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I grew up in a town of less than 5,000, out in the middle of nowhere, and I still have strong connections there. I could not possibly fault what Obama said, because in my experience it's entirely true. And if people are hurt by that truth, maybe they need to be. "Bitter" may not be the most accurate word, but my hometown is certainly full of people who I can describe in no other way than fearful. These are people in the middle of the continent who are sure that a terrorist is right around the corner, waiting to kill them.
Many people of faith, such as myself, know that there are plenty other people who cling to religious beliefs that exclude rather than include. By saying certain people are bad Christians and not like us, it helps them deal with their fear. I'm sure education is a part of that, but that's a rocky line to cross. I learned a long time ago not to use in an argument with my aunts & uncles the idea that, well, I went to college and I'm kind of smarter than you in certain ways. As tjb mentioned, having an advanced education does make you analyze and question your own beliefs, as well as others, and to be comfortable doing that. But I realize that being "right" is some of the only comfort that my uneducated family members have.
Rachel Maddow had an analysis on Olbermann that I thought seemed plausible. She said that the middle/working class has for years been disappointed by politicans who say they will help with the financial worries. We wonder why so many Americans seem to vote against their economic self-interest. Maddow's thought was they've been taught that it doesn't help their situation. So they fall back on "values" voting, listening to politicians who say, "I will take care of those nameless, possibly groundless fears that you didn't know you had." And they cling to that hope because they've lost the belief that their economic status will ever be better.
Gus (7/06), Susanna (due 11/08)
by cynmill on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 09:43:54 AM PDT
was spot on. Its exactly what I see. I grew up in a small town, too. And honestly, republicans have taken advantage of them, while democrats have largely abandoned them. They don't expect anyone to really help them, so they often will vote based on what sounds to many of us like ridiculous criteria...you know, as in voting for the guy you'd rather have a beer with.
I also think its an urban/rural thing. If you live in a small Ohio town these days, you get your local news from the nearest "big city" news stations. And yes...I suppose that's somewhat frightening. The cities seem like scary places. The idea that all different kinds of people can, and do, live together in a reasonable amount of harmony just does not transmit well across the evening newscast. And what are these big cities full of? Liberal democrats.
by tjb22 on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 09:51:12 AM PDT
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on Rachel Maddow, like, a "one of my top five" that I wouldn't exactly wreck my home for, yeaaah... i luv her! It's a fairly new obsession.
And I agree, her interpretation was essentially echoed by Obama himself (as I heard it on my Thom Hartmann podcast and found on youtube here, god bless the youtube.)
by lilianna28 on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 09:59:22 AM PDT
youtube Obama
by lilianna28 on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 10:02:54 AM PDT
Yeah, it seems like Rachel summed up Barack's sentiment perfectly.
I'm having a hard time wrapping my brain around Ehrenreich's piece. She confirms Barack's sentiment as well, but seems to warn that the potentially damaging part wasn't the "bitter" or the "clinging" part, but rather the stereotypical examples he gave: religion, guns, and antipathy toward people who are different.
What other things do people cling to when the government routinely neglects them? I guess, family and community connections, sports, hobbies...all the things Obama said. I'm agnostic but I cling to my awe of nature and the beauty of randomness. What examples could he have given to better make his case?
by tarantula on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 01:42:48 PM PDT
that they cling to their traditions.
by tjb22 on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 01:49:53 PM PDT
Good point. Less is more in this case, eh?
by tarantula on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 01:56:00 PM PDT
You know, I'm not going to second guess this one too much, though. I guess this is just another example of nothing being truly "private" any longer.
by tjb22 on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 01:59:00 PM PDT
"Fall back on," "focus on," something like that might have made the point a little more neutrally.
E.g., "Government isn't doing anything to help them, so they give up hope and focus on their own concerns and traditions instead." Something like that.
Katherine, mom to two boys 7/00 and 1/04
by pat of butter in a sea of grits on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 01:56:14 PM PDT
or "hold more closely to" would have sounded better.
And yes...he could have, in that crowd, indicted the democratic party partly for the neglect, too.
by tjb22 on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 01:58:06 PM PDT
But honestly, I'm glad he just said it the way he did. It's good that there isn't any tiptoeing around the issue on his part. The way they're hitting him, there is just no way to avoid the nitpicking for him.
He can handle it, even when he mispeaks. Cool.
by tarantula on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 02:01:04 PM PDT
on the maddaw crush and her bitter analysis too. and it only sweetens the deal that joe scarborough walked off the set last night (sorry, he just "left before the last few minutes of the show" according to MSNBC) all because he couldn't handle rachel. hee hee.
jen, mama to sam (9), maya (5), charlie (2) and abby (1).
by slackermom on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 09:40:09 PM PDT
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