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No-Thank-You-Note

Thu Mar 08, 2007 at 08:11:53 AM PDT

So I don't give gifts specifically for the thank you, but sometimes the lack of one really bugs me. Case in point, I sent someone a birthday gift over three weeks ago and have yet to receive so much as a quick e-mail thanking me. I'm a busy woman, working full time, raising a prechooler, running and whatnot, yet I can manage an e-mail right away, a phone call in a few days, and/or a thank you note in about two weeks' time. It's just rude not to acknowledge a gift.
I have what I think are the worst no-thank-you-note stories of any I've heard. Read on and try to top these:

Situation 1:
DH is asked to be in his high school best friend's wedding. DH has just gotten his first real "design" job so he is earning just slightly more than nothing, I am in law school and am earning almost exactly nothing at my clerkship. Nonetheless, DH wants to support his friend so we buy plane tickets to the state where the wedding is ($350), rent a car ($100), rent a tux ($100), buy two gifts at $50 each (one off the registry, one special handmade candle holder from an art show), and share the rent of a condo for our stay there ($150). We do this happily. Happily, that is, until MONTHS go by and there is no thank you note. Finally, over a YEAR later, his friend calls DH and asks for his address to send a note. No thank you note is ever received.

Situation #2: MIL throws bridal shower for her nephew's (DH's cousin's) bride-to-be. About a dozen relatives are invited, including me. I shell out $50 for a gift for this girl I've never met and will surely never see since they live two hours away and DH is not close to his cousin at all. No one from the shower receives a thank you note.

Situation #3: This involves the same cousins mentioned above. This time, it's their wedding. They live in a small town and invited the entire town through an ad in the local paper (her parents run the local bar and are thus well-known). The rest of us got invitations. They don't have a registry so we bought them a wet-dry hand vac and attached a gift receipt ($50). We drive 2.5 hours with our 12-week-old screaming child to sit through a 2.5 hour wedding ceremony, then we were off to a barn where we are fed the worst Minnesotan "cuisine" I've ever had (there was actually hot dish) and where we paid for two warmish cheap beers at the cash bar.  Of course, we received no thank you note. Instead, what these two pinnacles of class decided to do was send out a group newsletter three months later saying that they received "too many gifts to thank everyone individually" so they were sending a xeroxed newsletter instead.  Seriously. Too many gifts to be properly grateful to the people who spent their entire Saturdays driving to the middle of nowhere for a cash bar that only offered Miller. I can't believe one of the parents didn't come down and say "There is NO WAY you're doing that to MY side of the family. At least write a note to Grandma and Aunt and  . . ."

Anyway, these are my top three no-thank-you-note stories. If you have tales of ingratitude you'd like to share, please do so.

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  • We are (0 / 0)

    the worst "Thank You" note family in the world. Thank you for reminding me.
  • Bad at Thank You notes (0 / 0)

    Not that bad though, geeze, the showers and weddings were a priority for thank yous. I bought thank you notes for the birthday party coming up.

    I never know if you should send Christmas Thank you notes. Also, I was terrible with my Maid of Honor because she gave me so much stuff, I didn't send a bunch of Thank yous... just the one after the wedding because I thanked her in person for the shower stuff. When I was her Matron of Honor she sent me five different thank yous, one for every event, so now I know why she used to tease me about the lack of TY notes. I think she was actually hurt by that, wish I could make up for it now... maybe back date a few notes 5 years and run over them with my car so they look really old? :)

    • Blame the postal service! (0 / 0)

      I think that's one reason I find thank yous so important.  If I mail something, at least it lets me know that it actually got there.  My understanding that if you thank someone in person, there's no need to follow up with a note.

      That being said, I'm still waiting to hear from my nieces about their Christmas gifts.  I actually saw the 11-year-old last weekend and I opened the conversation with, "So, did you get the Christmas gifts we sent?"  The response: "Yes."  That's it!  I know it's her parents' fault she doesn't have very good manners, but you'd think at nearly 12, she'd be getting a clue.

      I'm close to not getting them anything any more if that's going to be their attitude.  DH says it's not fair because it's not their fault, so we shouldn't punish them.  Anyone have thoughts on this?

      • OH how many times have we had this squabble (0 / 0)

        DH's niece and nephew are for the most part good kids, but grateful? Not so much. We might get a phone call. This is in a family where we spend $50 or so on each of them and only $100 on each other for Christmas.

        So yeah, I'm a bit resentful. The fact that the most we get is a phone call is one thing - that the kids never send any gift to us or our kids  is another (their parents take care of that, though) - the fact that they need absolutely nothing, and our $50 iTunes gift card (or whatever) is a drop in the Christmas-bonanza ocean makes me really chafe every year.

        I keep saying we need to do a donation to a charity in their name (as I do for my side of the family) but DH says not only would the kids not get it, the parents would take it as a slight. Sigh.

        • I've posted before (0 / 0)

          But my darling nieces are the worst. So ungrateful. We bought them DVD players for the car 2 Christmases ago and the 9 year old actually frowned and tossed it aside. This year Grandma got them a game system that they NOW love to death but when they opened it? frowning and grumbling that they wouldn't play with it ever. WHATEVER kids. Now they can't stop talking about it.
          • such a hard one... (0 / 0)

            i have 2 nephews who were guilty guilty guilty, just like your nieces...but than their mother( and father) never insisted on them thanking anyone by letter or by phone, sometimes not even in person when there to present the gift. ARGH!

            i taught my dd even before she could read and write.  she sat with me while i wrote her thank you notes for gifts and involved her by asking her to identify what she liked about the gift.  she does write and send her thank you notes and YES i do have to remind her and ride herd to be sure it is done.

            i too have similar rule as stated before...no notes required of immediate family if they are present when giving the gift.  if not, a note is required.

    • Our rule is . . . (0 / 0)

      no thank yous necessary for Xmas gifts from immediate family members. No thanks yous to friends for our annual gift exchange. Thank yous to every other damn body for every other occasion (birthdays, showers, etc.).

      It's different when you are close to someone like an immediate family member or a close friend, versus a when you are a relative stranger called upon to give gifts to people you've never met and will hardly ever see. Strangers, for some reason, rank higher on my thank-you-note hierarchy than family-- perhaps because I have less opporunity to show my gratitude or return the favor.

      I am trying to get my son into the habit-- I make him make pictures for people (mainly my mom and sister) who send him care packages occasionally.

  • This reminds me (0 / 0)

    That  I need to send gift cards to my nieces, one of whom turned ten in February and the other who is turning ten this weekend.

    We're pretty conscientious about the big thank yous -- the wedding, the showers, the baby gifts. We do try very hard to get the boys to sit down with us to do thank yous to relatives at the very least for Christmas, Hanukkah and Birthdays.  Miles also now does birthday gift thanks to his schoolmates and friends as well.

    • oh good (0 / 0)

      I thought I was the only auntie who was ever late with niece birthdays.  My February niece has been on my mind (but I haven't done anything about it).  I hate being the family flake.
      • in my family .. (0 / 0)

        you'd be SO ON TOP OF IT!  this might be another diary...but geez, there are so many different views of who in family gets gifts.  i want a moratorium on sib gift at xmas and birthdays!  at 53 i have what i need and if you call me that's good enough...and even if you sometimes forget ...i'm ok, my husband and dd and i always celebrate.  here's one, my MIL gives me a bd gift...but not my husband!  my dh doesn't get a card or a gift...it is the weirdest thing ever.
        • Family gfts (0 / 0)

          We finally stopped the COUSINS gift exchange- I'm the oldest at 28- a year ago because hello, we aren't kids anymore! It's not a trip to the Toys R Us, and we killed it when my own mother suggested we switch to a "gift card exchange" which, hello, that's like trading money. Stupid. But it took us a full year to kill the whole thing and was very bitter.
  • Depends (0 / 0)

    The big thank yous are a must.  Weddings, showers.  

    Birthdays depends for me...if it's a small party and you saw the kid open the gift and you got some sort of acknowledgement, then if you don't send one, eh.

    Large b-day parties where you don't open at the party, thank yous are a must have.  Same with any gift that comes in the mail, because the person needs to know that it was received.

    If someone gives me a birthday gift, no party, and I open it in front of them, fawn over it and thank them, then I don't feel compelled to also send a thank you.  

    Christmas where everyone is exchanging, no thank yous.

    Here's an interesting story though...a couple I know, I know the guy actually, well, they divided up the thank yous for their wedding based on their guests.  I'm going to assume that she sent hers.  Well, the guy involved didn't send his to his side of the family and friends.

    Who do you think got raked over the coals for it?  The girl.

    • Funny... (0 / 0)

      My husband and I did the same thing. I knew that I'd  be the one to get in trouble for him not writing notes, so I wrote mine and then spent four months "reminding" (read nagging) him to write his, and then posting them for him. It would have been soooo much easier to just do it myself. Come to think of it, that pretty much set the tone for our marriage to date! (I am happily married...just bitter and grumpy tonight.)
      • Yep (0 / 0)

        Yep, I agree, sometimes it's easier just to do it yourself.  

        Same thing with housecleaning when you are entertaining...you're the one that is going to be judged for it when you have guests so you might as well make sure that everything is somewhat ok looking.

  • the good and bad of thank yous (0 / 0)

    I am strict with my son Tai when he receives something from the grandmothers or from friends for his birthday. I would say it runs 50% that his gifts to friends yield thank yous - not bad for 7 year olds.

    My bad experience was that my one brother has six kids and I used to remember every birthday and Christmas and never got a single thank you. By the time the last two came along, I sent gifts for awhile but just finally decided not to bother. They are all richer than me, have trust funds, and just don't care. They are in Texas, where some people still teach manners. Some have had babies and I have sent gifts for the babies and received thank yous, so I chalk it up to their mother and father not doing their job. It takes extra effort with my boy, but I feel I am teaching him something important. Nothing says "tacky" like an ungrateful wedding couple!

  • not a lack of thank you (0 / 0)

    But how it was sent is my tacky thank you story. Years ago, a friend I had grown up with and gone to church with got married. Our parents were friends from church as well. When she sent my mom and dad their thank you note, the whole note was written but then after "Dear" it was whited-out and my parents name written in! She had obviously written the thank you note, and then realized she'd put the wrong name at the top -- but instead of doing it over, she just whited out the wrong name and wrote in my mom and dad's name. And, no, this is not on the envelope, this is inside in the note itself!

    I thought that was pretty tacky. I guess not as tacky as not sending a note, but PULEEZE!

  • Big Pet Peeve (0 / 0)

    This is actually a big pet peeve of mine!  I too have been to weddings and showers and have received no acknowledgement of a gift.  

    I know they aren't a big deal, but to me kid's birthday parties should involve a thank you card.  I think it's a good learning experience for the child receiving a gift... that we say thank you.  And, now that my son is older and can write his own, he sends them for Xmas gifts and birthday gifts.  I think expressing gratitude for a gift is just good manners.

    "We are the music makers, and we are the dreamers of the dream..."

    by 1plain1peanut on Thu Mar 08, 2007 at 10:46:06 AM PDT

    • manners equal kindness (0 / 0)

      and if someone goes out of their way to think about, choose, wrap and send or give you a gift...than i can't think of any excuse for not thanking.  i hope this doesn't become one of those sweet little gestures that gets tossed to the wind due to "no time anymore".
    • I have not expected (0 / 0)

      thank you notes for wedding or housewarming gifts.  It's like the jealousy thing, I think; harder to be considerate when you wouldn't think the snub was rude.
  • Wow (0 / 0)

    Number 3 is just...wow.  The height of tackiness.  Even before a child can write, I think it's great that s/he can draw a picture and be told "This is a thank you to Grandma for the present.  She will be so happy to hear from you."  Kids love to do things to make people happy, so I think they will quickly get the message that thank you doesn't have to be a chore.  It can be fun, quick, and easy, and makes you feel good because it's the right thing to do.
  • Horror story from the other side (0 / 0)

    I come from a less educated, small town family where thank you cards are nonexistent. In college I picked up on the idea of thank you cards and have used the general rule that others have stated: always send one if the giver isn't present; always for parties, showers, weddings, etc.; others are situation specific.

    Here is my horror story. When we got married my FIL and his wife sent separate gifts-- sort of. In fact, it was a gift and a check and I really had no way of knowing that they were not both from both of them. Since I had not been raised writing thank yous, I bought a book explaining how to write them, etc. Sent a very nice card to the couple for both gifts. My FIL called to say that he shredded the card and that I needed to send two separate cards. No real explanation, just do it. I refused. To me there is a fine line here that involves the mismatch of expectations b/n the giver and the receiver.

    "We've GOT to make noises in greater amounts! So, open your mouth, lad! For every voice counts!"

    by progressiveinky on Thu Mar 08, 2007 at 12:06:32 PM PDT

    • that's downright unreasonable. (0 / 0)

      SHREDDED the card and demanded two separate ones? Sounds loony to me. Glad you took a stand and said no, that could have established a pattern of very illogical demands from the FIL.
      • No joke! (0 / 0)

        The kicker was that he then called my SIL and BIL and whined about my attitude (I was pretty angry and yelled at him about it) and that I refused to do this. I was later told that my BIL said he should take it up with his son (my DH) and maybe he would write the note. Fat chance on that! My DH is the absolute worst-- never written a thank you card in his life. Which is a whole other diary-- why it's the mother's responsibility like so many other things!

        "We've GOT to make noises in greater amounts! So, open your mouth, lad! For every voice counts!"

        by progressiveinky on Thu Mar 08, 2007 at 03:03:31 PM PDT

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  • top it? (0 / 0)

    Here goes:

    My best friend from high school got married, and turned into an unrecognizable version of Bridezilla (which continued to her baby shower, but that's another, well posted, thread. Suffice it to say that her shower invites specified registry, said to bring books along in addition to "build the baby's library" and during the party, there was a cash raffle to "establish the college fund"!). I was her matron of honor, and DH and I gave her a sizeable check as a present (in addition to flying two people from London, buying the dress and kicking in money for the happy couple's limo to the airport for the honeymoon. I still don't know what came over me to spring for that one.)

    No thank you note. For months. Six months later, we receive a note with a general "thank you for supporting us" message. Ok, all well and good, but no acknowledgement. In desperation, I e-mail to her if she actually got the check (thinking perhaps she hadn't found it with the others, etc., etc.). She said yes, and didn't we know because we would have seen the check stub in our bank statement. That, my friends, is as close an acknowledgement as I ever got. (PS: I'm still waiting on a bloody birth announcement for her daughter, for whom I once again sent a pretty nice birth present. The baby is now six months old. I give up on actually getting a thank-you card.)

    In my family, we are pretty hard-core on TY notes - Christmas, birthdays and definitely the special occasions. My mom's last Christmas present each year growing up was always the box of TY cards, as a gentle reminder of the responsibility. I defintely plan on instilling that in Jess.

  • I am terrible (0 / 0)

    I always mean to correspond, but I am forgetful and afraid.  And then I'm paralyzed by the guilt of not having done it already...
  • Thank you notes are the bane of my existence (0 / 0)

    I think I got my last wedding notes out about 9 months later. I'm pretty sure I got out all the baby ones, at least for people I didn't see. And I'm terrible at getting out the birthday ones--hit or miss. I'm glad DD's parties are down to 3 or 4 girls, DS is having his last "big" party this year (age 8).

    On top of this, I can't stand getting the notes from those clockwork people whose notes come in the mail 2 days after the event. I chuck those without even reading them because, really, how heartfelt could they be if they ran them all out the same day they had the party?? Or did they do them before the party?

    And another one: parents who put the thank you cards in the goodie bags. Talk about doing them before the party! Ugh!

    • i guess i am in between (0 / 0)

      cause the immediate thank you notes for every little thing is a bit excessive and makes you feel..well inadequate.  i simply ask my dd to be sure she calls immediate family...but for long distance relatives, i do think a written thank you note is kind.  i was grateful that my ex husband's aunt, who my dd never met, always sent her a xmas gift.  this great aunt always gets a thank you note...but then she was my favorite relative on my ex's side :)
    • Prompt thank you notes (0 / 0)

      I disagree that prompt thank-you's are not heartfelt. It's often easier to write them when the feelings of "how wonderful, how thoughtful" are still fresh. And I'll take a prompt thank-you over a non-existent one any day!

      Who puts thank-yous in the goodie bags?? That's as bad as the xeroxed mass newsletter thank-you!

  • Klassy with a capital K (0 / 0)

    What is wrong with people?  Everyone should he given a copy of Peggy Post when they are issued their birth certificate.  Mine is heavy, white and lovely.  "Don't make me hit you with it!"  

    Maybe it's the Southern girl in me, but I take Thank You note writing very seriously.  I even do it when someone has me and DH over for a dinner party.  I am also a sucker for precious stationary...  

    I will never remember your birthday until two days after, but I will send you a thank you note within days.  

    • Peggy Post? (0 / 0)

      Is that Emily Post's offspring?

      I hear you on TY notes - my mom is also a stickler for "bread and butter" notes after a house visit!

      • The Posts (0 / 0)

        Peggy Post is married to Emily Post's great grandson, and she updated the 16th Edition of Emily Post's Etiquette.  I have a 75th anniversary copy.  I'm clearly a big dork about it because the only thing I had to go look for on the book cover was the edition.  
  • You folks seem better at this than me: (0 / 0)

    Is it better to send a TY late than not at all? How late is too late?
    • send it (0 / 0)

      don't waste oodles of time and guilt on apologizing, just say that you wanted to acknowledge. Point out how useful/treasured the gift is. Spend the majority of the letter writing about life and asking about the recipient's life!

      Always better late than never.

  • cultural differences? (0 / 0)

    I'm a southern girl now living in Australia...where the thank you note is practically nonexistent (at least in Perth...Rachel? Do they still send notes in Melbourne?). You might get a note for a wedding gift. Otherwise, forget it. In fact, when I do my good little southern girl thing and send notes for birthday presents, I invariably get some comment about how "American" I am. Not meant in a nice way, believe me. I've just come through a big thank you note year (new baby, christening, christmas, two birthdays, big prize win in the family), and so far I've managed to get them all out (despite being made fun of at the family christmas for attempting to keep a written record of who gave what to my children). But, seeing as no one here apparently appreciates it, I'm pretty close to giving up! I do think it's a nice way of showing that you realize that the other person put effort and thought into getting something for you though...and I'd like my kids to learn that. But not if it will get them called "Americans!"(in a sneering tone of voice).
    • It might be Southern (0 / 0)

      My SIL is from Indiana (is that considered the South, or is it just because I live in Minnesota?) and she is the queen of thank you notes.  Even her toddler boys have their own personalized cards, and the 3-year-old now signs his own name to the thank yous that she writes.  She's actually inspired me to do a better job of writing thank you notes.  And let's face it...isn't it awesome to get something in the actual mail besides a bill or junk?
    • not sure (0 / 0)

      My in-laws are constantly surprised that I write thank you notes, but that could just be them, kwim?

      I've never heard "oh, that's so American of you," though, at least not in regards to writing TY notes (giggle...).

  • So (0 / 0)

    the parents of the bride own a bar, but they had a CASH BAR at the wedding?  That may top no thank you notes on my tackiness chart.

    I think the best rule is to err on the side of politeness.  If in doubt, send a note.  Even if you thanked the giver in person, I think it shows how much you appreciate their generosity.  

    One of my New Year's resolutions (and pretty much the only one I have kept) was to do a better job of sending cards to family and friends for all special occasions, especially birthdays.  DH has an aunt who sends cards to every family for every occasion, and we all appreciate it so much.  Especially as I get older and the birthday cards get more scarce, finding a card in my mailbox means a lot to me.

    Along similar lines, I have gotten vigilant with myself about sending condolence cards.  I went through a traumatic time a few years ago, and the notes that people sent meant the world to me.  

    One final thought: notes don't have to be long or eloquent.  A few simple words of thanks, congratulations, or sorrow go a long way.  

  • I've never been big on "Thank You Notes", however (0 / 0)

    I always make a point of thanking the giver in person or by phone and I have always stressed to my daughters that thanking people is very important.

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