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My annoying MIL—a rant

Mon Nov 19, 2007 at 12:59:05 PM PDT

Can I just tell you how annoying my MIL is? With BIL’s wedding last weekend and Thanksgiving coming up, I have seen quite a bit of her and I swear I could throw a brick at her head.

First, some background: DH has a younger brother ("Sid") (the one who got married) and an older sister ("Elaine") (married with 2 kids). All 3 sibs are successful, stable, independent, and normal. All spouses (and I include myself) are also normal and stable. We all have good senses of humor and no major quirks or hangups. The grandkids (my DS and Elaine’s 2 kids) are smart, generally well-behaved, and again, normal. All of us are above-average parents who enforce discipline and stay on top of our children’s development. Everyone lives in the same metro area.

MIL has been married for 40 years or so to FIL, who is quiet but kind and funny. He has diverse interests and is fine in social situations. All his kids love and respect him. He shows affection for his grandkids and is actually quite good with babies and kids, especially for a man of his generation.

MIL is a kindergarten teacher who works 60+ hours per week. She rarely makes time for her kids or grandkids. When she does interact with any of her grandkids, she is purely trying to "assess" them. She does not display any affection or try to get to know them at all. She does not interact with them on their level. I wonder how this woman could have taught kindergarten her entire life when she is so, so, so very bad with kids.

Anyway. You’d think that MIL would recognize how great she has it. All of her kids and grandkids a half an hour or less away. All financially stable with no addictions, arrests, or really annoying habits. Everyone gets along. Her husband, kids, and grandkids are all healthy. Yet she is one of the most negative human beings on the planet. Nothing any of us do is good enough. Elaine is very successful at work, therefore she gets crap for not raising her kids right. DH started his own freelance business a few years ago and has seen amazing success, therefore he is a workaholic. Sid married a girl MIL can’t stand ("Marilyn") (of course everyone else loves her). Every choice her kids make is a bad one. Buy a beautiful old house in a (rich) city neighborhood? The schools must suck. Move to the burbs? Too far away. Grandkid reads a lot of books? Doesn’t do enough "imagination play." Other grandkid (my DS) is into trucks and blocks and heavy-duty imagination play? Needs to learn to sit still and focus. And just forget about the impish, high-energy, youngest grandkid. He must have serious ADD and developmental problems (not even close).

So we had Sid’s wedding this past weekend. DS had several late nights in a row and was just a champ. He was so well-behaved and cute. Complete strangers came up to us and exclaimed over what a good boy he was. MIL’s comment? "How did you get him to behave? Did you bribe him or something?" No, actually (not that we’re above that, but we didn’t need to). DS is just a good kid, which she’d know if she ever spent any time with him. She’s seen him for maybe 10 hours this entire calendar year—and only 4 of those hours were actually spent with him, rather than just occupying the same space). Then she also accused Sid’s new wife Marilyn of not wanting kids at the wedding—the same Marilyn who worked as a nanny for like ten years, who prepared special gift bags for each of the kids in attendance at the wedding. I think she’s actually trying to sabotage her—but no one believes a word she says, because she is so very full of crap.

So more background: Sid’s wedding was very very crowded. They had to limit the guest list to 150 for space reasons. Sid (and DH and Elaine) have three cousins they never speak to. One set ("Sheila and John") has 5 kids under the age of 4 (crazy Xtians). Cousins Sets 2 and 3 have 2 kids apiece. These kids were not invited to the wedding. Why not? Well, perhaps because these kids would take up an entire table at a wedding with only 18 tables. Why devote an entire table to the children of people you never speak to, when it would mean you’d have to leave off people who are actually your friends or close family? So Sid’s three nephews and other several other kids who are close to the families were invited, but not those 9 kids. It caused a big stink. So Marilyn gets accused of not wanting kids at her wedding. Hypocritically, MIL invited about 10 of her friends from work, whom Sid does not know at all. If she really cared about the left-out kids, she could have sacrificed her own friends—but oh no, much easier to pin it on Marilyn.

To add to the mix, she loves spending time with her brother and his wife (the aunt and uncle of DH et al). They live a couple hours away. They are John’s parents and Sheila’s in-laws. DH and his sibs are all bitter that she can make time to spend whole weekends with these people on a regular basis but won’t drive ten minutes out of her way to see her own grandkids. We all have to hear about the 5 Wonder Kids during every conversation. How intelligent, well-behaved, glorious. Never mind that these are the same cousins who could not be bothered to write a single thank-you note for their bridal shower or wedding gifts. Never mind that Sheila looks like she’s aged 15 years in the past four, or that their lifestyle is completely funded by their parents. We get regular updates on their achievements which are numerous and astounding—and MIL never asks about her own grandkids, except in a critical way. Interestingly, there was a rather revealing moment at the wedding as I conversed with John. Remembering that MIL had told me that the three-year-olds were now riding horses by themselves, I asked if his kids were riding horses. He replied no, though the oldest had ridden a pony once. So. It appears that the numerous and astounding accomplishments have been exaggerated at least in part.

Then I got this (probably unintended) dig from the aunt, who said, "So, I hear you’re expecting another! Congratulations! How exciting" "Yes, thank you," I said, "It will be fun." "Well, if Sheila can handle 5, you can handle 2!" Talk about a backhanded compliment. I managed to make some vaguely polite nose like, "Ah." She wandered off. I can only imagine what she hears from MIL about my parenting skills—perhaps that my boy is ill-mannered and I am barely competent to handle one much less two.

I will have to see her at Thanksgiving and endure more criticism. I don’t mind if she says anything about me, really, but DS is off-limits. First of all, he’s mine. Secondly, he really is an amazingly well-behaved 4 year-old. He is social and sweet and imaginative and funny. He does not tantrum, he shares, he does as asked. How dare she cut him down—she has no idea who he is and no idea what she is talking about. I may have to throw a brick at her head.

Anyway, that is my extended MIL rant. Thanks for following.

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  • wow (0 / 0)

    Wow, you sound like you have a great family, with one minor problem!  : )

    Primary school teachers are interesting, especially older ones.  I think some of them became teachers because that was one of the only options when they went to college, not because they particularly like kids.

    Weddings always have something, don't they.  

    What does your DH say?

    • Fortunately, we are on the same page (0 / 0)

      After her post-wedding comments about Marilyn and DS, he said, "God, she's such a b%$#^." I'm like, hey, you said it! He's very hurt by her but their family doesn't communicate very well, so I may be forced to say something to her eventually (in a nice way, not via a note wrapped around a brick launched at her head, which is how I feel now).

      • good luck (0 / 0)

        I mentioned downthread that my MIL keeps the criticism and sniping to a minimum, but I think that's in large part because I have let it be known that I will NOT take it. She can snipe behind my back all she wants, but she will not criticize me or DD to our faces. I think that's a completely reasonable expectation, and I don't blame you for wanting to protect your son.

    • This applied to my mother in law, I think. (0 / 0)

      To be fair, she did like children...but she was very "old country" and had a few very old ideas about how children should be and how they should be raised.  Very regimented and by the books.  Many teachers of that age group were like this...she actually told me at one point that she would never actually play or joke with children as it could cause her loss of authority.

      I didn't have children so I could be an authoritarian.

  • oof. (0 / 0)

    My sympathies. Sincerely.

    She sounds like a piece of work. A lot of negativity at play there.

    My own MIL is largely absent and perfectly content with seeing our daughter once every two to three months...even though she lives 30 minutes away. And this is her only grandchild that lives in the same state.

    But she keeps the digs and criticism to a minimum, so I am grateful for that! And when she does spend time with Maya, it's only for a few hours but she really seems to enjoy her. Then we go off in our own directions for another few months.

    All told, it could be much worse!

  • My mother in law (0 / 0)

    was an elementary school teacher, too.  She did make time to spend with the kids, but she always organized their activities as if they were in school.  Can't live that way, myself.  Ofcourse, because I couldn't, she was sure that our kids were going to come to no good end...this was implied to me time and again.  I actually think she was a bit miffed that they turned out so well.  Ok.  Enough said.  She passed away two years ago, and despite a few difficulties she was a good mother/grandmother.  Ofcourse, she became a better mother/grandmother after we moved more than two hours away.

    • I think MIL (0 / 0)

      might not know how to relate to kids except in an academic way. But all her gkids are in preschool/school, so they get enough academic attention. What they need is a grandma. So sad!

      • It really is (0 / 0)

        One of the things I love most about having our two foster kiddos with us is watching our parents try on and play the role of grandparents.  Last week we saw my mom and dad at an extended family gathering and it warmed me to hear our 4yo say to me "I just want to sit with Papa Phil" and "Nonny stole a kiss" all with a big grin on his face.

  • I think my mother in law was afraid to, (0 / 0)

    quite frankly.  I think "control" was very important to her and she was so afraid of losing it if she ever stepped down from her authoritarian position.  She loved the grandkids, but I think she robbed herself of a lot of enjoyment by always trying so hard fill some sort of role.

    Ofcourse, she had a father who was extremely strict and demanding...until he was in a nursing home he still called all the shots.  A perfect example of the Lakoff "strict father" model...he chose her major in college for her!

  • ack (0 / 0)

    MIL sounds like a real handful. But you wrote about this so well that I was actually giggling at some of it. Not to minimise your frustration, but wow, it would make a juicy one-act play the way you write it!

    On the plus side, it sounds like Sid and Marilyn had a lovely wedding and you've got a friendly SIL to add to the mix. Mazel Tov. It's a good thing that your husband and his siblings are united on their front as well; in my IL situation, DH is the only one who is on speaking terms with his three siblings - no on else talks to each other. It's insane, and a function of how MIL played favorites and how MIL and FIL handle family disagreements - they cut people out of their lives. But that's another story and I don't want to take away from yours!

    BTW, perhaps the aunty who told you if so-and-so can handle five, you can handle two was actually trying to be reassuring or say something nice, rather than trying for a subtle dig. I know I've said something similar in other circumstances and meant it in the best possible interpretation.

  • Sorry (0 / 0)

    MIL's can be crazy, even awful people.  Mine drives me (and my whole fmaily) NUTS, but at least I know she loves DD.

    ((hugs))

  • Oh. minnmom (0 / 0)

    I am so sorry you had to deal with that while you were supposed to be celebrating a wedding.  She certainly sounds difficult, to say the least.  Hope that the rant helped a bit and will keep you from tossing that brick her way on Thanksgiving!

  • yikes (0 / 0)

    maybe it's a blessing she doesn't want to be more involved in your kids lives. could you imagine if she wanted to come over every weekend?

    i have a wonderful mother in law- i really do.  my husband is the one with the difficult MIL.

  • So sorry (0 / 0)

    She sounds really hurtful to deal with.  I wonder if, when she's around the family members you think she adores, she makes nasty comments about their kids and brags about yours?  

    It's sad that she can't enjoy her many blessings.

  • Just curious (0 / 0)

    How old is your MIL?  Mine raised 6 children and is totally unable to relate to her grandchildren.  She would have made a great college professor or teacher of that sort and is fairly intellectual.  While she is affectionate with them she has expectations that exceed their ages and really doesn't do well with the young ones at all.  Even the ones that live near her, she never went to see them in their Halloween costumes or made a fuss about them like my mom does with my kids.

    I've noticed she does the thing you mentioned where your MIL sets up activities for the grandkids like she would in a classroom.  My MIL is about to turn 70.  Maybe it has something to do with how things were when they were brought up.  

    In her defense, she does seem more comfortable with my teenage and college aged nieces and nephews.  She once told me that she felt fine with her own children but that other people's kids never liked her.

    • She's 60 this year (0 / 0)

      and according to FIL, having some sort of post-midlife crisis type thing.

      I think that a lot has to do with how she was brought up-- her sister and brother are both very negative people, and their kids are grumpy too. They conform to the negative Scandinavian stereotypes in some ways--but FIL, DH and his sibs are all Scandinavian too and they're not that way.

      I think she is really miserable being a teacher. One could say women lacked options in her day but she's younger than my mom and my mom managed to parlay her teaching experience to eventually become a corporate exec-- so I guess some ruts are of our own creation. Then she pours all her energy into work--something she hates--so no wonder she's miserable!

      There is a problem with her expectations of her gkids-- she expects them to act like they're in school at her house. But they spend enough time in school. They don't want to do mandatory craft time or keep their voices to a murmur. They want to play! She thinks this demonstrates flaws in their characters.

      Last Christmas she had a big party for the whole extended family. I was having a good time with the kids--we were reading a silly story and laughing and making silly voices, being enthusiastic but not obnoxious. Besides, all the kids parents were there, drinking punch and enjoying themselves, and it's a family Xmas party, not a black-tie reception. Well, she shushed us! She shushed me!! Shushed kids who had the temerity to laugh and have a good time with their cousins at a family Xmas party. Ugh. She is No. Fun. Ever.

  • Mine is a retired K teacher (0 / 0)

    72 years old, so definitely of the generation that had few choices. And a very similar, unhappy, argumentative, critical disposition. I have often heard the same types of criticisms of what my children lack.  But, to her credit (?) she tears down other people's children even more unmercifully and hurtfully. I'm glad I don't hear what she says behind my back.

    I find it very interesting that she was a very well-respected, liked, desirable (requested!) teacher and that, of course, none of these people knew that she would go home and drink herself drunk. Every. Day. Still does, starting at 3:00 or so. She weighs about 120 lbs. and drinks a bottle of wine (or more?) every day. And she's a nasty drunk. She'll follow my DH around the house to seek out and keep and argument going. It would be comical if it wasn't so sad.

    minnmom, you are so right to keep your DS off limits to her nastiness. A couple of years ago I was at a restaurant with MIL, DH, DD and DS. MIL started blaming DD (then 9) for not having a good time at MIL's house "because you didn't give me any ideas of what to do". WTF? She's the KID! DD, who's usually very calm started to cry that heartbreaky cry. I got up, took DD, and went home. I made a "scene", oh horrors for MIL! MIL almost left our house that night but didn't. However, she hasn't started in on the kids since then. I felt like a huge weight came off my shoulders that night. (I'm generally very meek, though I'm getting better as I get older. And even the meekest Mom can become Mama Bear, right?)

    I've got her for Thanksgiving this year, too, my thoughts will be with you!

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