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The Nanny's Kids

Fri Nov 09, 2007 at 04:37:37 PM PDT

A small and messy house crowded with children -- that sums up my childhood. Not only was my mom a stay at home mother to four children, she also took in our friends and baby-sat babies and toddlers for money. To say our home was a human zoo is an understatement.

To this day, it doesn’t bother me when my nanny brings her children to work as my children enjoy the full house, too.

So I am always baffled -- and appalled -- when I hear of mothers who prohibit their caregivers from bringing their own children to work. Most recently, one mom on Berkeley Parents Network complained that her child’s preschool teacher wears her baby in a sling.  

My reaction was good for this school for being so family-friendly. Glad to see I was not alone and this woman received a tongue-lashing on BPN:

I am surprised that this bothers you. I would be proud to bring my child to a school where the teachers are allowed to wear their babies. It is setting a wonderful parenting example for the children. Of course they can run after the children. The teacher will just have to support the baby's head with a hand. Many people have babies and toddlers at home. They do just fine. Why would you want to cause problems for a school which is treating its employees so respectfully, has a great teacher, and is instructing the preschoolers on how to be an attached parent?

Maybe you should look elsewhere if you'd prefer a place that has the teachers put their infants in daycare.

dont see a problem

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Along the same line:

Hi- These women, as preschool teachers, probably couldn't afford to pay for childcare on what they earn. They may not be able to afford to stay home. I think it's terrific that the school, as an employer, supports children in the workplace.

I think it would be nice if we all, as mothers, tried to support each other. It takes a village to raise a child, right? Remember that your school is part of the community and that we all have a responsibility to each other. Look for the positive- it will be exciting for the children to watch these babies grow, especially for those who don't have younger siblings. It's a wonderful learning opportunity for you child, and he gets to keep the two teachers he knows and loves.

As long as the school is keeping appropriate adult to child ratios and is making sensible safety accommodations, such as one adult present not carrying a baby, I see no issue. I think it's wonderful. Give it a chance.

Anon

From a mom who let her caregiver bring her children to work:

As a mom who had her caregiver bring her two children (ages 4 and 6) to work with her while she cared for my son (age 2) and newborn, I can tell you that it was a great experience for my kids and for my caregiver. She was so grateful to have her kids with her that it made her even more dedicated and attentive to my kids. My children learned about sharing and taking turns and how to socialize with older kids as a result of the experience, which better prepared my son for the arrival of his younger sibling and later, for preschool.

Like these moms said, I think older children love playing with babies. I never felt neglected by my mom when she cared for younger siblings or other people’s babies. Whenever I drop off or pick up Ari at school, the kids are all over Eli. Even when they are rough, Eli still relishes the attention.

Plus, it is really “whack” that a caregiver can’t afford to care for her own children.

A couple moms voiced genuine concerns on whether the preschool was violating licensing laws. Apparently, the teacher’s baby counts as a student at the school and if one parent complains that school could lose its license. Not a bad point, although I am sure the teacher’s employer took this into consideration.

But the letters overwhelmingly -- and rightfully -- supported the school.

Tags: nanny, nanny's kids, preschool, Berkeley Parents Network, student-teacher ratio (all tags)

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  • good lord (0 / 0)

    this is not something that ever even occured to me to be a problem. My first daycare experience as a child was with a family; I've mentioned them before. They were a lovely local family with seven children and three generations under the roof - the wife's mother lived with them. In addition to having a full family life, the wife ran a daycare (I think there were three or four of us) and the family was a foster family as well. Because the wife was trained as a nurse, they used to care for critically ill children - one little boy with persistant cardiac problems comes to mind. I (mostly) loved it; the grandmother became my "hometown grandmother" (as my only grandparent lived in MA at the time). There were always young kids and cousins and such around. We were treated as part of the family - invited to family celebrations, and, on the flipside, teased as younger siblings!

    If I was to hire a nanny who wanted to bring along her children, or if Jess' pre-k teacher had a newborn with her, I'd be totally fine with it.

  • These are (0 / 0)

    pre-school children, for crying out loud.  At that age, I like the idea of a motherly-type teacher...and being a mother means one is a mother to an actual child.  So, the child is there...in my mind, this would serve to remind a teacher that each and every student in her care was another mother's child.  I think education is often too depersonalized.  

    I guess I'm thinking of an experience I had with one of my children's kindergarten teacher...she complained because, in her words, my son "thought of her as a mother figure".  He didn't ask her to do anything for him...it was just something about his attitude, I guess.  Ofcourse, this same woman compared her having a dog to me being the mother to my son, so there you go.  She would have been more tolerable had been caring for a child, in my opinion.

  • I'm glad to hear (0 / 0)

    so many people supported the teacher.

    If a preschool can't be a family-friendly workplace, what workplace could be?

    • yeah - no kidding (0 / 0)

      My BFF from high school has a daughter (now 14 months) and works for a school system in NJ; her speciality is curriculum design/evaluation for children on the autism spectrum. Her employer is fantastic - they have a daycare system in the school building (one floor down from the office), and her supervisor and co-workers, all women who have had children, were unbelievably accomodating when she came back at 6 months. A comfy, private place to express milk with good breaktimes (or time to nurse in the daycare centre), and if she was in the office doing work (a lot of time she's out in the community evaluating her caseload), her supervisor would encourage her to bring her daughter upstairs.

      My friend was so touched by that, and, not unsurprisingly, has extremely high morale, loyalty and a desire to stay with the school system at least until she's done having a young family. We're talking at least five years, minimum.

  • seems fine for now (0 / 0)

    A young baby in a sling seems totally acceptable to me, provided there are other teachers present and only one has a young child.

    However, as that baby gets older, I can see it becoming much more challenging.  My 3-year-old attends a cooperative preschool and I need to "parent help" 1-2 times a month in his classroom.  The responsibilities involved are less than teachers would be expected to do it -- you just bring and prepare snack and hang out with the kids, then clean up.  Younger siblings are allowed to attend, but I've been finding childcare for my 12-month-old whenever possible.  He's at an age where just keeping him safe and out of trouble would demand nearly all of my attention.  A preschool classroom is set up with lots of things that are bad for a mobile baby, like climbing structures meant for older kids, low tables with paint and glitter, and lots of larger rambunctious bodies running around without looking at the floor.  

    I'm hoping when he's closer to 2, he'll be old enough to blend into the class and it would be easier.  But I know I wouldn't be able to fulfill the responsibilities of a teacher every day bringing him along right now.

  • i'm glad the moms supported the teacher (0 / 0)

    i have two jobs, and i bring my kids to both of them

    in connecticut you can bring your own kids with you if you are a school bus driver, so i do

    and four mornings a week i work in the nursery at the church around the corner from me, and i bring the kids with me there, too

    my fourteen year old son doesn't come with me, but my two and four year old daughters do

    i used to bring my son with me to work as a babysitter and nanny and work in the nursery at the gym- the families really liked having a mom take care of their kids

    we live in an expensive part of the country- we're in fairfield county connecticut, which is just outside nyc.  i earn $15 an hour at the church, and the bus co is union, so i earn $23.45 an hour there.  but most school bus drivers around here earn much, much less.

    if i had to put my kids in day care, i'd pretty much be working for free- it's $8 per child per hour in the only day care center i'd consider using.

  • Mothering (0 / 0)

    had a great  article about bringing your children to work a couple of years ago.  I'm all for it, as I think it normalizes the whole attachment parenting style.  

    "We are the music makers, and we are the dreamers of the dream..."

    by 1plain1peanut on Sat Nov 10, 2007 at 06:23:39 AM PDT

  • untitled (0 / 0)

    I've never worn anyone in a sling, so I don't know the answer to this, but can you do everything you need to do in a preschool classroom while wearing one?  It seems there is a lot of bending and butt wiping and kneeling and all of that going on in preschools.

    It also seems that the other teacher would have to carry a bit more weight if the new mom/teacher had to tend to the little baby.  That's not necessarily the best arrangement for anyone, including the children, who could be dealing with one overstressed caregiver and one caregiver tending to a baby and the kids.

    I think in-home caregivers bringing their kids along to work is a great idea for everyone, as long as the caregiver can handle everyone.

    • Not hard at all to carry on. (0 / 0)

      I carried my daughter in a sling much of the time -- even out hiking on trails, and found that I could do most of what I would have done without her "on."  For kneeling, trust me, you end up with some nice strong thigh and butt muscles!  It's quite a bonus. :)

      Heck, by the time she transitioned to a frame pack, my legs had gotten so strong, I could drop my pants, squat, and pee trailside, without even taking her off.  What a picture we would have made if anyone had come upon us!

    • it's a little awkward at first (0 / 0)

      I wore Jess a fair bit in the sling as a newborn while doing housework and such, and up until about five or so months, it wasn't too bad. Much like learning how to manage when heavily pregnant, you just learn how to balance and move.

      I will say that I wasn't a total "baby wearer" - it wasn't all the time and as she got beyond immediate newborn, I liked to have her by me while doing housework, but doing her own thing (ie, putting her on the bed while I folded clothes next to her and so on and so forth).

      • Yeah, (0 / 0)

        But could you teach a preschool class and be responsible for up to eight kids while wearing the sling and of course, doing what you need to do for the baby in terms of feeding, diapering, etc?

  • Probably not a problem (0 / 0)

    If she isn't the only teacher in the room, it's probably fine.  However, when I was teaching, I never wanted to bring my newborns in even for a quick show off visit.  The students, especially younger ones, are so germy and they usually just want to touch the baby or grab hands with one.  It would probably be safer for a new baby not to be exposed to that but I think the complaining mom was out of line.

  • I'm so torn on this one. (0 / 0)

    I have an 11 month old daughter. She's incredibly active - she was walking (as a primary means of locomotion) before 10 months. She has defeated our "child safety" cabinet latches. And she is constantly, constantly on the move.

    We have decided to get a nanny so I can go back to school in January (will end up being 30-35 hours a week). We use someone now on a part-time basis (maybe 12 hours a week) who is expecting her own child in February. She knew we were going to look for someone and asked if she could have the job, and bring her baby to work with her.

    At first, I was elated. She's great with my daughter, they've bonded, and I trust her completely.

    But the more I thought about it, the more doubts I had. Honestly, I don't want to pay my childcare provider to take care of her own child. I'd be paying her her current rate of $15 an hour. For that much money, honestly, I want someone who is going to dedicate all of her time to my child.

    I am against the idea because I had a VERY difficult baby. She nursed for long, long periods of time, she never wanted to be put down, she had difficulty napping ... and I can't imagine how difficult it would be to take care of such a needy baby and a toddler. If my part-time nanny ends up having such a high-needs kid, my child will lose out. (Yeah, her baby could be the easiest baby on the planet - but there's no way to know until he gets here.)

    One of the sticking points for me is sick days. We talked about it and what we figured out was - no matter who gets sick, I get the short end of the deal. If she gets sick, she'd stay home. If her son got sick, she'd stay home. If my daughter got sick, she wouldn't want to expose her child to the germs, so she'd stay home. Honestly, I can't afford to cover sick days for four people - I'd never get to leave the house!!

    Yes, there are many great things about the proposed arrangement. I'd be supporting someone who otherwise will put her child in daycare. My kiddo will learn to amuse herself and take turns. My girl will learn about babies and will "grow up" with another child in the house. And she's an excellent nanny.

    But deep down, my husband and I both have doubts - serious doubts - that this is the best thing for us and our child.

    Just thought I'd throw my $.02 in there. For me, it's simply not a black and white issue. (I'd love to keep writing about this but my daughter just woke from her nap - let the marathon evening begin!)

    • untitled (0 / 0)

      On the sick days, maybe if you both just thought of her and her new baby as an extension of your family, it wouldn't end up being that many days.  

      If she gets sick and physically can't work, yes, she will have to call in (and will need back up help for herself!).  

      But if either of the kids get sick, barring a fever or diarrhea or vomiting, then just let them hang out together and of course, she will have to take extra caution to try to keep the germs apart, just like any mom at home with two or more kids "tries" to do.  It's not too hard when one of the kids doesn't crawl yet.  After that, well, all bets are off.

      But you are right, if she is going to stay home both when her kid is sick and if your kid is sick, it probably won't work.

      Just my two cents, good luck with it!  

  • no issue for me but.... (0 / 0)

    I brought my child to work with me for six months. I was lecturing and doing research at a university. The students loved it when I would lecture with the baby in a sling. Not sure they paid attention to what I was saying....but they loved it. I had a nanny at the university with me, so that I could be in the lab, and theoretically could concentrate on my job a bit more. Sounds great, doesn't it?

    It sucked. Big time. I will never do that again. I was distracted while lecturing, interrupted while thinking, impatient while breastfeeding, not present while the baby needed me. Basically, I didn't do either job well. It was the hardest six months of my professional and mothering life.

    So I have no problem with people taking their kids to work. Everyone deserves the same chance that I had. But I didn't find it made me either a good professional woman or a good mother. My reputation and my daughter both suffered.

  • hmm, not sure (0 / 0)

    i think there is a difference between having a nanny who brings her own children to your home and a pre school.  and btw, in either case i wouldn't be inclined to give someone who objected a "tongue lashing". here's why:

    1.  i wouldn't hire a nanny who had to leave her own family to care for mine...period.  now if we agreed to it as part of the arrangement and everyone was fine, then perhaps.  although, for me it likely wouldn't have worked.  as a single mom i had way too much to juggle without juggling a nanny, her children my work schedule and my child.
    1. my daughter's pre K teacher had her daughter in same class and she was same age.  it wasn't ideal. and my dd's elementary school art teacher's own daughter was in her class...that too wasn't ideal imo.  i frankly think it gets funky when the role is mother and teacher in a classroom.  it is odd for everyone involved.  was it awful?  no, but i never thought it was ideal.

    i frankly would have questions if my dd's preschool teacher was coming to school with her infant. pre school isn't babysitting or day care in my view.  i didn't send my dd to an academic preschool, rather one that adhered to developmentally appropriate activities.  but there were organized activities that required a lot of teacher attention. not sure i agree that no one has the right to be less than groovy with a teacher coming to school with her infant in a sling. what happens when the baby is 8 months?  a year and walking?  is it still ok? i surely would have questions with a one year old in the mix.

    seems to me that we should support family leave so that the teacher can opt to stay home and bond with the baby.

    i may ultimately been fine with it, but it wouldn't have been an automatic ok with me.

    • Well, from another perspective: (0 / 0)

      My husband attended school in a very small town.  His mother was the music teacher in the elementary and junior high schools.  Let me tell you, he still is not happy to have gone to schools where he was often in his mother's classroom.  This was not a great situation for him...any achievements he had were put down to his mother being a teacher in his school.

      • this is what i saw... (0 / 0)

        i felt bad for the daughter of the art teacher.  i think it was hard for her all around.  she was a great kid AND a great artist.  but somehow that dynamic caused envy, resentment, whatever.  just didn't seem good to me.
    • I agree (0 / 0)

      The more I think about this one, if this situation was actually in my kid's preschool classroom, I wouldn't be too happy about it.  

      There is so much going on with activities and even just the care of all those preschoolers, I can't imagine that someone wouldn't be shortchanged, including the preschoolers, the other teacher, and of course, the teacher/mom and her baby.

  • Doctors, or whoever (0 / 0)

    I wouldn't be keen on my kid's preschool teacher bringing her baby to class, for the reasons already mentioned above. I'd be shocked and annoyed also if my doctor did our app't with her infant or baby with her. Or my dentist. Or lawyer, if I needed one.

    If a job needs a high level of concentration and attention to others (kids, patients, clients), I just don't see how it's all that workable. Maybe with retail it's possible because a few moments wait won't kill anyone. But even then, what if something happened that took all of the mother's time for a significant chunk of time ....

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