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  • OT--I have a friend who's in an abusive marriage (0 / 0)

    She's just now waking up to the idea that what her husband does isn't anywhere on the "normal" spectrum. And though I always thought he's no one I'd ever marry, I am just beginning to see the full scope of his assholery. It's very difficult to know the right thing to say in this situation and it's weighing on my mind a lot. I am very worried for her.
    Any advice from anyone who's BTDT?

    • Maybe not for her specifically (0 / 0)

      although maybe....but a very insightful book that includes info on disengaging with such a person is The Gift of Fear.  It speaks volumes on such compelling topics and is a must read for young women and all adult women.

    • There's no easy answer... (0 / 0)

      But typically the abuser starts by breaking the spirit of their victim. After a while, they start to believe that they deserve whats happening to them. The only thing I can recommend is for you to be a stable presence. A friend who is consistent, and reliable. Don't bad-mouth her husband until she's strong enough to hear it, because she can always go back and say, "my friend thinks you're ....." which would only cause problems because now you'd be considered "the enemy".

      When she feels a bit stronger, you can help her plan her exit. I had a friend who was in an abusive relationship (years ago). She kept an extra change of clothes, an I.D., some money and a credit card at my house. You can do that as well.  

      As painful as it is to witness, all you can really do is be there for her. Good luck.

      • great advice (0 / 0)

        Great advice on not badmouthing the husband, but just listening.  That's an easy way to get burned and become not helpful.  

      • Oh! (0 / 0)

        I hadn't read the comments and so gave similar advice!  Great advice about the extra clothes and id, too.

        I don't even hate abusers, I just want them to stop it.

      • That's what I'd say too (0 / 0)

        it creates a big divide with your friend if you start pointing out how many ways he is awful, and then she ends up going back to him. Even if you are agreeing with what she says, if she ends up going back to him, you are now the enemy.

        Hard to recover from that.

      • Providing a model (0 / 0)

        of normalcy and encouraging her to move toward that is a great gift. Tell stories of your own marriage that she will (hopefully) compare to her own. Invite her into your non abusive home to see a regular marriage at work.

        I know several people who were abused as kids. All of them say the only way they were able to escape the cycle was having a window into a normal life--non abusive grandparents, for example. This was what allowed them to realize: "My home life isn't right. I can leave it and have a different kind of life."

      • Great advice, thank you! (0 / 0)

        Unfortunately, I got in trouble for calling her husband an "idiot," which by the way, is a word I use frequently to describe lots of people, including myself and my own husband at times. But it was definitely the wrong this to say at the time, and I apologized for my insensitivity. But I just really want her to know what she is going through is not normal and she's worthy of better. It's hard to stay quiet when you see a friend going through that. But I'm learning that I'll have to.

    • haven't (0 / 0)

      Haven't BTDT, but I agree with what Gloria wrote and I am a firm believer that you can't intervene in cases like this.  

      People have to figure it out for themselves unfortunately.

      All you can do is be there for them, call them a lot, try to see them as much as you can, and be there when the sh*t hits the fan eventually.

    • Haven't (0 / 0)

      been in an abusive relationship myself, but I've "lost" a very dear friend to one (not to death but because she dumped me) and I must recommend that even when she's complaining about him, just listen and try to keep any strong feelings that come up in you in check.  There's nothing you can do, but if you're able to be present and stick it out with her, if she ever decides to leave him you can be there to support.

    • And for your own sanity ... (0 / 0)

      Lots of good advice above. I would add that it might be helpful to you to think about how emotionally involved you want to get with your friend's marital problems. If she is an old or very close friend, of course you are already emotionally involved with her as an individual, but I have found that people in troubled marriages sometimes are very self-involved, and lean on certain friends for some pretty intense support, while offering not much in return.

      Sounds really harsh, I know. But I have been that steady presence for three friends over the years, and even if you don't bad mouth the husband, which I didn't, once you know too much, the person is liable to dump you anyway. Or the husband gets uncomfortable with the friendship, even if you generally have some empathy for the guy, with the same result.

      One of my oldest friends (her son was my godson) did not show up to my wedding reception because at the last minute her husband did not want to go, and they had a huge fight about it. This is her second problematic marriage, and at that moment, I was totally over her and her relationship problems. I spent half of my reception worried in the back of my mind that she or her kids had had a massively huge emergency, or were possibly killed in an accident. Have refused to talk to her since, a sad ending for a 21 year friendship.

      I can count on four fingers the friends I would support considerably with no reservation if they had serious marital problems, and that is it.

      Sorry to be a huge downer, but that's my experience.

      • this guy is an ass (0 / 0)

        Sorry, I just have to say it. He's already tried to alienate her from her friends. He's forged her name on financial documents, ruined her credit rating and spent them into bankruptcy. He drinks inappropriately, flirts with other women, and verbally and emotionally abuses her. My DH can't stand to talk to him. Suffice to say, I have no empathy for this guy whatsoever. GAH!!

        OK, had to get that off my chest.

        I can totally see what you're saying about disengaging from people involved in time- and energy-sapping dramas. I can see how it might be valuable to avoid engaging her since I have some pretty strong feelings about the subject and she definitely doesn't need to hear that, and I find it so frustrating to watch her falling further down the hole.

        • Yikes (0 / 0)

          Wow, that does sound serious. Empathy would be really hard to conjure in this case. And, yes, it is so painful to watch someone continuing with this stuff. I really commend you for trying. If someone is struggling to make a change, it feels hopeful.

          I apologize again for being so negative.  

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