11 AM PDT

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  • good lord (0 / 0)

    Crikey, I didn't get my period until I was 16 and didn't really develop breasts until after that; I went from an A cup to a C cup in about a year (and went from 5'2 or something to 5'6". Oh, the stretch marks and shifting center of gravity!). It was painful enough being so late to hit puberty when my classmates were probably 1-3 years ahead of me, but 8 years!?

    FWIW, my mom was a late bloomer and so was my sister. My aunt was an early bloomer and so was her daughter.

    This is really worrying, because aren't certain types of cancers linked with early-onset puberty? Also, I wonder what this means for menopause; with earlier puberty, do you start menopause earlier or at the same time as is noted now? If menopause also starts earlier, this could have tremendous impacts on how women in future run their family planning.

    • Crikey is right! (0 / 0)

      Last night when I read the post, all I could think of was packages of diapers and sanitary pad and tampons all bundled together in some future world....but I creeped myself out too much to comment last night, so here I am today.

      I was thinking of the factor of girls needing a certain level of fat stores in their bodies to start menstruation and wondered as the commenters above whether the obvious diet issues in this country aren't impacting girls' earlier puberty onset.  

      I was a late bloomer, and my daugther was more typical...age 13....I was around 15 or 16 I think.  My Mom was earlier than I, but later than dd.  I cannot imagine girls getting their periods at 6,7, or 8....even 11 seems too early imo.

  • 11 (0 / 0)

    I got mine period at 11, so 11 doesn't seem young to me. But younger than that does seem a bit early. But the I also remember third graders hiding from teachers   to make out with each other. Not me, despite my mother telling me we moved from that house in part because I was becoming a slut (at age 10).

    • that seems harsh of your mom (0 / 0)

      11 seems early to me both from my own experience and seeing girls at age 11, raising both my kids through that age.  I think it robs a young girl of having more years "worry" free in terms of bodily function --Of course that's just my 2 cents.... I used to think of my period as a complete hassle.  I was jazzed  (although I wished I hadn't had a cancer scare) to think of being period free after my hysterectomy.   I'm glad my daughter didn't get her period until 13.  I still felt a twinge of sadness for the loss of hassle-free months in her future, although I was also excited about her maturation...another time when it's not either/or, but both.

  • What age (0 / 0)

    What age is the right age to get your period?

  • Plastics and Chemicals (0 / 0)

    Pthalates found in plastics such as PVC are endocrine disruptors.  They have a potential tie to sexual under-development in boys.  Could it be that they are also over-developing girls?  In my opinion, we should decrease our children's contact with chemicals in foods, toys, containers, body-care products, and anywhere we can.  Early puberty is a scary sign.

  • I am very glad that my 10.5yo DD (0 / 0)

    shows no signs of puberty yet. Not a breast bud in sight. She is 4'10" and weighs about 65 lbs, though, and I really think the weight has a lot to do with it. I was a skinny late-bloomer (period at 14), but I'm skeptical of the heredity as my mom and sister were each 12.

    Last summer (between 4th and 5th grades) I noticed a lot of girls her age wearing bras since the style seemed to be to show the straps--yuck, and many of the girls, maybe half, actually needed them. I ended up buying some trainers for DD who won't need anything for some time to come, just so she wouldn't get teased. I remember my mom not buying them for me because I didn't need them and it was a problem.

  • Are there implications to reproductive age (0 / 0)

    I'm not a biologist -- but wonder if this would mean then that menopause might come earlier?  If we're born with a finite # of eggs, and we start burning through them 5 years earlier, either people are born with more, or they're viable longer, or we're going to see more and more fertility challenges in the early 30s.

    --R

    • Good point (0 / 0)

      It would seem likely to me, but I don't know if it's been studied.

      • You have way more eggs than you ever use. (0 / 0)

        IIRC, the numbers are something ridiculous like having enough eggs to last 300 years if you kept having your period that long. Shouldn't be a problem. Although the more eggs the ovaries expel, the higher the chance of ovarian cancer. We forget that it's actually unnatural for women to have so many period - for millenia, women hit puberty, got pregnant soon after, and were thereafter breast feeding (no period), pregnant (no period), or about to get pregnant. In a lot of ways, using the pill to convince the body to not ovulate is more natural than having only one or two children and not using chemical contraception.

        Anyways, I agree that what's going on is concerning. Obviously, I don't have a firm grasp of the emotional implications of this for girls and women, but I do find myself worrying about the effects on boys, also. They're hitting puberty early, too, and while the effects are less obvious, I do think there are issues with this. Testosterone is, not to put too fine a point on it, a rather nasty hormone to have coursing around your system. I've always thought boys need a certain amount of emotional maturity just to be able to deal with the urges that come with a flood of testosterone hitting the body. This has important implications for girls, too, because if you've got a bunch of, er, horny 10 year olds walking around who don't have the emotional maturity to keep their self control... it just seems like a bad combination to me.

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        by Expat Briton on Tue Jan 22, 2008 at 10:02:57 AM PDT

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