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Social Justice and Activism Thread 1/29

Sun Jan 28, 2007 at 09:17:21 PM PDT

This is the place to keep us updated on your pet projects for social change, however you define it .... writ small or large.

And at least one MT participated in a peace rally this weekend, so please share your experiences! First time rally or a familiar scene?

I've been pondering the last couple of weeks why some changes are easier than others. I've been dragging my feet on certain goals that I do value, so what gives? What is my personal tipping point for taking goals into concrete action? What's yours?

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  • House renovation (0 / 0)

    We are redoing the kitchen and two bathrooms and are only going to buy enviro friendly/recycled floors, countertops, etc. I feel really good about it - it's way more expensive, but we are commited to going green. we bought the bathroom floor for the kids bathroom yesterday and are trying to find recycled glass countertops for the kitchen...saw them on Living with Ed last week!

    We've been doing a lot of organic produce - particularly the top 12 - and I will tell you, organic sweet potatoes are so much sweeter/better than conventionally grown!

    • I love (0 / 0)

      sweet potatos and yams.
    • Cost (0 / 0)

      The cost of green products of all stripes is a bit discouraging. In my efforts to get all of our cleaning products green, I noticed that the cost is anywhere from 25% to double. This is not going to work on a large scale if costs don't come down. For cleaning products, it's a few bucks more, for house stuff, can add hundreds if not low thousands to the job?

      I suppose though that this is an early adopter issue .... any insight into how long it takes these products to come down to competitive pricing? I wonder if anyone knows yet?

      Good job choosing the green products .... if we don't create demand, then it'll never take off.

      And glass countertops sound very cool! When you get a chance, post to the thread your suppliers and we can all keep them in mind.

      RachelD

      • Trader Joes (0 / 0)

        has pretty cheap, green cleaning products. I bought the all purpose cleaner and laundry detergent on Saturday...I'll let you all know how they perform.
      • DIY (0 / 0)

        white vinegar, lemon juice and baking powder can be used as natural cleaners. Cheap, non-polluting and very effective. White vinegar - limescale, soapscum remover; a vinegar/warm water combo also cleans windows a beauty (especially when you use crumpled newspapers to wipe the windows down). Lemon juice and baking powder makes a great metal polisher and sink/countertop cleaner. It's got a touch of grit in it for scrubbing, but not enough to scratch delicate surfaces. There are other uses as well - check out the following websites:

        www.eartheasy.com...
        www.vanessasgift.com...

        The only downside - you go through an obscene amount of lemons this way! I buy them in the dozens now, and I figure it'd actually be cheaper to buy a lemon tree and harvest my own.

        • Next phase (0 / 0)

          Ok, I am feeling resolved to go au naturel in my next phase of green cleaning. I already use the vinegar for the floors, and have tried it on the stovetop after another MT (Anu?) suggested it. I didn't know it would deal with soap scum ...

          I admit I've been worried about baking soda scratching everything, but now that you mention that it doesn't, I'm willing to give it a try. People use it on their teeth and faces, so how bad can it be?

          And, the best part is that we have two lemon trees! Consider adding one to your new yard!

          Thanks for the links, and for the inspiration :)

          RachelD

          • lemon tree (0 / 0)

            very pretty
            and the lemon floooower is sweet
            but the fruit of the poor lemon
            is best used to get that nasty stain out of your tile grouting

            Peter, Paul and Mary need some help with their lyrics, no? ;-P

        • We use the same things (0 / 0)

          I'll add a couple of my favorite tips:

          1.  Vinegar undiluted for glass (it streaks much less that way)
          2.  Washing soda & boiling water for sluggish drains.
          3.  Castille soap on oily grime then a vinegar for stainless steel.

          Oh - and my husband swears by rock salt as an abrasive for cast iron pans.
  • I've plunged head on into my (0 / 0)

    board work for the NH Women's Lobby -- attended aboard retreat all day saturday and will be working with the organization on marketing and message. in particular we are working to push through legislation for better access to health care after divorce for women and kids. We'll be joingin with several other women's groups to host a presentation for the state legislature on the bills coming before them this session for women and families in the state. It's hard but exciting work!
    Katie
  • Stuff (0 / 0)

    Still trying just to cut back on spending on STUFF, doing a good job so far.

    Finally saw An Inconvenient Truth this weekend.  Very good.  I liked what he said that sometimes Denial goes right to Despair.  Like the problem is too big to even try to tackle, so we go right to despair.

    Anyway, going to try to think about what our family can do in terms of reducing our emissions, but I'm not sure there is that much that we can.

    • Terra Pass (0 / 0)

      We purchased Terra Passes for our (high emission!) vehicles last year. Although its not the same as physically reducing emissions, at least it makes me feel better that we are doing something.

      www.terrapass.com

      There are other similar companies as well, but we went with Terra Pass.

  • Water Conservation (0 / 0)

    This has less to do with social justice and activism as such, because it's a necessity and a practical step, but DH and I are kicking into high gear a project to mount water tanks in our front and back to collect rainwater for the garden. Most of Australia, including Victoria, are in the grips of something like a 10-year drought, and it is drrrrrrrrryyyyyyyyy. We've been in water restrictions of varying levels here in Melbourne for about three years, and the largest city reservoir is about 39% full - and predicted to drop to 25% full around April. There's a lot of initiatives around to encourage water conservation - graywater recycling for toilets and gardening, rainwater collection, etc. - but as our place is a townhouse, we can't retro-fit a graywater system and the rainwater tanks are the best we can do.

    Found some lovely slim-line tanks that we can mount higher up on our walls - less intrusive than some models, which is a bonus, so we'll be pricing it up soon. Come autumn, I'll also be instituting my garden redesign, putting in drought-resistant Australian native plants to replace the bushes and turf that have perished in the heat and the drought. (No longer allowed to water grass, and watering gardens is restricted to two days a week, with buckets.) I'm actually looking forward to it, because I'm fascinated by the Aussie natives, and it's our responsibility not to waste water on decorative touches like gardens when the farms in country Victoria are withering and dying from lack of resources.

    • Wow (0 / 0)

      I just read this:
      "An Australian state plans to introduce recycled sewage to its drinking water as a record drought threatens water supplies around the nation, a state leader said Monday.

      Queensland state Premier Peter Beattie said falling dam levels have left his government with no choice but to introduce recycled water next year in the state's southeast -- one of Australia's fastest growing urban areas." Full story at http://news.yahoo.com/...

      Reminds me of Mad Max! Crazy times. We have Gore telling us we'll all be underwater if we don't stop global warming, and in Australia you haven't any water to speak of!

      • It's a good idea (0 / 0)

        France and parts of the UK already recycle water; having lived in both places, I can say that there's no ill effects, besides a slightly chlorine-y taste to the tap water in London. I'm hoping the Victorian government will go for it, too. Queenslanders are very opposed to the measure, but I think a lot of it has to do with the fact that the government's not selling the idea correctly (not mentioning that other countries already do it, for example). It's the only viable alternative; desalinisation plants are propped up by opponants of recycling, but it's tremendously expensive to build and very wasteful of gas and electricity to do it.

        At the very least, Australia has to get into recycled water for industrial parks.

    • Rainy rainy here (0 / 0)

      At least in the winter...  

      My husband would love to catch the rainwater and use it to water our garden, flush our toilets and other such things.  It's on the to do eventually list!

  • Small steps, and a decision (0 / 0)

    Still making some changes in the cleaning products, and Original Rachel has posted two links above that give advice on going totally au naturel .... vinegar, lemon juice, baking soda and the like. I will be experimenting with this.

    Here's where I am dragging my feet: volunteer time. Nothing seems inspiring. I am tentative even though I say I want to do it. One step was to realize that my old tried and true volunteer gig, Planned Parenthood, doesn't have the pull it used to. I think it's a BTDT kind of thing, and really in the whole scheme of things, Planned Parenthood doesn't need my help as an individual as much as many other projects.

    So I've been thinking a lot about our posting about single moms in Iraq and have decided to put my time and effort there. It feels better to be doing something for those who are sacrificing for the war. So in this next couple of weeks, I'll be looking into how to do that and of course will let everyone know what I find.

    RachelD

    • interesting question (0 / 0)

      I've been wanting to get into volunteering, but I have several questions. One, how and second, with whom? I'm still settling into Australia, and I don't feel connected to any particular organisation at the moment. Politics will never have the same urgency because I'm still a foreigner (non-citizen) and can't vote. (although that could change as the year progresses - there's a federal election, I'd love to see John Howard - Bush's other lapdog - out and I'm really impressed by the Labor lineup) But I don't know where else to put my time.
    • Volunteering... (0 / 0)

      Yes, this one is a harder one.  I just increased my work hours so it's a little more challenging to find time.  My daughter is also not lasting terribly long at preschool (separation anxiety) so that isn't a source of free time!

      I think to ease my guilty mind I'll at least sit down and redo our charitable/non-profit giving plan.

  • Sorry to keep on the Molly Ivins subject (0 / 0)

    But here's a great quote that all of us with justice in our hearts and minds should take on:

    "So keep fightin' for freedom and justice, beloveds, but don't you forget to have fun doin' it. Lord, let your laughter ring forth. Be outrageous, ridicule the fraidy-cats, rejoice in all the oddities that freedom can produce. And when you get through kickin' ass and celebratin' the sheer joy of a good fight, be sure to tell those who come after how much fun it was."

    From www.motherjones.com...
    • How to end the war? (0 / 0)

      That is a fantastic quote, Rachel. I don't think I can get enough about Molly Ivins right now.

      She and plenty of others have called for us to use our collective will to stop the war. I agree, we must. But I have no idea what the right action is.

      I need collective help.  What actions are already going on that you all think are most effective? I have been in despair for a while and need help finding the right action.

      thanks

    • Nice article (0 / 0)

      and quote. Maybe noone else sees the similarity, but this attitude reminds me of Paul Farmer from our Mountains Beyond Mountains book discussion thread. Both he and Molly Ivins are people who don't hold back.
    • Beautiful quote (0 / 0)

      Thank you for posting it here for a shot of inspiration.

      I ditto SF Mom of One ..... I am currently trying to figure out what I can do to help end the war (doesn't that just sound impossible?). I just last night googled how to support the troops (single moms especially), but ending this thing would of course be better.

      Cheney said on MSNBC (per Maureen Dowd) that any vote in the Senate "won't stop us." How do we like that? (As Dowd pointed out: who is this "us").

      Would love to hear some ideas.

      RachelD

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