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Some Mommy ranting...

Tue Sep 25, 2007 at 10:49:49 PM PDT

I'm struggling with personal problems right now and it's made things much harder for me as a parent.  I'm trying to put the pieces together and understand what has happened and it's a journey I thought I might share, but it's personal and I'm quite honest.  

I also don't doubt that there are many women who have a hard time with motherhood just as there are many women who don't see it as hard at all.  Everyone is okay, I want to say this because this is a very personal entry and it's not meant to make a statement about other mothers, just me as a mother, that's it.

And please, I beg of you, no lectures and no scolding about my labor, my breastfeeding or any other choices.  I'm not soliciting advice.

I did not have the perfect example of motherhood, my mother was damaged.  She's a great grandmother and she's grown, but most of my adult life I've tried to deal with my anger with her and her shortcomings.  

I never met my father, he was just as damaged.  He came back from Vietnam a heroin addict and he was bi-polar.  Great combo.  My mother left him when I was still an infant and she didn't look back.  She moved us to the west coast and made the same mistake over and over again, choosing men that were not good for her and sadly not good for me.  She is an alcoholic and drug user.  Much of my childhood was spent taking care of her.  My step father, whom she married merely to make a "whole family" was abusive and also an alcoholic.  I grew up with many you're stupid, you're fat, you're worthless.  I've tried hard to work on these, very hard but it's a huge part of my insecurities.

I got pregnant with my daughter Charlotte five years into my marriage.  The pregnancy was hard and I had some scares and the last few weeks were plagued by PUPPS, worse thing ever, until labor started.

I went into labor at about 8pm on a Monday night.  By four am my contractions  were consistently close together to warrant a trip to the hospital.  They made me comfortable and then upon being examined let me know I was about 10 percent effaced.  That's it.  Go home.

So I went home and continued to labor for another day at home.  My contractions were never more than fifteen minutes apart and they would get closer together and then further apart.  I got home at six am that Tuesday morning and kept going.  

I called Kaiser many times not really knowing what to do.  They kept asking me if I was drinking enough water.  Yes, tons, I hated having contractions on the toilet, they were just weird.

Finally I gave up.  I went in again at 6am on Wednesday morning (I called the hospital I was supposed to go to and they asked if I could wait, no.  So I went to the Kaiser Hospital in Anaheim).  I remember sitting and waiting and wondering, it was scary.

SO I get checked again, this time not in a labor or delivery room.  I'm 1 to 2 cm's.  Yes.  Two days later.  They hinted they might NOT be able to admit me before they even checked how far along I was.  It was awful, I don't know what they were thinking.  I was making labor up?  My husband was of no help, he played video games while I was in labor this whole time.  Yes, we took a class, oh well.

So, what did they do?  They knocked me out.  Drugged me up.  I just wanted to sleep.  I hadn't slept since Sunday night and I was so worn out.  After being out for a couple of hours I woke up not able to move much and having to PEE, I had to call out.  I got yelled at because I didn't push the button, but I didn't care, I HAD TO PEE NOW.

At that time they checked me again and I was 4cm!  Woohoo.  They moved me to the newest labor and delivery room, it was nice, it was big.  Wow.  They hooked me up to pitocin and monitors and off we went.  (I think I should have done what my gut told me to do and had a doula).  

The contractions got much harder and I was done, seriously.  Time for an epidural.  It was good.  I could still feel the contractions and move my legs.  They did all those other lovely things that come with an epidural.  I had left things open, that if I felt I needed it, I would have one but I wanted to try without.  I pretty much had had enough.  I'm a wuss when it comes to pain.  

So, I'm following the contractions, her heartbeats and the process and all of a sudden all the alarms go off and there are five people in my room telling me to roll over, move.  The midwife was lovely as was her intern and I was so grateful that they were there.  I needed it then.

So, her heart rate is going down with the contractions, decels.  They got Gary and told us both that a c-section was the next option.  They checked me and I was only 6cms.  Yes, after 44 hours of labor I was six centimeters dilated, that's it.  I begged to let me labor on my own a bit longer and they took me off the pitocin.  Her decels stopped and we thought we might make it, until she started to decel with my pathetic contractions.

I was so scared and it was so strange.  I was an only child and I had not had any friends who had children.  I was strange to this world and it was hard.  They said I was going ahead of three other women waiting for a c-section, we had to go.  It was a good thing I had the epidural, the same lovely anesthesiologist came back to prep me for the c-section.  They gave me some good stuff.

I remember being so afraid of panicking during the c-section but I've never been so calm in my life, I was floating.  Yes.  Good drugs.  And I wasn't scared for a little bit as my husband held my hand and I felt the tugging of the surgery, but nothing else.

It was quiet when the pulled her out and then a scream, a crying.  The doctor said, well her lungs work, really well.  She was born stubborn.  She wasn't going to come out.  Her little head was not pointed, she hadn't even gotten very far, she was stuck.  She had to be pulled out.

Charlotte was born with bright red hair and a pair of lungs that worked.  They took me away from her and to a recovery room.  I had to be able to lift my ass up off of the gurney in order to see her.  It was rather awful.

The next couple of days in the hospital were hard and humiliating for me.  For one, I couldn't hold my urine (They took the catheter out the next morning).  It was hard to get out of bed on my own and then once I did I had to rush to the bathroom.  I missed a couple of times.  I just felt so helpless.

Breastfeeding didn't go well either.  A lactation consultant came by with a pump.  Charlotte wouldn't latch on (I took a breastfeeding class too) and then found out that I have "flat nipples".  What?  I don't even want to go into the time I struggled with breastfeeding, it was hard.  It did not come naturally and I was stubborn, I was going to breastfeed this little girl, I had read so much about how good it was for her and for me.

I went to many consultants (by the way, my doctor told me vicodin was fine, a couple in fact and then I was told no.  Could they work this shit out before telling me things?  I mean, I said I was breastfeeding.  And the look a woman gave me in a nursing clinic made my ovaries wither, I felt so small).  

I breastfed here and there, she had good times and bad times.  I pumped.  When I kept track of my breastfeeding, I would spend eight hours a day.  She took her time, that's for sure.  I was chained to my boppy.  I felt very alone, not one friend of mine had kids and I didn't feel warm and fuzzy about parenthood.

She cried a lot between 11pm and 3 am for a few weeks, that was hard.  My husband became a heavy sleeper after she was born.  I was so sleep deprived I don't remember some of it, it was a blur.  And looking back, I was depressed.  I had a history of depression so the idea of Post partum was not far fetched.  I also had migraines etc.  Health problems just kept coming and I couldn't lose weight.

After I weened my daughter I started having really bad migraines to the point of vomiting, shaking etc.  I was back to work and I had some other issues transpire, such as the first daycare Charlotte was at smacked her so hard there was a bruise shaped like a hand on her face.  She was 15 pounds and five months old.  We put her into another daycare the following week.  I felt like I failed her.  It was painful.  And I kept going.

I've struggled with depression and health issues since.  I was diagnosed with PCOS (but it wasn't until I'd seen four doctors who looked at me and said I didn't have it, there was nothing wrong with me, it took a blood test to see that my hormones were indeed way off), I thought I wouldn't even be able to get pregnant due to my irregular periods.  We had sex twice and I got pregnant the second time.

The journey has led me to here.  Charlotte is four years old (as of the end of May) and she still won't go poop on the potty (I never used the word potty before I had Charlotte).   This is a conundrum in itself.  She knows when she has to go, she gets a pull up and goes.  It's a control issue.  Part of me feels like I'm being punished for deciding to have just one child (four years of diapers!)

I've been diagnosed with bipolar II disorder.  I even thought I might have had Post traumatic stress disorder because of the impact of the labor.  Yes, I know, many people have difficult labors, that's why I said, I'm talking about just me.

My marriage has suffered a great deal.  How people have more than one is beyond me.  Everyday, I feel like a failure as a parent because I can't handle it all.  When I get home I want to bury myself in my bed and I have days where it is hard for me to be around my daughter and I feel so much guilt because she truly is a beautiful soul.

My husband works as a teacher and he has Fridays off.  He also works Monday through Thursday but just a few hours.  So he has a lot more free time than I do.  Tonight it was an argument about taking Charlotte to daycare.  I want to get to work very early and I don't think it's fair to make her go in early.  I just don't.  So if I can get in at 7:30 am I can leave at 4:30 if I want or even skip lunch and leave an hour earlier I can spend more time with Charlotte.  

Now when my husband had to finish his disseration, I stepped up and took her in and picked her up.  I struggled to make my hours with my exhaustion and my health issues.  I've had so many awful ups and downs and I know I've not been easy to live with.  During the summer when he had to work from 9:30 to 4:30 Monday to Thursday I picked her up and dropped her off.  I was good, I did housework etc.  He complained about how hard it was to work a full day, which is what I do every week end on end.  Why doesn't he see that?

Now when I need this, I can't seem to get it.  He asked me to take Charlotte to school Monday because of his office hour.  Then he said that again tonight.  You have two?  He's never had two before his 9:30 class.  And the thing is, he doesn't leave the house until 8:30!  So is it too much to ask?  He expects me to get up much earlier to make my hours but God forbid he do the same.  I know these struggles are not rare, my husband and I are fighting to keep a part of ourselves to ourselves but I resent that he gets so much time to himself and I rarely do and to top it off, he takes it for granted.

Yes, I'm at my ropes end.  I fell asleep last night at 7pm.  I worked 11 hours today.  Why can't I ask for this?

My daughter laughs at me when I ask her to go to bed.   She runs from me.    I'm so tired and she knows it, it's like she smells weakness.  And many times my husband was gone and I was having such a hard time at something that was supposed to come naturally.  

I snapped tonight.  I yelled and I told her that was it.  I put her in her room and closed the door (my favorite is her yelling "I WANT TO LISTEN, I WANT TO LISTEN NOW).  She freaked out of course, but I said that was it.  There is no excuse for treating me like that, none.  After a bit of yelling and crying I went to her and talked to her.  She went to bed pretty easily after that, but I felt so bad for snapping.  Of course I told her that I loved her very much and I was sorry for yelling.  

So I just keep asking, what is wrong with me?  How can other people handle this and I can't manage one child?  The guilt, the questions, all of it wears on me.  And when I ask for help from my husband it's impossible.  We almost battle to not have to deal with her.  Everything is hard with Charlotte, nothing is easy and everything is a fight, a struggle.  We've tried so many different things and they work for a bit and then she spirals back into disobedience.  She runs me ragged and wears me out.

And I love her so much.  She's sweet, she's loving and caring (on the nights I go to bed before her she makes sure I have a friend to sleep with and gives me a kiss and hug goodnight, she will also make sure my glasses are on my bedstand).  She's an amazing little girl who makes me laugh and cry.  Her teachers love her, they love how she makes them laugh, how she takes cares of other children (one of the other parents told us that Char had taught his son how to ride a bike) and how she so easily gives everyone hugs and kisses.  A teacher in her new class told me that a couple of teachers come and ask how she is and how they miss her in their classroom.  I've been told she makes friends so easily and when she needs to move to kindergarten she will do fabulously.

She is loved, we may not do the best thing all the time, but she is most certainly loved and she hears it all the time.  But I can't help but think, why can't we do better?  Why does this have to be a struggle.  Why do I have to fight for what I need?

This is long.  I'm sorry.  I need to get it out and put it down.  My journey has been so hard for me.  I want to go back to school and I hate my job.  I'm bored beyond my mind and when I look in the mirror, I don't know who I'm looking at anymore (I've never been this big and my headaches, cravings, pms etc has made it so hard to continue exercise and stick to a routine.  I get lectures from people about how if I did this or that it would be better.  And I get better for a bit and then have another episode of depression.  It's like a black pit).

Well, if you made it this far, you are a saint and if you've held back from judging you are a good soul.  Thanks for reading.

Tags: Motherhood, depression, labor, breastfeeding (all tags)

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  • I have a few things I want to say... (0 / 0)

    1. We've all been there.
    2. You're not alone.
    3. You're doing NOTHING wrong.

    Just to give you a little history:
    My marriage broke up when my daughter (who's now 13) was barely two. He was a completely unsupportive husband, especially when it came to being there for me during my pregnancy. When I was about 7 months along, I went into early labor. He couldn't be bothered to take me to the hospital, so I drove myself (the 10 miles, in the middle of the night) to get checked out and stop the contractions. I was a lost soul during this time, and struggled with drug addiction for the next 7 years and even though I still managed to maintain a job and provide for my daughter, I did it with no joy. I still struggle with the guilt of not being a better mom to Karina during the first 4 years of her life.

    When I got pregnant with Cristian, it was a...surprise. And, not a good one. I made an appointment to end the pregnancy, and would have done it had a good friend not talked me off the ledge. I was in the throws of drug addiction and had to go "cold turkey" while pregnant with Cristian. Throughout, I hated him because I couldn't get high. When I was 3 months pregnant, I was diagnosed with THE WORST CASE OF PUPPPS. My God! Isn't it awful?? No one can understand the agony of that rash unless you experience it. And I was SO sad to see that you in fact had also gone through that nightmare. I had a difficult delivery and a "sunny side up" birth. Cristian had to be pulled out with forceps. For the next 3 months he was colicky and cried ALL. THE. TIME. First I had the PUPPPS then a colicky baby...I didn't sleep for an entire year. I was at my wits end.

    Throughout the pregnancy, I couldn't wait to give birth, because that meant I could get high. I got high the day after coming home from the hospital. Forget breastfeeding! I tried, for about 10 minutes. One day, things just clicked for me, and I was able to say goodbye to drugs  for good about a month after Cristian was born. I've been clean ever since.

    I know it's hard when you don't have a good support system, but one thing is VERY clear...you are doing an incredible job! You have to remember that the best indication of what kind of mother you are is not how your child acts when they're with YOU...(they KNOW what they can get away with, with you), but the way they are when you're not around. If her friends love her, her teachers love her...if everyone loves her, then you're molding a great little person. And that's definately something you should be proud of!

    • Thank you (0 / 0)

      Wow, what a journey.  You've had rough pregnancy, it's insane and your honesty is admirable.  I'm so proud of you for being able to walk away from addiction, it's not easy and I think people fail to understand just how hard it is to kick.  You did it, you've been through so much and I just want to thank you for taking the time to let me know about it and give me some feedback.  

      And what's funny is I never even thought of it that way.  I mean, I always hear about how awesome Charlotte is from friends and family and I think, what, you've mixed up your children!  But I never thought about it in the light you mention.  Thank you for that as well, it helps a great deal.

      hugs  Thanks again.

      • Be proud (0 / 0)

        of the fact that your daughter does so well with others. Remember, the goal isn't to have a perfectly behaved 4-year-old (don't we wish!) but a mature, solid 20-year-old. That she is difficult for you but good for others shows that she's solidly attached, and also that she knows how to behave. She just can't behave perfectly all the time. It really helped me to learn/understand that young children don't have the brain development that makes certain kinds of control possible. (I've been spoiled by dogs and horses, who learn much faster than young humans!) A scan of a normal 2-year-old is similar to that of an adult schitzophrenic in that they have too many chaotic connections - like a telephone switchboard where every line is connected to every other.

        We have trouble with bedtimes and my daughter runs me ragged too. But, her teachers love her. They also tell me that pretty much any child where they have that report gets incredulity from the parents. :-)

  • few things too... (0 / 0)

    I believe that people can get PTSD from traumatic labors or any traumatic medical experience really.  In the end, I hope you can take great comfort in the fact that you lived and are well, and so did your daughter.  

    I wouldn't worry about the pooping in the pullup.  My rule is you can poop in a pullup or you can poop on the potty. You can't poop in your underwear.  You poop on the potty, I'll give you a reward of some sort.  You poop in the pullup, no biggie.  I'll clean ya up and send you on your way.  She will not poop in a pullup forever!

    The bedtime routine sounds tiring alright.  I would try to nail that down before anything else.  Healthy Sleep Habits by Weissbluth is a great sleep book, for kids of all ages.  I firmly believe that sleep is super important and kids need a bed routine.  Maybe once you get that sorted better, things will feel less chaotic overall and your evening will be more pleasant, knowing that you will not have a struggle at bedtime.

    It sounds like you have a doctor working with you and if you don't feel better soon, go back until you get the therapy that works for you.  It can take a while.  Keep bugging them until you feel better.  You deserve to be well.

    Hang in there.  It sounds like your daughter is happy at school and well-liked which is wonderful.  Take care of yourself too and things will fall into place.  : )

    • Thank you (0 / 0)

      I will check the book out.  Sadly my daughter and I are very similar in that when we're tired we're grouchy and I find by the end of the day I'm too tired to struggle and to do deal at times, which is sad.

      I plan on changing doctors, I've been meaning to for a couple of years now.  As for the labor, I think it's the reason I have no desire to have more children, I just can't even imagine doing it again.

      As for bedtime routines, it's hard when you just have no routines and I keep trying to get us on some kind of schedule but my husband always seems to have some excuse for not sticking to it and changing things, which makes it so hard.  I need to sit down and talk to him about it, which we do every few months and it gets better for a while and then goes downhill again.  I hate feeling like I have to nag and bully to get things done, it's tiring too.

      Thanks for taking the time and your encouragement it was helpful and appreciated.

  • Second that! (0 / 0)

    1. We've all been there.
    1. You're not alone.
    1. You're doing NOTHING wrong.

    Gloria is so right, I just had to repeat.

    We have a little bit in common: my parents split when I was 6; my mom was dysfunctional in some ways that I still feel angry about and am still dealing with; labor and childbirth was pretty lousy; breastfeeding was difficult and I still hate the lactation consultant I saw, who told me it was my fault my son had jaundice because I had a shot of nubain (if this is the case why doesn't every shot of nubain cause jaundice, and why do babies get jaundice whose moms don't have nubain--bitch! (oh and by the way, my friend also had the flat-nipple problem) (and another aside, when DS was being born they were concerned that his heart rate wasn't accelerating and decelerating with contractions--his hb was steady and apparently that was a BIG problem, whatever, I think they just make this shit up a lot of the time); my DS was also 4 in May and I am also pregnant with number 2, sick as a dog, wondering WHY DID I DO THIS???

    My friend (coincidentally, the flat-nippled one) has a daughter who is very strong-willed and challenging and pushes her every button. She said she'd like to be at stay at home mom but not with her kid! They just clash so much, it's much better she's in daycare (now kindergarten). Her husband is also not the biggest household helper and she has to do battle for everything. Then she went and had number 2. Her son is the sweetest, most easy-going child in the whole world. He slept through the night at 3 weeks. He never tantrums. He is night and day from his older sister. Hopefully your second child will follow suit . . . another thing, don't feel bad about a few long days at days care if it makes your life easier right now. Your daughter seems happy enough and the hours on the clock just don't mean as much to them as they do to us at this age. Better have a happy mommy for two solid hours a day than a tired, cranky, sick mommy for four, at least's that's my opinion.

    I think you're doing a great job-- you obviously have a terrific kid even if she saves her "special" behavior just for you :) Don't feel bad about yelling at a naughty kid, either. Sometimes it's the only thing that gets through. And I always say, based on my own experience, there is a very large margin for error in parenting.

    • Thank you (0 / 0)

      Oh, that is the thing that drives me so crazy is how people are quick to blame the mother on things that are out of her control and they wreck these women who are already vunerable.  It's evil.

      You are brave to have number two, I admire that, it takes a certain kind of mettle and it is quite amazing how much we have in common.  Char's birthday is May 28th.

      I want to thank you for taking the time to read and comment and to share your experience, wow, this has been so helpful and very informative for me.  Because I don't have mommy friends I haven't shared much of this with anyone and to get a chance to just vent the whole ordeal helps.  But to get the feedback is even more helpful.

      You are right though, she does great in daycare and I will go to pick her up early and she doesn't want to leave!  And when I went back to work I was grateful because I couldn't handle being home with her all the time she is just too much.  The women who cared for her said, yes, Charlotte takes forever to eat but we take our time with her, which they did.

      Thanks again.

  • I'll third and fourth this (0 / 0)

    We've all been there.

    1. You're not alone.
    1. You're doing NOTHING wrong

    and addd the following

    1. NO one has it as easy as you may 'think' they do and even if they did it's no reflection on YOU as a parent.

    I'm a single mom -- and I have the most mercurial child who has bit me, scratched me til I got scars, thrown things at me, trashed my house etc.  I've gotten her help and me help and the one thing that I've learned from this is that I have the power to change MY reaction to her - I have broken things in my house out of anger and frustration with her but through some good help from her counselor we've both found our way to a better happier relationship.  

    FTR I have flat nipples too and a child who HATED breasteeding (which made me hate it) the day I stopped trying to breastfeed is the day our real relationship began.  don't beat yourself up over that --it's a small thing in the grand scheme of her life and yours.  You make and made the right choices for you and for her and I firmly believe that my choice to formula feed Liza saved my sanity and her life.  

    In all of this do NOT feel guilty for claiming time for your own health and well being. YOU matter too and if you're not healthy and rested no one will be -- don't "ask" for help from your husband -- announce it -- tell him "on Monday you will bring her to daycare. period"  STAKE YOUR CLAIM and stick to it!  

    • Thank you (0 / 0)

      I feel for single parents, I do, because I know I couldn't do it.  I'm glad you found a way to work through your issues with your daughter.  I'm well aware of the things I have power over and I've worked hard on how I react to her and then I have days where I feel like the child and I don't have the energy to be so patient.  It's rare and I've had people recognize that I'm more patient with her than I give myself credit for.

      As for flat nipples, who'da thunk?  I mean, the funny thing is, no one looked at my breasts.  I mean, you'd think they'd want to address that before the child is born right?

      As for formula versus breastfeeding, I'm an advocate for doing what is best for child and parent.  Both.  The way women are guilted into breastfeeding is disgusting to me.  The choices we make are under attack in subtle and hurtful ways, especially if you unwittingly step into a journal or community that is avidly in favor of breastfeeding.  Unfortunately I think that their frevor can do much more harm than good and the judgements only alienate women from the option.

      And yes, I called him on his bullshit by the way, I don't think he knew what to say.  I know I've not been easy to live with, but it's also frustrating that if I don't do certain things, they would never get done.  There has to be a balance.

    • I agree on the "announcement" (0 / 0)

      I have a husband like this, too.  He and I don't see things with the same urgency and he tends to let things slide which I find to be important.  

      When I ask, "Could you do X?" I usually get a rash of bullshit and excuses.

      When I say, "I am going to do X and you will do Y," usually he steps up.

      You are not the only person to be traumatized by a difficult and complicated birth.  I know many mothers who still are dealing with that.  And taking care of mental illness is a big job - I have had the similar struggles myself and so have many family members and it's a lot harder than it sounds.
      I'm glad you are finding a way through the diagnoses and hope you will find some good people to help you with that.  

      Oh, and regards to the video game playing spouse?  Who also didn't care to help prepare for baby or baby's room or baby-gear purchasing or anything baby related until she CAME OUT OF MY BODY? Check.  

      Reuse. Enthuse. Repeat. http://www.secondhandnation.com

      by Secondhand Nation on Wed Sep 26, 2007 at 01:18:27 PM PDT

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      • in some ways (0 / 0)

        I don't think my DH really believed there was a person in there until DS came out and started crying.  He faked it pretty well, bought me ice cream, patted my arm and stuff, but I have a feeling it just didn't seem real to him.  I have this mental picture of him reading a paperback while I was in labor and I swear to Athena he looked like a guy at the airport, waiting for his plane.

        I have to say, he got with the program pretty fast and is a great dad now.  But prepping for the birth was sort of like planning our wedding -- he just didn't get it.

      • I am like your DH (0 / 0)

        I will do what you need me to do, and even some things you want me to do, if I have time.  But if you don't tell me it's an urgent need, don't assume I'll make it a priority.  Communication is so hard.

      • SN (0 / 0)

        I'm sorry you didn't get help preparing for the kid, but I'm sure he/she turned out fine, and maybe preparation beforehand didn't seem like such a big deal (to him)?  I was constantly astounded by how everyone at the hospital and CPS were like, "You can't care for your baby because you didn't get anything ready ahead of time!"  Fact is, healthy babies don't need that much to get by, and people often have them ahead of schedule and unprepared so...

      • I think he has serious regrets about (0 / 0)

        us being parents and my attitude is tough shit, she's here and she needs us to be the adults.  Maybe he thought if he just played his matrix game she wouldn't come.  And he's an educated man, the mind boggles at times when I think about it.

        My husband thinks I'm a hypochondriac and he's not very shy about telling me.  I've had bronchitis and he wasn't very sympathetic until I came out of the urgent care with all the medicines and then he's like, oh, I guess she is really sick.  It hurts when you feel you aren't trusted and it's frustrating.

        I feel bad that I have nights when I come home from a long day at work and I just don't want to deal and I know he's worked four hours and he's not struggling with these things and the only way for me to get him to do things sometimes means that I just don't do it.  But then we will go days with dishes in the sink and I snap.

        It's so weird, we are both fairly intelligent but my God how we treat each other.  And my daughter is so perceptive.  Recently he told her to listen to Mommy and not make her upset while he was away, she said, "But Daddy, you make mommy upset".  Yes, she's that good.  And I think she knows I'm hurting because she will be all over him if he speaks to me in a certain way and she's so very protective of me, it's amazingly precious.

        Thank you for taking the time to respond.  I wonder if Mothertalkers has ever thought of setting up a live chat for those times someone needs a bit of encouragement, I bet it would help.

        Thanks again for your time and thoughts, it means a lot to me to have all these amazing women come and give me such support, I literally overwhelmed by it.

  • I'll judge you (0 / 0)

    You're NORMAL!!!

    I guarantee you everyone who reads your diary will stop at one point (or several, in my case) and think "been there!"

    Fighting with DH over childcare responsibilities? Check

    Smart little kid who knows how to exploit Mommy's weaknesses? Check

    Massive sleep deprivation? Check (remember: there's a reason they use it to torture prisoners!)

    Depression: Check

    Traumatic birth experience: Oh yeah.

    These are just part and parcel of 'motherhood.' It's incredibly difficult and underappreciated, but we all think it's supposed to be easy because it's so common.

    Nothing lasts forever, this included. It will get better. Really.

    • But why don't we know that, understand it (0 / 0)

      in the wider culture?  My parents went out their way to emphasize how difficult parenting was, even for them, with steady jobs and a long history of stable marriage.  People tell stories when it comes up.  But in general it seems like, in the media, or in American culture in general, we don't really explore the difficult, unpleasant, aspects of the very worthwhile experience of parenthood.

      • Agree (0 / 0)

        I think a big part of the wider culture not being honest is that people don't want to say anything negative at all about parenting, lest it be misconstrued as somehow related to their love for their children.

        • This is one of the (0 / 0)

          first things I realized after having a child.  Why doesn't anyone talk about how hard this is!  I mean, I knew it wouldn't be easy, but holy hell, I never even imagined it would be this hard.

          I really wish we could talk about this more, how parenthood really impacts women, especially since so many more are working mothers.  I know there are magazines, etc.  but I'm talking about real discourse or maybe I'm just not aware of it.

          But I do scratch my head now and again when I see assumptions about parenthood and wonder.

          • I am so fortunate to have a support network (0 / 0)

            I actually work with my best friends who happen to be moms of similarly-aged kids. I am grateful every days for their care and support-- I'd be so lost without them. I knew when I had DS and he was colicky that it would be a living nightmare because my friend went through the same thing a year before. I spent twenty minutes today talking about dealing with preschool bullying and arguments with my friend who has a son that's the same age. It is a rare and wonderful gift to have these people in my life, and to be able to work with them to boot.

            But because you can never have too much support and too many opinions (so you can pick the one you happen to like!) I love MT too. The internet is a great way to connect to people. So even if the MSM and Hallmark and whatnot still insist on burdening us with these myths and impossible standards, we have a safe place to go where the truth can get out.

            • Yes (0 / 0)

              I'm working right now on building my own support system and it's hard to do when you're 36 and you work full time.  But I'm going to.

              I started back to church and I'm getting involved in some local politics.  I am going to start Charlotte with some sports and dance, she's so active it's insane, she goes and goes.

              I'm so very glad I found this place, thank you.

      • I think that's the value of MT (0 / 0)

        You're right that the nitty gritty of parenting isn't honestly portrayed much, but we do talk about a lot of stuff here that, for me, helps me reflect on stuff that I thought I was the only one who struggled with.  

    • Thank you (0 / 0)

      Well, when you judge that way ;)  I appreciate you took the time to read and respond.  Sometimes when you are there you feel rather stuck and have to be reminded that this too shall pass.

      Thanks again!

  • Hugs to you! (0 / 0)

    I agree with the post-traumatic stress thing.  My birth experience was a lot shorter, and I think I'm glad of that because it happened so fast I didn't time to get scared.  I woke up in labor (didn't know it, first pregnancy & all) at 28 weeks and by 2:00 that afternoon DS was out.

    First, I'm mad at your hospital.  You had a c-section; why on earth didn't they give you a catheter?  I hauled myself out of bed six hours after the surgery because we were having DS baptized in the NICU and the nurses said I couldn't go (I hadn't actually seen him yet) unless I could get myself into the wheelchair.  But at least I didn't have to worry about peeing for a couple of days...I loved the catheter!

    I found the inconsistency thing to be the worst...it started with the lactation consultants & went right through the NICU staff.  I'd be told one thing, and then a different person would come along and say "Why are you doing that?"  This is completely my own opinion, but I still have bitterness about the lactation consultants.  I found them to be very aggressive & intimidating, and like I was just part of their agenda.  I had breast reduction surgery & my mother was unable to BF, so I was prepared to try but knew I may have difficulty.  It seemed the consultants could simply not accept the fact that not everyone is going to not only be able to figure it out with mom & baby, but have the milk production to do it.  It isn't just a matter of enough support & encouragement. When I mentioned some advice my mom gave me, one woman snapped, "I think you need to stop listening to your mother."

    Plus, my son was almost 12 weeks early...he didn't even know how to suck!  I pumped & never got more than one ounce a day, but the nurses were kind and called it Gus's vitamins.  They added it to his feeding tube every day, and then his bottle when he could finally use a nipple six weeks later.

    When I went for my three-week check-up, the doctor gave me a depression quiz.  When I finished, he said, "This shows me you're really depressed."  I didn't think that was unusual; I had a baby in the hospital hooked up to tubes & machines.  But when the doc mentioned PTSS, I was really surprised.  I thought that was for crime victims & natural disaster survivors.  I went to a counselor & went on meds, and did feel better.  I learned that I was having grief about the expectations & experiences that I didn't have.  I also learned to deal with my survivor's guilt...we saw so many babies & parents in the NICU who were worse off than us that I felt so bad and wondered why did we get so lucky.  But I definitely still have moments of anger & bitterness.

    I think the very fact that you worry you're a bad mom means you're not one.  It's been my observation that the people who really & truly need help think they're doing everything right and their kids are just fantastic.  Your daughter sounds bright, creative, strong, & independent.  We need women like that!  Your situation is stressful, no doubt about it.  But we're here for you, and my only advice is at the end of each day, when your daughter is healthy & safe in her room, think "I did the best I knew how today and it was good enough."

    • Huh (0 / 0)

      I spent days begging the hospital to get me a lactation consultant, but noooo, they didn't work at night, and why should they bother with that, when someone had already told them to keep the kid away from me and start him on formula.  Now I'm beginning to think learning to bf DS with my mom and some books may have been less stressful and better, especially since I was lucky enough to avoid any problems like mastitis.

      • I meant to say (0 / 0)

        in the above post, but didn't quite, that it sounds like people have had pretty bad experiences with lactation consultants.  What's the deal?  Are these people just poorly trained?  

        • I would guess (0 / 0)

          I have never met a lactation consultant, but from what I've read about people's negative experiences, I would guess that for some of these gals, their strong opinions and agendas regarding infant feeding are affecting the tone of their care.

          • I realize the title (0 / 0)

            is probably as much crap as calling a janitor a sanitation engineer, in that they are probably not paid or treated as professionals, but...
            Consulting means assisting your client to achieve their outcome.  Using your skills to support their decisions.  NOT ramming your beliefs down their throat.

            • asdf (0 / 0)

              I actually think they are pretty educated (I think they have to be nurses) and I would hope they are paid properly.  

              I just think in order to go into that line of work, you must have a real love of human lactation, which is great.  But that could possibly spill over into being a little bit too much at times.

              Of course, working with new mothers, who are full of expectations and fears and anxieties all while feeling like total crap, must be hard too.

              I wonder if the ones that people hire privately are any better than the "free" ones the hospital provides?  I would think that if you were getting paid directly by the client (and quite well from what I hear), you might be inclined to be nicer?

        • I liked my lactation consultants (0 / 0)

          FWIW, the LCs at my hospital were very professional and helpful. No agenda. That said, I had darned flat nipples (seems to be flat nipple day around here), and even a team of LCs couldn't figure out a way around that.

          I was in the hospital for 5 days, and an LC came around twice a day every day. I saw two different LCs, and once a third one came in to check on me. They had a meeting about my situation back at the LC ranch and my main LC came back with the consensus and a plan.

          Even though of course they are there for  BF'ing, they gave me a medical grade pump to get my supply going, and recommended formula on day two because ds wasn't getting enough to eat. And still helped me to try to bf.

          Everybody's experience is different. I lucked out with the LCs.

          Now, my post partum doula? OMG, what a total flake, do not get me started. DONA did not even respond to my email about making a complaint. I have no respect for the organization. GRRRRR.

          RachelD

          • same here (0 / 0)

            I tend to think we mostly hear the horror stories.

            By my second day in the hospital, my nipples were so torn up from an improper latch that I would burst into tears while trying to nurse. A lactation consultant helped me figure out what I was doing wrong, and ordered me to pump until my nipples healed, and give Maya formula and pumped breast milk until I felt up to trying to nurse again.

            Several days later I tried again. It took a few weeks of scabs and some pain but soon enough, I was nursing like a pro. Thank goodness my LC gave me "permission" to take a break from nursing until I healed. I was feeling like a failure at that point, and it helped ease my guilt tremendously.

            • That's huge (0 / 0)

              I used a nipple shield to nurse my daughter but I got lots of pressure to stop using it and it was annoying, I had to wash them of course etc.  But I kept getting warned that my supply would go down and I should wean her from them.

              I cut the nipple shield and guess what?  She went on a nursing strike,  She would have nothing to do with the cut shields.  I had to call people, la letche, going on line.  What did I do wrong?  She wouldn't latch on without them either and she was mad.  I think I finally got her to nurse without them, but it was harder.  And my supply went down.

              So guess what, LC's do make mistakes and the thing is, each baby is different and I went through so many, don't do this, this will happen, do this, etc it was maddening.  

          • She came by once (0 / 0)

            and I think I was so sleep deprived I didn't even get much of it, really!  She wasn't clear about anything and she never came back.  I was told I had to go to her which was hard after major surgery.

            My mother had to go out and buy the pump, they didn't have one for me to use at the hospital, which was even more annoying.

            GRRRR is right.  It's like an uphill battle and if you aren't well informed and stubborn it seems it's easy to get taken off track.

      • Isn't it crazy? (0 / 0)

        It's like the women who really want the help, support, & encouragement have to struggle to find it, and women like me, who may be a bit ambivalent or have an unusual situation, would like a little less "encouragement" and a bit more understanding.  I'm all for BF for anyone who wants to, any place they want to.  It was just my experience that the women I met were a bit too focused on their mission & I felt a bit left out, and not strong enough at the time to stand up for myself.

        • Sad (0 / 0)

          I have to admit, when I am struggling it's hard for me to call a friend because I have so few that I feel I can call and I know they have their things etc.  Why I can't get myself to pick up the phone and ask for help is beyond me, it's always been an issue for me.

          And I offer to help often and rarely does anyone let me and I get so frustrated, because helping fills me with joy as well and yet I can't allow myself help.

          Weird creatures are we and I think it's quite sad.

          If some of us could let others help us more and reach out when we need the help it would be a gift to everyone involved.

          I hope that made sense.

          • Volunteering may be for you (0 / 0)

            Have you considered a volunteer situation where you can involve DD?  For instance, I believe Meals on Wheels allows you to let your kids tag along, and the older folks love to see a little one.  It's something we're going to look into this winter.  I think you mentioned joining a church, and there's probably lots of opportunities there.  Many volunteer organizations are hurting for participants because so many people work during the day, and are working longer in their lifespan.  These groups can't count on women ages 50+ having tons of free time during the day any more.  I think they should concentrate on recruiting SAHMs, but they have to make allowances for bringing our kids along.  We are an untapped recourse!

      • i had good experiences (0 / 0)

        with lactation consultants. just for the record, they're not all bad. with my first DS i was having a hard time getting the whole thing going and our doula turned lactation consulant post-partum was a godsend. she had so many good suggestions and was so supportive. i didn't feel pressured by her at all. i needed help and she really pulled through. the second was with DS #2 in the hospital. he was in the NICU and i needed to pump for him. the lactation lady brought me all the stuff and left me half the gear (which conveniently matched the pump i had at home). again, no pressure, just helpful.

    • Thank you (0 / 0)

      It saddens me that women go through this everyday in hospitals during their labor and delivery, I know I can't be alone.  And it's so difficult when people patronize and lecture or they judge.

      They insisted on taking the cathater out right away, at least the next day, so it was like, okay?  They wanted me up and moving around, which was fine, but it was hard (Especially with the damn needle in my wrist, which I had to use my arms to hep lift me out and I got yelled at when it came out.  For crying out loud, you want me out of bed after major surgery but your not going to put the damn need in a place that won't inhibit be from TRYING to get out of bed on my own.  The mind boggles).

      There just seemed to be so many inconsistancies that led to more trauma that I think was necessary.  It deepened my feeling of helplessness and confusion.  I was pressured to feed my daughter formula because she wouldn't latch on and I knew she would be fine, I was told in the nursing class she would be okay if she didn't eat right away.  But they pressure you, it's like they want you to fail at breastfeeding!  The nurse wouldn't wake me to try to feed her and just give her a bottle.  Everything was a fight when you really have so little fight in the first place.  Talk about rigged?

      I've heard that before, about my worries over being a bad parent.  I don't really have an idea of a good parent and I have so much guilt and fear and trying to rid myself of these feelings of not being good enough have been hard, so then I beat myself up for not being able to do that.  Wow, talk about visious cycle.  I'm a classic child of an alcoholic with a badly damaged ego.  So I have my good and bad days.

      Thank you for taking the time to read, I'm reading all the comments carefully and taking the time to comment on each because it means a lot to me.

  • {{{hugs}}} (0 / 0)

    You're right, you're very honest.  This must have been hard to write, to capture all of what you've been through. You are NOT a failure.

    And the MTs are right -- a lot of us have been there!  Feeling overwhelmed, guilty and ashamed about some aspect of ourselves and our parenting.  It's not for the weak-hearted.  

    I have also been depressed at times, and it sounds like that's where you are now.  I'm so sorry.  That really sucks.  Is there any way you can get some psychotherapy?  If you had someone to help you make sense of your journey, beginning well before Charlotte was born, you might be able to lay some things to rest that you've been carrying for a long time.  And that might make dealing with your current situation (e.g., "helping" Charlotte's dad do his share, coping with a strong-willed child) feel more manageable.  I hope this doesn't feel like advice-giving.  I have this feeling of wanting to help, of wanting your experiences to make sense to you and for you to see all the ways you're strong and enough, and to move forward with a lighter step.

    I love how your husband "became a deep sleeper".  I remember my DH and I silently fighting over who would get up with DS more than once!  I couldn't believe we could become so petty, but sleep deprivation brings out the primitive survival instincts.

    Best wishes to you, and keep us posted.  There are so many fantastic women here who will encourage you whenever you need it.

    • Thank you (0 / 0)

      The hugs, the comments the commiseration has been such good food for my soul.

      Your advice is sound and I hope to get further help rather than just drugs when I change healthcare.  I am taking anti-depressants and I've been dealing with ups and downs and they think it's bi-polar II, which is something that runs in my family, but it's so hard when I have the downs.  I just don't, can't deal and I feel so bad.

      I don't quite know what I need to do to let my husband realize what I need from him and vice versa.  We can have conversations and I think it's been dealt with a bit and we go right back.  It's not going to change overnight, he really has to stop resenting our daughter for merely being here for one thing and we are both only children.  We are used to having so much time to ourselves and we just don't get it.  I think that has something to do with it as well.

      And yes, sleep deprivation brings out the worst and the best.  It's strange isn't it?  My husband didn't want me to quit breastfeeding so he wouldn't have to feed her.  I'm serious.

      But thank you for the kind words, I will be sure to keep everyone updated and hopefully post some positive things as well, to share the triumphs too!  I'm just glad to have found such a great environment, something I Haven't found in a while.

      • I'm just so sorry (0 / 0)

        that on top of your depression you are dealing with someone who doesn't take it seriously and doesn't help.  I know when I'm depressed, one of my major symptoms is guilt. The other thing is lack of motivation; I just can't bother to do much of anything (which makes me feel guilty...).  Even though my partner isn't dismissive or contemptuous towards me, when I'm depressed I sometimes feel like he's blaming me (since I'm already blaming myself).  If he were giving me a hard time, it would be so much worse.

        BTW, you also aren't the only MT with a DH who's a reluctant father that doesn't pitch in.

        You definitely have my sympathies.  Take good care.

  • I'll say it, too (0 / 0)

    if your child is loved by others, then you are doing a lot of things right!

    ((((big hugs))))

    • Thank you (0 / 0)

      That is one point I never thought about, that I must be doing something right because of those who love her so.  And I encourage it because I know she can never have TOO many people that love her.  I've had female friends as if I'm jealous when they do things with her (Like ask to put her to bed when she was younger etc.  I had a friend who used to hang out a lot with me when she was single and it saved my life basically) and I never got jealous.  When Charlotte wants her Daddy and not me, I don't feel jealous, just grateful she has a father she loves and who loves her.  I never had that, why would I be jealous, I want everything for her.

      Thanks again

      • I know what you mean! (0 / 0)

        My mom told me she was jealous of all the love and attention we'd give her mom (our grandma) when she came to visit. She said it hurt her that we just forgot we existed. DS does the same thing to me when he's with my mom and I couldn't be happier. He's even said, "I can't wait for you to leave so I can be alone with Nana." Good! You read him the stories tonight! I'm going to watch The Biggest Loser! I see nothing but upside. It's odd, but at the same time completely predictable knowing my mom, that she would get jealous of kids' love for their grandma.

  • I applaud all the comments (0 / 0)

    above and send you my heartfelt mother and fellow person love.  I ache for you.  As I read your diary though, what shines through it all is your strength.  You may not be feeling it, but boy are you ever!  What an amazing person you are. I hope you keep this MTer community posted as to how you are doing.  There is a certain safety net here for you to vent and get loving and very heartfelt feedback.

    • Thank you (0 / 0)

      I feel bad that I am not commenting back sooner but I want to take the time and really soak in all the amazing encouragement and support, I'm overwhelmed.

      And thank you, As a child of an alcoholic you tend to focus on all the things you do wrong or can't do and forget to look at the good things.  It's a level of self criticalness that is beyond damaging.  I do say though, I tend to have so much patience for others and the ability to forgive people so many transgressions, I have to remind myself that I deserve the same care.  Funny isn't it when we extend so much to others and cannot do that for ourselves.

      This is why mother friends are important, they remind you to take care of YOU.  Thanks.

      • My parents (0 / 0)

        had issues with alcohol too.  My Dad used to say "I'm going to cloud up and rain all over you" in a voice that sounded like thunder.  The more he drank, the louder he became.  We tried mostly to stay out of his way.  Even when he wasn't actively drinking (meaning when he woke up, but before the evening hours), I believe alcohol was still guiding much of his life.  I think alcohol influenced him every single day - and never in a good way.

        The ironic thing for me is somehow I came away from my childhood as still feeling loved by both of my parents.  I don't really understand how that happened, but it did.

        Anyway, I'm glad to read your comment above.  Don't worry about not commenting back fast...I too love to mull over ideas and thoughts and often can't check this blog every day even though I love to log on and read what's happening for the MTers.  

        As a good friend of mine who has just had a bone marrow transplant and a year of chemo related experiences says - One foot in front of the other...

  • I'm gonna judge you too (0 / 0)

    You're amazing.  For coming through so much and for sharing it with us like this.

    Like the smart ladies say,

    1. We've all been there.
    1. You're not alone.
    1. You're doing NOTHING wrong.

    also,

    1. You're doing a lot right
    1. Sounds like you've got an amazing kid
    1. Doing things right doesn't necessarily make life any easier.  Dammit.

    There's a lot in your post.  The one thing that struck me in the first part is peeing in the hospital.  I had a really hard time with that, and still do some days (Kegel, Kegel, Kegel, gah!) and it was so humiliating.  My life was out of control and I couldn't even control whether I peed on the floor!  I can't believe after surgery they didn't look out for you better.

    • I'm going to thank you too (0 / 0)

      Another lovely comment and dose of encouragement, I'm overwhelmed and grateful for this.  

      And she is a great kid, she's passionate which means she doesn't do anything a little bit, which is a handful but I know this is what is going to make her a great adult.  She loves freely and openly and I just support that and hope to encourage all those lovely things she has inside her, I'm just on the journey with her.  I'm blessed to know her and when you are so close with someone, anyone, they can annoy you.  I think we forget that and think that we have to love everything about our kids.  Not possible.

      But I love her because of those things, not in spite and I Have to remind myself this.

      Thank you again.

      Oh as for the peeing, I never had that issue prior, I think something happened with the c-section because it was like I just lost the ability to hold it.  After a month or so of kegels and just gaining some strength back to the muscles, it was better.  Still scary though :)

  • More support and hugs (0 / 0)

    I agree with Cynmill that your hospital could have made at least the labor part a lot less traumatic.  Your labor sounds a lot like mine, except mine didn't feel as emotionally traumatic because I was treated with kindness and respect.  

    There is no reason for anybody to judge you, so I don't think any of us feel like saints if we haven't done so.  You're a loving mother, you adore your daughter and you're making all the best decisions you can.  It feels humbling (and I think it happens to all of us, or at least it does to me) when you realize that you have no clue how to do something that you think should come  naturally.  It doesn't necessarily come naturally.  None of us automatically know everything.

    I've always struggled with depression, and it makes everything so much more difficult.  I wish I knew how to cure it.

    • Thank you (0 / 0)

      I keep blaming myself, that maybe I wasn't clear enough.  But this seems to be my issue, it's like no one trusts me with my own body.  I keep saying some thing's not right, I don't feel right and they run tests and they patronize and they blame my weight and turn me away with, you're healthy.  

      An you've made such a true statement, it doesn't come naturally to some and that's part of my issue with the perception of modern motherhood.  That it should just come naturally, it doesn't, so I think women judge and they are snarky because they feel they have to portray some perfect and impossible stepford wife image.  It's not possible and it's like we've set women to fail as mothers because the ideal is not possible.

      I've felt this need to crusade for all mothers and let them know that it's okay, none of us have everything right and it's hard!  

      As for the depression, we cope, we do our best and we try to build a support system.  I just don't feel like I have that.  It's hard.

      • So ridiculous (0 / 0)

        most aspects of parenthood never came naturally.  But we were once able to rely on a community of experienced women, often in the extended family, who'd been through it a zillion times.  I think this community functions a lot like that.  We may not each have seven sisters with five kids each, but hey, we've got tjb22.  <g>

  • Dealing with children while having serious (0 / 0)

    health problems is a challenge, to say the least.  Working away from home on top of that is a feat that borders on miraculous.  

    I've done it both ways.  I had a houseful of kids when I was well.  Then I had my last two.  After the last one, I was so sick I literally could not function.  Even when I became somewhat functional again, everything was so much harder...I kept expecting myself to be the same person I had been before.  I pushed and pushed.  Deep down, I wanted to be that person who dealt with all of it and still managed to be as productive as a "normal" person.  Other people might have accepted excuses from me, but I couldn't accept my own excuses...I was supposed to be super-woman...what applied to other mere mortals didn't apply to me.

    When my youngest daughter was about four, everything came crashing down again.  My health deteriorated rapidly.  Even still, I wouldn't let up.  Still kept the same expectations of myself.  Well, gradually, I learned that I was doing no one any favors.  Don't get me wrong...its something I still struggle with.  I feel guilty a good part of the time, and a real part of me believes that I could just do it all again, if I really wanted to.  

    You are dealing with real challenges...take it easy on yourself.  Realize you might have a harder time managing.  That's ok.  That you're managing at all is quite an accomplishment.  Sure, its hard...but its not because you're doing anything wrong.  Its hard because you're facing challenges that many others aren't.  

    • I don't think (0 / 0)

      many recognize my issues as real problems because they've dragged on for so long.  I'm always tired.  But the thing is, I don't bring it to work, no one knows but a few close friends and I try to be easy to work with and it's helped, just smiling and remember that I'm blessed to even be employed.

      I think the constant doubt of others about how I feel has worsened my depression and the battles with the doctors also doesn't help.  It's maddening and it makes me crazy and to know that so many women have to struggle like this while they try to be mothers, workers, friends etc. it's a crime.  The health system fails these women who give so much and take so little for themselves.  

      It's sad that we have to remind ourselves to care for us.  To take the time for me.  The fact that I have to be for it makes it hard.  So I steal the time.  I told my husband that I Just need some time to myself and he said "I guess you shouldn't have gotten married and had a child."  It's wrong!  He has half days and a whole day to himself on Friday and he takes it for granted, why don't I get that?

      Yes, I'm bitter and I'm feeling better so now I'm angry :)

      Thank you though, thank you so much for your words, I have to remember this.  I'm the kind of person who always thinks there are those who are much worse off than I am so why can't I do better?  I know I'm blessed to have the things I Have so why can't I be happy?  That's the frustration.

      So thanks again, this has meant a great deal to me that this awesome women have taken then time out of their day to listen and to care.  It's a beautiful thing to me.

      • Yes, most people don't understand (0 / 0)

        chronic illness.  And the fact is that more people than ever are out there living with illnesses that drastically effect their day to day lives.  Couple this  lack of understanding with the tendency that we women have to all be "super women" and somewhere, there's going to be problems.  

        I am lucky.  I don't have to work, and my husband is very understanding of my illness.  It took him awhile, and quite frankly, to fully "get it", it took him talking to doctors and other people who have the same illness I have.  It started to click with him then.  Personally, I've found it very rewarding to work with support groups that help others who have illnesses that are like mine.  Believe it or not, it does help to know that there are others who feel much like you feel and that you aren't the only one who's finding your situation to be a challenge.  It goes along way in dealing with the guilt.

        And you know, I am happy...ofcourse, I have never had to deal with depression, but I'm fairly happy because I realize that things could be worse.  I suppose I have also got that magical "acceptance", but to tell you the truth, that's something you have to work on pretty regularly, too.  And yeah, we all live in denial a little bit, too.  And that's ok.  Whatever it takes to get you through.

        Ah...the medical system.  One of my issues, too.  Thankfully, I'm fairly lucky in that regard, too, right now.  I do have good doctors, but honestly, having to deal too much with the system could make me crazy.  I think my doctors don't want me showing up at their office with a weapon, therefore they tend to cut me a little slack, LOL.  However, again, I'm lucky...I don't have to worry about working and I actually have a lot of help at home.  And my kids are older...my youngest is now 12.  I do remember how hard it was when I was so sick and my kids were little.  Frankly, I don't know how I made it through...but, I did...and you will, too.

        • Oh (0 / 0)

          I will make it :)  It's just sad when carrying your four year old upstairs makes you worn out.  It's not who I'm used to being.

          But I keep trying, because you know what, nothing gets done at all if I stop trying.  I'm tenacious, but I do have to stop every now and again and stomp my feet a bit to get it out of my system.

          I will look into a support group, I think that would be helpful.

      • Kid Sparky (0 / 0)

        is available to smack your husband with a foam rubber pirate sword.  I think he could use it.

        It is a fact that you will have less time to yourself than you did before kids, but you can't survive on none.  Have you done any marriage counseling?  You can't make him like to help, I suppose, but he needs to step up and do it.

        Depression makes you tired.  Well, for a lot of people.    And often simultaneously feel like I shouldn't be allowed to rest cause I haven't accomplished enough.  It becomes a vicious cycle, and it's so hard to explain, even to people who want to be supportive.

  • Wow. (0 / 0)

    Aside from the DH drama, you and I have the same kid...wow.

    You need a hug, a rest and a massage.

  • Chiming In! (0 / 0)

    Not much new to say, but I don't think you can hear it often enough--you are not alone, we've all been there, and you're doing nothing wrong!!!!!  Hope you can get some peace, calm, rest and breathing space pretty soon.  That massage sounds like a great idea!  Take care of yourself and be proud of all you do.

    • Thank you (0 / 0)

      your chime is welcome and all the comments have been appreciated.  I don't know enough mothers well enough to discuss these kinds of issues so it's easy to feel isolated.  This was a great help for me to remember that I am not alone.

    • I'll second this! (0 / 0)

      Hugs...

      One of the things I love about MTers is that this such a great place to find advice, support, and have a lot of laughs.

      Parenting is never as easy it looks. And those who look like they've got it together are faking it! LOL! My neighbors have 2 year twins and really look like they've got a handle on the whole parenting thing. I told the Dad that and he just laughed, and said, "hey, its whatever gets you through the day!" and then went on to tell me about how they we no longer napping and refused to go to bed at night.

  • late to this but WOW! (0 / 0)

    firstly, what a brave diary.  i am humbled by your honesty and putting it out there.  and gloria, if you were near by i woulda kissed you. ALL the comments are touching and beautiful.  what a wonderful group of women MT has gathered.

    i can only echo what all have said.  it will get better and it sounds like you are doing a fine job.

    • Not late, just in time (0 / 0)

      Thank you.  The more I think about this diary the more I think it's important.  I hear a lot of women talk about all the good things, how much they love it and how great it is, but I hardly hear the negative.  It doesn't make being a parent any less rewarding but sometimes we need to hear we aren't alone in these struggles.

      Maybe it's time more come out and talk about their experiences.  

      • you are so right... (0 / 0)

        motherhood is this sainted and holy arena that rarely we see anyone tread into with muddy boots. again, i was humbled by your diary and gladdened by all the "yup, been there and with you" comments.  

        motherhood is not for the faint hearted and talking about the complex waves of emotion BOTH positive and troublesome is a good thing.

        • It's called being human (0 / 0)

          And by embracing that, loving ourselves for every flaw and living it as an example that flawed human beings are all of us we don't set our children up with a sense of dread.  I mean, no one is perfect, it's not a reasonable goal to set for ourselves or our families.  The more I think about it, the more I realize that I am helping my daughter by being honest about my foibles, that they show her that mistakes are okay, it's how we handle and ourselves.

          Mothers are human beings and come with all the beautiful flaws.  Thank GOD.

  • Late too (0 / 0)

    One thing that came to mind when I read your diary was that I wish I could come out and take care of YOU, because that is what seems to be missing- you need some TLC stat! There's a lot building up with you- too many factors weighing you down, and you can't fix things around yourself until you've taken care of yourself and that's something a lot of moms forget about. It might feel selfish at times, but I think of it like this- DH and I are the heart of the family, regardless of how many kids / pets/ loans etc. are weighing us down. When the heart don't work, the blood don't flow and everyone gets sick.

    I hope that you and DH can make it work together, but you need to reclaim your own health. The rest will follow.

    • I wish you could too (0 / 0)

      Aw, that's very sweet.  It's really hard when I'm so tired and I think I can't do it and then I go through periods where I'm mowing the lawn, doing laundry, going to work and taking care of it all and I feel great.  

      I wish I could take care of me too, but I'm working on it.  My daughter has gotten to be so difficult that I'm tired before I even can get to the good part, it's all fight.  It wears me out :)

      Thanks for your comment though, it's a appreciated and it's more than enough care from someone who doesn't know me, it's a lovely way to encourage.

      Thanks again.

  • And even later (0 / 0)

    Wow... you have had a lot to deal with and even before you became a mother!  My hat's off to you for making it work.  I too had a damaged father, but my mom was okay.  I often wonder about kids who come from families who have both parents with issues.  I can't even imagine.  It definitely affected the person I became.  I've had to work through some emotional stuff as well.  

    I have a midwife friend who is convinced that labor and birth are about letting go.  She says that women who were abused or have emotional issues often don't labor well.  That was me too.  I wonder if that effected our labors somehow.  I always envied those who had the dream homebirth.  I never got that, but I've made peace with it.  I have two great kids now and that's all that matters.

    My youngest is four now and let me tell you... four can be a royal pain!  It can also be wonderful too.  My son was challenging at this age too.  2 and 3 were easy for us.  4, is a different story.  My son is so easygoing now at 7 1/2... so I'm hoping my daughter will get there too.  And, BTW... he went through a period at that age when he refused to poop in the potty too.  In fact, he began to resist the urge and retain it.  We even took him to the doctor to make an impression on him.  I know all kids are different, but I think they get easier when they get older.  Well, that is until the teen years...but that's a whole different set of challenges!

    I agree with others that have posted that getting help from your partner is critical for you.  You can't do all of this alone.  His DNA went in to making her too and he has just as much responsibility and obligation to take care of her as you do.  I hope he can see that soon.  You need help from him and a much needed break.

    Hugs to you from rainy Ohio!

    "If it's not Scottish, it's crap!" ~Mike Meyers

    by 1plain1peanut on Thu Sep 27, 2007 at 09:58:52 AM PDT

    • Awww, I don't know about that (0 / 0)

      This sounds very much like blame, or judgement at the very least. And something that is not supported by any research at all:

      She says that women who were abused or have emotional issues often don't labor well.

      Intuitive feelings about labor are great, but I am just not a fan of these kinds of huge statements.

      I have friends of all stripes here: labored "well", labored "not well", difficult labors, easy labors, and damned if can find any pattern in anybody's emotional health. I would even say that a (former) friend with the textbook nonmedicated labor is controlling, a bit OCD, not very warm, and overly competitive. My friend with her perfect home water births struggles with perfectionism, body image stuff, being a bit too competitive and the same family stuff we all have.

      RachelD

      • Well... (0 / 0)

        I don't know if I completely buy into it either, but it is thought provoking.  My midwife friend is just going on her personal experience with the women she has helped birth babies.  

        Also, usually... when you get a doula or midwife through the center I used, they ask you about your personal history... including mental health and especially, sexual abuse.  According to my midwife friend, it can impact a woman's birth experience and how she handles labor.  

        "If it's not Scottish, it's crap!" ~Mike Meyers

        by 1plain1peanut on Thu Sep 27, 2007 at 06:07:24 PM PDT

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        • Yes, thought provoking ... (0 / 0)

          In fact, I'm still thinking about it, and your new post.

          I'm thinking of a frame where certain experiences, like sexual abuse or depression, could make a difference in labor. Something like: labor is a time of great vulnerability, and those experiences (and others, even emotionally dysfunctional family) teach us what to expect, or not, when we are vulnerable.

          So it could very well affect how we feel about and react to our caregivers, our level fear and how we cope with it, and also our self-talk.

          Interesting.

          RachelD

          • Yes... (0 / 0)

            and in regards to breastfeeding too.  As a former LLL Leader, I was taught to recognize that some women may have trouble with breastfeeding for the same reasons...especially sexual abuse.  

            I don't think this comes from a place of judgement at all.  I think it's more coming from a place of wanting to help moms with unique circumstances.  My own midwife took a personal history on me and I was asked about my parents.  My father was an abusive alcoholic and that went down on my record.  I asked her why she needed to know this, and she said that it can impact the birth experience.  I was surprised to hear that, as I hadn't considered it before.  

            "If it's not Scottish, it's crap!" ~Mike Meyers

            by 1plain1peanut on Fri Sep 28, 2007 at 05:36:25 AM PDT

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      • I've thought that myself (0 / 0)

        That I was so tense and if I might have also had a doula it might have helped, someone there to help me relax.  But who knows.  I was not upset by the comment though.

        And part of me wondered if I was ready to be a mother and afraid that I would make the same mistakes my mother did, but there is no way, I'm not her.

        But I understand your concern when people make sweeping generalizations.  

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