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Bored by motherhood

Thu Jul 27, 2006 at 12:34:33 PM PDT

Wow.

Thanks to a link on Blogging Baby, I just finished reading this stupifying column published in London's The Daily Mail. I know the previous post was all about us moms supporting each other's choices and all, but I want to track this woman down and throttle her.

Helen Kirwan-Taylor is a 42-year-old writer and also the mother of two sons, and she finds them painfully boring.

How boring, you ask?

My children have got used to my disappearing to the gym when they're doing their prep (how boring to learn something you never wanted to learn in the first place).

They know better than to expect me to sit through a cricket match, and they've completely given up on expecting me to spend school holidays taking them to museums or enjoying the latest cinema block-boster alongside them. (I spent two hours texting friends throughout a screening of Pirates Of The Caribbean the other day).

Am I a lazy, superficial person because I don't enjoy packing up their sports kit, or making their lunch, or sitting through coffee mornings with other mothers discussing how Mr Science (I can't remember most of the teachers' names) said such and such to Little Johnny and should we all complain to the headmaster.

At this point in the conversation, my mind drifts to thoughts of my own lunch and which shoes I plan to wear with what skirt.

Any sane mother will admit that there are many mind-numbing aspects to raising children: the routine, the repetition, the daily drudgery.

But this woman makes her kids sound like a nuisance, two bothersome obstacles to what she really enjoys: shopping sprees and workouts.

Which is all fine and dandy; she is convinced that her refusal to coddle or cater to her boys has made them independent and imaginative.

But she is also convinced that to enjoy full-time motherhood, you more or less need to be lobotomized:

And yet many women have spent years studying and then working so that we would not have to do a job as menial as full-time motherhood. I consider spending up to 30 hours a week sitting behind the wheel of a 4x4, dropping children off at play centres or school, to be a less-than-satisfactory reward for all those years of sweat.

Besides, in my view, making a child your career is a dangerous move because your marriage and sense of self can be sacrificed in the process.

I'm really put off by her snide, condescending tone. I am sure much of it was calculated to incite reaction, and from the comments at the end of the column, she succeeded.

Most readers called her selfish and sad, while some praised her for echoing their throughts.

As a working mom, I wish I had the opportunity to take several years off and stay home with my children. So I tend to agree with this comment by Imogen, from Manchester:

I have a one year old son, and am regularly bored to tears by the mind numbingly repetitive domesticity that comes with a baby, but never bored by my son in the way the writer describes. Yes, sometimes I am bored by reading the same old story again and again, or chasing him up the stairs for the fifteenth time, but the point is - I do it. I spend time with my son; sometimes it's boring, sometimes it's fun, most of the time it is just pottering about together and enjoying each other's company.

I hate competitive mothers, and I really hate the way that mothers are constantly judged but this article really shocked me. I feel sorry for Helen's children. I would feel upset if that was my mum writing about me. Spending time with your children and doing your best to enjoy them is not being enslaved by them. It all begs the question - why on earth have children if this is how you feel?


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UPDATE: For a refreshing take on motherhood (and a complete counterbalance to our friend Helen), read this My Turn column from Newsweek, about a formerly self-absorbed woman whose twins put things in perspective.

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  • It's the Daily Mail (0 / 0)

    It doesn't surprise me. I have a bit of a phobia about the amount of laundry there is these days. The taking the stuff out of the basket, into the machine, out of machine, drying on a line, folding and putting away makes me want to scream HELP ME HELP ME! But I do it because I want us all to wear clean clothes. THere is no alternative. Reading the same story again and again can get draining but I do it because she loves her favourite books. She LOVES it and I love being able to give her pleasure. And I like watching her learn and develop. Watching her grow into her own person makes me really happy.

    I know I go on and on about mummy wars, etc, but I really can't understand those who find their children boring. Or can't be arsed to be interested in their teachers or their hobbies. They are almost denying the things that make up the major portion of their childrens' daily life.

    It's sad because I feel sorry for the children, incase they are desperate for their mother to deem them entertaining enough to listen to and take note of. They might grow up feeling that they had nothing to offer.

    Actually, if I am honest, if makes me really pissed off. I know from reading one hell of a lot of child abuse survivor blogs that mental cruelty is remembered as vividly as physical abuse. Most survivors remember not feeling worthy or of value.

    I agree with the last par of the post. Why have children if you feel you can't involve yourself if their lives and enjoy your life with them alongide you? Get a pet instead.

    Oh dear, I am ranting. Apologies.

    • can you expand? (0 / 0)

      I know nothing about UK newspapers. Is this typical for that publication? Do they tend to publish contrarian pieces that are sure to instigate a flame war?
      • very routine Daily Mail behavior (0 / 0)

        Apologies in advance, Emily - correct me if I'm wrong! First, the Mail is a conservative publication. Second, it's a tabloid. Put the two together, and you get a lot of this nonsense on a regular basis.
        • It is very right wing in terms of editorial. (0 / 0)

          It is usually concerned with immigrants bringing down middle-class house prices and it is pretty women-bashing (with plenty of women-bashing female columnists). It, and its sister paper The Evening Standard, usually has headlines like: "SHOT MAN ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT ON BENEFITS!" That headline was about the poor electrician that was accidentally shot by police who thought he was part of the 7/7 terrorist ring (and who we now know was totally innocent).

          Most journalists declare it the one paper they would never write for.

    • Agree (0 / 0)

      I love your post...I would just say to people like this, don't get a pet either! They demand quite a bit of care also, interfere with doing what you want to do when you want to do (a dog's gotta walk!), and taking care of them can be boring and tedious sometimes too.

      Get a plant.  A fake one.

  • Is there any chance (0 / 0)

    that this is satire?  Or maybe I just can't imagine that any mother could really feel this way.  I'm not familiar with The Daily Mail, so I don't know what kind of reputation it has.

    I enjoy my daughter every day.  It steals nothing from my sense of self or my marriage.  Certain tasks are tedius, but Simone is not.  Helen expressed it quite well.

    My gut tells me that Kirwan-Taylor knows that she is an incompetent mother and is projecting her insecurities onto other women.  It's easier than admitting that she is the one who has gotten into a situation that she's incapable of handling.  Because no, motherhood is not a job that just anyone can do.  

    • Sadly not. (0 / 0)

      It doesn't see itself as a tabloid but as an occuping a position midway between the tabloid and broadsheet divide, covering much of the same celebrity ground as the tabloids but positioning itself as a more upmarket "middle class" publication (from Wiki).

      It is the sort of newspaper for those in middle England who want to deem all the poor and deprived "chavs" who do nothing but smoke, drink, wear cheap clothes and sponge off the state. It is all about how they have to pay such high taxation to support those who, they believe, can't be arsed to work.

      Would you agree with that synopsis, Rachel?*

      *PS I am a liberal, so this is not going to be my favourite paper!

      • not mine, either! (0 / 0)

        Didn't want to say anything about Middle England, just in case you happened to hail (geographically, not intellectually, of course!) from that area of Blighty!

        Not being English, I always found the Mail mostly laughable, because it seems such a caracature, even worse than the Torygraph.

  • Who the hell has time (0 / 0)

    to be bored?  Especially with small children.  I admit I'm a little bored now that my kids are all older and don't occupy so much of my time, but I think that's pretty normal.

    Yeah, I hate housework.  I always have.  It has nothing to do with having children.  My joke has always been that I just can't like doing work that one could train a monkey to do.  

    However, one must separate out kids from housework.  Are there some activities that I don't enjoy?  Sure...I am not a sports mom.  Doesn't mean I don't like my kids, it means I don't like sports.  I also like to have some time away from kids...but honestly, most trips that my husband and I have taken without them I just end up thinking "gee, I can't wait to bring the kids back here and show them this".  

    For a long time, I did  a lot of volunteer work.  This was never boring...in fact, I wager that it was much more interesting than most paying jobs would have been.  If I had had to work at a paying jobs, I doubt if I would have had time for these pursuits.

    Every now and then, life is a little boring, but I was an only child for a very long time...I think I've just learned how to entertain myself.  I can do this with seven kids running in and out of my house or without them.

  • I read about this earlier today (0 / 0)

    on the ovusoft.com forums (the main board I read everyday).  I somehow managed to get through the entire thing, even though I was disgusted by what she wrote long before the end.  She shouldn't have had kids if she was expecting them to be her 24/7 source of entertainment.  One ovusoft.com poster suggested that perhaps the entire point of this article was to get as much publicity as they can.  

    I know that I'm not actually a mother yet (27 days til my EDD!) so I don't have experience in caring for a child, but I still believe that if you are expecting your kid(s) to be entertaining enough that you won't miss whatever life you had pre-baby, you're having kids for the wrong reasons.  I really feel sorry for her children.

    • Yes! (0 / 0)

      It't not your children's job to be entertaining.  She also calls motherhood mind-numbing and implies that it is beneath her dizzying intellect.  But her alternative activities are shopping and getting her hair highlighted.  
      • EXACTLY. (0 / 0)

        I kept thinking the same thing... so she thinks shopping, getting her hair done, thinking about what shoes to wear, or texting her friends (what is she, a 12-year-old?) are more entertaining than spending time with her children?

        Gross.

        • I agree (0 / 0)

          I am sometimes bored by what I have to do in being a parent, but I am NEVER bored by my daughter herself.  Yes it's boring to play the same card game (she's obsessed with 'War') over and over.  But SHE is not boring.  This woman sounds like she belongs in a rich Victorian household where the parents just engendered and popped out the kids and then went back to the drawing room while the hired help raised them.  She went to college all those years she mentions, in order to text her friends and match her shoes to her skirts?  Idiot.
      • this is (0 / 0)

        about the writer's inabilities, and has no reflection on her children.  and i too, feel extremely saddened for her children -- what a complete and utter rip off for them.  

        i'll look forward to their writing in future years about what a disengaged and boring mom they had.

    • I kept waiting to read (0 / 0)

      what it was that she actually enjoyed doing...is that this woman just needs others to keep her from being bored?  She does sound as if she expected her kids to keep her entertained.   Face it, much of real life is boring...and it has little to do with kids and everything to do with our own expectations.
  • The Distinction (0 / 0)

    I think it's important to make a distinction. I get bored with the menial task list that I must do to keep family life humming along, yet I do not get bored with my son, the person. I get bored cleaning and drawing his bath, but not with seeing an hearing how much fun he has playing in the water with his motorboat.

    Looking ahead, I anticipate that Jude'll be into sports, and I'll be there to cheer him on. Not every game for sure, but enough to convey delight and enthusiasm for his participation. Same thing if he enters a science fair or plays a recital.

    This may be optional, but it feels like something I want to give. If I want to give it and enjoy it, then it's not a sacrifice.

    I wonder how Helen KT expresses delight in her children's being.

    • hee (0 / 0)

      you wrote:

      I wonder how Helen KT expresses delight in her children's being.

      My guess: by acknowledging their existence before she heads out to her spa appointment?

      I know that sounds bitchy....but man, that column ticked me off.

      I agree, Amy, about the distinction between the boring menial tasks that come with parenting, and your children. But nowhere in the column does she say anything nice about her children, what makes them special, why she loves them, what (if any) joy they bring her. The closest she comes is saying they are independent because they don't rely on her for entertainment.

      But she does make it painfully clear that she finds them boring. Then again, it sounds like they're bored by her, too.

      • Yeah, (0 / 0)

        I was bored by her whining, too.
      • I'm Bored! (0 / 0)

        Whenever I used to say that as a kid, my grandpa would say, "maybe you're just boring." It would usually snap me out of my whiny rut, and I'd think, "hmmm, could he be right?" Then I'd go figure out something to do.

        I've noticed that as a mom, the times when I feel like withdrawing from engaging with my child are when I feel insecure about how I am as a parent. It's an overwhelming feeling sometimes, and I wonder if this woman is actually depressed, not bored.

  • Yes, taking care of others... (0 / 0)

    in general, can sometimes be tedious and boring. But I cringe when I read articles like these because it doesn't mention the joy one gets from parenting. (Otherwise, who in their right mind would choose to become one?!)

    Two weekends ago I had former work colleagues over for dinner. Markos and I embarrassingly couldn't stop talking about Ari and Jude -- the funny things they'd say, their quirks, trips we have made. We showed off Ari's artwork: he drew all over our patio furniture with chalk. "I can't wait when he's taller, to finish off the screen door!" Markos said. To Helen, this would be an absolutely pathetic scene.

    But the wife of the couple -- who are considering adoption, by teh way -- said, "You know, you two are the first to sound like you actually enjoy being parents. We only hear bad things."

    It made me sad. Sure, parenting is hard and no doubt we complain at times. When Ari wakes me up at 7 a.m. on Saturdays to pour him a bowl of cereal, I fantasize about my college days when I'd sleep until 1 in the afternoon. But overall, I cannot fathom not having him. This summer has been extra fun with the weekend outings and lazy afternoons with Amy and Jude. Our boys are growing up and it's thrill to watch and experience.

    • 7 am!!! You get to sleep till 7 am!!! (0 / 0)

      Most days, the toddler and I are up at 5:00 or 5:30.  One day, he slept till 6:00 and we thought something was wrong with him.  I think it has been over a year since I slept till 6:00 am.

      OK--enough griping and onto the substance of the discussion.  I agree with everyone that this woman is a nightmare, and I also feel VERY sorry for her children, but there is one thing she said that I agree with one thing she said: "Making your child your career is a dangerous move."

      Parenting is not a career; it's, well, PARENTING!!!  It's guiding and protecting a young child, nuturing his independence and self-esteem, watching him blossom into the amazing person he is.  It's loving no matter what happens.  It's building a relationship that will hopefully last for decades.  It's cleaning up...spilled juice, torn paper, broken hearts.  It's being there to celebrate triumphs.  It's setting limits.  It's carrying a tantruming toddler out of the mall.  It's being ready to let go when the time is right.

      To think of it a career is to make it something it's not--a profession.  To think of it as a career is to make the child something he's not--a product (or, worse, a resume of the MOTHER's achievements).

      OK--that was a fair bit of ranting.  I really should get to bed.

      • ooh, I empathize (0 / 0)

        My 13-month-old daughter must have gotten the same memo as your son. DH and I take turns with getting up with her on the weekend, so one of us can have the luxury of a "sleep in" until 7.30 or 8! And I am not a morning person. But Herself is always so chirpy and pleased to see us that it's almost impossible not to smile!

        You make a really great point though - very well put. If this is what this lady maybe meant, she needs you as a spokeswoman!

        • Thanks! (0 / 0)

          Oh, I forgot to mention that he often wakes up at about 3:00 am.  The easiest way to get him back to sleep is to simply lay down with him on the futon (which we always keep open).  Then, I get to wake up to him rolling on top of my face at 5:00 am.  
          • ours too! (0 / 0)

            I often find the same thing - easiest to bring Jess to bed with us rather than spend hours pacing the floors trying to rock her to sleep! Jess also likes to wake us by plopping on our heads. <voice like Robert Duvall in "Apocalypse Now"> I love the smell of baby diapers in the morning... It smells like ...  victory. </Kilgore voice>

            I have a cousin with a baby that's about 15 months old, and they have the same experience - early riser, prone to the 3 a.m. waking too.

            How old is yours?

            • He's 17 months (0 / 0)

              His older brother did the same thing to me, but then he outgrew it and sleeps like a champ (however, not until I'd spent WAY more nights than necessary sleeping on the floor of his room, squeezed onto his toddler matress).
          • Ari's 2.5... (0 / 0)

            and his sleep patterns have been very inconsistent. I have to say that as a parent, the sleep deprivation was hardest for me! Before I became a mom, I used to nap on the weekends and sleep at least 9 hours a night.

            But Ari didn't sleep through the night for the first 9 months of his life. Oh, and he took six twenty-minute naps rather than an hour, or so. I thought I was going to crack I was so freakin tired!

            After I let him "cry it out" for about 50 minutes, he started sleeping through the night. Since then, I'll get days he climbs into bed with us at 3 a.m. or 5 a.m. -- although DH just put a stop to that recently. (He couldn't deal with Ari kicking him.) We're mean. We make him sleep in his own bed.

            Now we're in this rare honeymoon phase where he is sleeping through the night until as late as 7:30 a.m. It's nice. But as someone who loved sleep, the early wakeup calls are, by far, the hardest thing for me as a parent. I dealt with nursing alright, the routine, I can deal with the tantrums, playing and everything else. But if I could do anything for a significant block of time, it would be to take a nap.

            • amen sister (0 / 0)

              I miss my sleep! everything else is a fairly minor detail. But this will pass... she can't be an inconsistent sleeper forever! and I remind myself that she's so damn pleased to see us even in the wee small hours that it's hard to be cranky for too long!
              • It gets a bit better (0 / 0)

                Eventually, it works out.  We have one who likes to stay up all hours and one who goes to bed at a decent hour, but who likes to visit us at precisely 4:30 am about four nights out of seven.

                My lack of sleep stems from my stealing time for myself late at night to surf and blog and also from getting up at stupid o'clock to run.  Unlike the bored mom, I don't take the time away from the kids to go to the gym.  But, of course, I am a working mom, so my time with my kids is more limited.

                Know what I'm bored of?  Working for someone else!  I want to be my own boss, have my own business.  Lawdy I am bored to tears of dealing with office politics, other people's agendas, other people's wardrobe expectations, people whose politics disgust me but I have to be nice to....that's boring!

                • Hey chica, (0 / 0)

                  How is that business plan for the coffee shop coming along? I've got my fingers crossed for you!

                  Oh yeah, I know they are young for such a short amount of time. Also, he's got the cutest dimpled smile in the morning -- I can't help scooping him up in my arms and kissing him all over. (It's amazing where that burst of energy comes from, eh?)

                  • so yummy! (0 / 0)

                    they are just so yummy, even when they are six, they can still melt your heart with a smile or a kiss or a snuggle, trust me!

                    My coffee house has to remain a dream/goal while we figure out how to pay the mortgage and health insurance without my job.  Sometimes I feel like it'll never happen if I don't just "do it," but the practical working class girl in me hesitates.

                    Husband needs a job with benefits.  How do you guys do it?

                    • Don't lose faith. (0 / 0)

                      You are still young, and it's something you can do when the boys are older. Maybe it can be their first jobs as teenagers. :-)

                      Yes, take baby steps like Rachel said like scope out locations and write a business plan. Something to think about when starting a business is that it takes so much TIME. Speaking of 80-hour work weeks...when my husband did the consulting, I thought it was going to be the end of us. I never saw him.

                      Now that his business is established and the book tour is over, he is home. But he did miss out on Ari's first year of life with all the time he spent hunkered in front of the computer, not to mention traveling. Maybe it's not a good idea to start a business with small children.

                      But when they are older, by then, hopefully your DH will have a better idea of what he wants to do, even go for additional schooling. I understand where he's coming from: I was in the workforce for such a short amount of time that it would be hard to re-enter. (Thus, why I am back in school.) But the good thing about being home, it gives you time to think about the future, what's next, etc.. Don't worry, Hillary. It'll work out.

                  • gotta start somewhere! (0 / 0)

                    Hil, I feel for you on the healthcare front. I am grateful every day to live in a country with universal healthcare! Reminds me of Chapter "H"  in the Motherhood Manifesto!

                    Putting that to the side (right. Like the old joke, "aside from that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?"), have you at least started a business plan? If not, why not start there? At least if you've done the research and costing, you know what you're looking at. You may find that it's not so out of reach, and it's a step towards what you want. Even if it's just a matter of getting the book on how to write business plans (which is where I am at!), it's a small psychological step towards that end goal.

                    Not to get all New Age-y, either, but I'd apply the same mentality that gets you training for marathons to this - it's a long, slow process, but each step builds to the crossing line. I think that in many ways, long distance running, motherhood and entrepreneurship are all really well suited to each other - after conquering a marathon and/or learning the skills to be a mother, shoot, starting your own business is practically a cakewalk! (benefits aside)

                    • yep (0 / 0)

                      that's correct.  One step/one foot in front of the other.  And the many steps before opening your doors are some of the most important (and time saving) and definitely should not be rushed.

                      Business plan and dreaming, doodling, designing are all a part of making it all come true.

                      One night while surfing....try googling "coffee shop business plans"  you might be surprised how many are out there to view...might get your juices (opps - coffee) flowing.

                      • Thanks Anne and Rachel, too! (0 / 0)

                        I know you are right, and I have taken some baby steps towards writing a business plan and scoping out locations and such, but being the full-time worker and then the demands of the wee ones when I get home make finding time very difficult -- I know you guys can relate.  My "free" time is generally spent either running or doing Democratic politics stuff locally, which I think is really important.

                        I just have to help facilitate my husband's reentry into the work force so we can better plan.  Our decision to sacrifice income so one of us could be home with the kids is one we'll never regret, but well, you know, sometimes it's hard to keep that perspective!

                        • what, (0 / 0)

                          you don't have five minutes left over after being mom/wife/lover/full-time worker/marathoner-in-progress/rockin'-Democrat-activist/friend/daughter/sibling, etc., etc. to plan the successful launch of your coffee shop empire? Aw, shucks! ;-)

                          I know what you mean about busy, and I know you're at a crossroads right now with your family life. This is not a bad thing, of course - I think you and your husband will find out many good things about yourselves in this process. Just never stop dreaming, my dear!

      • yes! (0 / 0)

        you are right on the mark....its not a profession.
      • 8 to 8 (0 / 0)

        I feel a little indulgent because I get up at 8! We started young with our daughter, not getting her out of bed the minute she woke up every morning. Now, she wakes up and rests with her toys and sings until I come get her. It really is so nice, but I wish I could get up at 6 to get some things done before she gets up. I'm a night person, though, so I rarely get to bed before midnight, and my good intentions fly out the window every morning.
  • I hae to admit... (0 / 0)

    that when I first had Karina, almost 12 years ago, this was how I felt. I didn't like being married, didn't like being pregnant and didn't like being a mom. I was young, stupid and VERY selfish.

    This "mother" isn't bored. She's depressed and emotionally unavailable. What I worry about are her kids...two BOYS. Imagine the kind of relationships they're going to be seeking. Destructive, abusive and dysfunctional relationships with emotionally unavailable women. Just like their mother.

    I have to say that now that Karina is going to be 12 next month, and Cristian is 7, I have nothing but good things to say about being a mother. I love it. I enjoy sitting in the living room with my kids, and just talking to them. They're interesting (often more interesting that adults I know), funny (again, often funnier than adults I know), and SO intelligent.

    • The Question "Why Have Kids?" (0 / 0)

      I don't think a lot of people really know whether they are going to like --or be good at--parenting before they actually take the plunge. I've known parents (of all ages-not just young ones) who really resented the selflessness that was required. They still wanted to be the center of the universe.

      When I was in my early 20s, I lived with a much older boyfriend with 2 kids. I was not ready to be a mom, but found myself in a step-mom kind of situation. I was selfish and mostly unavailable and I hope I didn't do those kids too much damage!

    • You know, I thought about this, too... (0 / 0)

      That she could possibly be depressed. you beat me to it, Gloria. I was even considering blogging about this Salon story on the "Baby Blues," but figured I can include it in this discussion.

      According to this story, more women -- oftentimes mothers! -- than men suffer from depression. It's like 12 million of 19 million cases! Because mothers are expected to be on top of their game in this ultracompetitive world, it may be embarrassing for an obvious perfectionist like Helen to admit vulnerability. Better to blame it on "boredom."

      I could be wrong and she may simply view kids as accessories like a Prada handbag. But I have to admit, some of the whining sounded like depression to me...

  • I admit to having (0 / 0)

    "Take this job and shove it" moments.   I often joke that I'm totally unsuited to being a housewife and if I weren't sleeping with my boss I would have been fired by now.   I do get tired of being last on the list and of being everyone's servant.  
     I'm not going to read the article because I suspect I'll vomit if I have to read about someone who would rather shop than read to their kids and then I'd just have to clean that up.  

    "As God is my witness, I thought turkeys could fly"

    by lonestar canuck on Thu Jul 27, 2006 at 03:53:21 PM PDT

  • I think it's human (0 / 0)

    to sometimes want to run screaming for the door. At least I hope so, or else I'm in trouble! But the difference is for most of us - and it seems like all of us MTers - we stop a minute, get a grip/suck it up/have a cup of coffee or glass of wine (depends on the time of day!) and just get on with it! Plus, I find that for every moment when I think "what have I done here?", I get at least 10 moments where my heart just melts seeing Jess.

    Yes, there are aspects of being a mother that really suck - housework, and definitely having to do the 8th daily reading of "Mother Goose Nursery Rhymes". It's also tough, at least for me, to try and get my freelance work done without getting up super-early or staying up super-late. Would I like to be able to report, research and write an article in a normal fashion - without being interrupted constantly? Yup. At the sacrifice of not being a mother? No way!

    I'm hoping this woman is exaggerating for effect, because if not, I think she may have some serious issues to think about.

  • excuse the length of (0 / 0)

    this comment, but i suddenly am incensed at the writing in this article when i think of my 36 year old daughter in law who is in a fight for her life as she battles bone cancer and the change to live on for her children, herself and her family.  

    Read her words:

    We had a nice weekend in Palm Desert with 2 other young families. The girls had so much fun being at the pool and playing with their friends. It felt good to be away enjoying family fun. We brought Aaron's mom so I could take it easy and stay out of the sun as much as possible. This isn't the place to go to avoid the sun; so it was a challenge. Peighton and I had some magical moments in the hotel room as she was getting ready for her nap. She and I were dancing to music from the Ipod speakers. She will stand on the floor nod her head up and down like she is saying yes while the music is playing. Then she gives a small bounce in the knees. If she bounces too hard, she looses her balance which would make her giggle even harder. I want both of them to know how much I love to dance. Music always puts me and my spirits in a good mood. I have always danced around with them, but know the feeling of joy it brings weighs much more heavily than it ever did before. First of all, to feel like dancing feels like a treat! To be able to do it with them is pure icing on the cake. Irelyn tries to copy moves, so we giggle with each other too. Peighton kissed me 4 times in a row after our dance lesson. Then she would lay her head on my chest so content. Then she would put her lips up in air for another kiss. Pure Bliss! While we there I started to read a book I was gifted about Mother's with Cancer. I love this book as it has given many of my thoughts a voice. I haven't completed it but loved reading what other moms feel and think. One of the quotes in the book is "to be a mom with cancer is to live life with a broken heart." Tears started flowing because it registered with my heart and mind. My heart is broken knowing unspoken promises a parent makes which were once "givens" in life, may not be able to be kept. Promises like watching your children start elementary school, playing sports, loving them unconditionally, teaching them to be good people, being there for bedtime, sharing you life story with them, graduations, marriages, helping raise grandchildren. I know anyone can face the loss of these at any time, but when you have cancer or any prolonged disease these unspoken promises stare you in the face every day. It does leave me with a broken heart. I know not until my children have babies of their own will they understand 100% the magnitude of my love for them. Having your baby hold you, love on you, kiss you, how children want to share everything from pooh-pooh to a leaf with you, these are daily gifts only a parent knows. When this times come from them, they will understand the depths of this pain I often feel with the uncertainties I face. It's almost like not being there for them is more painful then death itself. The thought of leaving them motherless is almost too hard to imagine. So, I don't on most days. The thing with cancer is the Doctor doesn't say if you do you the chemo, radiation and surgery I guarantee you will be cancer free. It's more like, let's do this. ... . and then pray like hell it doesn't come back (especially the first 5 years). I am out of time. I will write more upon my return from LA.

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    Yes, indeed, children and time with them are PRECIOUS.  It makes me angry to think of someone who is so cavalier about the sacred gift of children.

    I wonder how the author of the article would feel if she were fighting for her life.

    • ...this made me cry... (0 / 0)

      Your daughter-in-law's words perfectly captured what an immense privilege it is to have children. It's those small moments of bliss, when they are dancing or giving you kisses, that make it all worthwhile.

      A pity the woman who wrote this column just keeps pushing this gift aside.

    • So moving. (0 / 0)

      The only thing that keeps me up at night anymore is the thought that I will leave my children motherless, or that I will lose them.  Once you're a parent, you are a liar if you say these things don't come into your mind daily.

      I will hope for the very best for your family.

      • A horrible moment (0 / 0)

        I was watching that same Nightline the other night, the one with Markos' interview, and they showed a story about what's going on in Lebanon. There was footage of an evacuation boat, and how a mother who had already boarded was somehow separated from her young sons. The soldiers wouldn't let her off the boat, and pulled away, and her children -- a boy of maybe 7, and another about 2 -- were on the dock screaming after her. Her anguish was so upsetting, and her little boys' faces were so full of fear that I am still unable to get it out of my mind. I thought of my own 2-year-old safe upstairs in her room, and just felt heartbroken for that woman.
    • Oh , Karen.... (0 / 0)

      You don't know how what your family is going through touches me.  

      I lost the best friend I ever had, my beautiful, wonderful, sister in law, back in 1993 to a brain tumor.  She was only 39, and had a housefull of young children, too.  Tragically, her condition was diagnosed shortly after the birth of her last child.  She died a year later.  

      A couple of years after this, I gave birth to my last child.  I developed an uncommon cardiovascular disorder....luckily, I DID NOT die...but remembering my sister in law, I got through, and still get through.  Health problems are never easy, but everytime I start feeling sorry for myself, I remember that the worst has not happened...I'm still here.  

      Your daughter-in-law is going through something far worse than what I go through, but you know, as strange as it sounds, when she comes through to the other side, she will be grateful.  There is nothing like a glimpse of our own mortality to really provide perspective.  We can, and do, stand a whole lot...we are much stronger than we ever think we are.  

      All of my prayers and good thoughts are with  you and your family.  I know it doesn't seem like it, but there are people who understand.  Don't let the isolation close in on you.

      • xoxox (0 / 0)

        love and kindness is always a good tonic and so healing...

        the words on this blog from mothers i do not know are very powerful and supportive and i deeply appreciate it.

        you too have seen and experienced an enormous amount.  and, i believe, that no one gets through a well-lived life without deep wounds.  but, we are resilient and amazingly able to grit our teeth and get through it.  sometimes it doesn't seem like it.

        i am very sorry for the loss of your sister-in-law.  those wounds never go away, but we do learn to live with them and it is my hope that we grow more compassionate for others through  living with our own hurts and disappointments.

        i deeply appreciate your compassion and that of the other MTs....it is a saving grace.

        i just shared dinner with my 15 year old daughter whose company i cherish.  i pulled into the driveway after dinner and said goodbye to my 19 year old as he goes off to play volleyball and boy am i grateful to have been given time with them.

    • Beautiful (0 / 0)

      I am so sorry that your family has to go through this.  I pray for all of you.  I'm another mother who will be appreciating my time with my daughter even more when she wakes up from her nap.  

      Please keep us posted on how things are going.  She is lucky to have you, and it sounds like you feel just as lucky to have her.

  • Helen and her kids (0 / 0)

    I think I must have been dropped by mistake from another planet onto this one.  Never once have I ever expected or demanded that my children be responsible for keeping my mood/attitude up.  It can happen occasionally, but certainly not constantly.  Hey, they're kids!  Parts of their brains haven't really morphed yet.  When they are older, say about 18 and onwards, then they can be the Robin Williams of the household, but right now providing therapy for mom isn't and cannot be their thing.  They are too busy learning various "tasks" of all sizes and descriptions which they will need later on.  Now Helen, what is stopping you from getting at least a part-time nanny to do all those child rearing things that depress you so much?  Once you no longer feel like a hostage rather than the adult/mother, you just might enjoy these kids, say, around the dinner table at night, faces all washed and shiny.
  • choice (0 / 0)

    Do SAHMs have the higher moral ground when expressing their choice? Do WAHMs? It's her choice on how she chooses to mother. Doesn't sound like she is abusing them. When you think about it, the writer expresses very much how many fathers have traditionally behaved around their children.

    I have to admit I agree with many things she writes about. A lot of parenting is boring. So is a lot of life. So is housekeeping. So is waiting in line at the bank. And, it beats the alternative.
     But: I also agree with the Newsweek piece -- for me having my son makes a lot of the boring bits more worthwhile.

    If it is all about choice, why are women so hard on other women? When will we stop and be at peace with our choices?

    • not about choice, per se (0 / 0)

      Brave - what I personally objected to was the fact that she thought her children - the small beings that they are - are boring. That seems so tragic to me!
      • the only thing that is fascinating (0 / 0)

        about kids is when they are yours :-) -  in my opinion. Even then, my bubble is burst when I find out that my friends' kids go through the same developmental stages and do the same things! I was never one of those who was entralled with all kids. Did not like to babysit. ADORE my child. He continuously fascinates me and I can and do go on and on about hime and at times he is boring. So what? Perhaps others don't find kids boring at times. I do. Doesn't make me love my son any less. Doesn't make me treasure him any less. I am boring too. A lot.
        • fair enough (0 / 0)

          Me, I have always liked kids, which was great because I cleaned up on the babysitting circuit and worked at an after-school program in my town. Love my own daughter to bits and pieces and can witter on about her for hours (depending on the audience). I couldn't care a bit if other people find her boring, because it won't have much of an effect on her and I have plenty of other things to talk about with them!

          What I minded, again, about that piece was that the woman didn't seem to treasure her own children, and seemed to find shopping, going to the gym and lunching with her friends to be higher priorities than them. None of my business, of course, but my heart hurts to think of them; it doesn't agree with my values.

          I totally agree that it's really unhealthy to become overly wrapped up in being a parent - damaging for the adult, and not too healthy for the child. But going to the other extreme can't be healthy either!

          • oh certainly (0 / 0)

            I was thinking about this last night....many years ago, before my child, a friend of mine used to complain about a third friend who never had time to talk to her anymore because she had 2 children. I sympathize but now I totally understand. I am exhausted after my day & what little time I have to spend with someone else, I want to spend with my child and husband -- even it is as mundane as watching him play with his Thomas trains (he won't let me play anymore :-( which was MORE fun!).  I also have to get up at 4:30 am to get to the gym now -- even tho I am a telecommuter because I have to be home before my dh goes to work so that I can take care of my son & get him off to daycare. And, the gym isn't optional anymore as I am rehabbing a shoulder and ankle.  I literally have no more time!
    • it occurs to me (0 / 0)

      when i read your comment that i haven't ever thought that the 'traditional' way fathers have parented is that great.  i take that to mean the 'children should be seen and not heard' approach and  lack of interest in them is the preferred choice.  my preference would be that parents - whether mother or father - be engaged with their children if they choose to bring them into the world and into THEIR world.

      it is a choice afterall.  i mean, what is the point of having kids, if they bore you to death?

      if a father had written the same words, i would be left feeling as angry and outraged at the travesty of bringing a life into this world and having such disregard for the daily living of that life.

      i don't see the category mattering in terms of whether someone works, doesn't work, or that the gender matters ....whatever.  you can work or not work and be an engaged parent...but the writer seems proud of her disengagement and i find that incredibly sad for her and her children.

      i do think that the notion that your own children and their interests completely bore you, is a type of emotional abuse.  

      i can tell you for sure that i am incredibly relieved and happy that i do not feel that way about my kids.  are we at times bored?  yes, but that would seem to be a personal problem not an external one.

      • i don't necessarily think that the trad father (0 / 0)

        role is all that great -- however for several generations, fathers were not expected to take an interest in their children, mostly boys too --right?!  until they were cogent beings -- able to do more grown up things that dad did.

        And, I don't think people always have kids because they are interested or expect to be interested in what they do or even who they are...they have them because, well, that's what people do. Is that abusive? I don't think so.

        Hopefully all parents are more interested today.

        I liked the article because the writer was pretty brazen to admit that she didn't find her own kids endlessly fascinating and that they didn't replace her other interests. But that said, she has more in common with Caitlin Flanagan than with me!

        • i agree with (0 / 0)

          the idea of not 'losing yourself' when you become a parent - it's clear the writer won't have to worry about that.

          and i agree  that having the guts to write a piece that goes against the grain is, well, gutsy.  the thrust of her writing still grates against my notion of healthy/loving parenting,  or healthy, loving behavior in any context.  the tone of her writing deflates the signficance of her thoughts, in my view.

          her writing reminded me of that site where all the moms slam each other right and left about their interests/financial status/jobs/etc.  the style of writing is incredibly negative and leaves me feeling slimed...but it may be that i have lived enough years to not be interested or impressed with that particular battlefield.  i don't feel like i have to prove or defend myself about much of anything any more.  when i was younger, i felt much more pressure to do so.

          i agree with you that women should find ways to support each other as opposed to the so-called mommy wars..but having said that, i would side with a child's interests over a parent's since a child cannot fend for themselves and needs advocates to look out for his interests if his own parents can not or will not.  

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          • i agree about the tone.... (0 / 0)

            I was thinking of Flanagan because she has that same snarky tone. I'm not much of a fan of snark even if I agree with the points!

            Yes, too about advocating for children. The thing about parenting and maybe she just didn't write anything about this because it didn't fit and would have diluted the snark is that it can never be all about you anymore. I have a feeling the essay didn't capture all of her behavior towards her kids.

            Even people who have time and wealth to pay for nannies, etc all the time and don't spend time with their kids because they are "busy" also don't "win" because their children don't bond in the same way with them. I have more compassion for working people who have to work 2 jobs etc to support their kids.

            • yes, i agree (0 / 0)

              with you on that.  i think you're right too, about not capturing all of her behavior.  when i reread the whole essay, it leaves me feeling slightly less roiled up.

              i thought the picture spoke a few words as well.

    • Good Point about Fathers (0 / 0)

      It's true: the author is expressing a sentiment that traditionally, was acceptable for a father to have. Her words are so button-pushing because it goes against the traditional idea that mothering is the natural expression of womanhood. Dads have been having children and not being interested in them for eons! For women, that's still a real faux pas.

      Things are changing, in terms of expectations for fathers. I had a brother-in-law who expressed the same idea. My mom asked him, "Why don't you get down on the floor and play with your son?" He responded, "Because I don't find it intellectually stimulating." We were all horrified. And you know what? Over time, his son was really, really hurt and impacted by his father's disinterest in parenting.

      I don't think witholding judgment from all parenting choices is realistic, because there are many choices that are not benign.

      Women may be more free and equal to express unapologetic disinterest in their children, but is this a positive development?

  • hey easeup (0 / 0)

    I understand that our society has gone crazy over their children. When did we become only mothers. I have 2 sons and work, yes work from home. i can't spend my entire day catering to every whine. Sorry no apology. I love playing with them. sometimes though I can't handle goodnight moon again. I don't want children like my nieghbors...constantly seeking attention. Children do best when encouraged, not pushed. What happened to letting a child explore life at their own pace. Get a grip and a life. I love my children with all my heart, but, I have needs also. I can't stomache the women I meet that have nothing to talk about but their children. I include my children in all our civic and church activities to promote global thought. They both enjoy volunteering for different causes. More than most moms think about. Stop just a couple of extra activities that are kid centered and give a try to volunteering. Maybe your kids would learn they aren't the cener of the universe. We also have frequent outings, just the family. We all are very close but give each other room to breath.
    I expect my children to learn the rules of society, and guess what life isn't always fair.
    Just a thought.
    • who said... (0 / 0)

      ...we should push aside our own needs? Who said our children MUST be the center of our lives? Not me, and not any of the other posters.

      FYI, I work too-- yes, work. A full time job outside the home, as a matter of fact. I blog. I belong to a book club. I volunteer. I take belly dance classes and go out on dates, alone, with my husband.

      What I found offensive about the woman's column is that she said her children are boring. That she would rather shop or get her hair highlighted than take them to a museum. That she begs the nannny to stay late and read them bedtime stories so she won't have to.

      Of course parenthood can be boring, everyone knows that. But to say your children don't interest you in any way is a sad statement, one I'm sure her kids will pick up on sooner or later.

      • totally agree (0 / 0)

        it is important that women feel supported and valued for the many different ways that they express being human...whatever their gifts are -- or are not.  

        i think that the comments here articulate that sentitment and i think you're right that the comments challenged the thought of total disregard and disdain of one's children.  one can say they love their children, but that's a hard one to hold onto if the child is meant to feel and is treated as if they bore the living crap right out of the mother or father.  

        love is action and work and connection, and joy, commitment, etc. -- it isn't disengagement and boredom and speaking of your loved ones as if they are some sort of bad purchase.

        • agree, too (0 / 0)

          The author wasn't talking about the basic tedium that is just part of parenting. She was saying her kids were boring, period. She's just not that into her own kids, apparently.
          My stepfather, who recently died, was like this with his kids, and it had a lasting effect. His daughter (my stepsister) eventually forgave him for his disinterest, and was really kind to him in his elder years. But his son didn't even bother showing up to visit him on his deathbed. There's a memorial service planned, and we don't think the son will show up for that, either. Now, it's true that the son is something of a schmuck himself, but I maintain that his father's attitude toward his own children contributed to that schmuckiness.
          Late in life, my stepfather admitted that he had been a bad father. But it seems that karma caught up with him anyway. The British mum who wrote about how boring her children are might want to take heed.
          • I should also add. . . (0 / 0)

            My stepbrother and (really nice) stepsister have been a little screwed up in ways that my siblings and I never were. My father died relatively young, but he was a wonderful and very involved dad, and we always knew we were the most important part of his life, and of our mother's life, too. I believe that the disinterest that my stepfather showed toward his children really haunted them through adulthood.
    • Who is spoiled (0 / 0)

      and thinks they are the center of the universe?  Children of parents who enjoy them?  Or a woman who feels so entitled to constant entertainment that she emotionally abandons her children if they don't provide her with it?
  • Late, late comment on Helen's column (0 / 0)

    After thinking about her my-kids-bore-me rant for a long, long time, it strikes me that it's not so much about motherhood as it is about a class divide. Or, I might say, upper-class laziness.
    Here's my reasoning:
    My daughter is in a very elite (in the good sense) gifted program offered by our public schools. The kids who qualify for this program (top 1 percent in aptitude and achievement) come from a variety of socio-economic backgrounds. Many are decidedly not wealthy. There are kids of single moms, kids of moms who are effectively single (husbands stationed in Iraq -- ours is a big military town) and many kids of immigrants, including some immigrants with limited English skills. These parents don't have much time or inclination to daydream about shopping or matching shoes to some fashionable ensemble. And I don't think they could be considered over-protective or hovering helicopter parents. They're just too busy making a living.
    But all the parents of kids in the gifted program are keenly interested in their kids' education. The last thing they are is bored, even if they need translators to help out in parent-teacher conferences.
    When I read Helen's comments about being too bored to even know the identity of her kids' science teacher, I just shake my head. Maybe it's a cultural thing, and Helen's is some kind of rarified culture in which most of us will never live.

     

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