Friday Open Thread

Happy Friday! I am still having some internet issues and am really frustrated – BUT, I cannot let my MotherTalkers down! So, onto some interesting stories that caught my eye…

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid’s wife and daughter were involved in a serious automobile accident yesterday, wherein Reid’s wife broke her nose, neck and back, and his daughter hurt her neck and had a facial laceration. Thankfully, it was reported that their injuries do not appear to be life threatening. Here’s to a speedy recovery.

President Obama donated his Nobel Peace Prize money to ten different charities, including $250,000 to Fisher House, a national nonprofit that houses families whose loved ones are receiving care at Veterans Administration medical centers. As well as another $200,000 to the Bush-Clinton Haiti Fund to help the country recover from the earthquake.

Have you heard the latest Palinism? Sarah Palin admitted to crossing the border to Canada in order to reap the rewards of socialized medicine! In the words of Bugs Bunny, “What a maroon”!

And finally, would you eat cheese made out of…breast milk?? A Manhattan chef recently began serving cheese made from his nursing wife’s milk. Gael Greene over at the Daily Beast decided to taste it and write a review. It’s…interesting, to say the least.

Personally, I am so glad this week is finally over! I am going to enjoy my well deserved weekend and there is a very real possibility that I will take my kids to Disneyland! Mickey Mouse, here we come! What are you up to this weekend?

Of course, this is an open thread and you are free to discuss whatever you wish. What else is going on?

206 thoughts on “Friday Open Thread

  1. Wish us Luck!

    It’s IUI day! My boobs are killing me so some shot worked at some point :). Procedure this morning, then DH and I took the entire day off, we’re going to take advantage of our last chance to catch Avatar and then maybe squeeze in Alice.

    Send happy, fertile thoughts towards Warrenville IL! :)

  2. Wish us Luck!

    It’s IUI day! My boobs are killing me so some shot worked at some point :). Procedure this morning, then DH and I took the entire day off, we’re going to take advantage of our last chance to catch Avatar and then maybe squeeze in Alice.

    Send happy, fertile thoughts towards Warrenville IL! :)

  3. Thanks everyone

    for all your kind words and comments on my post in yesterday morning’s open thread about my wayward kid.  I feel a lot better this morning, mostly due to your support.  

    Madeline’s first counseling appointment is today.  I hope it goes well and is a good first start on the road to helping her process her emotions.  I like the idea of her having another neutral adult at school that she can talk to.  

  4. Thanks everyone

    for all your kind words and comments on my post in yesterday morning’s open thread about my wayward kid.  I feel a lot better this morning, mostly due to your support.  

    Madeline’s first counseling appointment is today.  I hope it goes well and is a good first start on the road to helping her process her emotions.  I like the idea of her having another neutral adult at school that she can talk to.  

  5. OCD update

    just wanted to let you all know how i’m feeling these days.  i feel WONDERFUL!  after i gave birth i just felt a weight lifted.  i truly feel like i’ve been released from a prison cell.  i try to remember why i did certain compulsions or avoided certain things and i can’t even figure out what my rationale was at the time.  i am still a bit hyper about germs with the new baby and all, and making sure people wash their hands but i think that’s kinda normal.  although last night i did give DH fits by following him around the kitchen as he was cooking steaks, making sure he cleaned up all the meat juice.  so i’m not 100% “normal” but i’d say i’m about 80 or 90% there.  there is just no comparison to where i was a few months ago.  although the zoloft is definitely helping, i am convinced that a lot of this was hormonal during the pregnancy.

    i’m just so overjoyed with my baby girl and my little boy.  i really missed cuddling and kissing my little guy so i’m just soaking it in now!  

  6. OCD update

    just wanted to let you all know how i’m feeling these days.  i feel WONDERFUL!  after i gave birth i just felt a weight lifted.  i truly feel like i’ve been released from a prison cell.  i try to remember why i did certain compulsions or avoided certain things and i can’t even figure out what my rationale was at the time.  i am still a bit hyper about germs with the new baby and all, and making sure people wash their hands but i think that’s kinda normal.  although last night i did give DH fits by following him around the kitchen as he was cooking steaks, making sure he cleaned up all the meat juice.  so i’m not 100% “normal” but i’d say i’m about 80 or 90% there.  there is just no comparison to where i was a few months ago.  although the zoloft is definitely helping, i am convinced that a lot of this was hormonal during the pregnancy.

    i’m just so overjoyed with my baby girl and my little boy.  i really missed cuddling and kissing my little guy so i’m just soaking it in now!  

  7. internet blues

    I feel you, Gloria, as we just got back from a week long roadtrip to my MIL’s  house, which is an internet-free zone! She used to have a computer with dialup, but that’s broken, so it was cold turkey for us! I stayed up WAY too late with my laptop last night. : )

    Had a GREAT time with the MIL, but a little cranky about some of the rest of the family. We live 18 hours away and only get down once a year and some of them act resentful while we’re there and can’t be bothered to spend time with us. They say they’re excited we’re coming and can’t wait to see DD, but after we get there they have dinner with us one night and that’s that. My SIL is very enamored of her 3 yo granddaughter, who is just 6 months younger than DD. The girls played together pretty well, and both are verbal and smart and spunky. The day we left, SIL was saying things on FB like “I just spent time with the funniest and most intelligent 3 yo on the planet.” We’re all happy and proud of our favorite kids, but to declare that her granddaughter is the most intelligent 3 yo on the planet immediately after we left just seems rude to me. Maybe I’m just being too sensitive after feeling slighted by her and by our niece (the mama of the most intelligent 3 yo on the planet). They gave DD presents, but not even 5 minutes of their time while we were there. In contrast, DH and DD and I spent like 5-6 hours playing with their favorite 3 yo, because MIL watches her some days. And here’s where the snark comes…DH and I both came away feeling good about our parenting style and about DD’s behavior and skills (DD’s often pretty challenging and we regularly question whether we suck as parents, but not on this trip). ‘Nuff said. Am I just being silly?

    • Nope

      I have some of the same issues with my SIL. She’ll write on FB about her co-workers’ babies, how adorable they are and how much she enjoyed holding them and how she’s looking forward to seeing them, and here is her only niece, who she’s only seen once in nearly 17 months. She hasn’t talked to me in nearly a year (to be fair, I haven’t tried to talk to her either) so unless my brother passes on info, she knows nothing about my children. I get a lot about my nephews from my brother and mom, plus I send them cards. But from my kids’ aunt? Nothing. It’s just weird, but it’s still hard not to feel resentful, hurt, and angry once in a while.

      • FB

        This is kind of part of my big problem with FB. Take your experience and sherishu’s above, it’s made worse by FB. Sure, one might still have suspicions about being ignored and favoritism etc, but then someone will post something on FB and your feelings are confirmed for you, and adds salt to the wounds.

        It’s just things you didn’t need to know I guess, and prior to FB one wouldn’t have known, or at least not easily, if that makes sense.

        • true

          but I can’t stop also seeing it as a purposely aggressive comment on her part. Maybe it is more like tmi, that makes it seem a little better.

        • That’s a good point

          But ultimately, FB is only part of it, or maybe adds to it. My children are my SIL’s only niece & nephew, and rather than enjoy them or be interested in them, she acts as if they don’t exist. It’s nothing to the kids now, but I wonder what it will mean when they’re old enough to notice.

          • kids

            Oh I know, totally. It was just a tangent I went on when I saw “Facebook” in both posts. Like you said, it’s too bad how FB can add to the hurt.

            I know what you mean about acting like kids don’t exist. It’s almost like you have to make a decision if you are even going to subject kids to relatives like that before they start figuring it out themselves and get hurt : (

    • I understand

      My BIL and his wife give a lot more attention to our nephews than they do to our kids, IMO.  For birthday and Christmas presents, they invite our older nephew to spend the night and do something with them, and when we all went to Disneyland either they or my PILs almost always had at least one of their kids, whereas we only go help from the PILs.  I used to feel similar about my MIL, too.

      I’ve healed things with my MIL, but I think the thing with DH’s brothers will always bother me a bit.

  8. internet blues

    I feel you, Gloria, as we just got back from a week long roadtrip to my MIL’s  house, which is an internet-free zone! She used to have a computer with dialup, but that’s broken, so it was cold turkey for us! I stayed up WAY too late with my laptop last night. : )

    Had a GREAT time with the MIL, but a little cranky about some of the rest of the family. We live 18 hours away and only get down once a year and some of them act resentful while we’re there and can’t be bothered to spend time with us. They say they’re excited we’re coming and can’t wait to see DD, but after we get there they have dinner with us one night and that’s that. My SIL is very enamored of her 3 yo granddaughter, who is just 6 months younger than DD. The girls played together pretty well, and both are verbal and smart and spunky. The day we left, SIL was saying things on FB like “I just spent time with the funniest and most intelligent 3 yo on the planet.” We’re all happy and proud of our favorite kids, but to declare that her granddaughter is the most intelligent 3 yo on the planet immediately after we left just seems rude to me. Maybe I’m just being too sensitive after feeling slighted by her and by our niece (the mama of the most intelligent 3 yo on the planet). They gave DD presents, but not even 5 minutes of their time while we were there. In contrast, DH and DD and I spent like 5-6 hours playing with their favorite 3 yo, because MIL watches her some days. And here’s where the snark comes…DH and I both came away feeling good about our parenting style and about DD’s behavior and skills (DD’s often pretty challenging and we regularly question whether we suck as parents, but not on this trip). ‘Nuff said. Am I just being silly?

    • Nope

      I have some of the same issues with my SIL. She’ll write on FB about her co-workers’ babies, how adorable they are and how much she enjoyed holding them and how she’s looking forward to seeing them, and here is her only niece, who she’s only seen once in nearly 17 months. She hasn’t talked to me in nearly a year (to be fair, I haven’t tried to talk to her either) so unless my brother passes on info, she knows nothing about my children. I get a lot about my nephews from my brother and mom, plus I send them cards. But from my kids’ aunt? Nothing. It’s just weird, but it’s still hard not to feel resentful, hurt, and angry once in a while.

      • FB

        This is kind of part of my big problem with FB. Take your experience and sherishu’s above, it’s made worse by FB. Sure, one might still have suspicions about being ignored and favoritism etc, but then someone will post something on FB and your feelings are confirmed for you, and adds salt to the wounds.

        It’s just things you didn’t need to know I guess, and prior to FB one wouldn’t have known, or at least not easily, if that makes sense.

        • true

          but I can’t stop also seeing it as a purposely aggressive comment on her part. Maybe it is more like tmi, that makes it seem a little better.

        • That’s a good point

          But ultimately, FB is only part of it, or maybe adds to it. My children are my SIL’s only niece & nephew, and rather than enjoy them or be interested in them, she acts as if they don’t exist. It’s nothing to the kids now, but I wonder what it will mean when they’re old enough to notice.

          • kids

            Oh I know, totally. It was just a tangent I went on when I saw “Facebook” in both posts. Like you said, it’s too bad how FB can add to the hurt.

            I know what you mean about acting like kids don’t exist. It’s almost like you have to make a decision if you are even going to subject kids to relatives like that before they start figuring it out themselves and get hurt : (

    • I understand

      My BIL and his wife give a lot more attention to our nephews than they do to our kids, IMO.  For birthday and Christmas presents, they invite our older nephew to spend the night and do something with them, and when we all went to Disneyland either they or my PILs almost always had at least one of their kids, whereas we only go help from the PILs.  I used to feel similar about my MIL, too.

      I’ve healed things with my MIL, but I think the thing with DH’s brothers will always bother me a bit.

  9. Amusing review

    of the cheese.  I can’t deny that it activates my ick factor, although it’s kind of funny that, with all the disgusting things people eat, this seems so horrifying.

    Just as I expected, the cheese was too sweet and not dense enough.  Breast milk is sweet and watery.

    • Yep

      Somehow I can imagine them serving the cheese, and then everybody eats it, and THEN they spring it on the crowd what they just ate.  

      • That was

        my first thought, too.  And apparently New York health codes had to be hastily rewritten to exclude it.  Which makes sense, I guess–it is a bodily fluid that could potentially pass along illnesses.

        • Hmm

          I just read the actual link.  That’s what he did! Gave it to his wife and didn’t tell her what it was. Apparently she didn’t mind?

          I have the feeling this is another example of chefs mainly wanting the attention rather than feeling that this is truly some delicious foodstuff we should all be eating.

          (And I say that as somebody who breastfed each of my children for well over a year.)

          • Ooops!

            I guess I only skimmed the review.  I missed that part.  I wondered how he gathered up enough breast milk to make cheese without her knowing?  I suppose she must have been pumping and freezing it.  And considering that that is not an easy task, I would be plenty pissed in her shoes about him wasting so much.

  10. Amusing review

    of the cheese.  I can’t deny that it activates my ick factor, although it’s kind of funny that, with all the disgusting things people eat, this seems so horrifying.

    Just as I expected, the cheese was too sweet and not dense enough.  Breast milk is sweet and watery.

    • Yep

      Somehow I can imagine them serving the cheese, and then everybody eats it, and THEN they spring it on the crowd what they just ate.  

      • That was

        my first thought, too.  And apparently New York health codes had to be hastily rewritten to exclude it.  Which makes sense, I guess–it is a bodily fluid that could potentially pass along illnesses.

        • Hmm

          I just read the actual link.  That’s what he did! Gave it to his wife and didn’t tell her what it was. Apparently she didn’t mind?

          I have the feeling this is another example of chefs mainly wanting the attention rather than feeling that this is truly some delicious foodstuff we should all be eating.

          (And I say that as somebody who breastfed each of my children for well over a year.)

          • Ooops!

            I guess I only skimmed the review.  I missed that part.  I wondered how he gathered up enough breast milk to make cheese without her knowing?  I suppose she must have been pumping and freezing it.  And considering that that is not an easy task, I would be plenty pissed in her shoes about him wasting so much.

  11. packet

    Well, I sent the homework packet back half done with a note that said we would try to do more of it over the weekend. If I was a betting man, I’d say I get a phone call from the school today.

    Thanks to everyone who listened to me and helped me hash that out this week : )

    • Oh

      I will look forward to hearing what happens.  Would they really call a parent about that?!  By “the school” do you mean the teacher or somebody else?

        • Keep it up.

          And tell him/her that you have a lot of information from all over the country that says it is extreme and unnecessary for a 6 year old to do that much homework.  

          • info

            Perhaps you should print out the national PTA guidelines on homework and keep them beside the phone so you can read them verbatim.  I’d prefer to read a statement from the NEA but they are wussy and don’t take a solid stance, despite clearly leaning toward the research.  But here’s a nice paragraph from the NEA web page on homework:

            Homework overload is the exception rather than the norm; however, according to research from the Brookings Institution and the Rand Corporation (see the Brown Center 2003 below). Their researchers analyzed data from a variety of sources and concluded that the majority of U.S. students spend less than an hour a day on homework, regardless of grade level, and this has held true for most of the past 50 years. In the last 20 years, homework has increased only in the lower grade levels, and this increase is associated with neutral (and sometimes negative) effects on student achievement.

            • and is it just me, or

              Does it bug the carp out of anybody else that the above paragraph from the NEA website uses a semicolon inappropriately?

              • I read it like 3 times to be sure.

                It started off as such a promising sentence, and then it just ended after the parentheses. I kept re-reading to see if my eye had skipped something and there was more to that sentence, since the part after the semicolon lacked both the subject and predicate. I wanted it to say something like “Homework overload is the exception rather than the norm; however, according to research from the Brookings Institution and the Rand Corporation (see the Brown Center 2003 below), it is nonetheless a serious issue for some students.”

                Please tell me I’m not the only one who has trouble understanding things that are incorrectly punctuated.

                • that’s exactly what I had to do

                  and your analysis is spot-on.  I think someone forgot where s/he was while writing this piece and it just didn’t get picked up by the editor.

              • Yow

                Actually, the whole second part of that sentence is wrong; the semicolon is just the beginning. If I saw that in a paper, there’d be a big, red circle!

              • I find

                I find that disturbing actually (that misplaced semi-colon)

                Is that from the PTA or the NEA?

                What about the sentence that overload is the exception, not the norm? Does that mean most kids aren’t overloaded? I guess that could be true.

                • I assume it’s true

                  If the majority spends less than an hour a day on homework regardless of grade level, then I guess I’d assume most kids aren’t overloaded.  Either that or most kids are ignoring their homework.  

                  Show of hands here, MTers – does anyone else have more than an hour per night of first grade homework?  (Excluding tantrums, lego breaks, long winded reports of recess achievements, and time spent noodging siblings.)

                  • all my kids had

                    in 1st grade was reading each night — no other homework unless they completely goofed off in class and didn’t finish something that they had plenty of classtime to do.

                    And the reading was 20 min per night. Thursday night we’d spend about 10 min studying for the Friday spelling test. That’s it.

                    • Not NJ

                      I really think you’ve got a nutso school district.  A quick google told me that not all of NJ is so crazy.  I only clicked the first link (Westfield; never heard of it):
                      Students should not work more than the recommended time [i.e. 30 minutes for a second grader]. After that time you may write a note on the homework that your child worked for 30 minutes and this is as much as s/he was able to finish.

                    • They have a Trader Joe’s

                      That’s all I know. ;-)

                      It was the only one open in NJ when I lived there. So when I hear “Westfield” the first thing that comes to mind is TJ’s.

                    • westfield

                      I don’t believe them. Westfield is WAY worse than here, in terms of competitiveness.

                    • exactly

                      Your school district appears to be unaware (or unaccepting) of the research that shows excessive homework in the early grades is at best neutral, and at worst linked to lower performance.  Competitive school districts that believe the data will keep homework low, not high, and focused on those areas where homework has been shown to do some good.  In first grade that’s pretty limited.  Our school district has the reputation for being quite the pressure cooker, and my kids homework is very manageable.  

                    • don’t believe them

                      No, you didn’t understand what I wrote.

                      I don’t believe that is the reality in Westfield, regardless of what the Westfield district wrote in their policy. I know people who live there and they suffer just as much as us, if not more. Our policy says 10-30 minutes too. What is written on the policy, and the reality, are often very different.

                    • well

                      If the Westfield families are suffering, it’s by choice.  Because the instructions they are given clearly instruct them not to finish that quantity of homework.  Of course some parents continue to believe that the more drilling they see their kids get, the better the education they must be getting.  So maybe they’re secretly happy about the extra burden.  If so, the teacher is doing her part by keeping the parents happy, since parents who don’t like the extra homework don’t have to do it as per instructions.

                      So far all the teachers I’ve met are on board with keeping homework down.  My elder son’s first grade teacher only assigned homework at all because of parental demand – she didn’t believe in it herself.  But it may be that there is less parental pressure in a college town, even an ultra competitive one, because parents may on average be more inclined to accept academic research.  

  12. packet

    Well, I sent the homework packet back half done with a note that said we would try to do more of it over the weekend. If I was a betting man, I’d say I get a phone call from the school today.

    Thanks to everyone who listened to me and helped me hash that out this week : )

    • Oh

      I will look forward to hearing what happens.  Would they really call a parent about that?!  By “the school” do you mean the teacher or somebody else?

        • Keep it up.

          And tell him/her that you have a lot of information from all over the country that says it is extreme and unnecessary for a 6 year old to do that much homework.  

          • info

            Perhaps you should print out the national PTA guidelines on homework and keep them beside the phone so you can read them verbatim.  I’d prefer to read a statement from the NEA but they are wussy and don’t take a solid stance, despite clearly leaning toward the research.  But here’s a nice paragraph from the NEA web page on homework:

            Homework overload is the exception rather than the norm; however, according to research from the Brookings Institution and the Rand Corporation (see the Brown Center 2003 below). Their researchers analyzed data from a variety of sources and concluded that the majority of U.S. students spend less than an hour a day on homework, regardless of grade level, and this has held true for most of the past 50 years. In the last 20 years, homework has increased only in the lower grade levels, and this increase is associated with neutral (and sometimes negative) effects on student achievement.

            • and is it just me, or

              Does it bug the carp out of anybody else that the above paragraph from the NEA website uses a semicolon inappropriately?

              • I read it like 3 times to be sure.

                It started off as such a promising sentence, and then it just ended after the parentheses. I kept re-reading to see if my eye had skipped something and there was more to that sentence, since the part after the semicolon lacked both the subject and predicate. I wanted it to say something like “Homework overload is the exception rather than the norm; however, according to research from the Brookings Institution and the Rand Corporation (see the Brown Center 2003 below), it is nonetheless a serious issue for some students.”

                Please tell me I’m not the only one who has trouble understanding things that are incorrectly punctuated.

                • that’s exactly what I had to do

                  and your analysis is spot-on.  I think someone forgot where s/he was while writing this piece and it just didn’t get picked up by the editor.

              • Yow

                Actually, the whole second part of that sentence is wrong; the semicolon is just the beginning. If I saw that in a paper, there’d be a big, red circle!

              • I find

                I find that disturbing actually (that misplaced semi-colon)

                Is that from the PTA or the NEA?

                What about the sentence that overload is the exception, not the norm? Does that mean most kids aren’t overloaded? I guess that could be true.

                • I assume it’s true

                  If the majority spends less than an hour a day on homework regardless of grade level, then I guess I’d assume most kids aren’t overloaded.  Either that or most kids are ignoring their homework.  

                  Show of hands here, MTers – does anyone else have more than an hour per night of first grade homework?  (Excluding tantrums, lego breaks, long winded reports of recess achievements, and time spent noodging siblings.)

                  • all my kids had

                    in 1st grade was reading each night — no other homework unless they completely goofed off in class and didn’t finish something that they had plenty of classtime to do.

                    And the reading was 20 min per night. Thursday night we’d spend about 10 min studying for the Friday spelling test. That’s it.

                    • Not NJ

                      I really think you’ve got a nutso school district.  A quick google told me that not all of NJ is so crazy.  I only clicked the first link (Westfield; never heard of it):
                      Students should not work more than the recommended time [i.e. 30 minutes for a second grader]. After that time you may write a note on the homework that your child worked for 30 minutes and this is as much as s/he was able to finish.

                    • They have a Trader Joe’s

                      That’s all I know. ;-)

                      It was the only one open in NJ when I lived there. So when I hear “Westfield” the first thing that comes to mind is TJ’s.

                    • westfield

                      I don’t believe them. Westfield is WAY worse than here, in terms of competitiveness.

                    • exactly

                      Your school district appears to be unaware (or unaccepting) of the research that shows excessive homework in the early grades is at best neutral, and at worst linked to lower performance.  Competitive school districts that believe the data will keep homework low, not high, and focused on those areas where homework has been shown to do some good.  In first grade that’s pretty limited.  Our school district has the reputation for being quite the pressure cooker, and my kids homework is very manageable.  

                    • don’t believe them

                      No, you didn’t understand what I wrote.

                      I don’t believe that is the reality in Westfield, regardless of what the Westfield district wrote in their policy. I know people who live there and they suffer just as much as us, if not more. Our policy says 10-30 minutes too. What is written on the policy, and the reality, are often very different.

                    • well

                      If the Westfield families are suffering, it’s by choice.  Because the instructions they are given clearly instruct them not to finish that quantity of homework.  Of course some parents continue to believe that the more drilling they see their kids get, the better the education they must be getting.  So maybe they’re secretly happy about the extra burden.  If so, the teacher is doing her part by keeping the parents happy, since parents who don’t like the extra homework don’t have to do it as per instructions.

                      So far all the teachers I’ve met are on board with keeping homework down.  My elder son’s first grade teacher only assigned homework at all because of parental demand – she didn’t believe in it herself.  But it may be that there is less parental pressure in a college town, even an ultra competitive one, because parents may on average be more inclined to accept academic research.  

  13. My prayers go out to the Reid family

    breaking anything is hard, but your back can have lasting complications.  Ouch.

    We did a trip to the ER last night, as DH wasn’t able to breathe without being in pain.  Seems he tore his rotator cuff in his sleep a few days ago, and it has been getting worse for a few days.  Percoset and a sling, and they’ve referred him out for a Dr.s appointment.

    Breastmilk cheese is icky…it’s what we called the smell of BF’d baby diapers.  Not appetizing.

    Still have only two students lined up for classes, but I’m working on pulling some other stuff together, especially in the special education aspect (seems no one is serving that niche, yet).  Wish me luck.

  14. My prayers go out to the Reid family

    breaking anything is hard, but your back can have lasting complications.  Ouch.

    We did a trip to the ER last night, as DH wasn’t able to breathe without being in pain.  Seems he tore his rotator cuff in his sleep a few days ago, and it has been getting worse for a few days.  Percoset and a sling, and they’ve referred him out for a Dr.s appointment.

    Breastmilk cheese is icky…it’s what we called the smell of BF’d baby diapers.  Not appetizing.

    Still have only two students lined up for classes, but I’m working on pulling some other stuff together, especially in the special education aspect (seems no one is serving that niche, yet).  Wish me luck.

  15. One more question

    on the mod look for boys.  I couldn’t find any brightly colored pants for Milo (and the girls’ pants all had ruffles), so I’m thinking of black pants, a black collarless shirt, a white, green and purple argyle sweater vest and his green Adidas sneakers.  But I want to keep the sweater vest from looking too Norman Bates.  Thoughts or opinions?

      • Well

        a close mother-son relationship is a beautiful thing, but I’d like Milo to be a little more….how do you say…..less of a creepy murderer.  The question is, is that possible in an argyle sweater vest if you’re not Clinton Kelly or a male model?

        • never would have thought of it, myself.

          I don’t think you need to worry.  If anything, people might think he’s annoying preppie spawn, but not a murderer.

          (And it’s amazing about the bright colored pants–I did some looking yesterday myself, and God, you’re right.  I never thought it would be that difficult.  Boys’ clothing really is depressingly limited, isn’t it?)

          • Boys’ clothes

            They’re more fun than I thought they would be, but the fashion right now seems to have them dressing as mini Spencer Pratt types.  NOT what I’m going for with my boy.  I won’t go so far as to say I’d rather see him a serial killer, but I’d be sorely disappointed if he ended up anything like those socialite guys.  

        • yes

          William has a nice argyle vest and he looks just fine in it – usually work with a turtleneck.  The argyle is just a row across the center, not an all over pattern but I don’ t know if that matters or not.

          • I wish

            I could find a turtleneck.  After an evening of thrift store combing, I came up with nada.  I am just having no luck with my vision.

            • Turtlenecks

              They were impossible to come by this year.  I was on the lookout for them as I did a lot of turtleneck/sweater vest combos when Joey was a toddler.  Up until this year I could find them no problem but the fashion gods must have decided they were out.  The only ones I had were Joey’s hand me downs in Joshie’s wardrobe.  What a pity.  They don’t ride up as much as regular shirts under the vests with busy little boys and look so much more comfortable.

    • Is it totally argyle?

      Or just a pattern on the front? It takes me too long to work through posting a photo, but DS wore a sweater vest for his holiday outfit that had an argyle pattern on the front. It’s on my FB page. His Easter outfit has one as well (gee, guess I like argyle sweater vests!) with seersucker pants.

      But you could always leave the vest out and maybe look for a colorful belt to go with the pop of color on the sneakers. That might give him the neo-hipster vibe you’re looking for.

      • Just a pattern on the front

        I’m going to check out that picture of Gus now.  

        I fear that Milo may not end up looking mod.  But if I ever find a tiny sweater with a British flag on it, we’ll have a do over.

  16. One more question

    on the mod look for boys.  I couldn’t find any brightly colored pants for Milo (and the girls’ pants all had ruffles), so I’m thinking of black pants, a black collarless shirt, a white, green and purple argyle sweater vest and his green Adidas sneakers.  But I want to keep the sweater vest from looking too Norman Bates.  Thoughts or opinions?

      • Well

        a close mother-son relationship is a beautiful thing, but I’d like Milo to be a little more….how do you say…..less of a creepy murderer.  The question is, is that possible in an argyle sweater vest if you’re not Clinton Kelly or a male model?

        • never would have thought of it, myself.

          I don’t think you need to worry.  If anything, people might think he’s annoying preppie spawn, but not a murderer.

          (And it’s amazing about the bright colored pants–I did some looking yesterday myself, and God, you’re right.  I never thought it would be that difficult.  Boys’ clothing really is depressingly limited, isn’t it?)

          • Boys’ clothes

            They’re more fun than I thought they would be, but the fashion right now seems to have them dressing as mini Spencer Pratt types.  NOT what I’m going for with my boy.  I won’t go so far as to say I’d rather see him a serial killer, but I’d be sorely disappointed if he ended up anything like those socialite guys.  

        • yes

          William has a nice argyle vest and he looks just fine in it – usually work with a turtleneck.  The argyle is just a row across the center, not an all over pattern but I don’ t know if that matters or not.

          • I wish

            I could find a turtleneck.  After an evening of thrift store combing, I came up with nada.  I am just having no luck with my vision.

            • Turtlenecks

              They were impossible to come by this year.  I was on the lookout for them as I did a lot of turtleneck/sweater vest combos when Joey was a toddler.  Up until this year I could find them no problem but the fashion gods must have decided they were out.  The only ones I had were Joey’s hand me downs in Joshie’s wardrobe.  What a pity.  They don’t ride up as much as regular shirts under the vests with busy little boys and look so much more comfortable.

    • Is it totally argyle?

      Or just a pattern on the front? It takes me too long to work through posting a photo, but DS wore a sweater vest for his holiday outfit that had an argyle pattern on the front. It’s on my FB page. His Easter outfit has one as well (gee, guess I like argyle sweater vests!) with seersucker pants.

      But you could always leave the vest out and maybe look for a colorful belt to go with the pop of color on the sneakers. That might give him the neo-hipster vibe you’re looking for.

      • Just a pattern on the front

        I’m going to check out that picture of Gus now.  

        I fear that Milo may not end up looking mod.  But if I ever find a tiny sweater with a British flag on it, we’ll have a do over.

  17. Got Bear’s hair cut.

    My blood sister happened to be there. We didn’t speak. It was fine with me. She hasn’t changed much in five years.

  18. Got Bear’s hair cut.

    My blood sister happened to be there. We didn’t speak. It was fine with me. She hasn’t changed much in five years.

  19. What was that fertili-tea …

    ….that some of you were so excited about a couple of months ago? I’m going to see my doctor next week but thought I might try a few natural things, too.  :)

  20. What was that fertili-tea …

    ….that some of you were so excited about a couple of months ago? I’m going to see my doctor next week but thought I might try a few natural things, too.  :)

  21. Dumb question….

    I want to put tv shows on my ipod but my loving husband feels that it’s too expensive to buy them from iTunes.   Is there a site where you can get free tv shows and put them on an ipod?   I want to take it to the gym.    Ideas?  

  22. Dumb question….

    I want to put tv shows on my ipod but my loving husband feels that it’s too expensive to buy them from iTunes.   Is there a site where you can get free tv shows and put them on an ipod?   I want to take it to the gym.    Ideas?  

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