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Can I See the Menu, Please?

Tue Oct 09, 2007 at 02:32:57 PM PDT

Most of us have complaints about our kid's school menus. Let's see how ugly it is and how good the exceptions are. For the bad, tell us what needs to change and post an image of the menu. For the good, how did the change come about? What did the school do to make this possible and what can we other parents learn from the experience to send to OUR schools. I want to gather a list of the stories, create one huge post and then send a link to what works to my kid's school. You can send a link to your kid's school. Just let them know you want better options and you know it is possible.

Send it to parents in your school district. Use it as a talking point. Whatever.

Here's how:

  1. Post an image or text of the current menu along with why/how it is good or bad.
  1. Go to this post.
  1. Leave me a comment with the link and I will gather all the links into one big post in a month from now. We can all see what shows up. Hopefully some good lessons.

Tags: school lunch, nutrition, activism, blog meme (all tags)

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  • NYC Elementary Schools (0 / 0)

    Here's the link to the lunch menu for October.  I think it's "pretty good" in that they offer fruit and veggies at all meals, use whole wheat bread, and are not overly fried.  There've been some good changes in the past couple of years - mostly due, I think, to Mayor Bloomberg's focus on health overall.  The problem is that the kids don't eat the fruit for the most part, so it's probably more wasted than anything else.

    • It's the limited variety that is an issue (0 / 0)

      I know, in a perfect world, kids would be eating like the French preschool menu I blogged on (you HAVE to see it!). The issue I have is that the menu is built around nuggets, burgers, tacos, pizza, fish sticks as "safe" options. The healthy choices can be ignored as you say happens.

      The failure with introduction of healthy foods is that kids are not participating in the effort. Great success stories are those where kids help grow and prepare the food, or another program where kids are empowered to try and "vote" on a new food whether they want to keep it. By giving kids control, they actually try new foods and participate, often liking the new food as a result.

      Those are the stories I am hoping we find. I'm choosing to be optimistic. So far, the best menus are coming from Europe.

      Thanks for reading! Expat Chef http://expatriateskitchen.blogspot.com

      by Expat Chef on Wed Oct 10, 2007 at 08:25:23 AM PDT

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    • Federal standards (0 / 0)

      I didn't realize this until I worked at a grant program that dealt with the standards and reimbursement the subsidized lunch program (which I'm pretty sure most schools participate in) has requirements for what is served at each meal.  For lunch, it's a meat/protein, 2 servings of fruit/veggie, bread and milk.  

  • My daughter (0 / 0)

    is not in public school yet, but she will be next year.  I'm afraid to click on any of this.

  • The menus aren't bad (0 / 0)

    where my son is. They look to be pretty healthful mixes of things. He's in preschool at a daycare center, and they get catered food from a program that supplies to schools and centers, so it's all kid-focused.

    My current issue with them (and the school agrees) is that they have suddenly stopped providing allergen information. Period.

    I find it inexcusable, but what can I do? I know the school is complaining...

    I suspect it's an anti-litigation strategy. But given how many kids have allergies to dairy, eggs, and other common ingredients.... sigh.

    • heh (0 / 0)

      quick answer: you'll sue if they don't give the ingredients/allergen information.

      • Yep. Allergen info is pretty important (0 / 0)

        with the unexplained rise in allergies among young kids, they need to provide that.

        Thanks for reading! Expat Chef http://expatriateskitchen.blogspot.com

        by Expat Chef on Wed Oct 10, 2007 at 08:17:14 AM PDT

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      • how are Jess's allergies (0 / 0)

        these days?  We saw a 21 month old friend this weekend who has outgrown her egg allergy(!).  The nut allergy is still severe, though, and her mom sure hovered as I prepared some food :-)  Good mama.  

        • still there (0 / 0)

          Jess had a small asthma attack in August when she had a severe cold, so I booked in an appointment with the allergist to get some information. (she's too young for a diagnosis, but he says he doesn't think she does, as she doesn't display early triggers). We retested the allergies while we were there, and yup, herself is still allergic to egg. Fortunately, no new allergies have come up, so that's a good thing!

          I have to say, all things being equal, it's not that bad an allergy to have to manage. I never bought packaged cookies and cakes to begin with, so Jess doesn't miss it. It's easy to cook around it, for the most part, and we are blessed with some great vegan cafes in our neighborhood, so it's super-easy to go out and have a coffee and order Jess a "treat" knowing that it's already egg free. Jess is also aware that eggs make her "sick" and she will pipe up and ask people about it. "Dis cake have egg innit? I can't have egg. It makes me sick!"

          • wonderful to know (0 / 0)

            she's already got the self-protective reflex down.  She sounds so advanced!

            The asthma attack must have been scary.  I sure do hope it was a one-time-only thing....

            • you and me both (0 / 0)

              My sister developed a serious problem with asthma when she was about three, and we all had to do our part managing it. (when we were in daycare, I was always on the lookout for me) I hadn't realised how much I internalised looking after my sister's illness until this happened with Jess and I was absolutely frantic. I had stress nightmares for about a week, and kept calling Jess by my sister's name. Not a short drive to figure out what was going on. Touch wood, it's ok. The allergist was tremendously reassuring on that point, and it hasn't appeared since.

              I was really pleased when Jess started doing the "egg makes me sick" thing. It started out as her asking why she couldn't eat a cake at her cousin's birthday (I made a substitute cupcake), and so we had a whole discussion about it. I'm allergic to some things, like mangoes, so we even talked about how it's not fair that Jess can't eat egg, but it's also not fair that Mummy can't eat mangoes. She found it curious.

              • I sure hope she outgrows it (0 / 0)

                I think about it every time I post a recipe that uses eggs. It's like, oh man, Rachel can't use this one!

                Thanks for reading! Expat Chef http://expatriateskitchen.blogspot.com

                by Expat Chef on Fri Oct 12, 2007 at 02:58:44 PM PDT

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                • I hope so too (0 / 0)

                  or barring that, I'm hoping that for our little project, I find a good enough combination of ingredients to give a close approximation of heft. I'm still not wholly satisfied with using an egg substitute.

                  But I do wonder whether all the eggs in some recipes are totally called for, just based on history. I'm thinking of your shortbread crumble recipe recently, when you eliminated the egg altogether with no negative impact. I'm wondering if, typically, all those cakes and such were always made with the number of eggs called for...

                  • We'll have to try it and see! (0 / 0)

                    I am baking more now that it is cooler outside.

                    Thanks for reading! Expat Chef http://expatriateskitchen.blogspot.com

                    by Expat Chef on Mon Oct 15, 2007 at 03:29:18 PM PDT

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                    • I'm thinking of a post recently read (0 / 0)

                      on another site - a Jamie Oliver lemon drizzle cake that called for 4 eggs. Four eggs?! She did it several times and it never rose. She reduced it to three eggs and it was ok, but didn't reach the lofty heights it should have. Perhaps just a typo? Who knows.

  • Have fun with this one... (0 / 0)

    Here's our lunch menu.  As far as I can see, it's "kiddie food" heaven.  My son packs his lunch.  I haven't made a stink about the school lunches, because I honestly think it would fall on deaf ears.  We aren't a wealthy school district, which is in rural suburbia.  I think many of the parents probably have not so great diets around here too and probably think it's fine that the school offers corn dogs and chicken nuggets.  I'm open to any suggestions you might have.  

  • Here is our district's menu (0 / 0)

    for elementary students this week.

    Some things on here look ok, others not so ok (pancake sausage on a stick? WTF?  That is what Jon Stewart has been making fun of in recent months).  Wrapped cheese dog?  Etc.

  • Here is the (0 / 0)

    October Lunch Menu for our district's elementary schools.

  • can't find a menu (0 / 0)

    for Jess's daycare. But they have their own kitchen and cook, and everything is cooked from scratch. Egg, dairy and nut free. Jess's meal on Tuesday was: spaghetti bolognese with fresh fruit slices for dessert. Afternoon snack ("afternoon tea", for the Aussies) was homemade Turkish bread with homemade dips. They get the kids involvd in the cooking where possible; I think the 4 year olds helped make the bread, and Jess's class "helped" make the dips. (I asked what that means, and the teacher said they get the kids to dump the beans into the food processor, or stir it all together, things like that).

    Last week's lunch was Moroccan beef and vegetables over couscous and chocolate cake for dessert, with dried fruit for afternoon tea. In the past, they've done baked chicken, moussaka, roasted vegetable sandwiches, etc., etc., etc. I keep wanting to finagle a lunch invite!

    The center isn't unique; the Victorian (state) government has made healthy eating habits a priority for children, so there's money out there in daycare centers to subsidize/promote fresh food preparation, using organic veg where possible. I love it. Unfortunately, it doesn't carry over totally into public schools. I have to see what the deal is with the primary school in the neighborhood. I'd definitely volunteer in the "tuck shop" if it meant preparing more healthy food. I have a feeling it won't be a problem, though; I did notice that there's an herb garden on the school grounds, which seems to be saying something.

  • Menus are only part of the story (0 / 0)

    Thanks for the great topic Expat Chef!

    Our menus look great on paper. For example "California burger, fresh fixin's, oven fries." But there are two problems. First, every day has an alternate entree. On California Burger Day, the alternate is fish sticks. Guess what the kids choose? Also, the kids pick whichever side items they like from the lunch line, so how many of them are eating those fresh fixin's?

    I was appalled when I ate with my DD last year. (My kids bring lunch.) The main menu was lasagna and carrot sticks. The alternate was YOGURT. (How that qualifies as an entree, I'll never know.) Every hot lunch kid that sat at our table had the same lunch: a 6 oz. Danimals yogurt (hello HFCS!), a plastic-wrapped cheese slice, and milk. There wasn't a carrot stick to be seen. I kid you not. That was lunch.

    I know there are food waste issues to think about, but it seems to me that kids will eat better if the fruit and veg are already on the plate and not a matter of choice.

    As for affluent schools vs. others, I looked up the menu at an expensive private school nearby. It was FAR worse than our public school. "Cheeseburger, fries, ice cream; Mac'n'cheese, corn dogs, pudding." The real kicker was the price: $4 a day! Unbelievable!

  • asdf (0 / 0)

    Here is ours:

    Nightmare!!

    We send lunch.

    It's so funny b/c he is a foster kid & qualifies for this lunch for free.  But forget it.  We had this huge row (sort of huge) with the lunch lady about milk.  She wouldn't give him milk b/c he wasn't signed up for the hot lunch.  And again, it would be free b/c of his foster care status.

    Whatever - we put $20 on the account.

    Cheers.

    • Fight the milk (0 / 0)

      Our district allows our foster kids to get just milk, as they qualify for free lunch.  Maybe try the building principal or the head of Food Service for your district.

      We also send lunch many days.  I'm kind of glad that she's a picky eater in that respect.  

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