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The Luxe Life For Little Ones?

Tue Aug 08, 2006 at 04:47:45 PM PDT

When did you get your first manicure and pedicure? Do you remember the first time you got highlights, a facial, a massage?

I do. The manicure and highlights were very occasional splurges during college. I was well into my 20s before I ever got a pedicure. Same for my first facial. And I have only had one massage so far...when I was almost 9 months pregnant, and it was bliss.

To me, these are occasional indulgences, and I always feel slightly guilty forking over the cash required.

But there's no guilt involved for the little girls featured in this USA Today story. It seems that a growing number of kids as young as 6 years old are making spa visits a regular part of their lives.

The age at which girls begin grooming regimens and beauty treatments has dropped dramatically in recent years, spa owners say, as girls follow their favorite celebrities and their self-indulgent baby-boomer parents.

Bombarded with marketing and media messages their parents never heard growing up, kids today find stores filled with grooming and cosmetic products aimed specifically at them. These days, it's not uncommon for kids as young as 6 to get minifacials and French manicures as spas-for-kids have evolved from a rarity to a growing subset of the bustling spa industry.

So more and more grade school girls are getting honey-colored highlights, pink pedicures, even mind-numbing massages...

Kid spas have "moved from a trend to a staple," says SPARTY! owner Alexis Ufland, whose company offers at-home spa parties for teens and tweens in New York and 10 other cities.

She recently did a birthday party for a gaggle of 10-year-olds on the Upper East Side that featured manicures/pedicures, mini-facials, henna tattoos, pink robes with each girl's name, goodie bags with pretend makeup, food and a birthday cake -- all for about $5,000.

"They already know what a French manicure is. They know they want square nails, not round."

Well I don't know about you ladies, but I sure am RELIEVED to know that our growing girls have a strong opinion on the shape of their nails!

In all seriousness, I guess I don't see the harm in an occasional indulgence, even for little girls. Just the other day I was telling my husband I can't wait until my daughter is 6 or 7 years old, so we can go get a pedicure together and have a little flower or something painted on her big toe. I envision that as a once-a-year treat, and can already see her delighted, smiling face as she gazes down at her brightly painted toes.

But I do think it's risky for such pampering to be the norm for young girls, and even teenagers. It puts way too much emphasis on their appearance, and could create an unhealthy sense of entitlement.

Then again, some girls don't stand a chance if their mothers think like this one:

"This is America, and America is into beauty, taking care of yourself, staying healthy, eating right and taking vitamins," says Siobhain Buckley, mother of Diandra, 11, and Ireland, 8, who love visiting the Hyatt Hill Country with their mother. The girls say they plan to keep going to spas when they become teens and adults.

Like many women her age, Buckley, 40, didn't get her first manicure/pedicure until she was an adult. But her daughters are growing up in a different world.

"Children are so far advanced compared to us. But it's for fun, and if it teaches them hygiene and good skin care, how can it be bad?"

You hear that, fellow MTers? If you consider yourself a patriotic American, get your family to the nearest spa, STAT!

 

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  • touchy topic (0 / 0)

    WOW -- pedicures and spa treatments for little girls...somethin' about that is makin' my skin itchy...perhaps i need a treatment - lol.

    i didn't get my first pedicure until i was way past my twenties.  in fact i think i may have been in my forties.  jeezus....i'm feelin' a little gipped...oh well.

    my 15 year old has had a few pedicures, but i have to admit i have qualms over it sometimes.  not sure where the lines are drawn and what's too much?  i see so many girls at this age going for the full treatments particularly to get "prepared" for their high school dances --- and then there are the limos etc....the money spent this way could probably support a small country... only in the land of plenty, right? where millions of people have no health insurance...sometimes stinky here...oh, i guess it's all those little feet.

    can't wait to read the other replies...

  • Back in high school, (0 / 0)

    my girlfriends and I used to have a ton of fun with our own little "spa sleepovers:" everyone brought all the facial scrubs, masks, toners, and moisturizers they had, and we'd spend the whole night trying everything out and painting each other's toenails.

    I've had one manicure (just before my wedding, and I hated it.  Tore the obnoxious things off on my honeymoon.)  I've had one facial (as a gift - it was nice and relaxing, but I get better results with my homemade sugar scrub and a raw egg yolk mask.)  Massages...well, that's one thing you really can't get at home, unless you've got a massage therapist in the house.

    Point being, these girls are really missing out if they get regular trips to the spa!  There's so much fun girl-bonding time to be had at home with friends or sisters or moms (or really, really fun dads) doing at-home "spa" treatments.  And they're setting themselves up for a BIG disappointment if they think they'll be able to afford regular trips to the spa during college or during their first jobs!  Good honk, that stuff is expensive.

    I don't have a problem at all with spa trips for little girls as a special occasion-type thing.  I look forward to taking my girls for massages or facials on their birthdays someday.  But setting them up to see that sort of elite, expensive treatment as a regular thing - an entitlement or necessity, even - is doing them a great disservice, in my opinion.  Life isn't all about being pretty; they'd learn more if we took the money for a spa treatment and took it down to the homeless shelter instead.

    • you've touched on so many good points (0 / 0)

      I'd like to amplify:

      1. I'm hyperventilating just a bit because I'm having a girl in October. Can I just say that part of me would have preferred another boy so I could avoid these kinds of issues? Is that evil?

      2. all these elements of luxury - cell phones, designer jeans, etc. are great if you can afford them but again, what happens when Suzy graduates and has an internship? Who will bankroll that lifestyle when she's making 12k per year (or less?) Citibank? Mom & Dad? I think its one of the most distressing things about the democratization of luxury (where everyone is a consumer of SOMETHING that used to be a great luxury - whether it's Starbucks coffee or Fendi handbags or whatever) is that our kids will expect ALL of that as part of middle-class life. Most won't be able to achieve it.

      3. bonding. Dear jeezus, please tell me these mothers have other ideas about how to bond with their kids that aren't dependent upon consuming something - in this case the low-wage efforts of recent immigrants. Ditto for girly-time with friends. What happened to playing light-as-a-feather, stiff as a board?

      4. I'm the only grinch so far who has said kids shouldn't be pampered this way - though the options were not, er, neutrally worded...I feel that beyond a certain age (10? 13?), pampering like this at home is ok. Me paying for it until an occasion like prom, no. (Unless they want to pay for it themselves - hey, it's their money, but it would buy a lot of iTunes).

      5. This smacks to me of the early sexualization of little girls - playing grownup woman in this way - makes me uncomfortable. Somehow it's not the same as dressup. Suggesting that a six-year-old NEEDS to be this groomed seems to steal something from childhood. I can't help but think of the freaky pageant kids a la JonBenet Ramsay. Ick.
      • yes, yes, yes (0 / 0)

        I was thinking of JonBennet when I read this, but I didn't want to be depressing (and I couldn't remember her name). Objectifying and sexualizing children is just plain wrong--and that's what this is teaching these girls. Materialism and objectification. Lovely.
      • we all have to be aware.. (0 / 0)

        of even these seemingly little insignificant things.  every once in awhile a manicure...sure.  my 15 year old has been treated exactly 3 times by me for a simple manicure.  and yes she did get one with her friends prior to her 8th grade graduation...out of her funds.

        facials?  holy cow!  pedicures!  massages!  we've gone mad and way too much money IMO.  i agree with the concern about how the hell are these kids going to fund this kind of lifestyle on their own.  and btw, what is left to look forward to as a treat? what is left to thrill them?  i believe this constant amping up of goodies, treats and adult like provided experiences will only serve to develop the external, the unimportant,the superficial and starve the inner development of our kids.

        so i pose another question?  how are we counteracting this kind of trend?  i think about this often.  when i was a kid, i was babysitting and earning money by age 12.  i babysat every weekend.  by 8th grade i was volunteering every saturday at a hospital that housed mentally disabled children,in those days it was called the mentally retarded, who were housed in an institution by parents who didn't want them.  i did this for 3 years straight..every saturday.  no one coaxed me into it...i joined a friend in this endeavor.  early on i discovered the value and real satisfaction of helping those who were so, so much less fortunate than me. i haven't thought about this until recently. and as usual it is a memory that is stirred because my daughter is the age i was at that time.  i want my daughter to have what i had because i truly believe it was a defining moment in my development.  the understanding that life is a crap shoot. and humility and empathy is developed by exposure to those who may not have what you have.  the service to those who are less fortunate and contributions you can offer are ways in which we keep ourselves connected, humble and truly grateful for what we can give back.

        if mothers want to find a way to bond with their daughters...i'd suggest something different.

        melinda

      • early sexualization of girls (0 / 0)

        that's a whole other can of worms...I could write a whole other post about why it disturbs me so much to see little girls coming out of those creppy Libby Lu stores looking all tarted up. I'm talking five and 6-year-olds strutting around looking like an early Britney Spears. Ick.

        I want my little girl to stay a little girl as long as possible.

        • me, too! (0 / 0)

          Maybe it's my problem, but I feel sick when I see young girls dressing sexy, and little girls playing at it. Just the other day I was at the zoo, and there were 2 or 3 girls, about 12 yo, wearing the TINIEST shorts and tank tops. They didn't look like they were trying to be particulary risque, just comfortable on a hot day. But they were all very tiny, slim girls with long hair. I was walking behind them on the way to the parking lot, and I kept seeing grown men checking them out! It was disgusting.

          Having a little girl now makes me really conscious of all of this...I was a teen during the grunge era, so there wasn't as much of the sexy dressing going on. Childhood is so short, though, there is no reason for little girls to be playing at sexiness.

      • Even with boys (0 / 0)

        the temptation to "bond by shopping" is great.  My two boys are easily entertained by a trip to the local mall--there's much to do (rides, looking at books, the kids play area) and lots of goodies to buy (toys, books, treats).  

        One day my oldest was harrassing me about buying a toy.  I repeatedly told him no, but he kept whining about it.  I took him aside, reminded him of some cool things he'd received recently (my MIL had just given him his first Transformer), and said that by repeatedly asking for more, more, more, he was coming across as pretty greedy and selfish.  (I felt bad being so negative--but he was being greedy!)

        He thought for awhile, and then decided that he didn't really need any new toys until his birthday.  (That's about two months away).

        I've been very consciously trying to do activities with them that DON'T involve the outlay of cash--pool, parks, the nature preserve, the library.  

        It can be hard--our culture is soooo eager for us to spend, spend, spend and get, get, get.  The movement to take little girls to spas is an outgrowth of this.

    • So true! (0 / 0)

      The sleepovers were the times to play with nail polish and make up. That's part of the fun of growing up as a young girl...it's like bonding time. My mom and I would do each other's nails, too, which I think is way more fun and special now that I'm an adult.  Think of all these kids who won't know how to paint their own toenails!  I was in my 20's before I ever had my nails done, or professionally colored my hair (who among us hasn't ended up with purple hair thanks to Cairol in College?). Even now, the mani/pedis are for special indulgences, not a regular part of my maintenance. The whole glamming up of the tween set just makes me feel icky. I wasn't allowed to even perm my hair before I was 14, which was big back then. My friends were perming at 11.

      And as for that woman in the article commenting on how it's more hygienic to go to a spa for a pedicure, what does she think about the fact THAT's where people get foot fungus??

      My kid is going to be SO bummed at how "unfair" I am when it comes to these things when she is older!

  • My daughter is going to be 12... (0 / 0)

    ...and even though I HAVE splurged, (she does own ONE pair of Seven jeans), she really is not that kind of little girl. I thank God for that. She is in no rush to grow up. She's uncomfortable with the boobs she's sporting and she bites her nails, which I hate! I've taken her, maybe less than 5 times to get a pedicure. But she doesn't need it. Besides, what kind of child needs a massage? What can a 6 year old possibly be stressing about? Math? Spelling? Coloring outside the lines? A facial? PLEASE!! Yes, let's get rid of the crows feet, pronto!!
  • Stuff like this makes me SOOO glad I have two boys (0 / 0)

    They are so easy to maintain.  All their pants match all their shirts.  They never need more than two pairs of shoes at any given time.  Their hair doesn't need to be coaxed into rubber bands or barrettes.  No tights need to be squirmed up their legs.  And, I'd be mighty surprised if either of them asks to be pampered at a spa.
    • It's mkkendrick by the way, not anonymous (0 / 0)

      I keep forgetting to login
    • No tights? (0 / 0)

      Futbol socks are harder than tights! And then you have to stuff in the shin guards!
    • that's all true, BUT (0 / 0)

      wait till you are driving one of his girlfriends home one night they have been watching a video.   you prompt him to walk her to the door, but it is apparent he is totally uncomfortable. when he comes back to the car, he shares that he is in agony and can barely walk...you drive home totally perplexed and worried while he is writhing in pain.  it seems there is something painfully wrong with his crotch, and being that he plays sports, and a friend of his has already had a twisted testicle, you immediately assume that this must be the problem.  you get DH involved and he investigates enough to think that he and the boy cub better go to the hospital --- DH rushes to hospital and at least 5 hours later, it appears that the problem was the proverbial BLUE BALLS -- yup you got it --- boys and their balls can cause lots of trouble.

      we actually laugh  about this...now.

      or,

      you are taking him to meet a bus that is taking him to a lacrosse camp..you don't know that he needs a CUP until 6:30am of the day he is leaving, so you arrive at the bus where lots of older boys are gathered along with the coaches.  your son is 14...you motion the coach over (he is college age) and begin the conversation about the coach getting a C-U-P for your son prior to his playing...everyone is on the bus, ready to go so you motion him to the window and try to mouth "the coach is going to get you a C-U-P when you arrive so you can PLAY.."  imagine the scene --- it's not easy...but it's all BOY...and of course we LOL about this now too!!!

      in hindsight boy or girl --- they're both great -- i'm not so sure that either are easy :>)

      • I'd rather deal with bras! (0 / 0)

        I'm so afraid I'll have a boy next time around! Growing up just me and my mom, I wouldn't have the first clue about how to handle these kinds of situations! Maxi pads, bras, shaving...I'll take those on any day.
        • when it's (0 / 0)

          your boy, you will know just what to do, and if you don't, you'll stumble through just like the rest of us with sons....

          my 19 year old comes in the house these days, picks me up and twirls me around, starting his own little dance with me....pure bliss.  a son or a daughter are both heaven.

          • love your comments (0 / 0)

            I, too, am a little apprehensive about the possibility of having a boy next time around, because they're so darn unfamiliar to me! But I love your take on it...whether a boy or girl comes next, I know it will be bliss. :-)
            • i know what you mean (0 / 0)

              about being unsure.  DH had two sons when we married and so i had some familiarity with boys; plus i had two older brothers growing up...our first was a boy (i guess that means i'm one of the ugly ones :>))...and our second a girl.  DH was quite worried about having a girl. so much so he admitted he didn't want one because he would felt inept.  it took about 5 seconds (probably less) the day she was born for him to get right over that feeling....pure bliss each time, no matter what.
              • My husband (0 / 0)

                grew up with brothers and he was dumbfounded when he found out we were having a girl.  But like yours, he feel in love immediately and has been a great dad ever since.  

                I used to think I wanted both, but ever since I had a girl I have a ridiculous desire for all girls.  I think I have this idea that I will get to relive Simone's babyhood all over again if it's another girl, which obviously won't happen regardless.  But I know if we had a boy I would love him just as much and never wish for anything different.

                • And for practicality (0 / 0)

                  I do want to have all girls (this is why I'm sure I'll end up with a boy next time!), and one reason is because Avery has so many clothes that were given to her that they were barely worn before she grew out of them. I'd just like them to see more use before they get donated!

                  Honestly, though, I know I'd love having a son if I had one. Especially as he got older. It's the 0-5 years that worry me! Avery is active enough, I can't imagine a boy running around. Also, I do forget sometimes that I have my husband to help with the more personal aspects boys go through.

  • Go to the Grocery Store (0 / 0)

    The last two times I've been to Giant after work, I've run smack into what I'd call a little dose of perspective.

    Last week, it was a mom with a daughter in a wheelchair with severe physical disabilities.  She pushed the chair with one hand and pulled her grocery cart with the other.  She looked exhausted.

    Tonight, a different mom, with a different kind of disabled child -- I have no idea what exactly one would call the developmental disability this child had, but he was bald and baby-like though he was probably five years old.  He sat in the front of the grocery cart with a bib on, sucking his thumb, drooling, rocking back and forth.  I've never seen a child with this particular syndrome, it was visually very arresting and hard not to stare. I felt awful as I tried to grab furtive glances at the boy to try and understand his condition.  

    With both of these moms, I realized that they are in for a lifetime of hard slogging, there won't soon, or maybe ever, come a time when they can just relax and not wonder if their child needs anything.  My children are 6 and 3, and even now, my husband can grab a half hour of quiet to read a magazine and not worry that the children are in any danger.  

    So, not to poop in the fun pool here, but these two episodes, coming so close together and in the same location, certainly gave me a different perspective on all the nonsense we fret about as parents on a daily basis.

  • I rarely get (0 / 0)

    my nails done, but when I do, I often see a girl of seven or eight with her mom.  I, too, admit I do dream of taking Simone when she's a little older.  But I want her to see it as a very special thing, not a necessity or something she's entitled to.

    I genuinly think that the republican mentality--do whatever you want, whatever you can get away with, hoard as much as you want, you don't owe anybody anything--has a lot to do with our current materialistic society.  People have always  wanted things, but this is ridiculous.  When I was a teenager, and it wasn't that long ago, the word bling didn't even exist.  And at least among the people I knew, nobody wanted it.  Flaunting wealth was looked down upon.  A manicure never crossed my mind.  I think it's very sad that this tiny culture of the very wealthy gets so much press and makes poor and middle class kids feel even more deprived than ever.

    • Also (0 / 0)

      Another reason I don't get mani/pedis that often is that I feel uncomfortable being up in that chair with someone sitting below me servicing me. It feels like they are subservient. I think little girls doing this a lot would start to imagine that the manicurists are "less than."
      • I always feel weird (0 / 0)

        about that aspect, too.  It is even more disturbing to think of a little girl looking down at a manicurist and possibly feeling superior.  Good point.
        • It is (0 / 0)

          something of an equalizer in another way, though.  It's inexpensive around these parts, so it's a luxury that people who don't have much money can afford.  I used to find it odd to see women who didn't seem to pay much attention to anything else, yet always had perfect nails.  It's makes sense to me now, though.  It's accessible.
      • i am so glad (0 / 0)

        you commented on that --- one of the biggest reasons i don't like getting a pedicure with my daughter is that we are then both sitting in chairs which perch above two other women as if we are in an advantaged position....it creeps me out.  i have done it with my daughter a couple of times and i know she loves getting this luxury , BUT, each time (probably 3) it makes me uncomfortable.  when i have a pedicure on my own, i am never comfortable just vegging out, reading or just relaxing.  i want to engage the pedicurist in conversation because otherwise i feel weird and even more separate in ways that make me feel bad.  and even if it were inexpensive, which at $20 a pop (and then X 2), is not inexpensive to me,  i want to leave a generous tip, as i know these woman do not make great wages.
        • i love my manicurist! (0 / 0)

          while i don't indulge my daughter often, i DO get a manicure and pedicure EVERY 2 weeks and have for years.  I love the place i patronize...little spot on college in rockridge.  i have gotten to know the owner and all the employees, have watched them pregnant and bring in their babies.  all from vietnam.  the owner has 3 grown children and has put all 3 though college.  Her son graduated from UC Berkeley, daughter at Columbia University and I think the "baby" is at UC Davis.  She has built a great business.  yes, i tip well too... the foot masssage i rec'v with that pedicure is pure bliss. i truly admire these women. winnie the owner went back to vietnam for the first time a couple of years ago...and she brought me back a beautiful vase..so lovely. she played video tapes of her trip in the shop and the whole place was buzzing with laughter and sharing. she is the epitome of how fine this country can be. she found a way to make money, built a great business and she and her husband( who btw, sometimes comes in and does manicures)has given her children an incredible education.  

          melinda

  • Did you see they have Bling Barbies now? (0 / 0)

    • aaahhhh (0 / 0)

      oh christ! does it come with free "My Lumps" ringtone for matching cellphone?!?
      • It comes with a kid-sized ring (0 / 0)

        for the Barbie's owner to flaunt on her finger.  The ring has a REAL gemstone on it (very, very small--but real) surrounded by big plastic jewels.
          • My sentiments exactly! (0 / 0)

            • giant diamonds! (0 / 0)

              this is another area that just gives me pause.  what is with these huge diamond engagement rings? hey, i love jewelry as much as the next person, but isn't there something unseemly about sporting a diamond rock that costs soo much.  this goes along with my feeling about weddings i have attended of late....over the top.

              my husband offered me a beautiful 1920's diamond ring that he inherited from his parent's next door neighbor.  she was an older woman,never married and was ill.  she didn't want to go to a nursing home, so my husband moved in with her to care for her in her last mmonths.  he had recently divorced and was able to make this generous offer to be with her in her last months.  she died and left him her mother's wedding ring.  THAT ring means more to me than any $10,000, $50,000 or 1 million dollar ring ever could! I adore it and the man who gave it to me.  Bling? i get my own bling whenever i look down at my left hand.

              melinda

              • I hate the pressure to get a big diamond (0 / 0)

                When my husband and I were talking engagement, the only thing holding us up was a ring.  Neither of us had much money at the time, and I hated the idea that he'd have to spend money he didn't have just so we could say we were getting married.

                His mother and grandmother came through.  They offered up THEIR various engagement rings.  When he proposed, he held up all three rings (in a plastic baggy) and let me decide.  I went with his grandmothers' from the 30s. (His mom is twice-divorced--hers didn't seem to have good mojo).  I love the ring and would never want some big bling thing to replace it.

              • uh oh. (0 / 0)

                well, when i got married, we didn't even purchase wedding rings --- what was up with that?  my mother was beside herself when she realized that we didn't really care about rings, and so she gave me her gold wedding band which dh put on my finger and i wore for many many years....fast forward 20 years, and my dh surprised me christmas eve with quite a ring...i never thought i would love a diamond ring (ok shoot me), but i have to say, i do love that ring...the size didn't matter to me, but it did to him evidently....
                • Ha! (0 / 0)

                  Size seems to matter more to guys ...:)  Hey, getting a beautiful ring from your hubby is sweet and lovely, different deal.  My weirdness is over what feels like this competitive thing with women who get engaged. Add the weddings and the costs associated ...geez it feels kinda gross to me.

                   

                  • isn't that (0 / 0)

                    funny that size seems to be an issue in so many venues....i knew you would get a kick out of my comment --- i do love my ring because it was my dh that gave it to me, on bended knee in front of our children, as a complete and utter surprise, after 20 years of marriage.

                    and i agree with you parentalunit1, as usual....:>)

  • The Spa Thing & Young/Little Girls (0 / 0)

    Wow, never thought I would say this but I am so glad that I grew up poor!   I spent my valuable (and it really is) childhood time learning all the "tasks" I would need to be a decent human being type adult and it wasn't easy.  I can't imagine how much harder it would have been with the distractions kids have today.  I had my first manicure after I graduated college and began teaching.  Ditto for any kind of regular hair appointments.  No, this did not get to be a staple of my existence.  As a matter of fact, such stuff disappeared largely until I was in my late 50's.  I am in my mide 60's and have had only two facials.  Yes, they are absolutely the greatest thing since sliced bread.  I had skin specialists do them and they looked for early signs of skin cancer.  Bless them!  Luckily I had no such thing.  Pedicures are something that really should be held separately from the "beauty" thing.  Started getting them in my 60's when I had the definite impression my feet were actually falling apart!  A good pedicure is an absolute requirement for good mental health!  You can come out of one feeling like you are floating above ground!  And they are absolutely essential for diabetics or anyone coming from a family of diabetics. But dumping all this on kids??  And I do mean dumping in the worst sense.  No way!  I do admire those commenters who worked for their own money babysitting etc. and decided to spend it in this way, though.  And I agree with those comments about little girls becoming so accustomed to such a regime that they cannot adjust when necessary!
  • It's what's inside that counts (0 / 0)

    Of course, that doesn't mean you can't have nice nails, too.  I don't have a daughter, so it's all hypothetical, but if I did I might indulge in a few spa-things with her.  I'd just want to raise her to know 1). she's lucky;  2). it's not an entitlement and 3). she shouldn't judge people on the basis of their cuticles (lord help me if people judge me by my cuticles.  They are a mess).

    I love what Hillary said about putting things in perspective.  It's a luxury to worry about what message having manicures sends to our kids.

  • Alternate Bonding (0 / 0)

    Let me begin by saying I AM the kind of girl who get's her hair colored every 6-8 weeks.  When I'm 40, my hair will most likely be completly white and then, I'll let it go natural.  But when I started to have more grey than my mom at 25, I just wasn't ready.  My motto is, if I'm going to die it I might as well have fun, so the color changes completly abour every 6 months.
    I like nice clothes when I go out and about once a year I get a pedicure just because it feels so darn good.  

    That said, I hate to think of mother-daughter bonding centering around beauty rituals.

    How about:
    Hiking the Appalachian Trail
    Cooking a fabulous family dinner
    Reading a great book together
    1 on 1 Soccer
    Running a 5K together
    Watching a great movie and crying into our popcorn
    Jamming in the car to some tunes

    Those things seem to reflect more about the woman I want her to become rather than some pamperd princess.  Can you tell that this whole spa for kids thing just makes me mad?

  • Pedicures for the People (0 / 0)

    Seems to me the USA Today article is about class differences. Little girls on the Upper East Side have always had stuff that some of us scoff at and other of us envy.

    But what's so bad about regular pedicures and manicures? I didn't catch onto this til my 30s, but I wish I had started much earlier. It's like getting a haircut--basic grooming, IMHO. My hands and feet look kind of gross without them, and my own efforts are pretty sad.

    Now, I do have trouble finding the time to keep up with my hair and nails. But I aspire to good grooming. I hope the same for my daughter.

    I take my 8 year old for a pedicure once every couple of months. It makes a big difference--her nails are fragile and tend to rip off if left untended. My  attempts to fix up her toes were definitely not bonding experiences.

    A mani/pedi combination can be had in our neighborhood for about 15 bucks--not a budget breaker.

    Just to make it clear: I am an extreme leftist  and staunch feminist. No contradiction here to me.

    • boy, at $15 for both, I'd be wondering (0 / 0)

      what the women were getting paid for their labor. And how clean the place is. I recently saw a scary news story about the disfiguring fungal infections that can be caught from those pedicure tubs if they aren't scrupulously clean.

      Honestly, the couple of times I've been in for something like that (as an adult, with my mom) I've worried for the health of the women who are grinding away at those acrylic nails all day - they all had (inadequate) dust masks on - hung over only one ear so they didn't do a thing. And the fumes! Ick. Smelling that all day can't be good for you.

      • more mani/pedi deliberations :) (0 / 0)

        It takes an hour at most for both mani and pedi. I am guessing it's a minimum wage job, like many services. Plus tips. I don't know that for sure though. Work environment: no worse than others in this category of job, seems to me. So all of this sucks, but no more than a lot of other service businesses that we patronize.

        The fungal scare drove away biz from these type shops for a while, so they have gone to great lengths to guard against them. Who knows how effectively. I am taking my chances

        I don't  think I'd feel better, on the moral level, getting my regular pedi at a high priced shop or not getting it. But I do like going for the fancy pedi once a year or so with a girlfriend.

        We must be a rare group, huh, discussing the morality of manicures. But that;s why I like it here at MT.

        The mani/pedi must be one of the only things that is cheaper in SF than most of the country!

      • Same here (0 / 0)

        This was another reason I thought kids shouldn't be in those stinky nail salons -- those fumes are horrible. The nicer spa-type places are better in that regard, but they cost more. I'll treat myself now and then, most recently I went into a nice place in one of our outdoor malls on a whim. It's been a crazy past few months, and I felt like I deserved to spend $35 for someone to papmer me a little. Can't think of anything an average little girl needs to unwind from!
  • anon is me... (0 / 0)

    ...SF Mom of One
    • $15! (0 / 0)

      We don't have all the cheap nail shops here, which makes a mani/pedi an occasional luxury and not something I could see doing with my daughter, if I had one.  Your point about the grooming aspect is an interesting one, as my older son has the same demented big toes I do, and the occasional soak in hot water and serious attention to clipping is a necessary thing for him.

      When I was a kid, the big treat for me was playing hooky to go to the mall with my mother to shop for a special dress for a big occasion.  We'd get salads and make a big deal out of it.  I think that started when I was in fourth grade and we made a fuss over purchasing my first bra.

      For the record, we also went to Museums and camping...
      --Hillary

  • PS (0 / 0)

    I think men look better with cared-for nails, too. Sexy, really. Skipping the polish, of course.

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