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Meet the Grandparents

Wed May 02, 2007 at 09:07:11 AM PDT

Round peg inna square hole's diary about Rory's haircut got me thinking about my own DS's relationship with his grandparents.  It's hardly "The Waltons" around here (and yes, I'm dating myself with that reference -- maybe because I saw Richard Thomas this weekend).  We don't have problems with grandparental interference, but that's mostly because we don't have grandparents, at least not in a functional sense.

On his dad's side, DS has no living grandfather (though he's a namesake) and a 96 year old grandmother.  She lives nearby and is in daily contact with DH.  DS sees her about once a week, usually for a meal at her senior living facility.  She is preoccupied with her own issues most of the time and although she loves him and occasionally seems to notice when he's around, I wouldn't say there's a lot of give and take there.  She does complain about his long, messy hair, but then so do I :-)

On my side, there's my mom and stepdad, who live out of state.  I love talking to my mom on the phone.  Sometimes my stepdad is on the extension when we talk, and occasionally DS will get on the phone to say hi, but they rarely have conversations.  We only see them about once a year, when they come out in their motor home for a long stay (did I say long?), most of which they spend at my brother's house.  We don't actually see much of them when they're visiting this way, because of The Dogs.  The Dogs can't be left alone for more than a couple of hours, according to my mom, and by the time they drive to meet up with us, half their time is over.  We would go visit them at their motor home (or at their lovely, spacious home), but we can't because of The Dogs.

They have two boxers, one of whom is aggressive.  My mother refuses to admit that her dog is dangerous, or to properly confine him.  I'm not afraid of this dog for myself, but he has lunged at and nipped DS on several occasions.  The dog does this with all the grandchildren, which has really put a damper on visits with Grandma and Grandpa for all 8 of them.  They have a 2.5 year old grandson less than a mile down the street from them, and I think our son gets to spend as much time with them as their local treasure.

Weird?  I think so.

But maybe not as weird as my bio father.  He does not reliably acknowledge me, much less DS, at family gatherings at my brother's house.  One Thanksgiving he'll make a point of sharing the piano bench with DS for a little tickling of the ivories, and then two 4th of July's will pass by without so much as a "How's it going?"  DS seems to have grokked early that "Grandpa Lanny" is... strange.  He rolls with it.

The most important grandparent figure in DS's life is his former babysitter.  She is the one who has come with us on short train trips, to the zoo, to dinner.  She's the one who comes to his plays, and, when she moved to Hawaii, hosted him generously for a week.  She is the one who has gone to the bank every time a new state quarter comes out and makes sure he gets a bright shiny new one.  She is the one who plays Monopoly for hours, who laughed along with every Muppets tape, and glided him around the swimming pool when he was afraid to put his face in the water.  She helped potty-train him, and always kissed his boo-boos.  She bought Cactus Coolers by the case just for him.  She is a true Grandma, in my eyes, and I feel so fortunate she's part of our lives.  (And she has moved back, so she's less than an hour away!)

So MTers, do your children have grandparents?  Are they a blessing, a curse, or something in between?

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  • Not ideal (0 / 0)

    Addiction has deprived us of grandomothers.  After some really atrocious behavior, we stopped visiting with one of the grandmothers.  The other was very nice, but not very aware, when we visited before she died.  

    On the other hand, my kids have a terrific Aunt, so we've got it pretty good.

  • My kids have... (0 / 0)

    One grandparent within 3000 miles - my mother who lives an hour away, so we see her every few weeks and they enjoy each other.  That's nice.  She is not up to doing much babysitting though.  I envy other people whose parents take their kids often in the evenings or for weekends, or sometimes even longer.

    My dad and stepmother, and my husband's parents, (not to mention all the aunts and uncles) all live on the opposite coast (or in the case of my sister even farther away, overseas), so they see our kids once a year or less.  Basically almost no relationship there; my kids have essentially forgotten them by the time they get to see them again.

  • Gosh... (0 / 0)

    Well.  The in-laws.  Always some friction there...they just really didn't "get" me.  Very conservative.  My late mother in law meant well, I will give her that, however, he way of doing things was just so different than mine that at times, it was very confusing for our children to spend any amount of extended time with them.  My father in law is a piece of work who, quite frankly, was abusive in one form or another to my mother in law their whole married life.  As long as we lived near them, we could not get along.  Constant battles.  After we moved a couple of hours away, things improved.  My kids would go spend a week or so with my inlaws each year as my mother in law truly wanted this.  Overall, I'm glad they did and she really did love them and they loved her.  Usually they had a good time, but at times, my father in law was very manipulitive and literally tried to undermine my husband and I to our children.  Not good.  Therefore, after my kids had spent time with them, I often had to spend an equal amount of time deprogramming them when they returned home.

    There was also a different value system...my mother in law was very religious.  One time she called me very upset and crying because my father in law had said in passing that sometimes he "didn't believe in God".  Sadly, on my son's last visit with her shortly before she had what turned out to be a lethal stroke, she started in on him about going to church.  Really took it out on him that my husband and I had not "raised" them in church, blah, blah, blah, but going on and on about how it wasn't too late for him and she should start doing so immediately, blah, blah, blah...again, the idea that one can't possibly be moral or ethical without the guidance of a formal religion.  My son listened, gave his side, and left without continuing the argument.  A lot of respect for him...but again, just so sad as this turned out to be his last visit with his grandmother.

    My mother in law passed away almost two years ago.  We rarely see or speak to my father in law.  His favorite past time these days is to try to manipulate family members through his will.  Just not going to play that game or let my children be used in his pursuit of it.

    My parents.  I don't know.  We moved a couple of hours away.  My mom calls once a week, and we visit each other on holidays, etc.  We've managed to have a good relationship on most levels because my parents understood that their role was that of grandparents, and not parents.  At times I think it would have been nice if my kids could have grown up with them living closer and developed the kind of relationship with them that can only happen when families live near each other...but what can you do?  We had to move to where was best for us.  Anyway, my parents get to be the "fun" kind of grandparents who spoil the kids when they see them because they AREN'T seeing them every day.  There is good in that, too...although I often have to remind my kids that it was very different when I was a kid and LIVED with them!

  • good point: (0 / 0)

    At times I think it would have been nice if my kids could have grown up with them living closer and developed the kind of relationship with them that can only happen when families live near each other

    I think it was the dailiness of DS's interactions with his babysitter, as well as her truly grandmotherly nature, that makes their relationship so special.  

    She hasn't been his babysitter in a long time, but that loving connection remains.  He knows there's someone out there who loves him a lot.  After her husband died suddenly, DS gave her a stuffed bear.  She still keeps that thing on her couch. Meanwhile, my mom crocheted him a beautiful throw blanket.  He's respectful of it, but it's not imbued with that love like a true comfort object.

    • As your son grows up, (0 / 0)

      it will be interesting to see if he or his grandparents are interested in furthering or maintaining their relationship.  As my oldest children became adults, I have to admit that I have been happy to see them take charge of their own relationships with their grandparents.  Maybe as adults, its just easier to maintain longer distance relationships.

      I have to admit being a little torn and confused over this issue myself.  When I was a child, I had one set of grandparents who lived 600 miles away, and another that lived with us, in our home.  I had very special relationships with both sets of grandparents...they were just different kinds of relationships.  If I had to, I couldn't tell you which way was "best"...both were unique and I enjoyed the best aspects of both, I suppose, while not being overly effected by the negatives.

  • We have a few (0 / 0)

    There's DH's parents, who LOVE, LOVE, LOVE dd, but don't really like me, and want to be in charge of everything.  Until this last week, I'd have said nearly PERFECT grandparents, and the ones she spends the most time with.

    My mother is in LOVE with my daughter, but we're not a particularly close family (we talk on the phone and all, but more than a few visits a year seems odd to both of us).  However, the main reason she doesn't spend too much time with dd is: The husband.

    My mother's husband (they've been married for 25 years) is my bio-dad.  He is, however, a total dick.  He and my mom love each other, and until I was 12, he was my favorite person in the world.  Then, I made friends outside of him.  He hasn't really gotten over that.  At 15, I met DH, and we started dating.  Over email, we discussed sex (the when, where, why).

    The thing to note here is that our conversations were summed up this way: I will not be having sex with you until/if we gt married.  No joke.  That's what I told him at 15, at 16, at 17, at 18...until he married me at 19.  DH was a 22 year old virgin when we wed (though I SWEAR I've made up for it since LOL).  It was important to me, and DH respected that.

    My dad, however, only was able to see a discussion of sex.  So, since DH was 18 then, he threatened to call the cops, told us we were never allowed to see each other again, etc.  A year later, he threw me out of the house.  Yes, MTers, I got kicked out for the sex I WASN'T having.

    That was nearly 7 years ago.  Hasn't spoken to either or us since...spent a few years denying I existed.  He's been around dd once (mom invited us over for Xmas dinner despite his protests) but he never even looked at her.  Doesn't want to.  Says he feels "pressured" to be a grandfather (she's his only, and ours will be his only grandkids, at least for a LONG time).  Hell, no, dude.  You can just pass right the hell on by.

    Anyway, it makes it difficult since he and my mom live together, so she never gets to have dd at her house, or keep her overnight, and always has to come visit us at the IL's house (about 2 miles from her).

    Any suggestions on how to explain "the grumpy man at Nana's house" to DD?

    Anyway, dd also has my mom's mom (92) who recognizes her and loves her to death (her only great grand kid, and the only she'll have before she dies (it'll be this summer, it's assumed)).

    FIL's parents are also alive (and only in their 80's) and they see her a few times a year (we have to travel to SOCal and then another hour or so to see them).  They love her to bits.  I figure she's got enough grandparents to balance out the one @-hole.

  • sounds like she's got plenty (0 / 0)

    Your dad and mine sound similar in some ways.  I adored him until puberty hit and then he got weird.  I sure as hell didn't understand it at the time, and I'm not even sure I understand it now.  I did tell him at one point (age 18) that I couldn't be in a relationship with him because he boomeranged between being a "best friend" type, and despising me (silent treatment) for unknown offenses.  The first couple of times it happened I was devastated.  He was not interested in changing that dynamic, I wasn't interested in playing the odds, and here we are.  

    I am sympathetic to his plight of not knowing how to act (and no, I don't mean that to sound snarky), and sometimes we have perfectly good conversations.  However, there is less intimacy in our relationship than in the one I have with my Republican neighbor.  I'm very guarded with him.  And to this day I cannot predict his behavior.  He doesn't have significant relationships with his other grandchildren, either.  When they are a bit older I imagine the cousins will all shake their heads and share "Grandpa Lanny" stories.

    Where did you go when you kicked out for being a virgin?

    • well, I'm glad it's not just me (0 / 0)

      However, since my dad decided to have NO contact with us, he doesn't get to have any with my daughter, either.  I mean, why would I let my kid be around someone who despises both myself and DH?

      The hard part has actually been my father's family.  His mother told me that since he'd disowned me I was no longer her granddaughter, so she's lost her dd priveledges as well.  I'm sad that we've lost that whole side of the family over dad, but they refused to come to the wedding and everything, so, eh.

      What do you mean, uh-oh? Toddler & baby pictures

      by round peg inna square hole on Fri May 04, 2007 at 07:12:36 AM PDT

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  • more grandparents than (0 / 0)

    carter's has pills!  dd has:
    *my mom and stepfather who live with us
    *my husbands parents who live nearby and treat her like one of their own

    • her paternal grandmother who lives far away but adores her and they talk weekly, grandfather died 2 years ago. dd is her only grandchild.
    • my father and stepmother who live 5 hours away and she sees regularly.

    my ex's mother is a fundie right winger. however, she's a smart woman just a bit screwed up from what i sense was a perfectly awful childhood.  i have supported the relationship depsite our fundamentally different views.

    i adored my own paternal grandmother, though my mother hated her. btw, this grandmother also gave me my first haircut while babysitting me.  my FATHER was the one who blew a gasket!  but as a child, i didn't know she was difficult. she was the only grandparent in my life.  i adored her and she me.  

    thankful for all my dd's grandparents. again, i love the sense of history, the diffent level of love and just being exposed to older folks this provides my dd.

  • There's distance, then there's distance (0 / 0)

    I've enjoyed reading about everyone's gp situations. One thing that jumped out at me was this:

    At times I think it would have been nice if my kids could have grown up with them living closer and developed the kind of relationship with them that can only happen when families live near each other

    DH's parents (still married) live 25-30 minutes away. We live in a "far western" suburb, they live in a "near western" suburb. DH's mom complains that she has to drive "all the way out there" to see us. I have pointed out to her that my own mother, who lives 800+ miles away, would love to have us only 20 miles away. But whatever. DH's family is fully functional but they never talk. They only get together on holidays. And no one lives more than 30 minutes away from anyone else. DH's mom will go for months without calling and won't return DH's calls unless she has a computer-related question for him. DH feels hurt that she takes so little interest in our grandson's life. She does babysit periodically and is awesome about watching our dogs when we go out of town. So she scores major points for that. But she is remarkably uninterested in her grandson. She's a kindergarten teacher and tends to approach each interaction with her grandsons (there's 3, total) as an evaluation. Drives us crazy. She sees him and immediately starts quizzing him on his alphabet, colors, numbers, you name it. On Christmas he drew her an amazing picture, the best he'd ever drawn, with recognizable objects and everything, and proudly presented it to her. She said, "The tree needs more green. Go back and put more green on it." Seriously, not one "Good job!" Just: "Go back and put more green on it." She's hypercritical (a trait DH tends to share but not to the extent) but fortunately for ME, tends to save her harshest judgments for her own daughter. Nonetheless, DS seems to tolerate her fine and she is a good babysitter, the couple times a year she's available.

    My mom and stepdad live, as I said, 800+ miles away. We see them 2-4 times per year. My mother adores DS and he adores her. When she arrives, he runs to her and says "Nana!!!" and gives her a huge hug, which he never does for DH's mom. The love is pure and runs both ways. My mom is always sending DS packages, asking me ahead of time what he likes and needs. He talks to her on the phone when I call her. I am always reminded that whatever my relationship is with my mom, I will not let it affect the joy and love she brings to my son's life. My stepdad, or Papa to DS, is affectionate and nuturing to DS. He especially likes that DS is getting old enough to play sports with. As we are sorely lacking sportsmen in my family, I appreciate this a  lot.

    My own father? He visits once a year maybe, takes only a passing interest in DS, and generally exists on the fringes of our lives. DS immediately picked up on this and never calls him Grandpa. He simply refers to him as "your dad" (to me). Which is funny, because he started doing that when he was only 3, and I never really laid out the familial relationships to him. I'm rather interested in seeing whether my dad remembers DS's bday (next week) this year at all.

    • sounds familiar (0 / 0)

      my MIL is also remarkably uninterested in our daughter. All her other grandkids live 3,000 miles away. When I was pregnant, she was so excited about having a grandchild close by, then I gave birth, and the interest waned and now it seems all but dead.

      If we want to see her, we have to call, arrange a time that is convenient for her, then go to her house. Never the other way around. She also has Rottweiler who growls and is very possessive of her husband, so we asked that she please put the dog outside or in another room while we were over with our daughter. Lately, she has decided that's too much trouble, so she has opted to meet us at a park or a restaurant.

      She also insists that my daughter looks EXACTLY like me...even though 99.9 percent of people think she looks just like her daddy.

      It bugs her that we're teaching DD Spanish. She makes it a point to talk very loudly and slowly to DD in English, even when we ask her to use the simple Spaish word. She seems to think DD will never learn English and be affected in school. I like to point out that Spanish was my first language, and now I make a living as a writer. I'd venture to say that my English is better than hers.

      OK, I'll stop now! I try to remember that she raised my husband, and part of his wonderfulness is due to her. But man, she is a strange bird.

      • sounds like my mom (0 / 0)

        My mom and dad live about 1 1/2 hours away... love DD but almost never make time to see her, so it's up to us to make the arrangements and go out there to facilitate it. They have, once or twice, come to our house but it's been a wierdly quick turnaround... no more than an hour visit.

        Contrast to the in-laws, who live 800 miles away and come over EVERY OTHER MONTH for FIVE DAYS. It drives me completely batty. They are true republican fundies and if it wasn't for the extreme amounts of love they give DH and DD I'd probably put the smack-down on it, but they're quite good at the manipulation and given my new rule (when DH parents visit he must cancel gigs and be free nights and allow me to hide in the bedroom reading books), we have a truce.

        Isn't there a middle ground???

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        by thais on Fri May 04, 2007 at 08:14:40 AM PDT

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  • Disgustingly normal (0 / 0)

    LOL - sometimes I feel so odd at having a normal relationship with my parents.  My folks live about 3 1/2 hours away from us - if we go longer than 6 weeks in between visits, we feel deprived!  My dd was the only grandchild for 8 years, and is the only girl, so she has a particularly close relationship with my mom.  And my dad?  He acts like the she hung the moon!  They both are great with my DS too, and would do just about anything for either kid.

    My MIL is not "bad", she's just not involved.  She lives a bit further (6-8 hours), so visiting is hard, but she also makes no effort to call or see my kids.  She and my DH email regularly and talk on the phone weekly, but she never asks about her grandkids (he's an only child, they're her only gk's).  When we visit, she's happy to see them, but sorta clueless about how to interact with them.  My kids sorta just "get" that Gramma J is not as involved with them as their G & G.  We did spend last Christmas with her, which was nice, but DH made sure it was a short visit (guess he's not that wild to see her either).

  • Close (0 / 0)

    My parents were both from other countries, but I was surprisingly close to all of them.  

    Each summer we spent two weeks in my dad's country visiting his family, and one month in my mom's country.  Needless to say, those were our vacations and I still haven't been to Disney in my whole life.

    My children have three grandparents.  My dad died before our kids were born.  I have to say we have the best grandparents in the world.  They all live about an hour away.  I wish they were closer, but it's a good distance really.

    How nice that your babysitter is so interested in your son's life still, what an awesome lady she sounds like.

  • We have (0 / 0)

    one grandpa left, and a plethora of grandmothers due to alternative lifestyles and radical moves by both my mom and my husband's mom. We essentially have lesbian grandmothers on both sides of the family. When my dad died recently, we called the last grandpa and told him he needs to stay healthy to balance all the grandma power that the kids must contend with. He says he's the man for the job, and he is.

    Grandma power is good, extremely good, but grandpa power and influence and love is more subtle in our family, and therefore easy to overlook. I just wish we appreciated my dad more obviously when he was alive, by keeping in better touch and visiting more, but he knew we loved him. We even got to say goodbye, and he was happy in his last years, too. Those things are better than most can hope for one's parents.

    Now we need to make sure that we enjoy life, too, and on the days when that seems hard, I must remind myself that it's out of respect for him. He's a guy who enjoyed life in spite of getting a raw deal at so many points in his life.

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