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UPDATED: Contractions, sick kids and in-laws

Fri Nov 02, 2007 at 09:17:45 AM PDT

UPDATE at bottom of the diary.

Last week I was emailed an actual assignment by the president of Cal’s Student Parent group (and her predecessor, funnily enough) who figured I might have fun writing about my experience as a mom at a GIANT public university, so I’ve been working on that.  I also was told I should try some short fiction by another previous classmate.  Hm...things to think about.

I’m 34 weeks tomorrow, and have been having either very strong Braxton Hicks or actual contractions in the last 24 hours...not enough or close together to do anything, but stronger than anything I felt with Rory until I was on the pitocin.  I can also feel them squeeze the baby downwards (so much pressure on the cervix)...and all it takes is going to Target for a jacket for Rory or a less-than-two-mile bike ride to get them going.  I think this baby, unlike Rory, may actually attempt to leave on his own!

In case he doesn’t, though, I’ve got an accu-pressurist my doula recommended that I am to call today,and have a LOT of reading up on the VBAC process to do in he next few weeks...aside from all the normal Turkey-Day/Christmas prep and rush.  Oh yeah, and it looks like my in-laws and family will be arriving two or three DAYS after my due date, not the two weeks I’d been trying for.  I was REALLY trying to get two weeks alone with me, Hubby, Rory and the baby, but there’s family coming from Argentina who want to see the baby and who are leaving on the 26th of December.  ::sigh::  I can accept that, especially since it’ll be a short visit, but (especially Hubby’s folks) stress me out, and I don’t relish having to clean and prep for their visit two days after birth.  On top of that, MIL and FIL really want to take Rory to SoCal with them for a few days, but I want her here for Christmas (and really, I want her to be here for the family bonding ad to be able to enjoy some of Hubby’s 4 weeks of paternity leave.  Why is it impossible to simply say, "I know you’d like A, B and C, but due to physical constraints, labor and delivery, and a very short amount of time where all 4 of us can just be home together, we can’t accommodate that...but we’d love to see you in a few weeks)" without them getting offended.?

Rory has been sick on and off the last few days, and we took her to her pediatrician on Weds after she’d had a 102 fever and was acting lethargic and cuddy (always a sure sign of sickness) with an AWFUL booty-rash.  Turns out it is just some random virus, and will pass on its own, supposedly.  It has given her MASSIVE diarrhea (she filled a diaper, down both legs and filled her boots last night) so we’re keeping her hydrated, giving her vitamins and following the BRATY (Bananas, Rice, Applesauce, Toast, Yogurt diet, with oats (thanks to all who suggested this). She seems happy if a little slowed down, except when she’s got to use the potty (I’m guessing pooping mucus isn’t comfy).

Rory was an absolute terror all night on Halloween, and just when I’d started thinking I’d lost my mind in agreeing to have a second kid, today she wanted to simply snuggle in my lap all day. Kiss me again and again and get me to lay down with her.  Are all children this unpredictable?

Hubby’s surgery went well initially, but he hasn’t been able to bike to work and has been babying the wound a little.  He’s now finally able to pick Rory up and carry her around, but not for too long or he starts to hurt.  I still find myself the one on the floor doing baths or stripping her bed or what-have-you, but at least he’s able to do part of it now.

On the upside, bro did find a job, so he’ll be out of the house a little more (all his TV watching and sitting around is a bad influence on Rory and I, although I will miss that she’ll watch TV with him while I shower).  Besides, he does need to make some money, as there are rent and bills to pay, and I’m glad he’ll be able to stop living off his savings.

Also, we’re supposed to go camping for a friend’s 8 year old’s birthday this Saturday, but the birthday-girls little sister seems to have contracted the same (or a similar) strain of the Staph that nearly cost Rory her leg in January...so we’re probably going to be re-scheduling that.

I AM, however, getting professional belly pictures done by my favorite photographer on Sunday...hopefully they’ll come out as well as her other work...I simply cannot wait to see!

Next week I should have the parenting-at-college piece ready, and will be working on a short story for the week after that.  Wish me luck.  

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So, I got this from my sister-in-law, the one I really like, today.  On the one hand, it's nice to know that she feels we can have an honest dialogue about it, but on the other hand:

hope all is well and that my little nephew isn't giving you too much trouble these days.  I'm glad he's anxious to get out, as I am anxious to meet him!

Anyway, on a totally unrelated note, I am emailing you to just chat about a couple things.  I want to be up-front with you that I was a little disappointed to read your latest blog entry on myspace.  I understand that you're stressed with everything and that my folks are not the easiest people to be around (that's not news to anyone), but I still can't help but feel that the blog was a bit inappropriate.  I apologize if this email comes to you as a bit out of line, or as some added stress, but I felt it important to be honest.  I know you mean no harm, but it is pretty insulting to read about how your sister-in-law thinks your parents are a pain via the world-wide-web.  I know it's not all you talked about in your blog, but it struck a chord with me.

I think it's one thing to vent about in-laws amongst friends, or even family, but I don't think that posting something on the internet about how much they stress you out is cool.  It is neither the right forum nor setting... especially because I know that it would really hurt my parents if they were to read it.  I don't want to go and show it to them, because it's not my place... but as you can imagine, I am reacting partially on their behalf.  

I hope you understand that they want to come visit you and the baby out of their overwhelming love for your child(ren).  They don't expect to stay at your house, or that you have to clean up to prep for them, or that you have to stress over feeding them.  They just want to shower their new grandson with love, and I hope that you appreciate that.  They also would like for Rory and Julian to meet family from Argentina who also love them dearly but haven't had the opportunity to meet either of them.  I hope you appreciate how much all of us on this side of the famile really and truly love Rory and Julian, because it isn't everyday that a family is so generous.  If anything, I hope that you could see that much of why they want to come is to ease some of the pressure off of you and help take care of Rory while you attend to Julian.  It's hard enough that you already live so far away, and to feel unwelcome only makes us feel more isolated from your family.

I hope you understand where I'm coming from, and I don't mean to attack you, but I did need to get these things off my chest.  This is a joyous time for you and your family, but also for us.  I would hope you could find it in your heart to welcome, not just tolerate, us at that moment.

I hope that you are able to relax and don't take this the wrong way.

My response was :

So DS-to-be is doing well, and after my appointments this week it seems like everyone thinks he'll be a tad smaller than Rory, which is good news for everybody.

As for the deal with the blog and the folks: first off, I'm sorry I upset you.  That truly wasn't the intent, I'm just fulfilling a promise to Pablo to write weekly, and this whole birth thing is weighing heavily on my mind.  Like you noticed, the bit about your folks (and actually family in general) wasn't even the biggest part of the post, and most people didn't even seem to notice it.  In fact, other than your siblings, only 5 people who have ever even met your folks can read it, and that includes DH's freshman girlfriend and BIL's old roommate.  Since it is ABOUT family (mine and yours), I don't feel I can talk to any of my relatives about it, and this is how I was sharing my feelings with my friends.  Unless signed on as you or BIL (or unless forwarded on by other SIL), there isn't really a way for your folks to read it, you know?

Thing is, it isn't your folks that are the biggest stressor.  Yes, they contribute, and I'll explain in a bit, but really what it comes down to is that I'm feeling a bit railroaded in this whole birthing thing by everyone.  In my family (and in Dh's cousin's wife's and most of my friend's) the first few weeks after birth are time for that family.  Since Dh has his time off, it feels like time for he, DD and I to get to know DS and for me to recover (probably from major abdominal surgery again).  That's hard to do with visitors.  

For that reason, I've asked that my mom come up beforehand to help clean and cook and then not come back till mid January, and asked my aunt and uncle and your folks and yor uncle and aunt to come for Thanksgiving so they could see us and DD and say hi, and then to just wait till the first of the year (2 weeks) to come to see the new baby.  Your folks didn't want to come.  My midwife, doula, and all of my birthing books all advise just staying at home and in bed for 40 days after birth to bond, work on breastfeeding and stop bleeding, and that's for people with regular births, not to mention C sections.  

I didn't say your folks were a pain or drove me crazy because I know they do love DD (and DS) to bits.  I really do know that.  I respect that they want the people from Argentina to meet DD and DS , and that there's going to be a bunch of them here the week he arrives.  However, and here's where the your-family-specific worries come in: having strangers in my house when I'm barely able to get out doesn't sound like fun, and yes, your folks do stress me out a little on their own.  Your mom didn't even want to eat at my house when DD was born because it was a mess, and I'd been on bedrest for 4 weeks before birth.  I didn't realize they were going to be offended by the notion last time (neither did Dh) and so we asked for time last time.  They freaked, your Dad yelled and I gave up the only recovery time I had (since school started mere days after they left).  Like you said, they're not the easiest people to get along with, and more stress after birth isn't really what I want (especially combining that with the whole Christmas panic).  And while it may seem fortuitous that all these relatives from Argentina are here right when he makes his appearance, I really am feeling guilted into having people who I've never met, and who Dh has barely seen (since he hasn't been to Argentina in a dozen years) up here mere days after birth.  I'm willing to do it out of love for Dh and respect for your folks' wants, but it isn't what I want, and that's all I was saying in the blog.  And, so you know it is fair, I've got family thousands of miles away, too, and if they were going to be here this Christmas, I'd ask them not to come either, and promise we'd come visit them as soon as we could.  The timing just really sucks on the visit, but because there's nothing to be done about it, I figure a short visit will be fine.  I just can't see why your folks can't respect my wish for 2 weeks.  The only exception to the "please don't visit yet" feeling are Grandma and Grandpa, who I'd love to have any time because I know our, and Rory's, time with them is limited.

Dh and I have talked about when we're going to be able to go to Argentina, and it's a rough topic.  He only gets 2 weeks of vacation a year, and this year, he's using that to stay home when his son is born.  In 2006 we used it all up going to Torrance and in 2005 it was used to stay home when DD was born.  On top of that, tickets to Argentina are $1600 a person, and if we'd gone anytime since DD's birth, it would have cost us nearly $5,000 just in airline tickets.  I also had a job and school, and there's been no way to go, at all.  we simply can't afford it in terms of money or time.  We've discussed going this summer, when we could take both kids, but that makes it nearly $7,000, and I don't have that.  There's also both Dh and my awkward Spanish, and my hesitation to spend my only vacation in a culture I'm not familiar with or comfortable with, and where the only people I know are your folks.

Thing is, when explained to most people, the response I get is "why don't you just say 'no'?"  That's what Dh's cousin's wife did (hid away for weeks) and other friends of mine have just refused to answer the door.  I can't and won't do that because I know why they're coming.  However, your folks do kind of just decide what they want and push for it, regardless of what I want (see the above bit about DD's birth and remember the haircut, and the lack of sign language they'd agreed to do, etc).  I mean, why would they think I wouldn't want DD around for Christmas?  Or that it would be okay for them to take her to a foreign country (especially for the first time) without Dh or I?

And Marina, we don't live that far away.  Yes, it is a long drive, but we do it more than twice as often as your folks do.  It's also $50 each way to fly here, and they don't do that.  We're less than 1/6th the distance SIL has moved away, and that's really just a part of being adults...moving to where the jobs are and where you can afford housing and a good school for the kids.  Your grandparents didn't get on your folks for moving to Missouri, and no one was mad at your aunt and uncle and your parents for living in Livermore.  We come down A LOT (we were just there in Sept and will be back in February, and that's the longest we've ever gone between visits).  And we'd LOVE to see you guys, all of you.  I just was asking for 2 weeks out of the whole rest of the rest of the kids' lives to get set aside for me and my husband to meet my son, and it feels like no one in your family is willing to ackowledge that as a vaild or reasonable wish, and that hurts a bit.

I'm not mad and I'm glad you felt you were able to be honest about the whole thing.  I hope that clears everything up.  Now, I've got to go lie back down, because he's spinning upside down and it hurts.  :)

And no, she doesn't know about MT or that I'm posting this here, but dammit, I felt like I needed to explain my problem!

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  • Hang in there! (0 / 0)

    I read this before but didn't post.  I hope you're hanging in there.  Take it easy as much as you can!

  • Just say no (0 / 0)

    That is what I've learned with my in laws. And you know what, I wasted so much time worrying about offending them that I left silly afterward when they were totally ok with me saying no to DS sleeping over at their house. Just be firm, but kind. Say what you feel. "Thanks for the generous offer, but now is not a good time. We really want to bond as a family. After things settle down in the new year, we'd love to take you up on your offer." Or something like that. Don't appologize and don't feel bad. :)

    • Agree (0 / 0)

      I agree with this!  You have to take care of yourself first and foremost.  I was a lot more gutsy about this when my second child came along... maybe because I remembered how irritated I was the first time around.  

      You'll have to post the belly pictures!

    • Yes...PLEASE say no. (0 / 0)

      My mother in law was like this...she'd just show up unannounced the day after I gave birth and it would be like pulling teeth to get her to leave.  When we moved up here, she knew I wouldn't go for her coming and staying nights, but she'd be here within a day or so of the birth.  With my next-to-last baby, she came the following day.  My son had been born the night before, just a few minutes before midnight.  We came home the next morning and by afternoon, here she was.  As if that wasn't enough, she brought my father in law and her friend.  My mother was also here as she'd come up to watch the other kids while we were at the hospital.  I will never forget being the one up getting dinner around for all of these people that evening.  Here I was, having given birth about 18 hours earlier, throwing a dinner party for 12 people.  Something really wrong with that picture, you know?  

      • EXACTLY (0 / 0)

        Thing is, I even TELL them, out loud, in small words, not to come.

        Out at a restaurant to avoid feeding MIL and FIL and BIL (although, I wouldn't really care if BIL came by himself, he's sweet and useful), and 2 aunts and an uncle of DH's and my mom wasn't a whole lot better as a first time, post-op mom.

        400 miles is NOT far enough away.

        What do you mean, uh-oh? Toddler & baby pictures

        by round peg inna square hole on Mon Nov 05, 2007 at 09:47:52 AM PDT

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    • I wish (0 / 0)

      it were that easy.  i say no, and MIL calls DH crying (or has FIL call him to yell) about how since we moved away from them the responsibility is on us to make sure they get to see her.  (this totally leaves out of the equation that DH moved out of their home at 19, that we married 3 years alter and moved to the Bay BEFORE having her...and that FIL and MIL make literally 8x what we do and won't EVER fly up to see her...we are expected to dirve her to and from their home 300 miles away 8 or 9x a year).

      ::sigh::

      They routinely schedule things that don't take our schedules (Dh working full time, my (until recent) school schedule) into account, and then get really pissed at us when we don't come.  We even told them LAST summer (in August) after we'd been guilted/forced down to visit 6 times that summer) that we were out of cash and weren't coming to thanksgiving, Christmas or New Years.  The DAY BEFORE thanksgiving, FIL called to see what time we'd be arriving, and them, realizing we'd MEANT we weren't coming, yelled at DH and gave him hell about not coming to their 30th anniversary bash (on New Years)...despite us not being told it was anything other than "Yay, 2007!"

      They are VERY inconsiderate people, and gave us massive crap about not letting them come until 12/20 because "all the family from Argentina want to see him."  They even tried to gt DH to agree to FLY US DOWN (on our dime, too) for Christmas, less tan 10 days after my due date (and 6 days after a possible C-Section so they could see the baby.  We told them in September we wouldn't be coming back till February...but like last time, they don't seem to care what we say.  I even compromised, and offered to have them up for Thanksgiving, but they won't come.

      The hard part is, DH's family is all VERY close knit, except for him.  :(

      What do you mean, uh-oh? Toddler & baby pictures

      by round peg inna square hole on Mon Nov 05, 2007 at 09:45:00 AM PDT

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      • That sucks (0 / 0)

        that they don't get it. Try not to let the guilt get to you. Rory is your daughter and if you and DH say no to a holiday visit to see the grandparents, then the answer is no. You guys call the shots not the GPs. It also stinks that they won't pony up to pay for airfare for you guys to come see them.

        How does DH feel about it? From the sound of your post it sounds like he agrees with you. If so, maybe ask him to deal with them.

        Oh, we got the "you'r moving too far" guilt when we moved a yr and 1/2 ago. We only moved 45 minutes away. But you would have thought we moved to Mars! It was then that I reminded my MIL (who is really dear to me and we actually get along well) that my parents are 8 hours away and would die to have us only 45 minutes away. DH also reminded his folks that our move meant more time he had with DS. Luckily, they seem to have gotten over it.

      • no no no (0 / 0)

        UGH. Just reading your comment made me tense and angry. It is NOT COOL that your in-laws behave this way. Please don't feel guilty about setting boundaries and sticking to them. I hope your DH realizes you have to present a united front, in spite of the inevitable guilt trips.

        I can't believe they expect you to do all the traveling and pick up all the expense. I'm especially surprised because they are Latino, and Latinos are usually good about walking the walk when it comes to family and unity.

        We lived in Sacramento for seven years and my parents visited us at least three times per year. Other family made the trip too, even though we usually ended up making the trip 4 or 5 times a year.

        It's a two-way street. For them to say YOU have to make sure they see Rory is bullshit. If they want to see their grandduaghter, they will make an effort. Calling you up and demanding that you deliver her to their doorstep is NOT an effort.

        I know sometimes it's easier to give in rather than take the boatloads of crap, but that will only encourage them to continue with the controlling, unreasonable behavior. I urge you to say "No mas!" In a calm yet firm manner, and repeat as necessary.

        • Thanks, Erika (0 / 0)

          Yeah, DH is the one that talks to them, and he does tell them what we expect, but then they call the great-grands and bitch and ...  eh.

          I did tell them they can only come for 2 days, can't take Rory over Christmas (what the hell?) and that there was no way I was getting on a plane...at all.

          FIL even offered to start paying for the trips, since he hates the drive, but shirked out of that once we arrived.  He's got more money than he knows what to do with and LOVES spending time with Rory...I just don't understand his unwillingness to buy a $49 plane ticket.

          I would be happy going down once, maybe twice a year, for a few days, and then having them come up twice a year.  That would be MORE than enough for me.  DH would like 4-6 trips instead of my preferred 3-4.  They want us around 9-10.  So, we've decided the deal will be one visit in the summer and then either Xmas or TurkeyDay/New Years and ONE other visit.  Things like funerals (or Julian's baptism in Feb)don't count.  That's our offer.  They can then come for anything else they want (since I won't be giving birth ever again).

          What do you mean, uh-oh? Toddler & baby pictures

          by round peg inna square hole on Mon Nov 05, 2007 at 04:18:45 PM PDT

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  • if they do come (0 / 0)

    don't put yourself out entertaining and cleaning up! Two days after giving birth!? Honey, put your feet up and serve store-bought cake and instant coffee. On paper plates. And ask them to put them in the garbage themselves!

    Your inlaws seriously expected you to send Rory to them days after the baby's born and FOR CHRISTMAS!?! That is absolutely nuts. Seriously. My god.

    • Yeah.. (0 / 0)

      their thinking is that I'll be busy with the new baby and too tired to deal with Rory (which is valid, and why DH is taking 4 weeks off), and that they can't ahve all of us for Christmas, so how about just Rory?

      I think I will be serving store bought food (or getting my bro to cook, he's pretty good)...or asking that they bring something. Or, I could just order pizza...that'll drive them nuts!

      What do you mean, uh-oh? Toddler & baby pictures

      by round peg inna square hole on Tue Nov 06, 2007 at 09:52:16 AM PDT

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      • nice thinking (0 / 0)

        ok, that's not a bad motivation to be coming from, but still...

        I'm really glad to hear your DH decided to do 4 weeks. When Jess was born, my husband took off four weeks as week as well (it was actually five weeks, but Jess was week late!). It was so great for us all, particularly as we were in London and we didn't have any family to lean on (although we did have some great friends who were magnificent.).

        Go the storebought. Or really get their goat - ask your PIL to cook dinner for y'alls. And maybe do up a few meals to freeze as well! ;-)

        • seriously (0 / 0)

          if someone is imposing themselves on me and my family mere days after I have given birth, I expect THEM to feed ME at the very least. The last thing they should expect is for me to be cooking for them...argh!!!

          My mom came to visit days after my daughter was born, but she cooked and cleaned and held the baby for me while I showered and napped. Now THAT'S the kind of visitor I'm talking about!

          • I have one wonderful, beautiful (0 / 0)

            friend in London who did this for me. She's fantastic - even more so considering she's a.) an only child; and b.) not a mother herself. DH was in Nigeria, Jess was about 5 weeks old and she came up for a lunch. Brought it all with her - like, everything all prepared. Dished it up, cleaned up, washed dishes, left me with another meal of leftovers, then held Jess so I could have a shower. I swear to God, it was the best present she could've given me!

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    My sympathies. Seriously.

    What an awkward, infuriating situation all around. You're much kinder than me; I think I would have told SIL to Suck It.

    Oy.

    I still say stick to your guns, kindly but firmly. And the bit about them taking Rory to Argentina? Are you freaking KIDDING ME???

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