Mother Talkers

mothering and empowerment (updated)

Sat Jul 08, 2006 at 08:47:43 PM PDT

*this is a rant i posted at my blog moments ago. i thought i would post it here as well*

lately i have been hearing far too many stories from family members about utter nonsense happening at hospitals when they are having their babies.

mind you, i did have a homebirth, but i am not anti-hospital. i just know how very well-informed, and well-prepared, you have to be to have a hospital birth and not get pushed around.

for instance, about two months ago my cousin called from home to tell me that she was having trouble and had not nursed for two days based on hospital doctors suggestion just before she left with her 2 day old baby. apparently he was jaundiced and the doctor said he needed not to nurse because of this. this is the most ludicrous thing i have ever heard. her pediatrician backed me up on this. sothe doctor caused her several days of hassle and trouble having to reintroduce the breast and get the baby used to nursing, because he told her to stop.

there is rarely ever a reason a mother cannot nurse her child. unless a mother is deathly ill, or on some serious, serious meds, she can nurse her baby.

my cousin was determined and everything has been peachy since she trusted her gut, consulted her pediatrician and the baby is a nursing champ.

fast forward to today, and this is what i am really burned up about right now.

jason's brother and his wife had a baby girl yesterday after two very hard days of labor, who they named Shyla. we get a call today about 530 with jacob telling us that the hospital has not let the mother see her baby since she was delivered, over 24 hours prior!!!!! this is simply unacceptable.

apparently, the rule is the infant cannot go back into the delivery room at this particular hospital, but they still did not have a real room ready for the mother. she has lots of stitches, etc, so they were telling her she could not get up.

pardon the expletive, but this is complete bullshit. this is the most important time for a mother to be with her child, for a family to bond. the hospital should go out of its way to make this happen. instead, the mother is sitting in a room for hours upon hours, not allowed to see her baby, the baby is being fed formula, when she wants to nurse her child.

needless to say i said my piece on the phone. jacob then went and talked to someone and made it happen. they got stacie into a wheelchair and got her to her baby, and now they have their own room and she is trying to nurse. unfortunately, they had just fed Shyla some formula in the nursery. how the hell is she going to want to eat mothers milk with a full belly?

which brings me around to more of my point. the state of things in our country is so messed up on so many levels. we give our power away right and left. we are taught to trust in establishment and we take that word as law. and i am here to say that once you become a parent, you are the law, damnit. you have a right to demand that you be given the respect that you deserve. this is your baby, not theirs. unless you or the baby are in serious harms way, you have a right to see your baby! you have a right to say do not feed it formula! you have a right to so much more than the schedule and whatever else might just make things easier for the hospital or the doctor who wants to play his freaking golf game!!!!

the thing is, i get so fired up about this, that i end up feeling like it is my responsibility to make these things happen. when really, it is not. it is each parent's. it is not my responsibility to make sure these things happen. i do feel it is my responsibility to share the knowledge and experience i have, but i cannot force it on people. it just breaks my heart when i hear mothers express to me that they want to do one thing, and then at the least they are not supported in that choice, at worst they are flippantly told they cannot do it, baselessly.

so please - if you are going to have a birth at a hospital, inform yourself! know your rights! you have more choices than they would care for you to know. empower yourself by informing yourself, please! otherwise the choices are not really choices.

if i had had childcare today, the Med would not have known what hit them. i would have swooped up in there and been like Sally Fields in irreconcilable differences, or whatever movie that is. thankfully, i called my midwife and she reminded me that the mother is really the only one who can put her foot down, that i have to be in her ear, but i cannot save her and the sanctity of her choices, only she can do that. such a lesson for me - that i cannot be everyone's hero, everyone's mother.

UPDATE: i spoke with my best friend who is a nurse in a neighboring hospital to the main one from this diary. she informed me that the environment that the nurses and doctors deal with there is one in which many mothers refuse to even touch their babies, send them to the nursery, and want to be left alone, even getting mad at infants for crying, etc, etc.

a far, far place from mothers who are happy to have their children. i made her stop telling me about it, because i was crying to hear these things.

so apparently, my SIL(? not sure they exact way to term her) is the exception to the rule there, and once she and jacob spoke up, they received support for their wishes. i imagine they were a nice change of pace for the staff there, once they realized what was really up.

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  • You sound like a gal (0 / 0)

    after my own heart.  Birth experiences were very important to me.  I first gave birth 22 years ago.  Talk about having to fight!  It was difficult finding doctors and hospitals that would offer even the most minimal of concessions.  Over the years, I went to great lengths to find providers.  I was often referred to as "crazy" or "obsessed".  Obsessed?  Well.  I did find providers, and other than the first pregnancy in which I experienced complications and was transferred to another, larger hospitals, I had GREAT experiences.

    You do have to inform yourself.  I always just cringe at many of the routine practices carried out in hospital deliveries.  I would encourage everyone to know what the real recommendations are and to insist upon those.  One of the big fights back in the 80's was against routine episiotomies and delivery tables in which one was strapped down in the classic position.  This was despite much research saying that both of these practices were not only unnecessary but also potentially harmful.

    I am very glad to hear that there are many younger women out there keeping up the good fight.  I have to admit to frustration when I hear of so many who are so passive about their birth experiences.  They just don't know what they are missing...I love the word "empowerment".  There is no greater empowerment in knowing that you accomplished this most difficult task in life by taking the leading role in your own experience.  The confidence that this leaves one with is beyond describing.

    I did have one homebirth...fairly unintentional...but a great experience.  Not one that I would reccomend for everyone but let me tell you, I have found few things as rewarding as knowing that could get through this, too.

  • It's shocking (0 / 0)

    that these things are still happening.  When my daughter was born, we were all in the same room the entire time, and no one, even relatives or hospital staff, was allowed to take her out of the room unless they were accompanied by her dad or me.  This was very strict hospital policy.  I feel very fortunate that our local hospital is more like a birthing center.

    A friend of mine had her in Memphis.  She tends to favor telling an entertaining story over the "truth," so I was never sure if her story was true.  But she told me that the hospital was called the Elvis Presley Women's Center, and when women go in to give birth, they just give them a gown and a barf bag and line them up in the waiting room for their c-sections.  

    • well, i have never heard of that.... (0 / 0)

      but i will say that the birth mentioned in the second half of my rant was at the Med, the public hospital, and i feel sure that part of the problem here was that the mother is on state health insurance, and therefore treated as 'less-than.'

      a far cry from some of the better hospitals in this city.

      We cannot defend freedom abroad by deserting it at home. - E.R. Murrow

      by lorin on Sun Jul 09, 2006 at 12:00:28 PM PDT

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  • It works the other way too (0 / 0)

    I am leaning towards some birthing choices that do not line up with the current "empowerment" movement, and let me tell you, I'm not receiving much support on that end either, from medical staff to friends & family, to almost-strangers.  It's been shocking to me to realize that no matter what you choose to do - or even explore doing - everyone feels the need to line up & tell you what you do or do not want.  Usually not even with the polite preface of, "Well, if it were me..."  It's frequently, "Trust me, you DON'T want that!"  I'm learning to keep my mouth shut.
    • i remember (0 / 0)

      your posts about some of your choices.

      from every impression i got, you are making informed ones. you know your options and your rights and you are taking the path that makes you feel most at ease and at home with your birthing.

      kudos to you! that is feminism, humanism, and mothering at their finest.

      these particular cases are people who have some idea of what they want, but have not fully informed themselves, or are young and unsure of how to deal with establishment, with all its officialness and intimidating appearances.

      my main thing is support, of whatever choices - no  matter what they are. to me you are making choices that empower you to feel the most comfortable, which i do not find at odds with what i was going for here.

      We cannot defend freedom abroad by deserting it at home. - E.R. Murrow

      by lorin on Mon Jul 10, 2006 at 09:22:43 AM PDT

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  • and don't forget the father, if he's there (0 / 0)

    When my son was born by c-section (unexpected) I was in recovery for 4 hours on another floor waiting for an orderly to become available to take me up to my room and hold my son for the first time. It was my husband's intervention -several times - during that four hours that kept them from giving Tommy formula. He knew how important it was.

    I had a birth plan, I knew so many details of what I wanted, and in the end almost nothing went the way I would have hoped. There were medical reasons for it, but this time around my eyes are more open to asking for options I wouldn't have thought to ask for last time. I'll be empowered, but in a different way.

  • My own similar rant (0 / 0)

    Don't even get me started on this, grrl!!!

    I carried my twins to just about 37 weeks and they were in a transverse breech position the entire time.  I had a doc with enough twin experience who was willing to try to deliver vaginally, but they just never got to the right position.  So I had resigned myself to a c-section, but I was absolutely determined that I was going to breastfeed those babies.  I engaged a postpartum doula who was the head of outpatient lactation services at my hospital, which will remain unnamed but is one of the top 10 children's hospitals in the country and is supposedly dedicated to breastfeeding.

    The babies weighed 4.13 and 5.11 at birth.  Otherwise they were completely fine and required no stay in the NICU.  About a 10% weight loss is to be expected in the first couple of days, but still can cause concern in infants that small.

    They were born at 6:44 and 6:48 p.m. on a Sunday.  About 24 hours later--and just after the 9-5 lactation consultant had vacated the premises for the day, one of the pediatric residents began insisting that we were going to have to give the babies bottles.  I was absolutely adamant that I would not, and my poor DH had to shuttle between me, bedridden, and the doctor in the nursery.  At one point they nearly came to blows, and the pediatric resident ACTUALLY THREATENED TO REMOVE OUR INFANTS FROM OUR CARE AND PUT THEM IN THE NICU WITHOUT OUR CONSENT IF WE WOULD NOT GIVE THEM BOTTLES.  He claimed that the supplemental nursing systems ("SNS"--used to help avoid nipple confusion in these circumstances) were "locked up and a cabinet and they couldn't get to them."

    I am a partner in a large law firm and I am used to advocating for my rights.  I cannot imagine what would happen to others under these circumstances.  But I refused to give up.  I called my doula, and she explained to us how to rig an SNS out of "french 5 tubing" and a syringe.  We did it so that the babies were nursing at the breast with a small tube, so my breasts continued to be stimulated and they also received nourishment that they had to work to draw down out of the syringe with their suction.  We had never needed to give them a bottle with a nipple.  After two and one-half weeks I had sufficient milk to feed my twins exclusively at the breast, and did so for months thereafter.  We didn't give them bottles until we were convinced they could latch properly and it would not cause problems.

    The idea that the pediatric nurses and residents did not have this knowledge despite their supposed support for breastfeeding remains staggering to me to this day.  Every twin mom I know I tell this story and I make sure they go into the hospital armed with the knowledge they need.  It still causes me to get red in the face with anger when I think about it.

    • Wow (0 / 0)

      Considering I weighed 5.13 FULL term, that's fantastic that your twins were such a healthy birth weight!

      It just further supports the idea that we all have to be our own advocates in ALL aspects of medical care.

  • I hear stories (0 / 0)

    And sometimes, I can't believe they're happening in 2006!  I was lucky that my hospital was so focused on mother and child and bent over backwards to accomodate both.  I always tell my friends to remember that they are boss and can do whatever (within reason) they want with their kid.  Screw hospital protocol.  If no one will speak up on their behalf, I tell them to give me a call.  Luckily, most of them have OBs and/or pediatricians who have stepped into this century and realize that women can make their own intelligent decisions regarding the new baby.
  • Heart Breaking stories......wow! (0 / 0)

    Our local hospital was wonderful, they offer in-room birthing, very few patients at any given time and the nursing staff were very knowledgeable and accomodating.  So much so I wrote a very heart-felt thank you to the staff after my first child was born.  

    I wanted to wait to have the umbilical cord cut to lessen the stress my baby felt during birth, I had read many articles and decided I wanted to do it.  Both times giving birth, the nurses and doctors happily accomodated me, agreeing with me that yes, in fact it does reduce the trauma of birth the baby feels.

    It was beautiful lying there with my baby on my belly, still relying on my body to give him (and her) what he needed, there was no crying, no stress, just a few minutes of peace and quiet.  I'm glad we had the option, I'm glad my doctor wasn't in a rush to get out of the hospital, he was wonderful.

    My kids weren't vaccinated at the hospital, the staff was alright with that too.  I had alot of help with my first child from a nurse who taught us how to nurse, she stayed with us for 6 hours during the middle of the night, two days later she walked us out of the hospital to the car and checked our infant seats, we took a picture of she and I holding my son, Zion.  It sits on our book case full of other pictures, but I'll never forget her, she was there too when my daughter Hannah was born.

    I have very fond memories of birthing my children.  I wish more mothers did.  I wish I could buy a subscription to Mothering Magazine for all new mothers, it's such a loving approach to motherhood, and I am so happy I found this site.

    A mother understands what a child does not say.

    by flower patch on Tue Jul 11, 2006 at 11:33:02 AM PDT

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