Wednesday Morning Open Thread

What’s up?

The DREAM Act may come up for a vote this week. Here is a list of Democratic and Republican legislators whose votes are up in the air. Please call if any of them are your members of Congress.

In somewhat related news, the Pentagon released a report stating that 70 percent of U.S. service members believe repealing “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” would have little or no effect on their units, according to the Washington Post. Also in the Washington Post: in one of the few bipartisan votes during this Administration, the Senate passed a sweeping food safety bill to ensure that less Americans get sick from salmonella and other food contaminants.

Yesterday, I reviewed relationship expert Laurie Puhn’s book Fight Less, Love More. Coincidentally, she also had a column in the Huffington Post about the root of divorce. Also from Puhn’s Expecting Words blog: she wrote a response to the responses she received to a column she wrote about a hospital doing away with the nursery. She thought it was unfair for a tired mother to have to care for her baby round-the-clock while she was at the hospital. What is your take on this?

The number of adults in Texas with diabetes is expected to quadruple over the next 30 years, according to the Texas Tribune. Demographers are attributing the spike in diabetes cases to an aging population and obesity.  

What else is in the news? What’s up with you?


79 thoughts on “Wednesday Morning Open Thread

  1. hospital nurseries make me think of

    slackerdad– remember how mad he got when i said If I had my way my daughter would still be in the hospital nursery 10 years later?


  2. I haven’t read it yet

    but the idea of doing away with the nursery makes me stabby.  I am sure there are people who can handle it fine, but my only experience is having a c-section with twins, edema so bad I could not put on shoes for a couple of days after delivery — so I am imagining myself with an IV pole and no shoes on trying to walk across the room to change a diaper when I am not even supposed to be lifting anything……that’s crazy talk!

    I wish I had a congressman or Senator that I could call about anything — I mean, there are technically people who hold those jobs, it’s just that they vote the opposite of what I would do 99-100% of the time. About all I can count on is on very rare occasion, Kay Bailey Hutchison will vote on a women’s issue the way I want.

    • Yeah

      the nursery is non-negotiable IMHO.  That or they should give you a full time nurse at your beck-and-call, dedicated only to caring for mom and baby.  I know that birth is natural and normal and whatever- but it’s still a big freaking deal and no mama should have to do anything she doesn’t want to for at least 48 hours postpartum.  Or, you know, 18 years postpartum but that might be too  much to ask for.

      I’m putting off going to work.  Took the dog for a run this morning (not that I ran, but I threw the ball until she refused to go get it anymore) and now I’d love to hunker down in my house and get it all picked up and organized.  Alas, I have a zillion papers waiting on my desk and a mountain of prep to do.

      Mutters to self:::Be grateful you have a job, be grateful you have a job, be grateful…:::

      • doing it alone is not natural

        ITA — before hospitals, how often did a woman have to go through the first 48 post-partum alone? Most of the time there would be someone to help the mother, like relatives or a midwife. Taking away the nursery without adding nurses who can provide more help is a terrible idea.

        I always know that I must have a lot of work to do when cleaning and organizing suddenly sounds appealing. Good luck with that!

    • When I had my twins, they were only

      34 weeks and needed to go to the NICU, but, I would not have been able to care for them by myself for that first day or so.  I had a huge episitomy, and I’d lost a lot of blood and was extremely anemic.  I had a difficult time getting to the bathroom…in fact, the first day, I needed someone to hold me up and hold onto me lest I faint.  

  3. I liked the choice

    I could’ve had DD with me all the time, but given I’d had a c-section, the nurses were really supportive of me getting some good rest and assured me it was a delight to have DD in the nursery. I had her most of the day, but gave her back at night so I could sleep.

    Unless a hospital will provide for a friend or family member being there to help care for the baby, this is a really stupid idea. Even my great-grandmothers had other women come to help them when they gave birth at home. This idea that it’s new & unnecessary to have help after giving birth is certainly a man’s idea…possibly someone who isn’t a parent.

    • The comments

      on that post are a little creepy.  Lots of support for the hospital and Judgy McJudgerson stuff about how it’s abnormal for a new mom to not want to be with her new baby 24/7.

  4. Sending good luck to lilianna28 today!

    You’re probably not reading here today, but unless Cheeky Baby showed up last night, today is Birth day! Sending you lots of quick-and-easy vibes, and best wishes for a happy, healthy new baby!

  5. New moms need help

    Now, if the hospital does away with the nursery but still will take the baby to the nurses station for a break that’s fine.  I’ve seen some small hospitals do that.  It’s silly to have a formal nursery if there aren’t any babies in it.  But the idea of a mom recovering from a c-section having to care for her baby without help?  Ridiculous.

    • I had a c section

      with one birth and a 4th degree tear with the other, but the baby stayed in the room. But my husband was there, at least for the first day or so (he did go home at times to see to our 3 year old with yhe c section birth). It does kind of seem like this conversation is leaving out the dads, grandmas, or others who can also help. (Twins or serious medical complications are another issue of course.)

      The hospital where my kids were born had a bassinet right by the bed with diapers and wipes stacked underneath so I didn’t have to get out of bed to change them. Hospitals that want babies to room in (which is part of the WHO/UNICEF Baby Friendly Hospital Initiative, which in general I support) do need to arrange things so that it is easy on the mom. There’s no reason to put the diapers across the room.

    • This is what we had with Molly.

      Small rural hospital and she was the only baby on the floor while were there.  The nurses just rolled her around with them while they did what they needed to do- she hung out with them in an empty room while they played Gin Rummy during the night.  I had her 90% of the time, but they were adamant that I needed to sleep while I was there and that they’d bring her to me if she woke up or needed anything.

      We bonded fine.  

      • I love that image

        Great visual of the nurses playing cards while Molly sleeps nearby.  I fill in a blank of a nurse reaching out and rocking her in between plays.  All while mom gets a good night’s sleep down the hall.

        • They begged me to stay another night.

          Partially because they’d have to shut the floor down if I left (no other babies in the pipeline) and partially because one nurse wanted to win back the $20 she lost the night before.

          I loved those nurses.  But the bed sucked and I was going home.

    • this is what we had at our hospital in Melbourne

      where I gave birth to Lily. The hospital encouraged baby-in-the-room, but there was a small nursery for those that needed the assist, or had complications, or whatever. But also, to help facilitate baby-in-the-room, there are a lot of nurses on the floor – I had nurses assisting me with bathing Lily, I had nurses popping in and out (so long as I didn’t have the “naptime” sign up), I had nurses offering to walk Lily in the bassinet if she was fussy getting to sleep and I needed a nap. You get the idea.

  6. Bad hospital story

    When my sister had her baby this summer, the hospital she was in did not have a nursery.  It worked ok, but only because her DH and I took turns spending the night in the room with her.  She had to spend 4 nights because they were waiting for her preeclampsia to resolve.  Then, finally, they discharged her (she couldn’t wear shoes yet, like Lisa).  They had said the baby was fine to be discharged the day before but they waited so he would be able to stay with her.  Then at the last minute they did this “car seat test” since he was born at 35 weeks, a new hospital policy.  The doctor wouldn’t discharge him, which I disagreed with and thought was just CYA, but whatever.  Since my sister had been discharged they admitted the baby to the pediatric ward for observation.  Only one parent is allowed to spend the night in the ward.  So here’s my sister, brand new mom, majorly painfully engorged, bf-ing not working yet trying to feed the little guy with a syringe, and with a big old episiomity.  Poor girl, the whole experience was awful.  Bad, bad hospital.  They gave my sister the wrong dose of one of her meds one day.  Then, to top things off when we got home and opened the folder from the hospital, the birth records they had been given were for some other baby.

    • ugh.

      sounds like the hospital where I had my twins.  Posted above about not having to care for them because they were in NICU, however, this is the hospital that sent me home with  my feet to swollen for shoes, and so anemic that I should have been transfused.  My hemoglobin count was down to five point something or other.  They knew before delivery that my count was very low, and as I bled out significantly, this should have been no surprise, right?  Well, they did the blood work in the evening after I had delivered, but didn’t bother to even address these dangerously low levels until three days later when I was literally walking out the door.  This was my first pregnancy…I didn’t know that I wasn’t supposed to feel this bad after giving birth, so I really hadn’t said much about it.  

      Oh, and when I actually gave birth?  Well, the staff in the delivery area got so excited over seeing twins delivered naturally that about 20 of them crowded into the delivery room  and since they were all there, they forgot my husband and left him out in the hall.  He missed the entire delivery of both babies.

    • You’re the devil.

      And I say that because I could spend all day there. And yes, I’ve read the series, each book more appallingly bad than the previous one. And yet I found the story strangely compelling. If nothing else, it provides some good role modeling for seriously UNhealthy relationships for my educator work.

      • Try

        True Blood. They aren’t as badly written, and the story is also compelling. The relationships are fairly unhealthy, but the female character gets stronger and more likeable as the series goes on.

        • They are a book series?

          I thought it was just the TV show, maybe on a station I don’t get. (Or is it on the CW?) I may check it out. I’m not usually a fan of bad books but it’s not like I don’t like vampire stuff.

          It’s just that Buffy set a pretty high bar for all things vampire-related.

          • I think you’d like them

            If you like Buffy. It’s the “Southern Vampire Mysteries”. Sometimes called the Sookie Stackhouse books. There are about ten of them…and another one is due out soon.

    • You are evil!

      OMG that was the best! I’m totally using it for my next writing class. I have not read the books either, but like the blogger, I thought, they’re not literature, but they can’t be that bad. This is the most I’ve ever read of the series and I’m shocked it’s so bad!

    • Fluffy but fun

      I just barely read them and will happily admit to having fun with them. They are by no means great literature but that’s okay.  I love me some People magazine now and again, you know?

      As for grammar, why didn’t the editors catch the errant commas?  Isn’t that their job?

      • I with you.

        I can read pretty much anything. And I found the Twilight books to be a very engrossing read. Not great literature, but then I don’t think Glee is really TV that’s going to teach me anything either….and I still enjoy that.

      • Now & again?

        I buy it every Friday on the dot, and have Entertainment Weekly delivered!

        I think editors can point things out, but if the author isn’t willing to change, and it wasn’t a condition of the contract, the author doesn’t have to do anything she doesn’t want to. So I can only assume everyone was fine with her writing that way and she liked it, and I guess you can’t argue with millions of dollars.

        As a grammar teacher though, it hurts my heart a little!

  7. Ravenous.

    I am absolutely ravenous. I don’t think I’ve stopped eating for more than 5 minutes since I got to the office. A clementine orange, a breakfast bar, a peppermint swiss cake roll (yum!!!), and now I am eyeing the applesauce and the other clementine. Plus, I’ve probably drank (drunk?) half my water bottle already. And I had a pretty high-protein breakfast of yogurt, 2 glasses of milk (chocolate, the only way I can stand it), and a blueberry muffin.

    I assume there are just days like this during pregnancy. But you would think I hadn’t eaten all day, or for several days, by the way I am shoveling food into my mouth. I guess the plus side is that soon I will look utterly unmistakably pregnant.

  8. Portland here we come?

    dh and i just got back from our Thanksgiving day holiday.  3 days in Cle Elum Washington and then off to Portland for 4 days.  Seriously thinking of moving to Portland even spent a day looking at houses…hmmm.

    • rent first :)

      IME, the winters in the PNW need to be seen to be believed. It really is 90% dark cloudy days, 90% with rain, oftentimes horizontal rain due to wind, for about 5 months. Then another 4 – 5 months of mostly rain and clouds. Then half of July, August and half of September you get sun. My experience is Seattle, and I do think that Portland is slightly less dark. Slightly.

      Just sayin’ :). Especially after so many years in the Bay Area, it could really be shocking.

      • i hear ya…

        i am in portland frequently due to business.  weather has been a big consideration.  thanks for the reminder.  i go to both seattle and portland.  seattle doesn’t send me due to the light…portland’s light seems different to me.

        • that’s what I’ve always heard

          that Portland isn’t as dark. I’ve only been to Portland once and liked it. Half time Portland, half time San Francisco would be the best of both worlds :)

          • we are all over the place..

            Actually thinking half time Portland , half time Jacksonville Oregon.  Toss up now between staying in Bay Area half time or Portland half time.  The weather does worry me, but Portland is SUCH a livable city and housing is so much cheaper.  We looked in Southwest Hills and found a house we love.

            • housing prices

              Seriously. A former neighbor moved to Portland over the summer and bought a gorgeous big and beautifully updated house for about half the cost of the houses in our ‘hood. Would be so worth it.

              And you can pick a house now without thinking about schools, what the other parents are like, if there are kids around, and etc. That’s a whole other ball game. (My friend didn’t love the neighborhood school and was researching private schools ….).


            • ha!

              all we need is to throw in another option!  dh and i have gone back and forth today about 20 times on this.  as we close the day?  portland is looking mighty strong. time will tell i suppose.

    • Can I ask what the e-mails

      sorta said?  You don’t have to give me details, but I’m kinda thinking I might post this, and I just want to have an idea as to what I might expect!

      • It was what you’d expect-

        old white guys who took offense because I was calling them racists.  It was all very “methinks the lady doth protest…”

        But like I said- I don’t need the drama.

          • I did actually get one e-mail

            from my SIL telling me that she was afraid to “like” it publicly, it made her very happy to see it there and got her all fired up.

            But I’ve since had another one from a distant cousin telling me I should be ashamed of myself and that I was just like all the other liberals, tarring and feathering anyone who disagreed with them.

            No drama no drama no drama no drama.

            • you know THIS I think is why we keep losing

              we’re all so into ‘drama free’ zones  we can’t bear others to disagree with us so we go back to nicey nicey

              I don’t see no Tea Partiers running to take their offensive stuff down off their walls…jest sayin

              and i’m not really even speaking of you Laura, just our party in general and the “oh one republican said boo to me so let’s run and hide and back down”  mentatlity of our party leadership

              • Yes!

                As liberals, we’re often too nice and too fair!  I’ve thought this for a long time.  We’re the ones who pretend that the “other side” has a right to be heard and to make their case, even when their “case” is not only devoid of facts and reason, but completely ridiculous.  I’ll go back to Sarah Palin and “death panels”….we were so busy trying to point out the untruthfulness to this in a fair and measured way when instead, we should have just called them all LIARS.  In capital letters.

          • Pero…

            Shouldn’t that have been Lo tiene muy mal, hijo de Puta?  My spanish is abysmal, and I’m always on the lookout for vernacular variants, but I couldn’t find loy in two online spanish dictionaries.  Wheras “lo tiene muy mal, hijo de Puta” comes through loud and clear.

      • pls pls do..

        so i can watch you know who go ballastic. sorta like shootin fish in a barrel.  particularly after one of his recent comments about how he just likes rattling the libruls cage.  

        • I’m thinking…

          maybe I’ll do it later this evening or tomorrow?  Right now, I’m just trying to get myself together.  Gotta go with my husband over to watch the kids in a couple hours and then Nicholas is probably going to come back home with us for a couple more hours, and honestly, I’m so light headed and out of it this morning, I’m not sure my replies to you-know-who would be up to par…want to wait until I’m in better form, you know?

  9. DH’s doctor just called

    with his test results from the last immunology visit.  She wouldn’t give me the results so I gave her DH’s cell and told her to call him at school.  This is the big one- the test that will let us know whether he can start the immunization protocol and decrease the likelihood that he’ll succumb to something like pneumonia or staph or strep (and keep him in his current job) or if the immunization protocol will be too taxing on his system requiring external measures to prevent infection (job change, limited exposure to germy places and people, etc).

    Keep your fingers crossed?

      • They tested his immune response

        to some kind of protein injection.  If he has a high enough level of antibody production, they can safely start the immunizations because they’ll know that there’s a level of immune response to work from.  If not, the immunizations would either be ineffective (because they wouldn’t trigger any response) or dangerous (if they cause him to get the thing they’re trying to prevent).  I don’t really understand all of it, but the immunologist was clear that this was THE fork in the road that would determine long term prognosis and treatment.

    • Crossing fingers

      Sending good thoughts.  Hope they get ahold of DH soon and he gets the info to you and that it’s good news.  Thinking of you.

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