Mother Talkers

Tough Love

Wed Dec 12, 2007 at 03:49:42 PM PDT

A week ago, I wrote about a stay-at-home mother whose husband left her with three children under the age of four. She wrote to Berkeley Parents Network.

We all agreed the father is an immature asshole. And for the most part, she received sympathy and well wishes from BPN readers, too. Most readers recommended she move to live near family and friends, which many moms on MotherTalkers did, too. Most readers recommended she go after her husband for alimony and child support and thought she had a good case since they had been married 15 years and he is the one who left the marriage.

Almost all the moms told her to take time to mourn and then find a job and childcare for the girls. Some moms offered their e-mail addresses and help in the way of playdates and dinner casseroles, which makes me proud to live in Berkeley. Then there was this letter, which felt like a sucker punch. Talk about tough love:

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You asked for survival tips and I really hope you mean survival tips for your daughters as well as yourself.

First - Your 4 year old should be in preschool. She is not a baby as you claim, she's a preschooler. You are making her spend her time with someone 1/2 her age and then expecting that she's not going to act like someone 1/2 her age. Unfair! Also, I hope you do not refer to her as a ''baby girl.'' It allows her no room
to work toward becoming a kindergartener, which she will be next fall, or at the latest the fall after that.

Second - A nearly 2 year old is not quite a baby either. You will probably want to transition her to a preschool situation as well. Toddlers love other kids their age; it's how they learn to navigate the world.

Please allow you children to have lives outside of yours. Its how they build a support system they can count on when you are not able to provide what they need. As a single mom, oh hell, even as a married mom, you cannot provide everything they need. Get on a schedule and stick to it. Allow your kids to help. A 2 year old can fold wash cloths. A 4 year old can sort laundry. This can be fun or a drag, it's your choice, please choose wisely. I am speaking from the perspective of a single mom of a daughter who was doing these things from age 2 on, as well as a daughter with a sister of a divorced mother.

And, yes, there are many children who at 18 months have on-going dialogs if they were spoken to and respected as individuals rather than babies. You also need to think about getting a job. This is for your financial survival as well as a perspective on how people think, cope and work with what they have. It will also help your daughters see women and girls as strong and capable.

This is probably not the kind of support you may have been hoping to hear, but it will help you with your self-esteem, the self-esteem of your daughters and your life plan going forward.

Been there, still there and doing that

I can’t imagine my two-year-old folding clothes. Then again, there was this dreamer:

I feel for you! I was raised by a single mother of three. She was off and on welfare, but that doesnt really work anymore because welfare for a family of four is something like $750 a month plus Foodstamps. I think children need thier parents in their early years. Many studies indicate a child's first three years make a huge inpact on who the person is in their life. I would start now with preschool for the 4yo, with maybe three half-days, and then work up to more time. My baby is only one, but I am looking into this awesome preschool by my house because she is super social and I plan to start 2 half days then 3 half days. I had started by going to ''babytime'' at the library where the parents are also present, so I knwo she would love preschool. So even young children can go to preschool/nursery school, you just need to shop around for the right one...

Also, you migth have to suck in your pride, but CalWorks, the welfare program, will help you get retrained for the work force. You may qualifiy for some money that wont be enought to live on, but the major helpful thing they do is pay for things like CHILDCARE. Even after you get a job and are doing fine, they will help with childcare costs for 2 years and it can be the childcare of you choosing. They will also pursue the dad to pay up, so that stress will be off of you. I spent my first year of motherhood finishing grad school (part-time). It is hard, but I only had to go to class twice a week for 3 hours and I had flexibility of when to study. you can get financial aid. I personally think school is easier than ft work when children are small, and you are investing in the future. You need people around you for support. Maybe look for single parent support groups. My mother, when I was 2, helped start a cooperative house. We lived with three other single mothers, and had two mothers that didnt live in the house that were involved. They would all have one day a week that they would watch the kids from 9am to 2pm and every other weekday they had free.
write me if you want to talk more.

Hang in there!

Soni

Like Soni said, I would live near family or friends who would help (I deleted that 'graph because of repetition) before treating my two-year-old like an adult. Then again, all my family and friends work, which is why Soni’s tips aren’t practical. Two or three-day-a-week childcare for a single parent who must earn a living is completely unrealistic. In this sense, Soni is high. But her letter offered helpful tips in terms of the welfare office’s role in providing childcare and even going after the father to pay up. (If this is true. My understanding is it is very hard to receive public assistance due to welfare “reform.”)

Nonetheless, most of the letter-writers were thoughtful and fell somewhere in between. Everyone was in agreement that this woman needed support in the way of family and friends and legal help. I especially loved the suggestion by one writer to leave the children with their father and leave him scrambling for childcare. Then again, it may be child abuse to leave them with someone so aloof and inconsiderate. I don’t know how a parent can leave his own children -- especially with someone who cannot provide for them. What a prick.  

Tags: divorce, SAHM, Berkeley Parents Network, employment, childcare, alimony, child support (all tags)

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  • SUCK IT (0 / 0)

    That's what that first "advice-giver" can do. The writer's tone was unnecessarily harsh and assumed WAY too much. Just because someone refers to their young children as "babies" does not mean that they treat them like helpless infants. How do they know the kids don't help out with chores? And any 18-month-old who isn't capable of having an ongoing dialogue is not respected as an individual and has deficient parents?

    Obviously the letter-writer feels she has survived and even thrived as a single mom, and good for her. But there's no need to denigrate a fellow mom she doesn't even know and pass judgment so quickly.

    • that was might thought too! (0 / 0)

      i felt like a dog with a tail between its legs.

    • I don't know... (0 / 0)

      she may have been a bit harsh, but she did give practical advice. IMHO.

    • No sucky! (0 / 0)

      I agree that the first writer's tone came across as harsh, but I think she had some sound advice under the crusty DIY attitude.

      The single moms who I have known that have created pretty decent lives for themselves were serious and disciplined about self-sufficiency, both in themselves and in their children. It was not the opposite of love and caring. In fact, it was some great modeling. The kids thrived, too.

      I also agree that children who spend time with older children "train up" quick--are naturally motivated to learn new skills and be more capable. Little kids like to be helpers.

      The first writer is coming from a place of fierce pride and independence. The second writer is saying "suck up your pride" and take advantage of social safety net programs, or buy some time on student loans... which is another way of saying extend your dependency a bit.

      The original writer needs to reclaim her independence and find/create a support network.

      • I think (0 / 0)

        the first letter writer had a lot of valid points, and I have plenty of experience being a single mother.  Sometimes we don't like hearing things we need to hear...

        I agree with you, Amy - the mother in question needs to start building a life, and not feel guilty about it.  Children are supposed to grow up and become more independent. Personally, I think she should move closer to family, get everyone settled in a new routine that includes preschool, and then start working on her own financial independence.  You have the freedom to make better choices when you're able to pay your own way, and not dependent on the next man to come along and take care of you.  I know too many women who are still doing that, moving from one man to the next for financial reasons, and not taking responsibility for themselves. Sad, but true.

  • I didn't feel that she was being harsh... (0 / 0)

    I thought she was trying to give some practical girl-power advice.  Kind of like "Okay, enough crying.  Wash your face and let's move forward here.  You can do this."

    It is so hard to interpret a writer's intended tone in cyber space! I think that letter would have made me feel a little bit better.  Like seeing a counselor instead of a girlfriend.

    And with regard to the children, I think she meant that Berkeley mom should try to empower her girls.  I doubt that she meant the two-year-old could actually lighten her domestic load, but that folding clothes or sorting laundry could make them feel capable and independent.

    Let your life be a counter-friction to stop the machine. Henry David Thoreau

    by half dozen on Wed Dec 12, 2007 at 04:44:41 PM PDT

    • It would never occur to me (0 / 0)

      to speak to a stranger that way. Especially one whose world has just been rocked. ESPECIALLY via cyberspace. Like you said, it's much too hard to interpret the tone. Maybe she meant to be supportive, but to me it came off as haranguing.

  • I don't know how much welfare has reformed (0 / 0)

    in the last 9 years, but it was a godsend for me. I was living in Bakersfield, about 2 hours away from family. I was pregnant and working part-time with no insurance. I had to apply for welfare in order to get medi-cal for the impending birth of Cristian.

    They made me turn over child support checks, which totalled more than what I was getting in welfare, because as they told me "the state and the father can't help support your kids at the same time, it's either one or the other". But my ex-husband's child support checks didn't come with health insurance. So, I turned over the checks. I had Cristian and about three months later, I got a full-time job and was able to get off the system. But in order to help with the transition, I was given a $200 voucher to buy work clothes, they paid for my childcare for both kids, and still gave me food stamps.

  • I think the first letter was too harsh (0 / 0)

    in tone, but I think the message was kindly meant at heart. I'll bet that that letter writer was remembering back to when she felt as powerless and sad and frustrated and was motivated to try and kickstart the woman forward. I think it was too much, too soon, but I

    As for two-year-olds and folding laundry: Jess helps me fold washclothes and dishtowels. It's something she picked up at the Montessori playgroup. I like the fact that she and I can do tasks together and she likes being a "big girl" with jobs to do... Maybe I'm being too harsh?!

    • But you... (0 / 0)

      WHAT?!?!?  ;)

    • cool. (0 / 0)

      Maya helps us load the clothes into the dryer and pick up all her toys. She also likes to help us load the dishwasher from time to time. Never too early, I say.

      • Yep, start 'em young on helping out! (0 / 0)

        Besides, if my kiddo helps unload the dishwasher, Mommy doesn't have to bend down so much! Seriously, she helps me cook (sort of) makes some tasty scrambled eggs and even helps vacuum and mop. She's the best help I have around the house.

        But three under five is tough. Preschool would be great for this lady, too. She needs some help with the workload and preschool is a good experience for kids.

        Even a part time job would help financially, and emotionally. Here's a thought, she could work at a day care center where employees get to have their kids for free, giving her income and saving tuition.

        Thanks for reading! Expat Chef http://expatriateskitchen.blogspot.com

        by Expat Chef on Thu Dec 13, 2007 at 12:10:59 PM PDT

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    • my son was putting his clothes in the hamper (0 / 0)

      at 18 months old. He learned the routine quickly and still does it to this day. Around 2/3 he went through a phase of really loving to help us with the dinner dishes, etc. 5/6 he loved showing us how much he could help. Of course, it's not every day...

  • Tired (0 / 0)

    To the first writer:

    I'm so tired of people thinking that preschool is necessary.  It's not necessary.  Any kid who is developmentally on track and gets out of the house into the world and has a good home life will do just fine in Kindergarten. Live and let live on that one.  

    We spend our whole friggin' lives in school.  School can be so boring and many of us slept through most of it and we can still get jobs.  So what's the difference if you start when your 3 or 4 or 5?  You'll still be there way too long and be paying off school loans when you're 40.

    Grump, grump.

    P.S. As if there is any chance this poor gal won't be in a full-time job soon along with full time care for her kids.

    • See (0 / 0)

      Preschool didn't do me any good, I'm still mixing up the homonyms..

      your and you're in my third paragraph!

      • FWIW (0 / 0)

        4-year-old pre-k is mandatory in Victoria. I don't mind, because it means that it's part of public schooling and not something that we have to shell out private tuition for!! ;-)

        The trouble in Melbourne right now is that there's a real dearth of slots for kids in 3-year nursery school. It was starting to niggle at me slightly, until I started talking with friends whose opinions I trust and basically, the consensus is that if you've got your kid in some form of childcare by 3, don't worry about nursery school. Jess will (thank the lord) have two days a week at her creche next year, and the center does have a loose curriculum around their program, so I've given up on fretting.

        I will say that I really like the creche Jess is in, and like the fact that she's in a peer group and learning to trust and listen to adults other than family members. It helps that Jess really, really enjoys herself; she's constantly asking "when's Dunstan Reserve?" (the name of the place) So, it's a win/win; I get heaps of work done, Jess has a blast. It works for us and that's as far as I'll go with it (ie, no proscriptions for others!!!).

    • Thank you (0 / 0)

      I spent Thanksgiving weekend at my brother's, and I can't count how many times my SIL & her mother told me I should have DS in preschool.  He's 16 months old!  I know they really mean daycare, but they've always called my nephews' daycare "school."  They said he needs to have more socialization and exposure to other kids and adults.  I said I didn't go to daycare; I was home with my mom and I'm more than fine.  They said, well, you had brothers.  Yes, but I didn't get the first one until I was three.

      I do intend to put DS somewhere part-time in the next few months, both so I can hopefully do some free-lance stuff, and because we'd like to try for a second so I could probably use some more time to myself if I'm pregnant & have another baby.  And he would probably enjoy it. But their attitude that I'm somehow harming him by keeping him mostly home with me is really shocking.  It's just as bad as claiming he'd be harmed if he was in daycare.  These people need to leave me alone...or as Erika would so wonderfully say...SUCK IT!!

      • delighted to hear (0 / 0)

        that you and DH are considering a second, Cindy!

        It's a little bit early for your SIL to be preaching daycare! I mean, you had to spend Gus's first winter practically in quarantine!

        I've said it before and I'll say it again. I like having Jess in daycare. So does she. But that doesn't mean it's something that everyone has to do! And I'd never claim that Jess is "better off" or further ahead of her peers or has some sort of intellectual boost from having done this!

      • But (0 / 0)

        4 years old (like the mom in the original post) is a lot different than 16 months.  Do they even have nursery school (just the morning kind, not day care) for kids under 2?

        In the end, people just need to do what works for them, and the hell with what anyone else thinks.

      • I couldn't get DD into preschool (0 / 0)

        I did make an effort, but the state preschool for our area did not have a slot for us, the private preschool that I liked didn't work for a couple of reasons, and most of the other options were some combination of far away (two 1-hour round trips for me) and/or religious.

        So, she stayed home with me, while I worked from home.

        I was talking to her kindergarten teacher just last night (DD is in 2nd grade now). When DD walked in that room, she didn't write her name readily, and I know the teacher was concerned. But by the end of the first week, she was writing her name as well as the best in the class.

        If you have books around, if you speak to and engage the child, if you have writing implements and paper and blocks, I think Gus will do just fine. The kids who really need preschool are the ones who somehow get to age 5 and don't know their colors. I can't even imagine how that is possible.

    • Thank you so much. (0 / 0)

      I feel the same way, and often feel as if I'm advocating the ritual mutilation of children as a result.  

      Does anyone realize how ridiculous it sounds to speak of a two year old as not "quite a baby"?  Come on.  Yeah, go ahead and try to make a five year old out of a two year old, then move ahead and get your five year old to act ten.  By the time she's fifteen, guess what she's going to want to do?

    • Not required, but (0 / 0)

      it is good for kids, and more good for giving the mom breathing space to figure out her life.  

  • Oh dear! (0 / 0)

    I also think that first response was harsh HOWEVER I am confident the mum meant well. As with most things - it's not what you say it's the way you say it! She could have been a teeny weeny bit more polite about it. Hopefully it won't be taken personally and the single mum can take out all the good practical advice offered and use it as she thinks fit.

  • Even if the tone was off-putting (0 / 0)

    in the first letter, she did have some good nuggets of advice in there. Sometimes that's the kind of advice that helps most-- the kind we hate to hear, makes us mad, then makes us think.

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